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[Guest guest]

hi all

my name is Hui Hua.

forgot to add my name that's all, was too excited to submit the post.

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Dear Violet and all,

>

> i think we must allow Rodonsky some privacy if he or she chooses.

> Already there is some concern:

>

> " Im assuming no one from my collective comes here. what will they

> think of this? "

>

> There is good reason that there may be repercussions if SYs post here.

> So we should take the necessary steps to mitigate such reactions from

> the SY management. This may not be necessary in future when more SYs

> become free to be their own masters, and join us to declare Shri

> Mataji's message in its entirety. Till then we must protect this

> delicate bud of true Self-realization.

>

> Forum members are assured of strict privacy to protect their

> identity. A number of SYs write to me in private, instead of the

> forum, to protect their identity as they want to continue enjoying

> their collectives. i always edit and delete all evidence of their

> identity when replying to these private emails, unless the sender

> specifically requests not to be posted online.

>

> So i think Rodonsky wants some 'protection'. We should grant that.

>

> To all SYs who wish to express their concerns or voice their dissent,

> here are ways of protecting your identity:

>

> i) use a new ID specifically for this forum;

> ii) write privately to me at www.adishakti.org@...

>

> We are doing nothing wrong by asking difficult questions, questions

> that should have been asked many years ago. At this eleventh hour it

> is abundantly clear that Sahaja Yoga is in dire straits despite Shri

> Mataji's efforts. It is the entrenched internal negativity within the

> SY organization that, without question, has done the most damage.

>

> Shri Mataji has completed Her job and revealed all the evidence of

> Her own divinity and fulfillment of eschatology to trigger the

> critical mass so vital to awaken the seekers and believers to Lord

> Jesus' good news of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. This is the

> very evidence that the negativity is trying so desperately to destroy.

>

> " The work is tremendous. It's not for medium, mediocre people to do

> this job. Frightened, fearful, arrogant, cheeky - they cannot, they

> have no mettle.... Tell all the nations and tell all the people all

> over the Great Message that the Time of Resurrection is here. Now! At

> this time, and that you are capable of doing it. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Cowley Manor Seminar, UK - July 31, 1982

>

>

> " Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it

> to everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about

> it.... You must have that vision before you that I have put many a

> times before you people that you have to emancipate the humanity. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> May 6, 1990 - Rome, Italy

>

>

> " Christ was concerned all the time with the benevolence of the world.

> Christ was knowledge. He knew his goal. He spoke the truth with

> complete courage, intensity and dedication. Sahaja Yogis also have to

> be knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga and speak about Sahaja Yoga with

> courage and dedication without being pretentious. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> 22 April, 1990 - Eastbourne, England

>

>

> " I have to warn all the Sahaja Yogis ... Sahaja Yoga is the Last

> Judgment "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> August 28, 1979 - Shri Kalki Talk, Bombay, India

>

>

> " Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy for

> you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last

> Judgment —which looks such a horrifying experience— has been made

> very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does not disturb

> you. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

>

> " Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is en-

> masse evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga Dharma.

> It is the way the Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to all

> the seekers of truth, to all the nations of the world, so that nobody

> misses the blessings of the Divine to achieve their meaning, their

> absolute, their spirit. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

>

> But the negativity is still so strong that ordinary SYs are advised

> otherwise:

>

> " recently i had joined Orkut n saw many communities spreading msg to

> not visit the adishakti.org site saying stuff like having bad

> vibrations. "

>

> We need SYs with a clear conscience and deep sense of total and

> exclusive commitment to the Comforter and Her ceaseless efforts to

> awaken humanity. Humans must know of the joy, spiritual evolution and

> eternal life that the Last Judgment promises. By following any SY, SY

> management or SY organization like WCASY that tells you not to, you

> are only unwittingly defying Shri Mataji and denying others their

> right to the Good News. i doubt you will be forgiven for deliberately

> deceiving humanity and actively participating against the open

> declaration that Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment.

>

> Thanks Rodonsky for giving me an opportunity to enlighten yet another

> petal of the 1000-leaved Sahasrara. We must protect the identity of

> such conscientious, dissenting voices demanding transparency

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rodonsky,

> >

> > Before i reply to your interesting email, could you please give

> your name. It is nice to at least have a first name to reply to.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> > " rondosky " <rondosky@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everyone jsm

> > > just want to share some of my thoughts. recently in our collective

> > > there r some things going on. for a while our weekly meditation

> > class was getting quite routine with not much interaction n

> engagement with newcomers. so as usual people started to leave. this

> prompted some members to be more initiative to suggest some changes.

> however this was done behind the scenes n some emails to a private

> group(mainly yuvashaktis n some key ppl) were exchanged without

> including the centre leader. well our collective is quite small so i

> was part of this group naturally. some spontaneous suggestions were

> given by the people in this group but somehow it triggered to become

> a hoohah. apparently someone had described the class as 'boring' n

> this word plus some other comments caused a huge reaction in one of

> the key people. n he blasted everyone with a long email with

> irrelevant details n also made it wrong the fact that the centre

> leader was not included in the discussions. well the person was

> someone i thought was a very deep yogi, so was really surprised by

> his sudden outburst. seems like everyone is not what they appear to

> be. this is the first time i'm seeing sth like this happen in our

> collective. such strong reactions to petty things. n what happened

> next was last nite we had a collective gathering to have an informal

> discussion in person rather than thru email. everything was going

> well and little was discussed

> > > abt the incident. at the end of the session i was the one who

> > actually

> > > brought it up with someone, coz i'm the type who likes to know y

> > > things happen so i was just being curious as usual. our

> conversation

> > > was overheard by others n the discussion started to spread. in the

> > end

> > > many others were telling me that i shouldn't have brought the

> > matter

> > > up in the first place. but my thinking was some things should be

> > > clarified n we shud understand how other ppl think in certain

> > > situations. but their thinking was we shouldnt talk about it

> because

> > > it will lead to division between the collective, destroying the

> > > oneness, by argumentations n exerting of ego. ya i agree that i

> > don't

> > > quite have the awareness yet of what to say or do in collectivity

> > but

> > > still i feel there is something wrong. like they r trying to

> ignore

> > > some aspects n keep quiet just to maintain the unity of the

> > > collectivity. just feel that everything is like so fragile. saying

> > > anything wrong or doing anything wrong will lead to undesirable

> > > consequences. like having to be on tip toes all the time. n open

> > > communication seems like criticism. usually i depend on my

> > intuition ,

> > > so many a times i don't really buy 100% what people tell me becoz

> i

> > > feel sth is wrong or missing. now i really feel most yogis will

> just

> > > follow what someone else tells them, especially those from the

> top.

> > > they r afraid of not following protocol. what's with this protocol

> > > anyway? did shri mataji lay it down? recently i had joined Orkut n

> > saw

> > > many communities spreading msg to not visit the adishakti.org site

> > > saying stuff like having bad vibrations. i wonder if ppl actually

> > > check it for themselves,i doubt it, but even if they did they wud

> > > still follow the advice istead of trusting themselves. quite sad.

> Im

> > > assuming no one from my collective comes here. what will they

> think

> > of

> > > this?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Hui Hua and All,

 

Jagbir has brought up a lot of important points, and from Shri Mataji Herself

also. That a Sahaj Meeting was called to address the issues, but then did not

address the issues, but just had everyone settle back in the routine of not

addressing the issues after all, is becoming typical of the way WCASY Managers

manage things. The fact is, they are unable to give honest answers to honest

questions, because of their group's deceit in following Yogi Mahajan instead of

Shri Mataji in the early days of the organisation. A lot of things that Shri

Mataji has said about leaders and all, they have just not taken in, but have

acted like Popes and Pontiffs, and so forth. Their management is as

non-enlightened as the managers of any other religion, which in general is:

 

" Just accept what we say; don't ask questions; and don't rock the boat! "

 

If the majority of Sahaja Yogis in their own collective assumed their spiritual

right that Shri Mataji gave to keep people honest, and not allow them to fall

into dishonesty (and that includes WCASY too), then WCASY Managers would soon

have to face up to their mistakes, and spiritually reform themselves. The

mistakes started when the managers as a group, started following Yogi Mahajan

instead of Shri Mataji. It is a bit like Christians following Paul instead of

Christ, in fact there is a great similarity. That is the crux of the split in

Sahaja Yoga - Mahajites instead of Sahajites! Which is also why they expend so

much energy just to get Sahaja Yogis not to go to www.adishakti.org, because

they are afraid that the Sahaja Yogis might find out the truth about their

deceit there. Of course, if rank and file Sahaja Yogis just accept the WCASY

Word as God's Word, then they are going to also fall into dishonesty.

 

All of the reasons that have been explained by Jagbir and others, is why Sahaja

Yoga organisation is a dishonest organisation. The bottom line is:

 

" Without being able to give honest answers to genuine questions to their Yuva

Shakti, how are the WCASY Managers going to give honest answers to honest

questions, from the world-at-large? "

 

i can assure that the usual suppression of information, and non-answering of

honest questions, won't work there!

 

regards to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

,

" rondosky " <rondosky wrote:

>

> hi all

> my name is Hui Hua.

> forgot to add my name that's all, was too excited to submit the

post.

>

>

> , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Violet and all,

> >

> > i think we must allow Rodonsky some privacy if he or she chooses.

> > Already there is some concern:

> >

> > " Im assuming no one from my collective comes here. what will they

> > think of this? "

> >

> > There is good reason that there may be repercussions if SYs post

here.

> > So we should take the necessary steps to mitigate such reactions

from

> > the SY management. This may not be necessary in future when more

SYs

> > become free to be their own masters, and join us to declare Shri

> > Mataji's message in its entirety. Till then we must protect this

> > delicate bud of true Self-realization.

> >

> > Forum members are assured of strict privacy to protect their

> > identity. A number of SYs write to me in private, instead of the

> > forum, to protect their identity as they want to continue enjoying

> > their collectives. i always edit and delete all evidence of their

> > identity when replying to these private emails, unless the sender

> > specifically requests not to be posted online.

> >

> > So i think Rodonsky wants some 'protection'. We should grant that.

> >

> > To all SYs who wish to express their concerns or voice their

dissent,

> > here are ways of protecting your identity:

> >

> > i) use a new ID specifically for this forum;

> > ii) write privately to me at www.adishakti.org@

> >

> > We are doing nothing wrong by asking difficult questions,

questions

> > that should have been asked many years ago. At this eleventh hour

it

> > is abundantly clear that Sahaja Yoga is in dire straits despite

Shri

> > Mataji's efforts. It is the entrenched internal negativity within

the

> > SY organization that, without question, has done the most damage.

> >

> > Shri Mataji has completed Her job and revealed all the evidence of

> > Her own divinity and fulfillment of eschatology to trigger the

> > critical mass so vital to awaken the seekers and believers to Lord

> > Jesus' good news of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. This is

the

> > very evidence that the negativity is trying so desperately to

destroy.

> >

> > " The work is tremendous. It's not for medium, mediocre people to

do

> > this job. Frightened, fearful, arrogant, cheeky - they cannot,

they

> > have no mettle.... Tell all the nations and tell all the people

all

> > over the Great Message that the Time of Resurrection is here.

Now! At

> > this time, and that you are capable of doing it. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > Cowley Manor Seminar, UK - July 31, 1982

> >

> >

> > " Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling

about it

> > to everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never knew

about

> > it.... You must have that vision before you that I have put many a

> > times before you people that you have to emancipate the humanity. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > May 6, 1990 - Rome, Italy

> >

> >

> > " Christ was concerned all the time with the benevolence of the

world.

> > Christ was knowledge. He knew his goal. He spoke the truth with

> > complete courage, intensity and dedication. Sahaja Yogis also

have to

> > be knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga and speak about Sahaja Yoga

with

> > courage and dedication without being pretentious. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > 22 April, 1990 - Eastbourne, England

> >

> >

> > " I have to warn all the Sahaja Yogis ... Sahaja Yoga is the Last

> > Judgment "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > August 28, 1979 - Shri Kalki Talk, Bombay, India

> >

> >

> > " Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy

for

> > you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last

> > Judgment —which looks such a horrifying experience— has been made

> > very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does not

disturb

> > you. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> >

> > " Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is

en-

> > masse evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga

Dharma.

> > It is the way the Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to

all

> > the seekers of truth, to all the nations of the world, so that

nobody

> > misses the blessings of the Divine to achieve their meaning, their

> > absolute, their spirit. "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> >

> > But the negativity is still so strong that ordinary SYs are

advised

> > otherwise:

> >

> > " recently i had joined Orkut n saw many communities spreading msg

to

> > not visit the adishakti.org site saying stuff like having bad

> > vibrations. "

> >

> > We need SYs with a clear conscience and deep sense of total and

> > exclusive commitment to the Comforter and Her ceaseless efforts to

> > awaken humanity. Humans must know of the joy, spiritual evolution

and

> > eternal life that the Last Judgment promises. By following any

SY, SY

> > management or SY organization like WCASY that tells you not to,

you

> > are only unwittingly defying Shri Mataji and denying others their

> > right to the Good News. i doubt you will be forgiven for

deliberately

> > deceiving humanity and actively participating against the open

> > declaration that Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment.

> >

> > Thanks Rodonsky for giving me an opportunity to enlighten yet

another

> > petal of the 1000-leaved Sahasrara. We must protect the identity

of

> > such conscientious, dissenting voices demanding transparency

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

> > <violet.tubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rodonsky,

> > >

> > > Before i reply to your interesting email, could you please give

> > your name. It is nice to at least have a first name to reply to.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " rondosky " <rondosky@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone jsm

> > > > just want to share some of my thoughts. recently in our

collective

> > > > there r some things going on. for a while our weekly

meditation

> > > class was getting quite routine with not much interaction n

> > engagement with newcomers. so as usual people started to leave.

this

> > prompted some members to be more initiative to suggest some

changes.

> > however this was done behind the scenes n some emails to a

private

> > group(mainly yuvashaktis n some key ppl) were exchanged without

> > including the centre leader. well our collective is quite small

so i

> > was part of this group naturally. some spontaneous suggestions

were

> > given by the people in this group but somehow it triggered to

become

> > a hoohah. apparently someone had described the class as 'boring'

n

> > this word plus some other comments caused a huge reaction in one

of

> > the key people. n he blasted everyone with a long email with

> > irrelevant details n also made it wrong the fact that the centre

> > leader was not included in the discussions. well the person was

> > someone i thought was a very deep yogi, so was really surprised

by

> > his sudden outburst. seems like everyone is not what they appear

to

> > be. this is the first time i'm seeing sth like this happen in our

> > collective. such strong reactions to petty things. n what

happened

> > next was last nite we had a collective gathering to have an

informal

> > discussion in person rather than thru email. everything was going

> > well and little was discussed

> > > > abt the incident. at the end of the session i was the one who

> > > actually

> > > > brought it up with someone, coz i'm the type who likes to

know y

> > > > things happen so i was just being curious as usual. our

> > conversation

> > > > was overheard by others n the discussion started to spread.

in the

> > > end

> > > > many others were telling me that i shouldn't have brought the

> > > matter

> > > > up in the first place. but my thinking was some things should

be

> > > > clarified n we shud understand how other ppl think in certain

> > > > situations. but their thinking was we shouldnt talk about it

> > because

> > > > it will lead to division between the collective, destroying

the

> > > > oneness, by argumentations n exerting of ego. ya i agree that

i

> > > don't

> > > > quite have the awareness yet of what to say or do in

collectivity

> > > but

> > > > still i feel there is something wrong. like they r trying to

> > ignore

> > > > some aspects n keep quiet just to maintain the unity of the

> > > > collectivity. just feel that everything is like so fragile.

saying

> > > > anything wrong or doing anything wrong will lead to

undesirable

> > > > consequences. like having to be on tip toes all the time. n

open

> > > > communication seems like criticism. usually i depend on my

> > > intuition ,

> > > > so many a times i don't really buy 100% what people tell me

becoz

> > i

> > > > feel sth is wrong or missing. now i really feel most yogis

will

> > just

> > > > follow what someone else tells them, especially those from the

> > top.

> > > > they r afraid of not following protocol. what's with this

protocol

> > > > anyway? did shri mataji lay it down? recently i had joined

Orkut n

> > > saw

> > > > many communities spreading msg to not visit the adishakti.org

site

> > > > saying stuff like having bad vibrations. i wonder if ppl

actually

> > > > check it for themselves,i doubt it, but even if they did they

wud

> > > > still follow the advice istead of trusting themselves. quite

sad.

> > Im

> > > > assuming no one from my collective comes here. what will they

> > think

> > > of

> > > > this?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>