I'm quite sick of Sahaja Yoga - teachings, bhoots, negativity, shady dealings ...

February 6, 2008

Feb 6, 2008 12:49 AM

Jagbir,

How are you? It has been some time. I'll be brief.

I was wondering if there was a book called " The Koran

Enlightened " . I recall seeing that name somewhere but

when I searched books by Dan Costain, all i came up

with is the Bible Enlightened.

I'm quite sick of Sahaja Yoga as far as the teachings

of the organization, the worry about bhoots and

negativity, the ritualism, the behind the back shady

dealings of local councils and the lack of teaching of

any holy books or things of that nature in my life and

journey, and I feel i am finally ready to read these

type of books and really get into the truth of it all

through understanding of Shri Mataji's teachings on

these subjects. If you could help me that would be

great.

Any other books on buddha's teachings or any others

you are familiar with that are more or less correct,

please let me know as well.

Thanks so much

Xxxxxxxxx

February 8, 2008

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Feb 6, 2008 12:49 AM

>

> Jagbir,

>

> How are you? It has been some time. I'll be brief.

>

> I was wondering if there was a book called " The Koran

> Enlightened " . I recall seeing that name somewhere but

> when I searched books by Dan Costain, all i came up

> with is the Bible Enlightened.

>

> I'm quite sick of Sahaja Yoga as far as the teachings

> of the organization, the worry about bhoots and

> negativity, the ritualism, the behind the back shady

> dealings of local councils and the lack of teaching of

> any holy books or things of that nature in my life and

> journey, and I feel i am finally ready to read these

> type of books and really get into the truth of it all

> through understanding of Shri Mataji's teachings on

> these subjects. If you could help me that would be

> great.

>

> Any other books on buddha's teachings or any others

> you are familiar with that are more or less correct,

> please let me know as well.

>

> Thanks so much

>

> Xxxxxxxxx

>

Hi everyone jsm

just want to share some of my thoughts.

recently in our collective there r some things going on. for a while

our weekly meditation class was getting quite routine with not much

interaction n engagement with newcomers. so as usual people started

to leave. this prompted some members to be more initiative to suggest

some changes.

however this was done behind the scenes n some emails to a private

group(mainly yuvashaktis n some key ppl) were exchanged without

including the centre leader. well our collective is quite small so i

was part of this group naturally. some spontaneous suggestions were

given by the people in this group but somehow it triggered to become

a hoohah.

apparently someone had described the class as 'boring' n this word

plus some other comments caused a huge reaction in one of the key

people. n he blasted everyone with a long email with irrelevant

details n also made it wrong the fact that the centre leader was not

included in the discussions.

well the person was someone i thought was a very deep yogi, so was

really surprised by his sudden outburst. seems like everyone is not

what they appear to be. this is the first time i'm seeing sth like

this happen in our collective. such strong reactions to petty things.

n what happened next was last nite we had a collective gathering to

have an informal discussion in person rather than thru email.

everything was going well and little was discussed abt the incident.

at the end of the session i was the one who actually brought it up

with someone, coz i'm the type who likes to know y things happen so i

was just being curious as usual.

our conversation was overheard by others n the discussion started to

spread. in the end many others were telling me that i shouldn't have

brought the matter up in the first place. but my thinking was some

things should be clarified n we shud understand how other ppl think

in certain situations.

but their thinking was we shouldnt talk about it because it will lead

to division between the collective, destroying the oneness, by

argumentations n exerting of ego. ya i agree that i don't quite have

the awareness yet of what to say or do in collectivity but still i

feel there is something wrong. like they r trying to ignore some

aspects n keep quiet just to maintain the unity of the collectivity.

just feel that everything is like so fragile. saying anything wrong

or doing anything wrong will lead to undesirable consequences. like

having to be on tip toes all the time. n open communication seems

like criticism.

usually i depend on my intuition, so many a times i don't really buy

100% what people tell me becoz i feel sth is wrong or missing. now i

really feel most yogis will just follow what someone else tells them,

especially those from the top. they r afraid of not following

protocol.

what's with this protocol anyway? did shri mataji lay it down?

recently i had joined Orkut n saw many communities spreading msg to

not visit the adishakti.org site saying stuff like having bad

vibrations. i wonder if ppl actually check it for themselves,i doubt

it, but even if they did they wud still follow the advice istead of

trusting themselves. quite sad. Im assuming no one from my collective

comes here. what will they think of this?

Hui Hua

Dear Xxxxxxxxx and Hui Hua,

i think both of your 'problems' are related and is symptomatic of the

chronic disease afflicting the minds of most SYSSR Sahaja Yogis. It

is, of course, much worse than your posts reflect. And since our main

aim is self-realization, anything that affects the 1000-Petalled

Lotus daily seriously retards genuine spiritual growth.

To be brutally honest, it is a mental epidemic that can only get

progressively worse the longer you practise the Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion i.e, listen to the ceaseless chatter of catches

and fear the indoctrinated fear that pervades all collectives. In

short, the Divine Lake of your mind is constantly churned and clouded

by the collective current of doubt, guilt, and fear. You will never

be your own master and guide. Never!!!

There is no book, mantra, diet, idol, penance, scripture, place of

worship, pilgrimage, spa, holy water, ointment, bracelet or eclipse i

can ever recommend. Other than Silence on Self there is absolutely no

way to heal and nourish the mind for the life-long task of Self-

realization and spiritual liberation (eternal life as the spirit).

All the chillies, lemons, ghee, ajwan, candles, strings, matka pots,

shoe-beatings, mantras and incense used by SYs for the last three

decades cannot give Self-realization to even a single soul .........

far less liberate, even if repeated for the next thousand rebirths.

And how does one grasp, understand and have deep faith on why and how

to attain Silence on Self? All the websites and forum topics are

aimed towards that realization. The latest posted by Violet is

testimony of the wide range of consciousness explicitly required for

grasping and attaining Silence on Self:

/message/9010

Main Entry: con·scious·ness

1 a: the quality or state of being aware especially of something

within oneself b: the state or fact of being conscious of an external

object, state, or fact c: awareness; especially : concern for some

social or political cause

2: the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition,

and thought : mind

3: the totality of conscious states of an individual

4: the normal state of conscious life <regained consciousness>

5: the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as

contrasted with unconscious processes

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

follow the SYSSR at your assured spiritual demise,

jagbir

February 12, 2008

>

> follow the SYSSR at your assured spiritual demise,

>

> jagbir

>

" In the Bhagavad Gita the mind is likened to the flame of a lamp and,

remembering the time at which this classic was written, it is no

doubt an oil lamp which the author had in mind. Like a flickering

flame, the thoughts of the irresolute, those who have not controlled

and restrained their minds, are said to be many-branched and endless.

In other words the flame flickers, caught in every draught of wind

raised by the roving senses. In this flickering light one cannot

see clearly. It is only in a steady bright light, with undistracted

gaze, that one really begins to see clearly what is there. In the

same way, say the yogis, two things are necessary in preparing the

mind for meditation. Firstly the quality of the mind-stuff, which is

to say its thought content, has to be refined and purified. The wick

must be clean and trimmed, the oil pure. Otherwise the flame is smoky

and dim and the lamp becomes blackened by deposits of soot. And,

secondly, the mind must be brought under control and focused, like

the flame of a lamp in a windless spot. Then it provides what the

Gita calls steady knowledge, 'stitha-prajna'. "

Freedom through Self-Realisation

A.M. Halliday

A Shanti Sadan Publication - London

ISBN 0-85424-040-3

Pgs. 206 (?)*

(Can we have the correct page Violet? Thanks.)