There's a Big Hole in a few Buckets!

March 3, 2008

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

> Please read it to judge for yourself how fearful and ignorant WCASY

> members still are till today. Despite loudly claiming (in private)

> that the Adi Shakti is All-powerful, All-protective, All-this, All-

> that, All-..., All-...., none have acquired the same valor, courage

> and conscience absolutely required of those claiming to be

> (blasphemy of blasphemies) representatives of Her Will.

Dear Jagbir and All,

Jagbir, your correspondence with Majid (which i have appended for forum readers'

convenience) is evidence that if you are telling the truth, nobody can logically

refute what you say. They may not agree with what you say, but they can't refute

it, if it is the truth. This is because the truth is un-refutable and anyone

that tries to refute the un-refutable truth, always comes out looking rather

sheepish. This is what has happened with all of Majid's illusory concerns, with

which he plied you. You addressed each one, showing that Majid's concerns were

of his own mind, an illusion, and not based upon the truth, by any means!

i recall that as school-children, we sometimes sang this hilariously silly song,

but it is not so silly when you see the logic behind it. The song reminds me of

some SYS like Majid, who see problems in everything, and go round and round

trying to find solutions, thinking they are getting somewhere, but in the end,

they come back to the very same problem that they started out with! (The fact of

the matter is, they, themselves, are the obstacle to the solution of their

problem!) Which is clearly shown in this song about the bucket that has a hole

in it, titled: " There's a Hole In The Bucket " . (i know the title of this song

sounds very basic, but getting back to basics is sometimes necessary, as you

shall soon see!):

The song starts out with Henry telling Liza that there is a hole in their

bucket, with which they need to fetch water. Liza tells Henry to fix it, of

course! Henry asks Liza what he can fix it with? Liza tells him to fix it with

straw! But the straw is too long, says Henry, what shall i do now? The logical

thing is of course to cut the straw, which Liza tells him to do! Relying on Liza

for all his answers and not being able to think for himself, Henry asks what

shall i cut it with? The axe, Liza tells him. But the axe is as dull as poor

Henry's brain, so he asks Liza what to sharpen the axe with? A stone, of course,

says Liza! But the stone is dry, says Henry! Well then wet it, says Liza! With

what, asks Henry? With water of course, says Liza. But how to get the water?

With the bucket says Liza! But there's a hole in the bucket!!!

There's a Hole in the Bucket - (submitted by Robert Midyett)

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, there's a hole.

Then fix it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then fix it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, fix it.

With what shall I fix it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I fix it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With a straw, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With a straw, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, with a straw.

But the straw is too long,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

But the straw is too long,

Dear Liza, too long.

Then cut it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then cut it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, cut it.

With what shall I cut it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I cut it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With an axe, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With an axe, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, an axe.

The axe is too dull,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

The axe is too dull,

Dear Liza, too dull.

Then sharpen it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then sharpen it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, sharpen it.

With what shall I sharpen it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I sharpen it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With a stone, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With a stone, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, a stone.

The stone is too dry,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

The stone is too dry,

Dear Liza, too dry

Then wet it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then wet it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, wet it.

With what shall I wet it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I wet it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With water, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With water, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, with water.

How shall I get it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza,

How shall I get it,

Dear Liza, how shall I?

In the bucket, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

In the bucket, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, in the bucket.

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, there's a hole.

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/bus.html#top

The intro comments to the above song (plus others) says that:

" This page contains lyrics to some of those wacky songs we sang as students on

school bus trips back in the 1970's. A few are those remembered from my days at

Farmington High School in Minnesota (Go Tigers!), and the rest were submitted by

other teachers and visitors to this site. "

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/bus.html#top

But Majid's 'holes in the bucket' are probably a reflection of the holes in the

bucket of the 'WACKASYS' or the 'WACK-A-SYS' (Choose whichever you prefer!) The

'WACKASYS' are those SYS who like to 'WACK' other SYS over the head with their

Pet Spiritual Theories. One of their Pet Spiritual Theories, which their

'Shiva-In-Waiting' pronounced upon them, is that the 'WACKASYS' are the 'New

Will of Shri Mataji' (although Shri Mataji is clearly seen to have 'resumed Her

Will now!) But they were deadly serious about that then, and any SY who

seriously questioned that Pet Spiritual Theory of Willship, knew they would get

seriously 'WACKED' over the head, if they did not believe and obey! i believe

some SYS even did get 'WACKED'! It's a very serious game that they played. But

here is what Shri Mataji says about just such kind of 'WACKASYSHIP':

" I have seen in all the rituals people follow, in all the so-called religious

people, they are too serious to be religious! A religious person is bubbling

with laughter! He does not know how to hide his joy and he does not know how to

control his laughter, when he sees people unnecessarily serious! I mean, nobody

is dead! The way people say it sometimes, you just don't know what to do with

yourself. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - The Message of Christ and the Inherent

Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Caxton Hall, London, England - 10

December, 1979)

But getting a bit more serious myself, LOL!, have you like myself ever wondered

why Shri Mataji didn't say something openly and bluntly regarding the words

and/or actions of WCASY members, for example? For the first time, i have come

across Her satisfactory answer to that. In 1979, at Caxton Hall in London,

England, Shri Mataji said that She will not " bluntly " let a person know if She

finds them " lying " (which is being deceitful in words and/or actions). Shri

Mataji's reason being, that if the Sahaja Yogi is already on 'spiritually

slippery ground' and then knows that Shri Mataji knows they have lied, then this

knowledge could emotionally destroy them, and they will be finished. Shri Mataji

says that, instead, She says things in a more subtle way, and even then the SY

may know that She knows, but She can't help that. Which is why i also think many

WCASY members are not so confident anymore, because surely they must sense that

something is not quite right with what they are doing?! Here is how Shri Mataji

says it in Her own words:

" If they by any chance know that I have found out that they are lying, then they

are finished. I must keep their falsehood to me. You see I am very careful

because I know they are on a very slippery ground. So even if I mention in a way

that is not so blunt still it might happen. But one must know that it is for our

good, that we have to stick on to our truth. And we should not be led away by

our own ideas about ourselves. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - The Message of

Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Caxton Hall,

London, 10 December 1979)

Appended is Majid's correspondence to Jagbir and Jagbir's reply. Jagbir has told

Majid the truth, but Majid has not replied to Jagbir to this day, but remains

silent. As Jagbir is fond of telling us, truth has a way to silence all

objections raised.

regards to all,

violet

Never heard again from WCASY # 8 Majid Golpour since April 30, 2002

Majid Golpour

jagbir singh

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:02 AM

Re: Majid Golpour

Jai Shri Mataji

Dear Jagbir,

I am very happy to hear back from you following my own message to you! I am a

Sahaja Yogi, named by Shri Mataji as French leader, and since 7 years I'm also

responsable for SY in Iran.

If you don't mind I have a couple of questions for you after having seen your

site:

What is your connection with Sahaja Yoga in general and how much do you

contribute to the content and build of the Al-Quiammat site? Was this site

discussed with Shri Mataji before launching it?

The subject dealt with is very delicate, particularly with reference to the name

of Shri Mataji, and to do this without Her permission could be against protocol.

I could be mistaken on this, but as I don't believe that I have had the pleasure

of speaking with you regarding the way we Sahaja Yogis should be helping pass

the message of SY to the Muslim community, I am only making presumptions.

You may be aware that a group of yogis of Muslim origin have been working for a

number of years to transmit our Divine Mother's message to Muslims across many

countries -- such as Iran, India, Algeria, Pakistan, UAE, Turkey, Malaysia,

Ivory Coast and Benin, as well as the migrant populations in Europe and the

States etc... For this reason, it is a little surprising to see a site dedicated

to this subject without consultation with the concerned yogis from these Muslim

communities.

Of course, I am in no way questioning your good intentions, but I do feel that

the tone of certain documents found on your site could cause concern. Please

could you let me know about yourself and your aims with this site so that we can

perhaps broaden the input in a more collective manner thereby reducing the

possible risks associated with an excess of sensitive and perhaps provocatory

information for those not yet realised.

Looking forward to hearing back from you soon,

Best regards,

Majid Golpour

Dear Majid Golpour,

Jai Shri Mataji!

Greetings.

Before we proceed myself would like to let you know that a copy of this email is

also being forwarded to Dr. Balwinder Singh -- my brother, fellow Sahaja Yogi

and an ENT specialist attached to the Putrajaya Hospital in Malaysia -- who will

bear witness to all that is discussed in this email. I have taken this approach

because after years of contention, disbelieve and apprehension among Sahaja

Yogis, especially those senior or 'in charge' of spreading Shri Mataji's

Message, I want this matter to finally rest. Thus, having my brother as a highly

educated third-party witness will help confirm all that I am going to say to

defend myself, hopefully for the last time.

1) What is your connection with Sahaja Yoga in general?

My connection with Sahaja Yoga is that from 1993-1999 three of my children went

daily into their own Sahasraras during meditation, met Shri Mataji and all the

messengers of God Almighty, and informed me what was taking place. For 5 years

with(out) fail they met Shri Mataji daily. They also answered hundreds of my

questions about the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God), directly from Shri Mataji, as

and when necessary. This is the only reason myself surrendered to the Truth that

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Divine Mother who come to announce and initiate

the Resurrection and Last Judgment.

You must be assured that if not for my children I would never have joined Sahaja

Yoga because not only do they provide no proof that She is the Adi Shakti, but

are even afraid to declare that it is the time of The Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah)

and Last Judgment.

2) and how much do you contribute to the content and build of the Al- Quiammat

site?

You must know that myself have written a 2,200 page book, Shri Adi Shakti: The

Kingdom Of God, based on all that was revealed by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Shri

Jesus, Prophet Muhammad, Shri Krishna, Shri Vishnu, Shri Ganesha, Guru Nanak and

others. This book was presented to Shri Mataji in Cabella in the fall of 1999

and She was extremely pleased with it. However it just needs some minor editing

by Shri Mataji, and will then be published for the general public in four parts.

If Shri Mataji has already read and approved the book for the public, which

includes the chapter on Al-Qiyamah, then there should be no need for concern.

Thus the question of whether it has been discussed with Shri Mataji does not

arise because www.al-qiyamah.org reaches the Muslim nations in ways that is not

otherwise possible. The book will probably be banned by Islamic nations who view

Al- Qiyamah as Doomsday. The only alternative is the internet and that is why

the www.al-qiyamah.org website was set up. In fact the internet is a much better

conduit for spreading Shri Mataji's Message as it can be constantly updated with

relevant and fresh information, something that a book format severely lacks.

The entire www.al-qiyamah.org is done by me. It must be mentioned here that the

Qur'an specifies Allah's Signs of Qiyamah, which have all been taken place

precisely as written. I bear witness to these Signs and will stand by them even

on pain of death, but please do not fault me for being the bearer.

3) The subject dealt with is very delicate, particularly with reference to the

name of Shri Mataji, and to do this without Her permission could be against

protocol.

Majid Golpour, you are not the first person to question me about using Shri

Mataji's name and about protocol, and neither will be the last. If Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi is the Adi Shakti, something which you also uphold, then how does

the question of protocol arise? Why must I need Her permission to announce that

She is the Adi Shakti, or that it is the time of Qiyamah or that it is the Last

Judgment? Protocol has nothing to do with announcing the Truth, especially if

one wants to do so with any fear. Who will set the rules and regulations after

She leaves? Will Sahaja Yoga turn into an organized movement in future, with

those in charge setting rules, and punishment for breaking them? When will

Sahaja Yogis be free to declare and announce the Adi Shakti, Qiyamah and Last

Judgment openly, especially when senior Sahaja Yogis and those in charge cannot,

or do not want to do so, openly? Why are we so apprehensive of the Truth? Why

must hypocritical double standards be forced on others, with 'protocol' used as

a tool to silence and subdue those who want the world to know that the Adi

Shakti is on Earth announcing the Resurrection and Last Judgment?

Out of the thousands of Muslim visitors to the al-qiyamah site, only three had

some disagreements. On the contrary, there are now a number of Islamic sites

that have hosted www.al-qiyamah.org on their servers. Why are they supporting

this website? It is thus surprising and disheartening that fellow Sahaja Yogis

are so afraid of 'offending' fellow Muslims. What is there to offend Muslims

when the Qur'an is specifically used as proof? (In the past Sahaja Yogis feared

that the www.adishakti.org site would bring about a massive western media

attack. Two years have passed and nothing has happened.) Why are we Sahaja Yogis

so fearful of telling the world what She has told us? Has this policy of holding

back information helped in any way -- bring more seekers, pacified anti-sahaja

yoga sites etc?

4) a little surprising to see a site dedicated to this subject without

consultation with the concerned yogis from these Muslim communities.

Myself have had no idea that it was necessary to consult fellow yogis. In fact I

did not even know that there was a Muslim group working to spread Sahaja Yoga to

Muslim countries. (I was in Malaysia last year and there was no such group

there). I have never questioned any Sahaja Yogi/Yogini on how he or she spreads

Sahaja Yoga. Neither did anyone inform me that there were specific groups or

committees whose permission was required to spread Sahaja Yoga, especially

'sensitive information'. Myself have never heard Shri Mataji saying that

declaring She is the Adi Shakti, that it is the Last Judgment, the Time of

Qiyamah, must be approved by certain yogis. This is something new to me, despite

years in Sahaja Yoga.

5) tone of certain documents found on your site could cause concern.

Please let me know which are the documents and myself am willing to look into

them.

6) we can perhaps broaden the input in a more collective manner thereby reducing

the possible risks associated with an excess of sensitive and perhaps

provocatory information for those not yet realised.

The Adi Shakti, Resurrection and Last Judgment are not provocative information.

We cannot wait for humans to be realized before telling them the Truth. It has

not worked in the past. Tell them the Truth first and they may seek

Self-realization on their own.

Again I would like to state that myself am willing to work with anyone to spread

the Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I agree that at times the tone of my

language is strong but so is my utter disgust and disdain for religious

organizations manipulating and distorting the Truth. The fact that it is

Resurrection Time only makes me all the more forthright in denouncing them.

Anything less would render me a coward and hypocrite. After all Allah (SWT)

compels you, as one of His many messengers of Al-Qiyamah, to announce the

Resurrection without fear and uphold the Qur'an as proof His Warning! May you

have the conviction and fearlessness to do so.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir

[Remarks by Jagbir re Muslims in general and Majid's letter]:

" According to Wikipedia " followers of Islam, known as Muslims, believe that God

(or, in Arabic, Allâh; also in Aramaic Alaha) revealed his direct word for

mankind to Muhammad (c. 570–632) and other prophets, including Adam, Noah,

Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last or the seal

of the Prophets. Thus, his preachings for humankind will last until qiyamah (The

Day of the Resurrection). Muslims assert that the main written record of

revelation to humankind is the Qur'an (see below), which they believe to be

flawless, immutable, and the final revelation of God to humanity. Muslims

believe that parts of the Gospels, Torah and Jewish prophetic books (though

originally divine in their nature) have been forgotten, misinterpreted,

incorrectly edited by humans, or distorted by their followers and thus their

original message has been corrupted over time. With that perspective, Muslims

view the Qur'an as a correction of Jewish and Christian scriptures, and a final

revelation.

Muslims hold that Islam is essentially the same belief as that of all the

messengers sent by God to mankind since Adam, with the Qur'ân (the one

definitive text of the Muslim faith) codifying the final revelation of God.

Islamic texts depict Judaism and Christianity as derivations of the teachings of

the prophet Abraham and thus acknowledges their Abrahamic roots, whilst the

Qur'an calls Jews and Christians (and sometimes people of other faiths) " People

of the Book. ...

Most Muslims regard paper copies of the Qur'an with extreme veneration, wrapping

them in a clean cloth, keeping them on a high shelf, and washing as for prayers

before reading the Qur'an. Old Qur'ans are not destroyed as wastepaper, but

burned or deposited in Qur'an graveyards.

Most Muslims memorize at least some portion of the Qur'an in the original

language. Those who have memorized the entire Qur'an are known as hafiz. This is

not a rare achievement; it is believed that there are millions of hafiz alive

today. " (End)

i know for a fact that Muslims take immense pride in their great faith that

springs forth from the Qur'an. Many of them are prepared to willingly die for

its cause and will go to great length to announce their beliefs.

But in Sahaja Yoga even Muslims like Majid Golpour gradually lose the formidable

strength of their faith, and succumb to the corruption of the Truth. Perhaps

such corruption, caution and cowardice to state the Truth is required for

council member seats. Maybe WCASY should seek a second opinion as to what Shri

Mataji was telling SYs to do nearly 25 years ago:

" Now you can announce the Truth, that you are realized souls, that you have felt

this Divine power which is prevailing everywhere; that you can give realisation

to others and know that, by your accepting the Truth, you are not adding

anything to the Truth, but are adorning yourself. One requires courage to enjoy

the Truth. Sometimes people may mock at you, laugh at you, and persecute you

also, but that should not be any worry to you because your relationship is with

the statutes, with the Grace of God. When that is your connection, you should

not worry about other people and what they have to say about it. You have to

stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth, and talk to people and people will

know that you have found it. "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (1981-09, Enjoy the Truth)

i believe Sahaja Yoga is the only spiritual/religious organization that

officially endorses dishonesty and where the management condones action against

those who demand full disclosure. It is when Muslim SYs start succumbing to

organized and collective deception that the limit has been reached. It cannot

get any worse than Muslims becoming afraid of being His messengers who must

announce the Great Event ordained for humanity. The Qur'an compels the believers

of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah to do so without fear or favour, just as

Shri Mataji has done for more than three decades. Yet, despite all Her efforts,

Muslim leaders like Majid Golpour are still as afraid and apprehensive. This

contagious disease has spread and severely wasted the collective body of the

rank and file to spread Her Message to humanity. It seems they will never do

so. "

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/never_heard_again_from_WCASY_majid_golpour_1-12-2\

002.htm

> Dear believers of the Resurrection,

>

> i have added a link to " religious fanatics endangering Shri Mataji "

> at the http://adishakti.org/ site.

>

> " Advent and Divine Message of Shri Mataji remains suppressed

>

> This plea from Alex that Sahaja Yogis at least truthfully proclaim

> the true identity of Shri Mataji fell of deaf ears. This being the

> case, the far more explosive Divine Message to humanity obviously

> did not stand any chance of approval and remains vigorously

> suppressed. Today it is almost forgotten and erased from collective

> memory, replaced by this official claim that " Sahaja Yoga is a

> unique method of meditation based on an experience called Self

> Realization (Kundalini awakening) that can occur within each human

> being " . This is mainly about the subtle system - chakras, nadis,

> kundalini, treatments and other petty rituals - that has little to

> do with the Divine Message of the Bible and Qur'an to be delivered

> by the Adi Shakti. Till today most Sahaja Yogis and WCASY (World

> Council For The Advancement Of Sahaja Yoga) remain opposed to

> this site. Not only do they consider the children to be possessed

> by evil but they also fear any claim that Shri Mataji is the

> incarnation of the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message

> will cause a public backlash and media attack against Shri Mataji.

> Another dubious excuse is of religious fanatics endangering Shri

> Mataji despite Her assurance that no harm will come to them or Her

> for speaking the truth.

>

> http://www.adishakti.org/ "

>

> Please read it to judge for yourself how fearful and ignorant WCASY

> members still are till today. Despite loudly claiming (in private)

> that the Adi Shakti is All-powerful, All-protective, All-this, All-

> that, All-..., All-...., none have acquired the same valor, courage

> and conscience absolutely required of those claiming to be

> (blasphemy of blasphemies) representatives of Her Will.

>

> All of you can see for yourself how this WCASY mindset has

> collectively paralyzed Sahaja Yoga, perhaps permanently. The same

> fear and ignorance is continuously projected onto the rank and file,

> using the so-called 'protocols' to silence anyone with dissenting

> views. It is only their edited version of Shri Mataji's message

> that is halal, to the exclusion of all. Anyone violating this rule

> is labeled " negative " , " right-sided " , " egoistic " , " non-SY " , etc.

> Not only that, but you will realize that their usual defence is as

> believable as their historic claim to be representatives of Her

> Will:

>

> " they also fear any claim that Shri Mataji is the incarnation of

> the Adi Shakti sent to deliver the Divine Message will cause a

> public backlash and media attack against Shri Mataji. Another

> dubious excuse is of religious fanatics endangering Shri Mataji

> despite Her assurance that no harm will come to them or Her for

> speaking the truth. "

>

> They are only projecting their own fears on you folks! There is

> just no basis for such a display of cowardice, dishonesty and

> deceit. How can such people sleep at night? Don't they have a

> conscience, a sense of duty to fellow human beings? Why are so many

> in denial?

>

> But everything is going in the right direction for www.adishakti.org

> and related sites. Despite all the efforts of WCASY against these

> sites, the numbers have never been better. 2008 has got off to a

> great start and i am sure things will get better over the years.

>

> i have to admit that the forum articles linked to the scriptures and

> eschatology have played a crucial role in this upsurge. These

> strategically placed faith-instilling clusters of knowledge around

> profound topics such as " Comforter " , " Self " , " born of the spirit " ,

> " cool breeze " , " Last Judgment " , " Resurrection " , " Adi Shakti " etc.,

> are, at last, giving seekers the vision of Shri Mataji's Blossom

> Time. The very topics that WCASY insists is off-limits to the

> general public is driving seekers to www.adishakti.org. What more

> can i say?

>

> So be comforted that even though the Advent and Divine Message of

> Shri Mataji remains suppressed officially, these websites and forum

> have offset them. i can feel the tide turning against this

> negativity that has silenced so many for so long. Without question,

> the future is www.adishakti.org and its related sites. Without

> question, the future is the promised Blossom Time! Without

> question, the future is the Comforter and Her Divine Message!

> Without question, the future is the plain Truth!

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

March 5, 2008

CAN'T YOU ,JAGBIR AND VIOLET, MAINTAIN " SILENCE ON SELF " IN ABUSING YOUR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS AS IF YOU PEOPLE ARE ALIENS IN SY WORLD.On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:04 AM, Violet <violetubb wrote:

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

> Please read it to judge for yourself how fearful and ignorant WCASY

> members still are till today. Despite loudly claiming (in private)

> that the Adi Shakti is All-powerful, All-protective, All-this, All-

> that, All-..., All-...., none have acquired the same valor, courage

> and conscience absolutely required of those claiming to be

> (blasphemy of blasphemies) representatives of Her Will.

Dear Jagbir and All,

Jagbir, your correspondence with Majid (which i have appended for forum readers' convenience) is evidence that if you are telling the truth, nobody can logically refute what you say. They may not agree with what you say, but they can't refute it, if it is the truth. This is because the truth is un-refutable and anyone that tries to refute the un-refutable truth, always comes out looking rather sheepish. This is what has happened with all of Majid's illusory concerns, with which he plied you. You addressed each one, showing that Majid's concerns were of his own mind, an illusion, and not based upon the truth, by any means!

i recall that as school-children, we sometimes sang this hilariously silly song, but it is not so silly when you see the logic behind it. The song reminds me of some SYS like Majid, who see problems in everything, and go round and round trying to find solutions, thinking they are getting somewhere, but in the end, they come back to the very same problem that they started out with! (The fact of the matter is, they, themselves, are the obstacle to the solution of their problem!) Which is clearly shown in this song about the bucket that has a hole in it, titled: " There's a Hole In The Bucket " . (i know the title of this song sounds very basic, but getting back to basics is sometimes necessary, as you shall soon see!):

The song starts out with Henry telling Liza that there is a hole in their bucket, with which they need to fetch water. Liza tells Henry to fix it, of course! Henry asks Liza what he can fix it with? Liza tells him to fix it with straw! But the straw is too long, says Henry, what shall i do now? The logical thing is of course to cut the straw, which Liza tells him to do! Relying on Liza for all his answers and not being able to think for himself, Henry asks what shall i cut it with? The axe, Liza tells him. But the axe is as dull as poor Henry's brain, so he asks Liza what to sharpen the axe with? A stone, of course, says Liza! But the stone is dry, says Henry! Well then wet it, says Liza! With what, asks Henry? With water of course, says Liza. But how to get the water? With the bucket says Liza! But there's a hole in the bucket!!!

There's a Hole in the Bucket - (submitted by Robert Midyett)

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, there's a hole.

Then fix it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then fix it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, fix it.

With what shall I fix it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I fix it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With a straw, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With a straw, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, with a straw.

But the straw is too long,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

But the straw is too long,

Dear Liza, too long.

Then cut it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then cut it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, cut it.

With what shall I cut it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I cut it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With an axe, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With an axe, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, an axe.

The axe is too dull,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

The axe is too dull,

Dear Liza, too dull.

Then sharpen it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then sharpen it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, sharpen it.

With what shall I sharpen it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I sharpen it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With a stone, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With a stone, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, a stone.

The stone is too dry,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

The stone is too dry,

Dear Liza, too dry

Then wet it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

Then wet it, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, wet it.

With what shall I wet it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza?

With what shall I wet it,

Dear Liza, with what?

With water, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

With water, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, with water.

How shall I get it,

Dear Liza, dear Liza,

How shall I get it,

Dear Liza, how shall I?

In the bucket, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, dear Henry

In the bucket, dear Henry,

Dear Henry, in the bucket.

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, dear Liza

There's a hole in the bucket,

Dear Liza, there's a hole.

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/bus.html#top

The intro comments to the above song (plus others) says that:

" This page contains lyrics to some of those wacky songs we sang as students on school bus trips back in the 1970's. A few are those remembered from my days at Farmington High School in Minnesota (Go Tigers!), and the rest were submitted by other teachers and visitors to this site. "

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/music/k-12music/bus.html#top

But Majid's 'holes in the bucket' are probably a reflection of the holes in the bucket of the 'WACKASYS' or the 'WACK-A-SYS' (Choose whichever you prefer!) The 'WACKASYS' are those SYS who like to 'WACK' other SYS over the head with their Pet Spiritual Theories. One of their Pet Spiritual Theories, which their 'Shiva-In-Waiting' pronounced upon them, is that the 'WACKASYS' are the 'New Will of Shri Mataji' (although Shri Mataji is clearly seen to have 'resumed Her Will now!) But they were deadly serious about that then, and any SY who seriously questioned that Pet Spiritual Theory of Willship, knew they would get seriously 'WACKED' over the head, if they did not believe and obey! i believe some SYS even did get 'WACKED'! It's a very serious game that they played. But here is what Shri Mataji says about just such kind of 'WACKASYSHIP':

" I have seen in all the rituals people follow, in all the so-called religious people, they are too serious to be religious! A religious person is bubbling with laughter! He does not know how to hide his joy and he does not know how to control his laughter, when he sees people unnecessarily serious! I mean, nobody is dead! The way people say it sometimes, you just don't know what to do with yourself. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Caxton Hall, London, England - 10 December, 1979)

But getting a bit more serious myself, LOL!, have you like myself ever wondered why Shri Mataji didn't say something openly and bluntly regarding the words and/or actions of WCASY members, for example? For the first time, i have come across Her satisfactory answer to that. In 1979, at Caxton Hall in London, England, Shri Mataji said that She will not " bluntly " let a person know if She finds them " lying " (which is being deceitful in words and/or actions). Shri Mataji's reason being, that if the Sahaja Yogi is already on 'spiritually slippery ground' and then knows that Shri Mataji knows they have lied, then this knowledge could emotionally destroy them, and they will be finished. Shri Mataji says that, instead, She says things in a more subtle way, and even then the SY may know that She knows, but She can't help that. Which is why i also think many WCASY members are not so confident anymore, because surely they must sense that something is not quite right with what they are doing?! Here is how Shri Mataji says it in Her own words:

" If they by any chance know that I have found out that they are lying, then they are finished. I must keep their falsehood to me. You see I am very careful because I know they are on a very slippery ground. So even if I mention in a way that is not so blunt still it might happen. But one must know that it is for our good, that we have to stick on to our truth. And we should not be led away by our own ideas about ourselves. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Caxton Hall, London, 10 December 1979)

Appended is Majid's correspondence to Jagbir and Jagbir's reply. Jagbir has told Majid the truth, but Majid has not replied to Jagbir to this day, but remains silent. As Jagbir is fond of telling us, truth has a way to silence all objections raised.

regards to all,

violet

Never heard again from WCASY # 8 Majid Golpour since April 30, 2002

Majid Golpour

jagbir singh

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:02 AM

Re: Majid Golpour

Jai Shri Mataji

Dear Jagbir,

I am very happy to hear back from you following my own message to you! I am a Sahaja Yogi, named by Shri Mataji as French leader, and since 7 years I'm also responsable for SY in Iran.

If you don't mind I have a couple of questions for you after having seen your site:

What is your connection with Sahaja Yoga in general and how much do you contribute to the content and build of the Al-Quiammat site? Was this site discussed with Shri Mataji before launching it?

The subject dealt with is very delicate, particularly with reference to the name of Shri Mataji, and to do this without Her permission could be against protocol. I could be mistaken on this, but as I don't believe that I have had the pleasure of speaking with you regarding the way we Sahaja Yogis should be helping pass the message of SY to the Muslim community, I am only making presumptions.

You may be aware that a group of yogis of Muslim origin have been working for a number of years to transmit our Divine Mother's message to Muslims across many countries -- such as Iran, India, Algeria, Pakistan, UAE, Turkey, Malaysia, Ivory Coast and Benin, as well as the migrant populations in Europe and the States etc... For this reason, it is a little surprising to see a site dedicated to this subject without consultation with the concerned yogis from these Muslim communities.

Of course, I am in no way questioning your good intentions, but I do feel that the tone of certain documents found on your site could cause concern. Please could you let me know about yourself and your aims with this site so that we can perhaps broaden the input in a more collective manner thereby reducing the possible risks associated with an excess of sensitive and perhaps provocatory information for those not yet realised.

Looking forward to hearing back from you soon,

Best regards,

Majid Golpour

Dear Majid Golpour,

Jai Shri Mataji!

Greetings.

Before we proceed myself would like to let you know that a copy of this email is also being forwarded to Dr. Balwinder Singh -- my brother, fellow Sahaja Yogi and an ENT specialist attached to the Putrajaya Hospital in Malaysia -- who will bear witness to all that is discussed in this email. I have taken this approach because after years of contention, disbelieve and apprehension among Sahaja Yogis, especially those senior or 'in charge' of spreading Shri Mataji's Message, I want this matter to finally rest. Thus, having my brother as a highly educated third-party witness will help confirm all that I am going to say to defend myself, hopefully for the last time.

1) What is your connection with Sahaja Yoga in general?

My connection with Sahaja Yoga is that from 1993-1999 three of my children went daily into their own Sahasraras during meditation, met Shri Mataji and all the messengers of God Almighty, and informed me what was taking place. For 5 years with(out) fail they met Shri Mataji daily. They also answered hundreds of my questions about the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God), directly from Shri Mataji, as and when necessary. This is the only reason myself surrendered to the Truth that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Divine Mother who come to announce and initiate the Resurrection and Last Judgment.

You must be assured that if not for my children I would never have joined Sahaja Yoga because not only do they provide no proof that She is the Adi Shakti, but are even afraid to declare that it is the time of The Resurrection (Al-Qiyamah) and Last Judgment.

2) and how much do you contribute to the content and build of the Al- Quiammat site?

You must know that myself have written a 2,200 page book, Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God, based on all that was revealed by Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Shri Jesus, Prophet Muhammad, Shri Krishna, Shri Vishnu, Shri Ganesha, Guru Nanak and others. This book was presented to Shri Mataji in Cabella in the fall of 1999 and She was extremely pleased with it. However it just needs some minor editing by Shri Mataji, and will then be published for the general public in four parts.

If Shri Mataji has already read and approved the book for the public, which includes the chapter on Al-Qiyamah, then there should be no need for concern. Thus the question of whether it has been discussed with Shri Mataji does not arise because www.al-qiyamah.org reaches the Muslim nations in ways that is not otherwise possible. The book will probably be banned by Islamic nations who view Al- Qiyamah as Doomsday. The only alternative is the internet and that is why the www.al-qiyamah.org website was set up. In fact the internet is a much better conduit for spreading Shri Mataji's Message as it can be constantly updated with relevant and fresh information, something that a book format severely lacks.

The entire www.al-qiyamah.org is done by me. It must be mentioned here that the Qur'an specifies Allah's Signs of Qiyamah, which have all been taken place precisely as written. I bear witness to these Signs and will stand by them even on pain of death, but please do not fault me for being the bearer.

3) The subject dealt with is very delicate, particularly with reference to the name of Shri Mataji, and to do this without Her permission could be against protocol.

Majid Golpour, you are not the first person to question me about using Shri Mataji's name and about protocol, and neither will be the last. If Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the Adi Shakti, something which you also uphold, then how does the question of protocol arise? Why must I need Her permission to announce that She is the Adi Shakti, or that it is the time of Qiyamah or that it is the Last Judgment? Protocol has nothing to do with announcing the Truth, especially if one wants to do so with any fear. Who will set the rules and regulations after She leaves? Will Sahaja Yoga turn into an organized movement in future, with those in charge setting rules, and punishment for breaking them? When will Sahaja Yogis be free to declare and announce the Adi Shakti, Qiyamah and Last Judgment openly, especially when senior Sahaja Yogis and those in charge cannot, or do not want to do so, openly? Why are we so apprehensive of the Truth? Why must hypocritical double standards be forced on others, with 'protocol' used as a tool to silence and subdue those who want the world to know that the Adi Shakti is on Earth announcing the Resurrection and Last Judgment?

Out of the thousands of Muslim visitors to the al-qiyamah site, only three had some disagreements. On the contrary, there are now a number of Islamic sites that have hosted www.al-qiyamah.org on their servers. Why are they supporting this website? It is thus surprising and disheartening that fellow Sahaja Yogis are so afraid of 'offending' fellow Muslims. What is there to offend Muslims when the Qur'an is specifically used as proof? (In the past Sahaja Yogis feared that the www.adishakti.org site would bring about a massive western media attack. Two years have passed and nothing has happened.) Why are we Sahaja Yogis so fearful of telling the world what She has told us? Has this policy of holding back information helped in any way -- bring more seekers, pacified anti-sahaja yoga sites etc?

4) a little surprising to see a site dedicated to this subject without consultation with the concerned yogis from these Muslim communities.

Myself have had no idea that it was necessary to consult fellow yogis. In fact I did not even know that there was a Muslim group working to spread Sahaja Yoga to Muslim countries. (I was in Malaysia last year and there was no such group there). I have never questioned any Sahaja Yogi/Yogini on how he or she spreads Sahaja Yoga. Neither did anyone inform me that there were specific groups or committees whose permission was required to spread Sahaja Yoga, especially 'sensitive information'. Myself have never heard Shri Mataji saying that declaring She is the Adi Shakti, that it is the Last Judgment, the Time of Qiyamah, must be approved by certain yogis. This is something new to me, despite years in Sahaja Yoga.

5) tone of certain documents found on your site could cause concern.

Please let me know which are the documents and myself am willing to look into them.

6) we can perhaps broaden the input in a more collective manner thereby reducing the possible risks associated with an excess of sensitive and perhaps provocatory information for those not yet realised.

The Adi Shakti, Resurrection and Last Judgment are not provocative information. We cannot wait for humans to be realized before telling them the Truth. It has not worked in the past. Tell them the Truth first and they may seek Self-realization on their own.

Again I would like to state that myself am willing to work with anyone to spread the Message of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I agree that at times the tone of my language is strong but so is my utter disgust and disdain for religious organizations manipulating and distorting the Truth. The fact that it is Resurrection Time only makes me all the more forthright in denouncing them. Anything less would render me a coward and hypocrite. After all Allah (SWT) compels you, as one of His many messengers of Al-Qiyamah, to announce the Resurrection without fear and uphold the Qur'an as proof His Warning! May you have the conviction and fearlessness to do so.

Jai Shri Mataji,

jagbir

[Remarks by Jagbir re Muslims in general and Majid's letter]:

" According to Wikipedia " followers of Islam, known as Muslims, believe that God (or, in Arabic, Allâh; also in Aramaic Alaha) revealed his direct word for mankind to Muhammad (c. 570–632) and other prophets, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last or the seal of the Prophets. Thus, his preachings for humankind will last until qiyamah (The Day of the Resurrection). Muslims assert that the main written record of revelation to humankind is the Qur'an (see below), which they believe to be flawless, immutable, and the final revelation of God to humanity. Muslims believe that parts of the Gospels, Torah and Jewish prophetic books (though originally divine in their nature) have been forgotten, misinterpreted, incorrectly edited by humans, or distorted by their followers and thus their original message has been corrupted over time. With that perspective, Muslims view the Qur'an as a correction of Jewish and Christian scriptures, and a final revelation.

Muslims hold that Islam is essentially the same belief as that of all the messengers sent by God to mankind since Adam, with the Qur'ân (the one definitive text of the Muslim faith) codifying the final revelation of God. Islamic texts depict Judaism and Christianity as derivations of the teachings of the prophet Abraham and thus acknowledges their Abrahamic roots, whilst the Qur'an calls Jews and Christians (and sometimes people of other faiths) " People of the Book. ...

Most Muslims regard paper copies of the Qur'an with extreme veneration, wrapping them in a clean cloth, keeping them on a high shelf, and washing as for prayers before reading the Qur'an. Old Qur'ans are not destroyed as wastepaper, but burned or deposited in Qur'an graveyards.

Most Muslims memorize at least some portion of the Qur'an in the original language. Those who have memorized the entire Qur'an are known as hafiz. This is not a rare achievement; it is believed that there are millions of hafiz alive today. " (End)

i know for a fact that Muslims take immense pride in their great faith that springs forth from the Qur'an. Many of them are prepared to willingly die for its cause and will go to great length to announce their beliefs.

But in Sahaja Yoga even Muslims like Majid Golpour gradually lose the formidable strength of their faith, and succumb to the corruption of the Truth. Perhaps such corruption, caution and cowardice to state the Truth is required for council member seats. Maybe WCASY should seek a second opinion as to what Shri Mataji was telling SYs to do nearly 25 years ago:

" Now you can announce the Truth, that you are realized souls, that you have felt this Divine power which is prevailing everywhere; that you can give realisation to others and know that, by your accepting the Truth, you are not adding anything to the Truth, but are adorning yourself. One requires courage to enjoy the Truth. Sometimes people may mock at you, laugh at you, and persecute you also, but that should not be any worry to you because your relationship is with the statutes, with the Grace of God. When that is your connection, you should not worry about other people and what they have to say about it. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth, and talk to people and people will know that you have found it. "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (1981-09, Enjoy the Truth)

i believe Sahaja Yoga is the only spiritual/religious organization that officially endorses dishonesty and where the management condones action against those who demand full disclosure. It is when Muslim SYs start succumbing to organized and collective deception that the limit has been reached. It cannot get any worse than Muslims becoming afraid of being His messengers who must announce the Great Event ordained for humanity. The Qur'an compels the believers of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah to do so without fear or favour, just as Shri Mataji has done for more than three decades. Yet, despite all Her efforts, Muslim leaders like Majid Golpour are still as afraid and apprehensive. This contagious disease has spread and severely wasted the collective body of the rank and file to spread Her Message to humanity. It seems they will never do so. "

http://www.adishakti.org/forum/never_heard_again_from_WCASY_majid_golpour_1-12-2002.htm