One day I asked her: What about the physical Shri Mataji?

[Guest guest]

from: Xxxxxx

to: Jagbir Singh <www.adishakti.org,

date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM

subject: Can I join your forum?

 

Dear Jagbir

 

I contacted you about a year ago when I " discovered " your site. I

have since been a regular visitor to your site and your forum. My

dear friend/sister Nicole has been a member for quite a while now,

and she encouraged me to sign in, but I am so weary of " groups " that

I couldn't be bothered. I'm also very busy in many activities

" defending " our Mother Earth (protection of the Environment) and I

already spend too much time in front a computer, which I dislike!

 

I share your " understanding " /vision/analysis of what's happened in

Sahaja Yoga over the last 3 decades.

 

I was an ardent seeker for years until a friend of my brother's

" introduced " me to SY in November 1993. I am French by birth but I've

never " felt it " . I was not impressed by the Parisian yogis but was

immediately intrigued by Shri Mataji.

 

In April 1994, I went to Australia to visit my sister-in-law (my

husband is English. He's not a " yogi " ) and I met Shri Mataji " by

chance " at Sydney airport!! (This " encounter " had been forecasted to

me in a dream 2 or 3 years before when I dreamt of a baby elephant

leading me to my " home " , in Australia.) What I experienced when I

first met Shri Mataji " physically " still brings tears of joy to my

eyes and bubbles of bliss in my heart.

 

To this day, it's the most incredible and joyous memory I've ever

had. I decided to stay with the Australian yogis for the Easter Puja

(I didn't have a clue what a puja was!...) The experience was

extremely strong (intense smell of roses, incredible joy and bliss,

strong sensations of " whirlwinds " engulfing me...) I thought I was

getting kind of mad. It was weird also because I didn't know anybody

there but I felt so good.

 

After my incredible " Sydney " experience, I knew Shri Mataji was " my

answer " .

 

3 weeks later, we stopped off for a week in Hong Kong on our way back

to Paris: Shri Mataji was there again!! I went to a public program,

met a nice Australian yogi who invited me to the restaurant with the

Hong Kong collective and Shri Mataji (Alex Henshaw was leader at the

time...) and invited me to Shri Mataji's bedroom the next day!!!

 

Through many interesting and amazing anecdotes that happened in those

3 or 4 days, I understood that we could have a special direct

connection with Shri Mataji in our dreams, in our hearts. I saw how

she behaved with people, how She gave me, personally, so many

answers, so much comfort.

 

Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

lived by the French collective.

 

To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of yogis

didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

Mataji was saying.

 

The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

" court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio yoga " .

I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not understanding the

situation, feeling totally estranged to the French collective.

 

Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

understanding.

 

At last, I was not on my own. I also met a young girl, Marie, who

could meet and " see " Shri Mataji daily. That girl (11 at the time, in

1995) could see and speak to all the deities, pretty much like your

children, it seems. Her father was a " fanatical " yogi who had divorced

her Mum because she would not meditate. Marie, the daughter, was in

great despair, and one day, Shri Mataji " appeared " to her and

comforted her. When the child described Her to her father, he

dismissed her experience.

 

A few days later, she described Shri Ganesha (whom she had never

heard of or seen in a book before) and her father had to admit that

she was having some kind of genuine experiences.

 

I got very fond of the girl and tried to meet her as much as I could,

but she was living very far from Paris. She could see angels,

and " bhoots " and deities.

 

One day I asked her: " What about the physical Shri Mataji? "

Marie told me " She's a kind of illusion. She's not the real one. The

real one is everywhere and is within you. "

 

" What about the yogis? Why are they so strange, so devoid of love, so

unlike they should be? "

(Marie) " Because they don't have Shri Mataji, the Goddess, in their

hearts; they don't understand " .

 

I asked her " Are you concerned or distressed about this state of

things? "

She answered " No, because, that's the way things are; it's

not important. " .

 

I lost touch with Marie when I lost touch with the SY and the

collective. During all these troubled years, I also experienced

incredible dreams and visions. Shri Mataji came in my dreams and my

meditations to comfort me and give me " messages " . In one occasion,

she told me " Keep in touch with the Real Yogis " .

 

I kept doubting in myself, thinking that maybe these experiences were

not genuine; especially that when I tried to talk about them to other

yogis, they were dismissed as " bhootish " , I was caught up, and so on.

 

What I realise now is that the collective behaviour was constantly

destroying any inner personal experience. You had to " follow the

leader " .

 

When Antonio was replaced by Majid, I was relieved and thought things

might change... Alas! In another " style " , it got worse!

 

On the occasion of Shri Mataji's birthday, in March 99, I experienced

such pains in my heart, I felt so sad, so bad thinking " Look

Mother; what have they done with your message of Love, of

Liberation. They are a bunch of coward rats gathering in stinky

underground cellars ! (That's were the meditations took place in

Paris : in a big cellar, with no ventilation, no windows!...) This

was totally absurd and unworthy and I decided to " leave " the

collective.

 

I've kept in touch with 2 or 3 " yogis " who left, like me and came to

the same " conclusions " . I once asked Mother in one my " dreams " what I

could do to stop feeling so sad and distressed about the state of the

French collective: she asked me to put my head by Her feet; a flow

of Light and Love completely cleansed me inside. My sadness disappeared. When I

looked back at Her, She was smiling with a beaming smile, making me " feel "

rather than saying: " You see, sadness

doesn't exist. Just leave everything to Me. "

 

That's what I've been trying to do since 2000. I'm not interfering

with SY anymore. I got strongly involved in politics, the environment

and of course my family life (I've got 2 great children, a daughter

and a son.)

 

But as the saying goes: " Silence gives consent " ; over the last few

years, I've tried to teach myself to keep in silence, because I used

to be " over reactive " and it caused me some trouble.

 

But because of Violet's recent discussion about Majid's letter on

your site, though, I felt compelled to eventually openly support

your great work. I have felt very much touched and concerned about

her comments and about your courage, and discernment, Jagbir. That's

why I feel I can't keep quiet anymore and I must support you.

 

So, could you please accept me on your forum (if you do, you'll have

to explain thoroughly what to do because I'm useless with the

Internet!)

 

Could you also forward this letter to Violet because I always feel

very much touched and " stirred " by her comments. I understand she's

Australian. I have a special link with Australia.

 

Hope to hear from you soon

 

 

With Love from France

 

Xxxxxx

[Guest guest]

Dear Xxxxxx,

 

It is great to have you join our forum. If you wish to correspond with me for

any reason, such as help with the internet, to acclimatise yourself to the

forum, or whatever, i am most happy to help. i don't have your email address,

but mine is:

 

violetubb

 

In any case, i would just like to say:

 

Welcome!

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> from: Xxxxxx

> to: Jagbir Singh <www.adishakti.org,

> date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM

> subject: Can I join your forum?

>

> Dear Jagbir

>

> I contacted you about a year ago when I " discovered " your site. I

> have since been a regular visitor to your site and your forum. My

> dear friend/sister Nicole has been a member for quite a while now,

> and she encouraged me to sign in, but I am so weary of " groups "

that

> I couldn't be bothered. I'm also very busy in many activities

> " defending " our Mother Earth (protection of the Environment) and I

> already spend too much time in front a computer, which I dislike!

>

> I share your " understanding " /vision/analysis of what's happened in

> Sahaja Yoga over the last 3 decades.

>

> I was an ardent seeker for years until a friend of my brother's

> " introduced " me to SY in November 1993. I am French by birth but

I've

> never " felt it " . I was not impressed by the Parisian yogis but was

> immediately intrigued by Shri Mataji.

>

> In April 1994, I went to Australia to visit my sister-in-law (my

> husband is English. He's not a " yogi " ) and I met Shri Mataji " by

> chance " at Sydney airport!! (This " encounter " had been forecasted

to

> me in a dream 2 or 3 years before when I dreamt of a baby elephant

> leading me to my " home " , in Australia.) What I experienced when I

> first met Shri Mataji " physically " still brings tears of joy to my

> eyes and bubbles of bliss in my heart.

>

> To this day, it's the most incredible and joyous memory I've ever

> had. I decided to stay with the Australian yogis for the Easter

Puja

> (I didn't have a clue what a puja was!...) The experience was

> extremely strong (intense smell of roses, incredible joy and bliss,

> strong sensations of " whirlwinds " engulfing me...) I thought I was

> getting kind of mad. It was weird also because I didn't know

anybody

> there but I felt so good.

>

> After my incredible " Sydney " experience, I knew Shri Mataji was

" my

> answer " .

>

> 3 weeks later, we stopped off for a week in Hong Kong on our way

back

> to Paris: Shri Mataji was there again!! I went to a public program,

> met a nice Australian yogi who invited me to the restaurant with

the

> Hong Kong collective and Shri Mataji (Alex Henshaw was leader at

the

> time...) and invited me to Shri Mataji's bedroom the next day!!!

>

> Through many interesting and amazing anecdotes that happened in

those

> 3 or 4 days, I understood that we could have a special direct

> connection with Shri Mataji in our dreams, in our hearts. I saw how

> she behaved with people, how She gave me, personally, so many

> answers, so much comfort.

>

> Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> lived by the French collective.

>

> To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

> a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

> very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of

yogis

> didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

> Mataji was saying.

>

> The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

> dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

> group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

yoga " .

> I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not understanding

the

> situation, feeling totally estranged to the French collective.

>

> Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

> letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

> understanding.

>

> At last, I was not on my own. I also met a young girl, Marie, who

> could meet and " see " Shri Mataji daily. That girl (11 at the time,

in

> 1995) could see and speak to all the deities, pretty much like your

> children, it seems. Her father was a " fanatical " yogi who had

divorced

> her Mum because she would not meditate. Marie, the daughter, was in

> great despair, and one day, Shri Mataji " appeared " to her and

> comforted her. When the child described Her to her father, he

> dismissed her experience.

>

> A few days later, she described Shri Ganesha (whom she had never

> heard of or seen in a book before) and her father had to admit that

> she was having some kind of genuine experiences.

>

> I got very fond of the girl and tried to meet her as much as I

could,

> but she was living very far from Paris. She could see angels,

> and " bhoots " and deities.

>

> One day I asked her: " What about the physical Shri Mataji? "

> Marie told me " She's a kind of illusion. She's not the real one.

The

> real one is everywhere and is within you. "

>

> " What about the yogis? Why are they so strange, so devoid of love,

so

> unlike they should be? "

> (Marie) " Because they don't have Shri Mataji, the Goddess, in their

> hearts; they don't understand " .

>

> I asked her " Are you concerned or distressed about this state of

> things? "

> She answered " No, because, that's the way things are; it's

> not important. " .

>

> I lost touch with Marie when I lost touch with the SY and the

> collective. During all these troubled years, I also experienced

> incredible dreams and visions. Shri Mataji came in my dreams and my

> meditations to comfort me and give me " messages " . In one occasion,

> she told me " Keep in touch with the Real Yogis " .

>

> I kept doubting in myself, thinking that maybe these experiences

were

> not genuine; especially that when I tried to talk about them to

other

> yogis, they were dismissed as " bhootish " , I was caught up, and so

on.

>

> What I realise now is that the collective behaviour was constantly

> destroying any inner personal experience. You had to " follow the

> leader " .

>

> When Antonio was replaced by Majid, I was relieved and thought

things

> might change... Alas! In another " style " , it got worse!

>

> On the occasion of Shri Mataji's birthday, in March 99, I

experienced

> such pains in my heart, I felt so sad, so bad thinking " Look

> Mother; what have they done with your message of Love, of

> Liberation. They are a bunch of coward rats gathering in stinky

> underground cellars ! (That's were the meditations took place in

> Paris : in a big cellar, with no ventilation, no windows!...) This

> was totally absurd and unworthy and I decided to " leave " the

> collective.

>

> I've kept in touch with 2 or 3 " yogis " who left, like me and came

to

> the same " conclusions " . I once asked Mother in one my " dreams "

what I

> could do to stop feeling so sad and distressed about the state of

the

> French collective: she asked me to put my head by Her feet; a flow

> of Light and Love completely cleansed me inside. My sadness

disappeared. When I looked back at Her, She was smiling with a

beaming smile, making me " feel " rather than saying: " You see, sadness

> doesn't exist. Just leave everything to Me. "

>

> That's what I've been trying to do since 2000. I'm not interfering

> with SY anymore. I got strongly involved in politics, the

environment

> and of course my family life (I've got 2 great children, a daughter

> and a son.)

>

> But as the saying goes: " Silence gives consent " ; over the last few

> years, I've tried to teach myself to keep in silence, because I

used

> to be " over reactive " and it caused me some trouble.

>

> But because of Violet's recent discussion about Majid's letter on

> your site, though, I felt compelled to eventually openly support

> your great work. I have felt very much touched and concerned about

> her comments and about your courage, and discernment, Jagbir.

That's

> why I feel I can't keep quiet anymore and I must support you.

>

> So, could you please accept me on your forum (if you do, you'll

have

> to explain thoroughly what to do because I'm useless with the

> Internet!)

>

> Could you also forward this letter to Violet because I always feel

> very much touched and " stirred " by her comments. I understand she's

> Australian. I have a special link with Australia.

>

> Hope to hear from you soon

>

>

> With Love from France

>

> Xxxxxx

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Xxxxx,

A warm welcome reaches out to you to join this forum family.

Kind regards,

Gerlinde

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> from: Xxxxxx

> to: Jagbir Singh <www.adishakti.org,

> date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM

> subject: Can I join your forum?

>

> Dear Jagbir

>

> I contacted you about a year ago when I " discovered " your site. I

> have since been a regular visitor to your site and your forum. My

> dear friend/sister Nicole has been a member for quite a while now,

> and she encouraged me to sign in, but I am so weary of " groups "

that

> I couldn't be bothered. I'm also very busy in many activities

> " defending " our Mother Earth (protection of the Environment) and I

> already spend too much time in front a computer, which I dislike!

>

> I share your " understanding " /vision/analysis of what's happened in

> Sahaja Yoga over the last 3 decades.

>

> I was an ardent seeker for years until a friend of my brother's

> " introduced " me to SY in November 1993. I am French by birth but

I've

> never " felt it " . I was not impressed by the Parisian yogis but was

> immediately intrigued by Shri Mataji.

>

> In April 1994, I went to Australia to visit my sister-in-law (my

> husband is English. He's not a " yogi " ) and I met Shri Mataji " by

> chance " at Sydney airport!! (This " encounter " had been forecasted

to

> me in a dream 2 or 3 years before when I dreamt of a baby elephant

> leading me to my " home " , in Australia.) What I experienced when I

> first met Shri Mataji " physically " still brings tears of joy to my

> eyes and bubbles of bliss in my heart.

>

> To this day, it's the most incredible and joyous memory I've ever

> had. I decided to stay with the Australian yogis for the Easter

Puja

> (I didn't have a clue what a puja was!...) The experience was

> extremely strong (intense smell of roses, incredible joy and bliss,

> strong sensations of " whirlwinds " engulfing me...) I thought I was

> getting kind of mad. It was weird also because I didn't know

anybody

> there but I felt so good.

>

> After my incredible " Sydney " experience, I knew Shri Mataji

was " my

> answer " .

>

> 3 weeks later, we stopped off for a week in Hong Kong on our way

back

> to Paris: Shri Mataji was there again!! I went to a public program,

> met a nice Australian yogi who invited me to the restaurant with

the

> Hong Kong collective and Shri Mataji (Alex Henshaw was leader at

the

> time...) and invited me to Shri Mataji's bedroom the next day!!!

>

> Through many interesting and amazing anecdotes that happened in

those

> 3 or 4 days, I understood that we could have a special direct

> connection with Shri Mataji in our dreams, in our hearts. I saw how

> she behaved with people, how She gave me, personally, so many

> answers, so much comfort.

>

> Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> lived by the French collective.

>

> To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

> a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

> very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of

yogis

> didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

> Mataji was saying.

>

> The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

> dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

> group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

yoga " .

> I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not understanding

the

> situation, feeling totally estranged to the French collective.

>

> Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

> letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

> understanding.

>

> At last, I was not on my own. I also met a young girl, Marie, who

> could meet and " see " Shri Mataji daily. That girl (11 at the time,

in

> 1995) could see and speak to all the deities, pretty much like your

> children, it seems. Her father was a " fanatical " yogi who had

divorced

> her Mum because she would not meditate. Marie, the daughter, was in

> great despair, and one day, Shri Mataji " appeared " to her and

> comforted her. When the child described Her to her father, he

> dismissed her experience.

>

> A few days later, she described Shri Ganesha (whom she had never

> heard of or seen in a book before) and her father had to admit that

> she was having some kind of genuine experiences.

>

> I got very fond of the girl and tried to meet her as much as I

could,

> but she was living very far from Paris. She could see angels,

> and " bhoots " and deities.

>

> One day I asked her: " What about the physical Shri Mataji? "

> Marie told me " She's a kind of illusion. She's not the real one.

The

> real one is everywhere and is within you. "

>

> " What about the yogis? Why are they so strange, so devoid of love,

so

> unlike they should be? "

> (Marie) " Because they don't have Shri Mataji, the Goddess, in their

> hearts; they don't understand " .

>

> I asked her " Are you concerned or distressed about this state of

> things? "

> She answered " No, because, that's the way things are; it's

> not important. " .

>

> I lost touch with Marie when I lost touch with the SY and the

> collective. During all these troubled years, I also experienced

> incredible dreams and visions. Shri Mataji came in my dreams and my

> meditations to comfort me and give me " messages " . In one occasion,

> she told me " Keep in touch with the Real Yogis " .

>

> I kept doubting in myself, thinking that maybe these experiences

were

> not genuine; especially that when I tried to talk about them to

other

> yogis, they were dismissed as " bhootish " , I was caught up, and so

on.

>

> What I realise now is that the collective behaviour was constantly

> destroying any inner personal experience. You had to " follow the

> leader " .

>

> When Antonio was replaced by Majid, I was relieved and thought

things

> might change... Alas! In another " style " , it got worse!

>

> On the occasion of Shri Mataji's birthday, in March 99, I

experienced

> such pains in my heart, I felt so sad, so bad thinking " Look

> Mother; what have they done with your message of Love, of

> Liberation. They are a bunch of coward rats gathering in stinky

> underground cellars ! (That's were the meditations took place in

> Paris : in a big cellar, with no ventilation, no windows!...) This

> was totally absurd and unworthy and I decided to " leave " the

> collective.

>

> I've kept in touch with 2 or 3 " yogis " who left, like me and came

to

> the same " conclusions " . I once asked Mother in one my " dreams "

what I

> could do to stop feeling so sad and distressed about the state of

the

> French collective: she asked me to put my head by Her feet; a flow

> of Light and Love completely cleansed me inside. My sadness

disappeared. When I looked back at Her, She was smiling with a

beaming smile, making me " feel " rather than saying: " You see, sadness

> doesn't exist. Just leave everything to Me. "

>

> That's what I've been trying to do since 2000. I'm not interfering

> with SY anymore. I got strongly involved in politics, the

environment

> and of course my family life (I've got 2 great children, a daughter

> and a son.)

>

> But as the saying goes: " Silence gives consent " ; over the last few

> years, I've tried to teach myself to keep in silence, because I

used

> to be " over reactive " and it caused me some trouble.

>

> But because of Violet's recent discussion about Majid's letter on

> your site, though, I felt compelled to eventually openly support

> your great work. I have felt very much touched and concerned about

> her comments and about your courage, and discernment, Jagbir.

That's

> why I feel I can't keep quiet anymore and I must support you.

>

> So, could you please accept me on your forum (if you do, you'll

have

> to explain thoroughly what to do because I'm useless with the

> Internet!)

>

> Could you also forward this letter to Violet because I always feel

> very much touched and " stirred " by her comments. I understand she's

> Australian. I have a special link with Australia.

>

> Hope to hear from you soon

>

>

> With Love from France

>

> Xxxxxx

>