I immediately felt the huge gap between my own experience of Sahaja Yoga ...

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>

> Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> lived by the French collective.

>

> To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

> a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

> very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of yogis

> didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

> Mataji was saying.

>

> The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

> dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

> group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

> yoga " . I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not

> understanding the situation, feeling totally estranged to the

> French collective.

>

 

Dear Xxxxxx,

 

You are most welcome to join and nourish this forum and websites with

your contributions. Every important post is archived so that future

generations will never undergo the same pain, succumb to the same

fear, or accept the same dishonesty that we had to.

 

Of course the immediate effect is to give hope and courage to SYs

within the organization so that they too may change their

consciousness and conscience, and join us to protect the Comforter's

advent and message by openly declaring it in its entirety. i am so

sure more and more of them will join us and discharge their sacred

duty towards the Divine Mother.

 

i would thus be grateful if you can expand on the above paragraphs.

You can always send your reply privately and i will post it at the

forum. Please do not feel pressured to respond quickly, busy as you

already are. Here we would like to take things at a leisured pace.

When there are no obligations or overlords, it does wonders for the

mind and spirit. Thanks again.

 

with love and best regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

--------------

 

from: Xxxxxx

to: Jagbir Singh <www.adishakti.org,

date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM

subject: Can I join your forum?

 

Dear Jagbir

 

I contacted you about a year ago when I " discovered " your site. I

have since been a regular visitor to your site and your forum. My

dear friend/sister Nicole has been a member for quite a while now,

and she encouraged me to sign in, but I am so weary of " groups " that

I couldn't be bothered. I'm also very busy in many activities

" defending " our Mother Earth (protection of the Environment) and I

already spend too much time in front a computer, which I dislike!

 

I share your " understanding " /vision/analysis of what's happened in

Sahaja Yoga over the last 3 decades.

 

I was an ardent seeker for years until a friend of my brother's

" introduced " me to SY in November 1993. I am French by birth but I've

never " felt it " . I was not impressed by the Parisian yogis but was

immediately intrigued by Shri Mataji.

 

In April 1994, I went to Australia to visit my sister-in-law (my

husband is English. He's not a " yogi " ) and I met Shri Mataji " by

chance " at Sydney airport!! (This " encounter " had been forecasted to

me in a dream 2 or 3 years before when I dreamt of a baby elephant

leading me to my " home " , in Australia.) What I experienced when I

first met Shri Mataji " physically " still brings tears of joy to my

eyes and bubbles of bliss in my heart.

 

To this day, it's the most incredible and joyous memory I've ever

had. I decided to stay with the Australian yogis for the Easter Puja

(I didn't have a clue what a puja was!...) The experience was

extremely strong (intense smell of roses, incredible joy and bliss,

strong sensations of " whirlwinds " engulfing me...) I thought I was

getting kind of mad. It was weird also because I didn't know anybody

there but I felt so good.

 

After my incredible " Sydney " experience, I knew Shri Mataji was " my

answer " .

 

3 weeks later, we stopped off for a week in Hong Kong on our way back

to Paris: Shri Mataji was there again!! I went to a public program,

met a nice Australian yogi who invited me to the restaurant with the

Hong Kong collective and Shri Mataji (Alex Henshaw was leader at the

time...) and invited me to Shri Mataji's bedroom the next day!!!

 

Through many interesting and amazing anecdotes that happened in those

3 or 4 days, I understood that we could have a special direct

connection with Shri Mataji in our dreams, in our hearts. I saw how

she behaved with people, how She gave me, personally, so many

answers, so much comfort.

 

Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

lived by the French collective.

 

To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of yogis

didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

Mataji was saying.

 

The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

" court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio yoga " .

I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not understanding the

situation, feeling totally estranged to the French collective.

 

Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

understanding.

 

At last, I was not on my own. I also met a young girl, Marie, who

could meet and " see " Shri Mataji daily. That girl (11 at the time, in

1995) could see and speak to all the deities, pretty much like your

children, it seems. Her father was a " fanatical " yogi who had divorced

her Mum because she would not meditate. Marie, the daughter, was in

great despair, and one day, Shri Mataji " appeared " to her and

comforted her. When the child described Her to her father, he

dismissed her experience.

 

A few days later, she described Shri Ganesha (whom she had never

heard of or seen in a book before) and her father had to admit that

she was having some kind of genuine experiences.

 

I got very fond of the girl and tried to meet her as much as I could,

but she was living very far from Paris. She could see angels,

and " bhoots " and deities.

 

One day I asked her: " What about the physical Shri Mataji? "

Marie told me " She's a kind of illusion. She's not the real one. The

real one is everywhere and is within you. "

 

" What about the yogis? Why are they so strange, so devoid of love, so

unlike they should be? "

(Marie) " Because they don't have Shri Mataji, the Goddess, in their

hearts; they don't understand " .

 

I asked her " Are you concerned or distressed about this state of

things? "

She answered " No, because, that's the way things are; it's

not important. " .

 

I lost touch with Marie when I lost touch with the SY and the

collective. During all these troubled years, I also experienced

incredible dreams and visions. Shri Mataji came in my dreams and my

meditations to comfort me and give me " messages " . In one occasion,

she told me " Keep in touch with the Real Yogis " .

 

I kept doubting in myself, thinking that maybe these experiences were

not genuine; especially that when I tried to talk about them to other

yogis, they were dismissed as " bhootish " , I was caught up, and so on.

 

What I realise now is that the collective behaviour was constantly

destroying any inner personal experience. You had to " follow the

leader " .

 

When Antonio was replaced by Majid, I was relieved and thought things

might change... Alas! In another " style " , it got worse!

 

On the occasion of Shri Mataji's birthday, in March 99, I experienced

such pains in my heart, I felt so sad, so bad thinking " Look

Mother; what have they done with your message of Love, of

Liberation. They are a bunch of coward rats gathering in stinky

underground cellars ! (That's were the meditations took place in

Paris : in a big cellar, with no ventilation, no windows!...) This

was totally absurd and unworthy and I decided to " leave " the

collective.

 

I've kept in touch with 2 or 3 " yogis " who left, like me and came to

the same " conclusions " . I once asked Mother in one my " dreams " what I

could do to stop feeling so sad and distressed about the state of the

French collective: she asked me to put my head by Her feet; a flow

of Light and Love completely cleansed me inside. My sadness

disappeared. When I

looked back at Her, She was smiling with a beaming smile, making

me " feel "

rather than saying: " You see, sadness

doesn't exist. Just leave everything to Me. "

 

That's what I've been trying to do since 2000. I'm not interfering

with SY anymore. I got strongly involved in politics, the environment

and of course my family life (I've got 2 great children, a daughter

and a son.)

 

But as the saying goes: " Silence gives consent " ; over the last few

years, I've tried to teach myself to keep in silence, because I used

to be " over reactive " and it caused me some trouble.

 

But because of Violet's recent discussion about Majid's letter on

your site, though, I felt compelled to eventually openly support

your great work. I have felt very much touched and concerned about

her comments and about your courage, and discernment, Jagbir. That's

why I feel I can't keep quiet anymore and I must support you.

 

So, could you please accept me on your forum (if you do, you'll have

to explain thoroughly what to do because I'm useless with the

Internet!)

 

Could you also forward this letter to Violet because I always feel

very much touched and " stirred " by her comments. I understand she's

Australian. I have a special link with Australia.

 

Hope to hear from you soon

 

 

With Love from France

 

Xxxxxx

[Guest guest]

> Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> lived by the French collective.

>

> To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

> a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

> very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of yogis

> yogis didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what

> Shri Mataji was saying.

>

> The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

> dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

> group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

> yoga " . I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not

> understanding the situation, feeling totally estranged to the

> French collective.

>

> Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

> letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

> understanding.

 

Dear Xxxxxxxxx (and All)

 

The years of 1993 and 1994 were such momentous times! i too came to Sahaja Yoga

around that time! 1994 was the year, when you arrived at Sydney Airport, that a

roomful of yogis including myself heard Shri Mataji's talk at the airport. i

wonder if you were there in the airport conference room when Shri Mataji told

about the " special personalities who would give evidence of Her Incarnation?! "

Everyone has forgotten it, or so it seems. Even though i had put it in my heart

and mind (stored it for future recall), i only remembered it, when Jagbir

revealed that the Adi Shakti had revealed that the children were " angels " . That

'triggered' my memory of the 'special personalities' mention of Shri Mataji. So,

with all my spiritual ardour and will to remember Her Words, even i had

forgotten until that time of 'triggered recall'. In spite of myself also being

aware of the need for the spiritual eschatology to be fulfilled to the letter.

So given that whole scenario, we can see how the other yogis have completely

forgotten it. Time alone, can result in a person forgetting. But the Adi Shakti

finds ways to awaken and circumvent all obstacles.

 

A lot of WCASY SYS think that the Adi Shakti is confined to Her physical

vehicle. Fortunately for all of us (including all those who think, and act so)

She is not! If things were the way they think and act, the Holy Spirit would be

finished on earth, once Shri Mataji has Her Mahasammadhi! Which brings an

interesting point: " Who will they follow, once Shri Mataji does have Her

Mahasammadhi? " But aren't they thinking and acting like Shri Mataji has already

had Her Mahasammadhi, i.e. aren't they already following their particular,

favourite leader?!

 

And if they are not wanting to follow " a particular leader " but are just wanting

to follow the Adi Shakti/Holy Spirit within, as Kyyan has done, this is what

happens:

 

/message/6573

 

/message/6575

 

/message/6576

 

Shri Mataji says that She will not reveal if She knows if someone is " lying " ,

because it would be too devastating to the SY to know that. It would destroy

them:

 

" If they by any chance know that I have found out that they are lying, then they

are finished. I must keep their falsehood to me. You see I am very careful

because I know they are on a very slippery ground. So even if I mention in a way

that is not so blunt still it might happen. But one must know that it is for our

good, that we have to stick on to our truth. And we should not be led away by

our own ideas about ourselves. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - The Message of

Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Caxton Hall,

London, 10 December 1979)

 

But for us conscious and conscientious Sahaja Yogis, we can tell if a person is

" lying " , because they will not be " devastated " if we tell them. It is easier for

them to take it, when we tell them the truth, than if Shri Mataji tells them the

truth. Because they can 'dismiss us' but they can't 'dismiss Shri Mataji'. If

they consciously 'dismiss Shri Mataji' they are finished! So what all these

leaders, who are teaching their favourite bits of what Shri Mataji taught,

instead of Her Wholistic Divine Message must be doing, is unconsciously hiding

the Absolute Truth from themselves! It is obvious they just don't understand

what it is all about, or what they are doing, similar to how the Apostle Paul

did not know what he was doing, when he took the teachings of Christ, and made

it into a Pauline Christianity. Which is why the responsibility really lies on

us now, i.e., those SYS who are conscious and conscientious about all that is

happening. That is why we greatly treasure every new conscious and conscientious

yogi that joins our Sahaja Yoga Forum Family. As Jagbir believes, this rallying

of conscious, conscientious yogis will only increase in future! i have

absolutely no doubt about that!

 

In conclusion, i feel really sorry that you felt so 'spiritually lonely' in

those years, when there was such a gap between your experience of Shri Mataji

and Sahaja Yoga. i deeply feel your predicament of that time. i am so glad you

found Nicole and that beautiful girl, who both helped you. Mother surely sent

them along to help you!

 

Now, the good news is that we have this forum and associated sites. We don't

have to be 'spiritually lonely' therefore. Maybe you will start liking the

internet more, when you can use it to really express yourself. Don't worry about

'going overboard'. (From experience, if you do, and it is on a public forum, you

soon rebalance yourself, through the replies of others, LOL!) The collective

balancing factor comes in, which is good to have, LOL! All that needs to be said

can be freely said here. All that is required is the truth, and not to follow

any external leader! The only leader you must follow here is the Holy Spirit/Adi

Shakti within!

 

love and best wishes to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir

singh " <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> > experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> > lived by the French collective.

> >

> > To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY

into

> > a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in

a

> > very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of

yogis

> > didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

> > Mataji was saying.

> >

> > The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I

didn't

> > dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a

whole

> > group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> > " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

> > yoga " . I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not

> > understanding the situation, feeling totally estranged to the

> > French collective.

> >

>

> Dear Xxxxxx,

>

> You are most welcome to join and nourish this forum and websites

with

> your contributions. Every important post is archived so that future

> generations will never undergo the same pain, succumb to the same

> fear, or accept the same dishonesty that we had to.

>

> Of course the immediate effect is to give hope and courage to SYs

> within the organization so that they too may change their

> consciousness and conscience, and join us to protect the

Comforter's

> advent and message by openly declaring it in its entirety. i am so

> sure more and more of them will join us and discharge their sacred

> duty towards the Divine Mother.

>

> i would thus be grateful if you can expand on the above paragraphs.

> You can always send your reply privately and i will post it at the

> forum. Please do not feel pressured to respond quickly, busy as you

> already are. Here we would like to take things at a leisured pace.

> When there are no obligations or overlords, it does wonders for the

> mind and spirit. Thanks again.

>

> with love and best regards,

>

>

> jagbir

>

> --------------

>

> from: Xxxxxx

> to: Jagbir Singh <www.adishakti.org,

> date: Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM

> subject: Can I join your forum?

>

> Dear Jagbir

>

> I contacted you about a year ago when I " discovered " your site. I

> have since been a regular visitor to your site and your forum. My

> dear friend/sister Nicole has been a member for quite a while now,

> and she encouraged me to sign in, but I am so weary of " groups "

that

> I couldn't be bothered. I'm also very busy in many activities

> " defending " our Mother Earth (protection of the Environment) and I

> already spend too much time in front a computer, which I dislike!

>

> I share your " understanding " /vision/analysis of what's happened in

> Sahaja Yoga over the last 3 decades.

>

> I was an ardent seeker for years until a friend of my brother's

> " introduced " me to SY in November 1993. I am French by birth but

I've

> never " felt it " . I was not impressed by the Parisian yogis but was

> immediately intrigued by Shri Mataji.

>

> In April 1994, I went to Australia to visit my sister-in-law (my

> husband is English. He's not a " yogi " ) and I met Shri Mataji " by

> chance " at Sydney airport!! (This " encounter " had been forecasted

to

> me in a dream 2 or 3 years before when I dreamt of a baby elephant

> leading me to my " home " , in Australia.) What I experienced when I

> first met Shri Mataji " physically " still brings tears of joy to my

> eyes and bubbles of bliss in my heart.

>

> To this day, it's the most incredible and joyous memory I've ever

> had. I decided to stay with the Australian yogis for the Easter

Puja

> (I didn't have a clue what a puja was!...) The experience was

> extremely strong (intense smell of roses, incredible joy and bliss,

> strong sensations of " whirlwinds " engulfing me...) I thought I was

> getting kind of mad. It was weird also because I didn't know

anybody

> there but I felt so good.

>

> After my incredible " Sydney " experience, I knew Shri Mataji was " my

> answer " .

>

> 3 weeks later, we stopped off for a week in Hong Kong on our way

back

> to Paris: Shri Mataji was there again!! I went to a public program,

> met a nice Australian yogi who invited me to the restaurant with

the

> Hong Kong collective and Shri Mataji (Alex Henshaw was leader at

the

> time...) and invited me to Shri Mataji's bedroom the next day!!!

>

> Through many interesting and amazing anecdotes that happened in

those

> 3 or 4 days, I understood that we could have a special direct

> connection with Shri Mataji in our dreams, in our hearts. I saw how

> she behaved with people, how She gave me, personally, so many

> answers, so much comfort.

>

> Back to Paris, I immediately felt the huge gap between my own

> experience of " Sahaja Yoga " and the " Sahaja Yoga " advertised and

> lived by the French collective.

>

> To make a long story short: " they " (the yogis) were turning SY into

> a kind of cult, interpreting Shri Mataji's message and advent in a

> very different way from mine. For a start, a great majority of

yogis

> didn't understand English and didn't have a clue about what Shri

> Mataji was saying.

>

> The leader of the time (Antonio) was a horrible character I didn't

> dare approaching, but was considered as a great " saint " by a whole

> group of " favourites " (a bit like the king Louis VIX and his

> " court " ). In my view, Sahaja Yoga in France was rather " Antonio

yoga " .

> I spent 2 or 3 difficult years, feeling lonely, not understanding

the

> situation, feeling totally estranged to the French collective.

>

> Then I met Nicole in Cabella. For years, she supported me through

> letters. We shared the same ideas, the same vision, the same

> understanding.

>

> At last, I was not on my own. I also met a young girl, Marie, who

> could meet and " see " Shri Mataji daily. That girl (11 at the time,

in

> 1995) could see and speak to all the deities, pretty much like your

> children, it seems. Her father was a " fanatical " yogi who had

divorced

> her Mum because she would not meditate. Marie, the daughter, was in

> great despair, and one day, Shri Mataji " appeared " to her and

> comforted her. When the child described Her to her father, he

> dismissed her experience.

>

> A few days later, she described Shri Ganesha (whom she had never

> heard of or seen in a book before) and her father had to admit that

> she was having some kind of genuine experiences.

>

> I got very fond of the girl and tried to meet her as much as I

could,

> but she was living very far from Paris. She could see angels,

> and " bhoots " and deities.

>

> One day I asked her: " What about the physical Shri Mataji? "

> Marie told me " She's a kind of illusion. She's not the real one.

The

> real one is everywhere and is within you. "

>

> " What about the yogis? Why are they so strange, so devoid of love,

so

> unlike they should be? "

> (Marie) " Because they don't have Shri Mataji, the Goddess, in their

> hearts; they don't understand " .

>

> I asked her " Are you concerned or distressed about this state of

> things? "

> She answered " No, because, that's the way things are; it's

> not important. " .

>

> I lost touch with Marie when I lost touch with the SY and the

> collective. During all these troubled years, I also experienced

> incredible dreams and visions. Shri Mataji came in my dreams and my

> meditations to comfort me and give me " messages " . In one occasion,

> she told me " Keep in touch with the Real Yogis " .

>

> I kept doubting in myself, thinking that maybe these experiences

were

> not genuine; especially that when I tried to talk about them to

other

> yogis, they were dismissed as " bhootish " , I was caught up, and so

on.

>

> What I realise now is that the collective behaviour was constantly

> destroying any inner personal experience. You had to " follow the

> leader " .

>

> When Antonio was replaced by Majid, I was relieved and thought

things

> might change... Alas! In another " style " , it got worse!

>

> On the occasion of Shri Mataji's birthday, in March 99, I

experienced

> such pains in my heart, I felt so sad, so bad thinking " Look

> Mother; what have they done with your message of Love, of

> Liberation. They are a bunch of coward rats gathering in stinky

> underground cellars ! (That's were the meditations took place in

> Paris : in a big cellar, with no ventilation, no windows!...) This

> was totally absurd and unworthy and I decided to " leave " the

> collective.

>

> I've kept in touch with 2 or 3 " yogis " who left, like me and came

to

> the same " conclusions " . I once asked Mother in one my " dreams "

what I

> could do to stop feeling so sad and distressed about the state of

the

> French collective: she asked me to put my head by Her feet; a flow

> of Light and Love completely cleansed me inside. My sadness

> disappeared. When I

> looked back at Her, She was smiling with a beaming smile, making

> me " feel "

> rather than saying: " You see, sadness

> doesn't exist. Just leave everything to Me. "

>

> That's what I've been trying to do since 2000. I'm not interfering

> with SY anymore. I got strongly involved in politics, the

environment

> and of course my family life (I've got 2 great children, a daughter

> and a son.)

>

> But as the saying goes: " Silence gives consent " ; over the last few

> years, I've tried to teach myself to keep in silence, because I

used

> to be " over reactive " and it caused me some trouble.

>

> But because of Violet's recent discussion about Majid's letter on

> your site, though, I felt compelled to eventually openly support

> your great work. I have felt very much touched and concerned about

> her comments and about your courage, and discernment, Jagbir.

That's

> why I feel I can't keep quiet anymore and I must support you.

>

> So, could you please accept me on your forum (if you do, you'll

have

> to explain thoroughly what to do because I'm useless with the

> Internet!)

>

> Could you also forward this letter to Violet because I always feel

> very much touched and " stirred " by her comments. I understand she's

> Australian. I have a special link with Australia.

>

> Hope to hear from you soon

>

>

> With Love from France

>

> Xxxxxx

>