Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 k3k78 <Xxxxxxx jagbir singh <adishakti_org Monday, March 3, 2008 10:28:40 AM Hello Jagbir Dear Jagbir, Doing a search nepal living goddess these news people are just crying out for a goddess to run news on at the moment ? me agree with you something really really really wrong with sy those in charge 38 years now still the world knows ziltch about sy thats 38 years THIRTY EIGHT years personaly i dont give any hope for the so called sy organistion mr magoo would do better job. (1) sy needs just tell the truth which impiles also to others. else how will others know (2) we can aggree the goddess within ok like you said silence on self regards Xxxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > k3k78 <Xxxxxxx > jagbir singh <adishakti_org > Monday, March 3, 2008 10:28:40 AM > Hello Jagbir > > Dear Jagbir, > Doing a search nepal living goddess > these news people are just crying out for a goddess > to run news on at the moment ? > me agree with you something really really really wrong > with sy those in charge > 38 years now still the world knows ziltch about sy > thats 38 years THIRTY EIGHT years > personaly i dont give any hope for the so called > sy organistion mr magoo would do better job. > > (1) sy needs just tell the truth which impiles also > to others. > else how will others know > > (2) we can agree the goddess within ok > like you said silence on self > > > regards > > Xxxxxxxx > Dear Xxxxxxxx and all, Sorry for the delay in responding as i was a bit busy elsewhere. The last time you wrote i responded thus: " April 18, 2007 Dear devotees of the Primordial Mother, Namaskaar - i bow to the Holy Spirit who resides in you. Today is a great day, at least for me personally. Today is Tuesday. Wonderful news and special events always seem to happen on Tuesdays, the day homage is paid to Shri Ganesha. i received an email from an disillusioned anti-SY who had left the organization a long time ago, probably in the 1980s. i know this person from the anti-SY forum where he was a prominent member and founding father. But i always felt that he had a good heart despite his anti-SY stance (and thus always treated him with respect). Today my faith in him has come a full circle - i feel peace.... /message/7782 " Yes, 38 years have passed and 99.99% of the world knows ziltch about Shri Mataji. Even though it is 11.59 pm the WCASY, Sir CP, the rank and file still do not have the realization that something is very, very, very wrong with the way they have always tried to spread Sahaja Yoga i.e., " Just give self-realization " . They still think this is the only way to reach the masses ......... despite 38 years of consistent failure, rejection and ridicule. For 38 years they have tried every means to spread the vision and message of Shri Mataji, ............... every means except being honest and straightforward as Shri Mataji had been. Even with 1 minute left before midnight they still do not want to try the only approach they never had tried - telling the plain truth! i have absolutely no idea why they don`t want to be truthful. No one seems to know why. Those who have tried to get an answer are always met with the Great Wall of Silence, and told to " Just give self-realization " . The rare one who persisted was told by the leader that the status quo must be followed. Just in case we wonder what is missing from this official SY status quo, i will quote Alex: " It is astonishing that the sahaja yogis, who believe Shri Mataji to be the savior of humanity prophecied by many religious scriptures, have not the conviction to promote her to the world openly, honestly and unashamedly as that. Promotion of the savior will draw more serious attention from many more people than do the current vague claims about stress relief and peace of mind. This lack of conviction speaks volumes and is the same reason they fail to respond to those who challenge SY. You simply can't be one thing and then attempt to portray yourself as another - no matter how clever you are, it shows and people see it very clearly. This is called hypocrisy. It indicates the vast majority of sahaja yogis are in a state of denial. On the premise that Shri Mataji is indeed the Adi Shakti, on what basis do the sahaja yogis take it upon themselves to discriminate as to whom is delivered the message of her present incarnation and by what convoluted process that message is selectively delivered? To take upon themselves to make such discriminations is an expression of an elitist, missionary culture motivated by power and authority over others. The message must be very plain and simple if every person on the planet is to be afforded the opportunity to draw their own conclusions about the goddess incarnate. Why do the sahaja yogis make something so simple so complicated?. Why are they doing so poor a job in telling the world of Shri Mataji, when as the goddess she will surely stand and be recognised as the reality they claim she is? My parting word is that like it or not, Shri Mataji and her sahaja yogis must face the issues presented by those who challenge them. Intelligent response is required and what remains to be seen is whether they are capable of this. The longer they avoid it, the more SY will be clearly identified to be lacking in credibility and its members in integrity. The more they will appear to be a cultish throw- back to the dark ages. I recommend the sahaja yogis today change their whole approach and start promoting SY as what it is - a religion focused around a personality who has claimed, and is understood by them, to be the Adi Shakti, divine mother of the universe. This is, after all, the year of exposure for SY. May truth prevail. " Yes, may truth prevail after 38 years of deliberate collective dishonesty. Anyone has any idea how long is 38 years? Can anyone name me a single spiritual or religious organization that have consciously lied that long? To make it easier to get a positive answer: Can anyone name me a single self-realized soul or believer in God Almighty who did so ........... since the dawn of civilization? Then how is it possible for tens of thousands to so easily do exactly that so today? What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on destroying the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost succeeded! regards to all, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on > destroying the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost > succeeded! > > regards to all, > > > jagbir Dear Jagbir and All, i believe that the nature of this negativity is on two fronts, i.e. we have both leaders and followers who are making mistakes and not realizing it. The leaders are making the mistake of following their own ideas, instead of listening to the external incarnation, Shri Mataji. If they are not listening to the external Shri Mataji, how can they hope to please the internal Shri Mataji, who is the Holy Spirit? The same goes for the followers. If firstly they listen to the leaders that follow their own ideas, instead of what Shri Mataji is telling them, how can the followers please the Holy Spirit within? It is not surprising that if the Holy Spirit is not listened to and therefore becomes hurt, that the heart chakra will also 'catch'. The individual Spirit and the Holy Spirit are very closely connected. To what extent do Sahaja Yogis really understand this? " Just giving self-realization " like the leaders want the followers to do, is a Sahaj Game. It is not the real Sahaja Yoga. SYS who are just playing the " Just-give-self-realization " game, are not using all their knowledge (gnosis), nor all the tools at their disposal, to board the Ship and sail forward in full confidence to give Her Divine Message to the world-at-large. The " nature of the negativity that is bent on destroying the promised salvation of humanity..... and almost succeeded " , must surely include the following dangers that Shri Mataji spoke about at Caxton Hall, England in 1979. They are: 1. Going to the extent of cleaning the outer temple of the body so that a religion of first importance is given to that, while the most important part which is to be given to God, becomes of second importance. 2. Akarmanyata - not wanting to work things out due to laziness. 3. Akramanyata - losing one's vibrations, therefore not believing in them, but still coming back to Shri Mataji for healing, without ever equipping oneself with one's own inner spiritual healing from the Divine Mother/Holy Spirit Within. 4. Sanshaya - doubting what one has received, i.e. " doubting one's connection to the Divine " even though one has felt the Cool Breeze, thus proving that connection. 5. Pramada - making mistakes, but not realizing that one is making mistakes. 6. Bhrama-darshan - having fanciful ideas about oneself, that leads to lies or deceit. Shri Mataji describes this SY as one who is " cock-sure " about themself, but at the same time does not have mastery over their own vibrations, but will tell everyone else that 'this' or 'that' has no vibrations. This person is living in an illusion about themself, believing their own ideas about themself. 7. Vishaya Chitta - an attention that is still stuck on past misidentifications with external objects, rather than identifying with one's Spirit. regards to all, violet > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > k3k78 <Xxxxxxx@> > > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@> > > Monday, March 3, 2008 10:28:40 AM > > Hello Jagbir > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > Doing a search nepal living goddess > > these news people are just crying out for a goddess > > to run news on at the moment ? > > me agree with you something really really really wrong > > with sy those in charge > > 38 years now still the world knows ziltch about sy > > thats 38 years THIRTY EIGHT years > > personaly i dont give any hope for the so called > > sy organistion mr magoo would do better job. > > > > (1) sy needs just tell the truth which impiles also > > to others. > > else how will others know > > > > (2) we can agree the goddess within ok > > like you said silence on self > > > > > > regards > > > > Xxxxxxxx > > > > Dear Xxxxxxxx and all, > > Sorry for the delay in responding as i was a bit busy elsewhere. > > The last time you wrote i responded thus: > > " April 18, 2007 > > Dear devotees of the Primordial Mother, > > Namaskaar - i bow to the Holy Spirit who resides in you. > > Today is a great day, at least for me personally. Today is Tuesday. > Wonderful news and special events always seem to happen on Tuesdays, > the day homage is paid to Shri Ganesha. > > i received an email from an disillusioned anti-SY who had left the > organization a long time ago, probably in the 1980s. i know this > person from the anti-SY forum where he was a prominent member and > founding father. But i always felt that he had a good heart despite > his anti-SY stance (and thus always treated him with respect). Today > my faith in him has come a full circle - i feel peace.... > > /message/7782 " > > > Yes, 38 years have passed and 99.99% of the world knows ziltch about > Shri Mataji. Even though it is 11.59 pm the WCASY, Sir CP, the rank > and file still do not have the realization that something is very, > very, very wrong with the way they have always tried to spread Sahaja > Yoga i.e., " Just give self-realization " . They still think this is the > only way to reach the masses ......... despite 38 years of consistent > failure, rejection and ridicule. > > For 38 years they have tried every means to spread the vision and > message of Shri Mataji, ............... every means except being > honest and straightforward as Shri Mataji had been. Even with 1 minute > left before midnight they still do not want to try the only approach > they never had tried - telling the plain truth! i have absolutely no > idea why they don`t want to be truthful. No one seems to know why. > > Those who have tried to get an answer are always met with the Great > Wall of Silence, and told to " Just give self-realization " . The rare > one who persisted was told by the leader that the status quo must be > followed. Just in case we wonder what is missing from this official > SY status quo, i will quote Alex: > > " It is astonishing that the sahaja yogis, who believe Shri Mataji to > be the savior of humanity prophecied by many religious scriptures, > have not the conviction to promote her to the world openly, honestly > and unashamedly as that. Promotion of the savior will draw more > serious attention from many more people than do the current vague > claims about stress relief and peace of mind. This lack of conviction > speaks volumes and is the same reason they fail to respond to those > who challenge SY. You simply can't be one thing and then attempt to > portray yourself as another - no matter how clever you are, it shows > and people see it very clearly. This is called hypocrisy. It > indicates the vast majority of sahaja yogis are in a state of denial. > > On the premise that Shri Mataji is indeed the Adi Shakti, on what > basis do the sahaja yogis take it upon themselves to discriminate as > to whom is delivered the message of her present incarnation and by > what convoluted process that message is selectively delivered? To > take upon themselves to make such discriminations is an expression of > an elitist, missionary culture motivated by power and authority over > others. The message must be very plain and simple if every person on > the planet is to be afforded the opportunity to draw their own > conclusions about the goddess incarnate. Why do the sahaja yogis make > something so simple so complicated?. Why are they doing so poor a job > in telling the world of Shri Mataji, when as the goddess she will surely stand and be recognised as the reality they claim she is? > > My parting word is that like it or not, Shri Mataji and her sahaja > yogis must face the issues presented by those who challenge them. > Intelligent response is required and what remains to be seen is > whether they are capable of this. The longer they avoid it, the more > SY will be clearly identified to be lacking in credibility and its > members in integrity. The more they will appear to be a cultish throw- > back to the dark ages. I recommend the sahaja yogis today change > their whole approach and start promoting SY as what it is - a > religion focused around a personality who has claimed, and is > understood by them, to be the Adi Shakti, divine mother of the > universe. This is, after all, the year of exposure for SY. > > May truth prevail. " > > > Yes, may truth prevail after 38 years of deliberate collective > dishonesty. Anyone has any idea how long is 38 years? Can anyone name > me a single spiritual or religious organization that have consciously > lied that long? To make it easier to get a positive answer: Can > anyone name me a single self-realized soul or believer in God > Almighty who did so ........... since the dawn of civilization? Then > how is it possible for tens of thousands to so easily do exactly that > so today? > > What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on destroying > the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost succeeded! > > regards to all, > > > jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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