Guest guest Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Dear All, i know i am repeating this, but in Part 11 (appended), i have found a momentous quote from Shri Mataji, for Easter! Shri Mataji explains the clear difference in the 'jump' from 'thoughtless awareness' to 'doubtless awareness'. From what Shri Mataji says, it can be clearly inferred that when a person is not yet doubtlessly aware, that their Kundalini will only rise when they manually raise the Kundalini with their hands, until they start using their enlightened attention and get into the state of doubtless awareness, and the Kundalini will rise and register without necessarily raising the Kundalini with one's hands. But that requires " working it out " and takes a complete surrender to the Holy Spirit. How many Sahaja Yogis are willing to do that?! To surrender to the Holy Spirit fully, means that in terms of your walk with God, you do not listen to what man (or 'mammon') says, but you listen to what God says, in your heart. True spiritual leaders, listen to what God says, in their heart. People who listen to what God says, are truly in spiritual union; their Spirit agrees with the Holy Spirit, and they are collectively united in Spirit and in truth! You cannot have " two " masters. That must be understood, also. In unity, there is only One Master, which is the Holy Spirit, in Union with the individual spirit within. i can confirm that from personal experience, that if i put my attention above my head, the Kundalini 'registers'. So, yes, i am excited to find this quote because we have had SYS tell us that you have to raise the Kundalini manually, otherwise it won't raise. You see, we have to know what Shri Mataji said about things, not what mammon says about things, or what the WCASY priesthood say about things. Shri Mataji says it in a subtle way, but nevertheless it is " most clear " ! Here it is!: " From thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. Unless and until that happens to you, it is not My [state], but is a state in which the Kundalini will [only] rise whenever you raise your hands. Unless and until you've achieved that state [of doubtless awareness], please try and work it out. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk 'The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization', Caxton Hall, England - 10/12/79) We concluded Part 10 with: " Then there are two more states in which a Kundalini which rises [and] also falls down. This is an inherent danger in a person. Many people have asked me: " Mother, if we get realization, does it stay? " Part of it does stay. Sometimes it is a very thin part of it. Sometimes the whole thing is sucked back. It is sucked back. If so, then you will say: " We start doubting " . Where is it written that you will be lifted up and put into something great, whatever may be your problems? Is it possible? Even from here [England], if I have to go to India, I have to get innoculations and vaccinations. I have to get my passport [and] go through an interview. When you have to enter into the Kingdom of God, then you are going to be judged. Not only judged, but even, supposing you are given a grace mark and allowed to get into the plane, they may ask you to get down [off the plane]. That happens with some people when the Kundalini falls down. It is a very dangerous sign! It comes through problems like wrong Gurus and going to wrong places; also going to spirits and doing black magic; also bowing before people who are not incarnations, worshipping wrong type of deities, and also doing mad rituals, fasting at wrong times, and not understanding the signs of fasting and of ritualism and chakras and connections and complete synthesis of Sahaja Yoga. In some people, you have seen that the Kundalini rises and immediately falls down. This is a very dangerous thing. It is really troublesome also. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk, The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization, Caxton Hall, England – 10 December, 1979) Here then, is the final – Part 11, where Shri Mataji talks about the last danger. violet The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization - Part 11 The last danger which you should know about is that you start feeling that you have become God, or like an incarnation or something. This is the biggest danger! Then you start taking the law into your own hands and start ordering others [about], or doing all kinds of high-handed business, or [you might] get over-satisfied with yourself. This is a very big danger! Humility is the only way to know that there is an ocean before you. You have got into the boat alright, but you have to know a lot, you have to understand a lot. And you have still to attend to your attention, to your Chitta, to your awareness. And you have still to " work it out " in such a way that you really establish yourself as a full-fledged Sahaja Yogi, by which collectivity becomes a part and parcel of your being, by which you have no doubts left. [break Quote] [Note]: Folks, if we remember, Shri Mataji taught that collectivity is not where we are stuck like glue to one another, but " where there is no other (ananya) " , whereby one person can be in Canada and another in Australia, for example, and still be connected. It is connection through the Union with the Divine Within, whereby one becomes part and parcel of the ocean of collectivity. It is a spiritual connection, rather than a physical connection, in other words! [End Note] [Resume Quote]: From thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. Unless and until that happens to you, it is not My [state], but is a state in which the Kundalini will [only] rise whenever you raise your hands. Unless and until you've achieved that state [of doubtless awareness] please try and work it out. Do not be lazy. You have to see around yourself; meet people; talk to them. The more you talk about it, the more you do it. The more you give it, the more it will flow. The more you sit at home, 'Oh, I am doing my puja at home'! Nothing [doing]! It will stagnate and stagnate. You have to give it to others. You have to give it to more and more people. Thousands of them have to have it! [break Quote] [Note]: Folks, i remember some yogis would not want to do collective activities with others, and stayed home, thinking it was all about themselves, and their own self-realisation, and not really caring about the " thousands " that need to hear Shri Mataji's Message. Now, we have the internet thankfully! i can't remember what year it came in now, but in 1979 it was not there yet. i remember Shri Mataji saying, when the internet came in, that it was the Gift of Shri Vishnumaya, and it would help Her Message to go out to the world-at-large. So that is how we are now reaching hopefully " thousands and thousands " of people - people that may never be reached, otherwise!] [Resume Quote]: Thousands of them have to have it! And that's why it is important that you do not get bloated with the idea that you have all the powers of the world already manifesting. When these powers really manifest you are never aware of them. Absolutely! I mean, imagine the sun saying, I am the sun. Does he say he is the sun! 'What's there?' If you go and ask the sun, Are you the sun?, He will say, Yes, by the way, I am; what can I do about it? It's that simple. You become a very simple person. Absolutely simple! Because, there is no camouflage, no complication. You are that. So if anybody asks you a 'funny' question you say, by the way, what is there to ask? It is true. I mean, I am a realized soul. I am. What does it matter? We have to go to Sahaja Yoga [union with the Divine Within], with this understanding. I must say, I am surprised how it is working miraculously. And it is working out! But it's you, who can settle it within yourself! Now, among you, some are only on the periphery. We keep them on the periphery. That you know very well. Some of them come in the centre. And there are some, very few, who are in the inner circle. All of them are in a state where they can be thrown out like a tangent goes out, you see. And then you do not understand why a Sahaja Yogi behaved like that. If you see some Sahaja Yogi behaving like that, going at a tangent, know that you might do the same. So be careful. So today at this juncture when we are celebrating a great event of Christ's life, let us know Christ is born within us. And the Bethlehem is within us. You do not have to go to Bethlehem. It is within us. He is there and we have to look after it. It is still a child. You have to respect it. And you have to look after it. So the fight really grows and people know that you are realized souls. Nobody will doubt that. May God Bless You All. (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Formal Talk 'The Message of Christ and the Inherent Dangers of Sustaining the Realization', Caxton Hall, England - 10/12/79) [Written in the English way with the meaning of what Shri Mataji gave being retained] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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