Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Jagbir and All, Mahesh is to be commended for sending the material and links of http://www.adishakti.org and http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ and http://www.sahajayoga.org to many Muslim sites. It is a beautiful email that he sent to the Muslim sites, all of which cannot be seen in the appended email, which has words also highlighted in it, from the work that Jagbir has done. In fact, most of the work, is the work Jagbir has done, and Mahesh basically made a beautiful covering letter, using Shri Mataji's Words. Jagbir encourages that. That is what we are about - getting Her Message of the Resurrection and Last Judgment out there, and we encourage all Sahaja Yogis to work together with us. We accept and embrace all, warmly, and always forgive any past misunderstandings, if there have been such. There is nothing to prevent us all working together. Shri Mataji encourages this, of Sahaja Yogis, as shown by Her talk on " LOVE " , which She gave most recently. The appended email was also sent to every SY in the Toronto collective as well. It was brave of Mahesh, considering that the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga have labelled Jagbir's sites as 'unofficial'. But Mahesh knows they are in agreement with Shri Mataji's teachings, otherwise he would not have sent them, or even mentioned these sites. Apparently after sending the appended letter to the Muslims, and to the local Toronto yogis, the 'official' Sahaja Yogis felt the need to set all the SYS back on the right spiritual path again. Apparently, they sent all the SYS of the Toronto collective an email, not demanding of course, but only advising, that they only read the 'official' sites of Sahaja Yoga. They also apparently gave them a long list of 'official' Sahaj sites, just to be sure, to keep on the right spiritual path for their spiritual liberation. Mahesh must have endured some frustration, with all this knowledge freely given here, and at the fingertips, and yet labelled by 'officials' as 'unofficial'. It is natural to want to please the 'officials' as well as to want to please Shri Mataji. i would like to have done that too. But i found out i couldn't do justice to both, unfortunately. i have never heard Shri Mataji use 'official' and 'unofficial' labels. Truth is what it is. It is the Absolute Truth. That's what She's always said! There is no 'official' or 'unofficial' Absolute Truth! As Sahaja Yoga is the Absolute Truth, there can't really be an 'official Sahaja Yoga' and an 'unofficial Sahaja Yoga'! So this labelling has to be a mental concept only. Relative truth is different, and is what we know as the tenets of a religion that have been formed out of the teachings of an incarnation. That is, there is the Absolute Truth, and then there are the rules, regulations, rituals, and customs, that are formed in a religion. The rules, regulations, rituals, and customs cannot be called the Absolute Truth, because they vary from religion to religion. In Sahaja Yoga, we are supposed to be more discriminating. Shri Mataji said She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings. But by labelling some of the things Shri Mataji gave as 'official' and some other aspects of what Shri Mataji gave as 'unofficial' the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga are managing, manipulating, limiting and therefore, in that way, editing Her Message. Like Mahesh has done to a certain extent, we all want to work together. There does not need to be labels of 'official' and 'unofficial' to divide us. Maybe, time and the new generations coming up will change things, hopefully, if they are not changed in our generation. There is no reason Sahaja Yogis should be divided. Remember the " Love " Message that Shri Mataji gave in a recent talk, which has not been posted here though, but She talked about the great need for LOVE. We don't need 'Official Talk'; we need more real love in action, more open communication, more acceptance, more toleration. If Sahaja Yogis can't even work together, but have to be made 'unofficial' or have to be firstly made 'official', how is Shri Mataji's Message ever going to get out there? Everyone needs to work together, unofficially, if necessary. 'Unofficial' may be the best way, so that there are not so many 'official' restrictions, which Shri Mataji Herself never made! If everyone does the right thing like Mahesh did, or at least tried to do, then soon the 'officials' would also become 'unofficial' and get off their high horses and work for unity instead of trying to divide SY from SY, as they are doing. Here then, is that wonderful email. Thanks, Mahesh, for not regarding us as 'unofficial' here, just because some 'official' Sahaja Yogis have labelled us as such, not that it worries us - but it was a nice gesture, anyway. Just as i am sure most Sahaja Yogis also strive for, our highest priority is for the kingdom of God. love to all who are working for the kingdom of God on earth, violet Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother GeoIslam ; 7alat_al_ummah ; Al-basma ; al_e7saan ; Alfagr-alislamy ; arab-night ; Arab_Q ; asd_al_islam_elmasry2 ; assunnah ; badr_elislam ; bmmi ; bo_3omar2003 ; Cinta_Rasul ; d3wtna ; daar_ul_muslimeen ; DiscoveringIslam ; DiscussionforMuslimsOhio ; dostii ; Elhadidy_NET ; eramuslim ; FriendsMailz ; history_islam ; horras_el3aqedah ; icdncr_ud ; ingatan ; insideISLAM ; Islam-Global_Religion ; Islam-Science ; Islam_Muslims; islam_peace_and_understanding ; islamcarahidupku ; islamic-ebook ; Islamic_circle ; Islamic_dream ; islamic_events ; islamic_liberality ; islamic_professionals ; islamic_ways ; IslamicMinds ; islamicreflections ; IslamIstheTruth ; IT_Jobs_Freshers ; karachians ; London_Muslim ; Lowongan_kerja_untuk_ikhwahfillah ; madinaway ; morrishscienceofamerica ; Muslim_Rose ; MUSLIMS_ARE_COMING ; the_ansars maheshkhatri Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:45:25 -0700 [sahajayogaToronto] Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother Hello As you all acknowledge the mother, it is time for all seekers of truth to know that the mother referred is none other than her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Muslims, Hindus, Christians and all have to evolve to a higher state " That you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that you have to become a Pir, that you have to become a Brahmin - all these descriptions have come to us from all the great scriptures. It is very easy to say that we don't believe in God, we don't believe in any Incarnation, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in any religion, we don't believe into anything; is very easy to say. Even it is easy to say that we believe in them, we believe in God, we believe in Christ, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are equally the same. When you believe in God you believe in the darkness and ignorance, and when you do not believe in Him also you are in ignorance. By believing into you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with it. Of course it shows that you are conscious of some Power which is beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in the case if you go to these extremes in this kind of faith then you start only believing in Christ, only believing in Muhammad, only believing in Krishna - I mean depending on where you are born. How human beings are so narrow-minded? If you are born in England either you will be a Catholic, or a Protestant, or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into anything because you are localized in a place; there has been some identifications because your mother believed into something, because your father believed into something, or you paid for it. And this faith can become such a blinding effect on people that you develop absurd types of groups which call themselves as Christians, Hindus, Muslims - whatever you may say - and are extremely, extremely exclusive, blind, and fanatic. Today one of the problems of the times of the modern times is fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try to get out of this fanaticism, it grows more. " Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, Being Born Again May 12, 1980 - Caxton Hall, London, U.K. Links to explore http://www.sahajayoga.org http://www.adishakti.org http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear All, Mahesh's example is exactly how so-called 'official' Sahaja Yoga and so-called 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga can work together very beautifully. All that has to happen is for so-called 'officials' to do the same as Mahesh, i.e. overcome their lack of tolerance and mental concept of 'official' and 'unofficial'. Those words are a tool they have used to divide SY from SY. There is no logical reason nor spiritual sense why this should continue. It " does not serve " the Sahaj Sangha. If a label were to be put to the labelling, it would have to be called religious discrimination. And religious discrimination can only occur, when first a religion is made around the teachings of an incarnation. And Shri Mataji did not want a religion created out of Her teachings of Truth, " just because " 'officials' can then use the religion to label people as 'official' or 'unofficial', or to label the work they do for the kingdom of God as 'official' or 'unofficial' Really! Who do they really think they are! They are not Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji never labelled anyone as 'official' or 'unofficial', nor did She ever label any work anyone did for Her, as 'official' or 'unofficial'. i say that the work that 'officials' are doing to divide SY from SY, is absolutely and equivocally 'unofficial' in the kingdom of God Itself. But maybe, they have not contemplated deeply enough on that, which they are doing. But like Martin Luther King says: " We shall overcome! " Yes, we all shall overcome, but Sahaja Yogis really have to stop being so 'cowed' by this 'official' and 'unofficial' labelling, which is really only a managerial tactic, when it comes down to it. It really has " nothing whatsoever " to do with Sahaja Yoga! Please, Sahaja Yogis, please all wake up, to what is happening since a religion has been formed from Shri Mataji's teachings. There is in Reality, no 'official' or 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga. There is only the Absolute Truth which we all just need to live in our lives. Love to All, violet , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > Mahesh is to be commended for sending the material and links of http://www.adishakti.org and http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ and http://www.sahajayoga.org to many Muslim sites. It is a beautiful email that he sent to the Muslim sites, all of which cannot be seen in the appended email, which has words also highlighted in it, from the work that Jagbir has done. In fact, most of the work, is the work Jagbir has done, and Mahesh basically made a beautiful covering letter, using Shri Mataji's Words. Jagbir encourages that. That is what we are about - getting Her Message of the Resurrection and Last Judgment out there, and we encourage all Sahaja Yogis to work together with us. We accept and embrace all, warmly, and always forgive any past misunderstandings, if there have been such. There is nothing to prevent us all working together. Shri Mataji encourages this, of Sahaja Yogis, as shown by Her talk on " LOVE " , which She gave most recently. > > The appended email was also sent to every SY in the Toronto collective as well. It was brave of Mahesh, considering that the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga have labelled Jagbir's sites as 'unofficial'. But Mahesh knows they are in agreement with Shri Mataji's teachings, otherwise he would not have sent them, or even mentioned these sites. Apparently after sending the appended letter to the Muslims, and to the local Toronto yogis, the 'official' Sahaja Yogis felt the need to set all the SYS back on the right spiritual path again. Apparently, they sent all the SYS of the Toronto collective an email, not demanding of course, but only advising, that they only read the 'official' sites of Sahaja Yoga. They also apparently gave them a long list of 'official' Sahaj sites, just to be sure, to keep on the right spiritual path for their spiritual liberation. > > Mahesh must have endured some frustration, with all this knowledge freely given here, and at the fingertips, and yet labelled by 'officials' as 'unofficial'. It is natural to want to please the 'officials' as well as to want to please Shri Mataji. i would like to have done that too. But i found out i couldn't do justice to both, unfortunately. i have never heard Shri Mataji use 'official' and 'unofficial' labels. Truth is what it is. It is the Absolute Truth. That's what She's always said! There is no 'official' or 'unofficial' Absolute Truth! As Sahaja Yoga is the Absolute Truth, there can't really be an 'official Sahaja Yoga' and an 'unofficial Sahaja Yoga'! So this labelling has to be a mental concept only. > > Relative truth is different, and is what we know as the tenets of a religion that have been formed out of the teachings of an incarnation. That is, there is the Absolute Truth, and then there are the rules, regulations, rituals, and customs, that are formed in a religion. The rules, regulations, rituals, and customs cannot be called the Absolute Truth, because they vary from religion to religion. In Sahaja Yoga, we are supposed to be more discriminating. Shri Mataji said She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings. But by labelling some of the things Shri Mataji gave as 'official' and some other aspects of what Shri Mataji gave as 'unofficial' the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga are managing, manipulating, limiting and therefore, in that way, editing Her Message. > > Like Mahesh has done to a certain extent, we all want to work together. There does not need to be labels of 'official' and 'unofficial' to divide us. Maybe, time and the new generations coming up will change things, hopefully, if they are not changed in our generation. There is no reason Sahaja Yogis should be divided. Remember the " Love " Message that Shri Mataji gave in a recent talk, which has not been posted here though, but She talked about the great need for LOVE. We don't need 'Official Talk'; we need more real love in action, more open communication, more acceptance, more toleration. If Sahaja Yogis can't even work together, but have to be made 'unofficial' or have to be firstly made 'official', how is Shri Mataji's Message ever going to get out there? Everyone needs to work together, unofficially, if necessary. 'Unofficial' may be the best way, so that there are not so many 'official' restrictions, which Shri Mataji Herself never made! > > If everyone does the right thing like Mahesh did, or at least tried to do, then soon the 'officials' would also become 'unofficial' and get off their high horses and work for unity instead of trying to divide SY from SY, as they are doing. > > Here then, is that wonderful email. Thanks, Mahesh, for not regarding us as 'unofficial' here, just because some 'official' Sahaja Yogis have labelled us as such, not that it worries us - but it was a nice gesture, anyway. Just as i am sure most Sahaja Yogis also strive for, our highest priority is for the kingdom of God. > > love to all who are working for the kingdom of God on earth, > > violet > > > Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > GeoIslam ; 7alat_al_ummah ; > Al-basma ; al_e7saan ; > Alfagr-alislamy ; arab-night ; > Arab_Q ; asd_al_islam_elmasry2 ; > assunnah ; badr_elislam ; > bmmi ; bo_3omar2003 ; > Cinta_Rasul ; d3wtna ; > daar_ul_muslimeen ; DiscoveringIslam ; > DiscussionforMuslimsOhio ; dostii ; > Elhadidy_NET ; eramuslim ; > FriendsMailz ; history_islam ; > horras_el3aqedah ; icdncr_ud ; > ingatan ; insideISLAM ; > Islam-Global_Religion ; Islam-Science ; > Islam_Muslims; > islam_peace_and_understanding ; > islamcarahidupku ; islamic-ebook ; > Islamic_circle ; Islamic_dream ; > islamic_events ; islamic_liberality ; > islamic_professionals ; islamic_ways ; > IslamicMinds ; islamicreflections ; > IslamIstheTruth ; IT_Jobs_Freshers ; > karachians ; London_Muslim ; > Lowongan_kerja_untuk_ikhwahfillah ; > madinaway ; morrishscienceofamerica ; > Muslim_Rose ; MUSLIMS_ARE_COMING ; > the_ansars > maheshkhatri > Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:45:25 -0700 > [sahajayogaToronto] Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > Hello > > As you all acknowledge the mother, it is time for all seekers of truth to know that the mother referred is none other than her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. > > > Muslims, Hindus, Christians and all have to evolve to a higher state > > " That you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that you have to become a Pir, that you have to become a Brahmin - all these descriptions have come to us from all the great scriptures. It is very easy to say that we don't believe in God, we don't believe in any Incarnation, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in any religion, we don't believe into anything; is very easy to say. Even it is easy to say that we believe in them, we believe in God, we believe in Christ, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are equally the same. > > When you believe in God you believe in the darkness and ignorance, and when you do not believe in Him also you are in ignorance. By believing into you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with it. Of course it shows that you are conscious of some Power which is beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in the case if you go to these extremes in this kind of faith then you start only believing in Christ, only believing in Muhammad, only believing in Krishna - I mean depending on where you are born. How human beings are so narrow-minded? > > If you are born in England either you will be a Catholic, or a Protestant, or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into anything because you are localized in a place; there has been some identifications because your mother believed into something, because your father believed into something, or you paid for it. And this faith can become such a blinding effect on people that you develop absurd types of groups which call themselves as Christians, Hindus, Muslims - whatever you may say - and are extremely, extremely exclusive, blind, and fanatic. > > Today one of the problems of the times of the modern times is fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try to get out of this fanaticism, it grows more. " > > Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, Being Born Again > May 12, 1980 - Caxton Hall, London, U.K. > > Links to explore > > http://www.sahajayoga.org > http://www.adishakti.org > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear All, i would like to add one more thing. Labelling only serves the interest of a few 'official' Sahaja Yogis, so they can control the lives of all other Sahaja Yogis. Why should Sahaja Yogis have to ask 'official' Sahaja Yogis for permission for everything? Can't SYS think for themselves too? Do 'official' SYS now have to be asked for permission to even become a Sahaja Yogi? i don't know if i am expressing this clearly, but what i really want to say, is that if we all give our control over to the 'official' SYS, then we no longer have control over our lives anymore. And why do 'official' SYS " want " or " need " that much control anyway? Just so they can " rule " and have an earthly kingdom? Just like all the other religions have done too? violet , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear All, > > Mahesh's example is exactly how so-called 'official' Sahaja Yoga and so-called 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga can work together very beautifully. All that has to happen is for so-called 'officials' to do the same as Mahesh, i.e. overcome their lack of tolerance and mental concept of 'official' and 'unofficial'. Those words are a tool they have used to divide SY from SY. There is no logical reason nor spiritual sense why this should continue. It " does not serve " the Sahaj Sangha. If a label were to be put to the labelling, it would have to be called religious discrimination. And religious discrimination can only occur, when first a religion is made around the teachings of an incarnation. And Shri Mataji did not want a religion created out of Her teachings of Truth, " just because " 'officials' can then use the religion to label people as 'official' or 'unofficial', or to label the work they do for the kingdom of God as 'official' or 'unofficial' Really! Who do they really think they are! They are not Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji never labelled anyone as 'official' or 'unofficial', nor did She ever label any work anyone did for Her, as 'official' or 'unofficial'. i say that the work that 'officials' are doing to divide SY from SY, is absolutely and equivocally 'unofficial' in the kingdom of God Itself. But maybe, they have not contemplated deeply enough on that, which they are doing. But like Martin Luther King says: " We shall overcome! " Yes, we all shall overcome, but Sahaja Yogis really have to stop being so 'cowed' by this 'official' and 'unofficial' labelling, which is really only a managerial tactic, when it comes down to it. It really has " nothing whatsoever " to do with Sahaja Yoga! > > Please, Sahaja Yogis, please all wake up, to what is happening since a religion has been formed from Shri Mataji's teachings. There is in Reality, no 'official' or 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga. There is only the Absolute Truth which we all just need to live in our lives. > > Love to All, > > violet > > > > , " Violet " <violetubb@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > Mahesh is to be commended for sending the material and links of > http://www.adishakti.org and http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ and > http://www.sahajayoga.org to many Muslim sites. It is a beautiful > email that he sent to the Muslim sites, all of which cannot be seen in > the appended email, which has words also highlighted in it, from the > work that Jagbir has done. In fact, most of the work, is the work > Jagbir has done, and Mahesh basically made a beautiful covering > letter, using Shri Mataji's Words. Jagbir encourages that. That is > what we are about - getting Her Message of the Resurrection and Last > Judgment out there, and we encourage all Sahaja Yogis to work together > with us. We accept and embrace all, warmly, and always forgive any > past misunderstandings, if there have been such. There is nothing to > prevent us all working together. Shri Mataji encourages this, of > Sahaja Yogis, as shown by Her talk on " LOVE " , which She gave most > recently. > > > > The appended email was also sent to every SY in the Toronto > collective as well. It was brave of Mahesh, considering that the > 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga have labelled Jagbir's sites as > 'unofficial'. But Mahesh knows they are in agreement with Shri > Mataji's teachings, otherwise he would not have sent them, or even > mentioned these sites. Apparently after sending the appended letter to > the Muslims, and to the local Toronto yogis, the 'official' Sahaja > Yogis felt the need to set all the SYS back on the right spiritual > path again. Apparently, they sent all the SYS of the Toronto > collective an email, not demanding of course, but only advising, that > they only read the 'official' sites of Sahaja Yoga. They also > apparently gave them a long list of 'official' Sahaj sites, just to be > sure, to keep on the right spiritual path for their spiritual liberation. > > > > Mahesh must have endured some frustration, with all this knowledge > freely given here, and at the fingertips, and yet labelled by > 'officials' as 'unofficial'. It is natural to want to please the > 'officials' as well as to want to please Shri Mataji. i would like to > have done that too. But i found out i couldn't do justice to both, > unfortunately. i have never heard Shri Mataji use 'official' and > 'unofficial' labels. Truth is what it is. It is the Absolute Truth. > That's what She's always said! There is no 'official' or 'unofficial' > Absolute Truth! As Sahaja Yoga is the Absolute Truth, there can't > really be an 'official Sahaja Yoga' and an 'unofficial Sahaja Yoga'! > So this labelling has to be a mental concept only. > > > > Relative truth is different, and is what we know as the tenets of a > religion that have been formed out of the teachings of an incarnation. > That is, there is the Absolute Truth, and then there are the rules, > regulations, rituals, and customs, that are formed in a religion. The > rules, regulations, rituals, and customs cannot be called the Absolute > Truth, because they vary from religion to religion. In Sahaja Yoga, we > are supposed to be more discriminating. Shri Mataji said She hoped we > would not make a religion out of Her teachings. But by labelling some > of the things Shri Mataji gave as 'official' and some other aspects of > what Shri Mataji gave as 'unofficial' the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga > are managing, manipulating, limiting and therefore, in that way, > editing Her Message. > > > > Like Mahesh has done to a certain extent, we all want to work > together. There does not need to be labels of 'official' and > 'unofficial' to divide us. Maybe, time and the new generations coming > up will change things, hopefully, if they are not changed in our > generation. There is no reason Sahaja Yogis should be divided. > Remember the " Love " Message that Shri Mataji gave in a recent talk, > which has not been posted here though, but She talked about the great > need for LOVE. We don't need 'Official Talk'; we need more real love > in action, more open communication, more acceptance, more toleration. > If Sahaja Yogis can't even work together, but have to be made > 'unofficial' or have to be firstly made 'official', how is Shri > Mataji's Message ever going to get out there? Everyone needs to work > together, unofficially, if necessary. 'Unofficial' may be the best > way, so that there are not so many 'official' restrictions, which Shri > Mataji Herself never made! > > > > If everyone does the right thing like Mahesh did, or at least tried > to do, then soon the 'officials' would also become 'unofficial' and > get off their high horses and work for unity instead of trying to > divide SY from SY, as they are doing. > > > > Here then, is that wonderful email. Thanks, Mahesh, for not > regarding us as 'unofficial' here, just because some 'official' Sahaja > Yogis have labelled us as such, not that it worries us - but it was a > nice gesture, anyway. Just as i am sure most Sahaja Yogis also strive > for, our highest priority is for the kingdom of God. > > > > love to all who are working for the kingdom of God on earth, > > > > violet > > > > > > Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > GeoIslam ; 7alat_al_ummah ; > > Al-basma ; al_e7saan ; > > Alfagr-alislamy ; arab-night ; > > Arab_Q ; asd_al_islam_elmasry2 ; > > assunnah ; badr_elislam ; > > bmmi ; bo_3omar2003 ; > > Cinta_Rasul ; d3wtna ; > > daar_ul_muslimeen ; DiscoveringIslam ; > > DiscussionforMuslimsOhio ; dostii ; > > Elhadidy_NET ; eramuslim ; > > FriendsMailz ; history_islam ; > > horras_el3aqedah ; icdncr_ud ; > > ingatan ; insideISLAM ; > > Islam-Global_Religion ; Islam-Science ; > > Islam_Muslims@; > > islam_peace_and_understanding ; > > islamcarahidupku ; islamic-ebook ; > > Islamic_circle ; Islamic_dream ; > > islamic_events ; islamic_liberality ; > > islamic_professionals ; islamic_ways ; > > IslamicMinds ; islamicreflections ; > > IslamIstheTruth ; IT_Jobs_Freshers ; > > karachians ; London_Muslim ; > > Lowongan_kerja_untuk_ikhwahfillah ; > > madinaway ; morrishscienceofamerica ; > > Muslim_Rose ; MUSLIMS_ARE_COMING ; > > the_ansars > > maheshkhatri@ > > Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:45:25 -0700 > > [sahajayogaToronto] Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > > > Hello > > > > As you all acknowledge the mother, it is time for all seekers of > truth to know that the mother referred is none other than her holiness > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. > > > > > > Muslims, Hindus, Christians and all have to evolve to a higher state > > > > " That you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that > you have to become a Pir, that you have to become a Brahmin - all > these descriptions have come to us from all the great scriptures. It > is very easy to say that we don't believe in God, we don't believe in > any Incarnation, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in any > religion, we don't believe into anything; is very easy to say. Even it > is easy to say that we believe in them, we believe in God, we believe > in Christ, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are > equally the same. > > > > When you believe in God you believe in the darkness and ignorance, > and when you do not believe in Him also you are in ignorance. By > believing into you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with > it. Of course it shows that you are conscious of some Power which is > beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in the case if you go to > these extremes in this kind of faith then you start only believing in > Christ, only believing in Muhammad, only believing in Krishna - I mean > depending on where you are born. How human beings are so narrow-minded? > > > > If you are born in England either you will be a Catholic, or a > Protestant, or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into > anything because you are localized in a place; there has been some > identifications because your mother believed into something, because > your father believed into something, or you paid for it. And this > faith can become such a blinding effect on people that you develop > absurd types of groups which call themselves as Christians, Hindus, > Muslims - whatever you may say - and are extremely, extremely > exclusive, blind, and fanatic. > > > > Today one of the problems of the times of the modern times is > fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try > to get out of this fanaticism, it grows more. " > > > > Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, Being Born Again > > May 12, 1980 - Caxton Hall, London, U.K. > > > > Links to explore > > > > http://www.sahajayoga.org > > http://www.adishakti.org > > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear All, i have one last point to make. This is that, if Jagbir also, would have fallen for the 'official'/'unofficial' Myth, there would have been no http://www.adishakti.org and no http://www.al-qiyamah.org that Mahesh could send to the Muslims. The Truth sometimes just has to be spoken " loud and clear " folks, so people can 'hear it'. regards to all, violet , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear All, > > i would like to add one more thing. Labelling only serves the interest of a few 'official' Sahaja Yogis, so they can control the lives of all other Sahaja Yogis. Why should Sahaja Yogis have to ask 'official' Sahaja Yogis for permission for everything? Can't SYS think for themselves too? Do 'official' SYS now have to be asked for permission to even become a Sahaja Yogi? i don't know if i am expressing this clearly, but what i really want to say, is that if we all give our control over to the 'official' SYS, then we no longer have control over our lives anymore. And why do 'official' SYS " want " or " need " that much control anyway? Just so they can " rule " and have an earthly kingdom? Just like all the other religions have done too? > > violet > > > , " Violet " <violetubb@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Mahesh's example is exactly how so-called 'official' Sahaja Yoga and > so-called 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga can work together very beautifully. > All that has to happen is for so-called 'officials' to do the same as > Mahesh, i.e. overcome their lack of tolerance and mental concept of > 'official' and 'unofficial'. Those words are a tool they have used to > divide SY from SY. There is no logical reason nor spiritual sense why > this should continue. It " does not serve " the Sahaj Sangha. If a label > were to be put to the labelling, it would have to be called religious > discrimination. And religious discrimination can only occur, when > first a religion is made around the teachings of an incarnation. And > Shri Mataji did not want a religion created out of Her teachings of > Truth, " just because " 'officials' can then use the religion to label > people as 'official' or 'unofficial', or to label the work they do for > the kingdom of God as 'official' or 'unofficial' Really! Who do they > really think they are! They are not Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji never > labelled anyone as 'official' or 'unofficial', nor did She ever label > any work anyone did for Her, as 'official' or 'unofficial'. i say that > the work that 'officials' are doing to divide SY from SY, is > absolutely and equivocally 'unofficial' in the kingdom of God Itself. > But maybe, they have not contemplated deeply enough on that, which > they are doing. But like Martin Luther King says: " We shall overcome! " > Yes, we all shall overcome, but Sahaja Yogis really have to stop being > so 'cowed' by this 'official' and 'unofficial' labelling, which is > really only a managerial tactic, when it comes down to it. It really > has " nothing whatsoever " to do with Sahaja Yoga! > > > > Please, Sahaja Yogis, please all wake up, to what is happening since > a religion has been formed from Shri Mataji's teachings. There is in > Reality, no 'official' or 'unofficial' Sahaja Yoga. There is only the > Absolute Truth which we all just need to live in our lives. > > > > Love to All, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > , " Violet " <violetubb@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > > > > > Mahesh is to be commended for sending the material and links of > > http://www.adishakti.org and http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ and > > http://www.sahajayoga.org to many Muslim sites. It is a beautiful > > email that he sent to the Muslim sites, all of which cannot be seen in > > the appended email, which has words also highlighted in it, from the > > work that Jagbir has done. In fact, most of the work, is the work > > Jagbir has done, and Mahesh basically made a beautiful covering > > letter, using Shri Mataji's Words. Jagbir encourages that. That is > > what we are about - getting Her Message of the Resurrection and Last > > Judgment out there, and we encourage all Sahaja Yogis to work together > > with us. We accept and embrace all, warmly, and always forgive any > > past misunderstandings, if there have been such. There is nothing to > > prevent us all working together. Shri Mataji encourages this, of > > Sahaja Yogis, as shown by Her talk on " LOVE " , which She gave most > > recently. > > > > > > The appended email was also sent to every SY in the Toronto > > collective as well. It was brave of Mahesh, considering that the > > 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga have labelled Jagbir's sites as > > 'unofficial'. But Mahesh knows they are in agreement with Shri > > Mataji's teachings, otherwise he would not have sent them, or even > > mentioned these sites. Apparently after sending the appended letter to > > the Muslims, and to the local Toronto yogis, the 'official' Sahaja > > Yogis felt the need to set all the SYS back on the right spiritual > > path again. Apparently, they sent all the SYS of the Toronto > > collective an email, not demanding of course, but only advising, that > > they only read the 'official' sites of Sahaja Yoga. They also > > apparently gave them a long list of 'official' Sahaj sites, just to be > > sure, to keep on the right spiritual path for their spiritual > liberation. > > > > > > Mahesh must have endured some frustration, with all this knowledge > > freely given here, and at the fingertips, and yet labelled by > > 'officials' as 'unofficial'. It is natural to want to please the > > 'officials' as well as to want to please Shri Mataji. i would like to > > have done that too. But i found out i couldn't do justice to both, > > unfortunately. i have never heard Shri Mataji use 'official' and > > 'unofficial' labels. Truth is what it is. It is the Absolute Truth. > > That's what She's always said! There is no 'official' or 'unofficial' > > Absolute Truth! As Sahaja Yoga is the Absolute Truth, there can't > > really be an 'official Sahaja Yoga' and an 'unofficial Sahaja Yoga'! > > So this labelling has to be a mental concept only. > > > > > > Relative truth is different, and is what we know as the tenets of a > > religion that have been formed out of the teachings of an incarnation. > > That is, there is the Absolute Truth, and then there are the rules, > > regulations, rituals, and customs, that are formed in a religion. The > > rules, regulations, rituals, and customs cannot be called the Absolute > > Truth, because they vary from religion to religion. In Sahaja Yoga, we > > are supposed to be more discriminating. Shri Mataji said She hoped we > > would not make a religion out of Her teachings. But by labelling some > > of the things Shri Mataji gave as 'official' and some other aspects of > > what Shri Mataji gave as 'unofficial' the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga > > are managing, manipulating, limiting and therefore, in that way, > > editing Her Message. > > > > > > Like Mahesh has done to a certain extent, we all want to work > > together. There does not need to be labels of 'official' and > > 'unofficial' to divide us. Maybe, time and the new generations coming > > up will change things, hopefully, if they are not changed in our > > generation. There is no reason Sahaja Yogis should be divided. > > Remember the " Love " Message that Shri Mataji gave in a recent talk, > > which has not been posted here though, but She talked about the great > > need for LOVE. We don't need 'Official Talk'; we need more real love > > in action, more open communication, more acceptance, more toleration. > > If Sahaja Yogis can't even work together, but have to be made > > 'unofficial' or have to be firstly made 'official', how is Shri > > Mataji's Message ever going to get out there? Everyone needs to work > > together, unofficially, if necessary. 'Unofficial' may be the best > > way, so that there are not so many 'official' restrictions, which Shri > > Mataji Herself never made! > > > > > > If everyone does the right thing like Mahesh did, or at least tried > > to do, then soon the 'officials' would also become 'unofficial' and > > get off their high horses and work for unity instead of trying to > > divide SY from SY, as they are doing. > > > > > > Here then, is that wonderful email. Thanks, Mahesh, for not > > regarding us as 'unofficial' here, just because some 'official' Sahaja > > Yogis have labelled us as such, not that it worries us - but it was a > > nice gesture, anyway. Just as i am sure most Sahaja Yogis also strive > > for, our highest priority is for the kingdom of God. > > > > > > love to all who are working for the kingdom of God on earth, > > > > > > violet > > > > > > > > > Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > > GeoIslam ; 7alat_al_ummah ; > > > Al-basma ; al_e7saan ; > > > Alfagr-alislamy ; arab-night ; > > > Arab_Q ; asd_al_islam_elmasry2 ; > > > assunnah ; badr_elislam ; > > > bmmi ; bo_3omar2003 ; > > > Cinta_Rasul ; d3wtna ; > > > daar_ul_muslimeen ; DiscoveringIslam ; > > > DiscussionforMuslimsOhio ; dostii ; > > > Elhadidy_NET ; eramuslim ; > > > FriendsMailz ; history_islam ; > > > horras_el3aqedah ; icdncr_ud ; > > > ingatan ; insideISLAM ; > > > Islam-Global_Religion ; Islam-Science ; > > > Islam_Muslims@; > > > islam_peace_and_understanding ; > > > islamcarahidupku ; islamic-ebook ; > > > Islamic_circle ; Islamic_dream ; > > > islamic_events ; islamic_liberality ; > > > islamic_professionals ; islamic_ways ; > > > IslamicMinds ; islamicreflections ; > > > IslamIstheTruth ; IT_Jobs_Freshers ; > > > karachians ; London_Muslim ; > > > Lowongan_kerja_untuk_ikhwahfillah ; > > > madinaway ; morrishscienceofamerica ; > > > Muslim_Rose ; MUSLIMS_ARE_COMING ; > > > the_ansars > > > maheshkhatri@ > > > Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:45:25 -0700 > > > [sahajayogaToronto] Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > As you all acknowledge the mother, it is time for all seekers of > > truth to know that the mother referred is none other than her holiness > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. > > > > > > > > > Muslims, Hindus, Christians and all have to evolve to a higher state > > > > > > " That you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that > > you have to become a Pir, that you have to become a Brahmin - all > > these descriptions have come to us from all the great scriptures. It > > is very easy to say that we don't believe in God, we don't believe in > > any Incarnation, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in any > > religion, we don't believe into anything; is very easy to say. Even it > > is easy to say that we believe in them, we believe in God, we believe > > in Christ, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are > > equally the same. > > > > > > When you believe in God you believe in the darkness and ignorance, > > and when you do not believe in Him also you are in ignorance. By > > believing into you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with > > it. Of course it shows that you are conscious of some Power which is > > beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in the case if you go to > > these extremes in this kind of faith then you start only believing in > > Christ, only believing in Muhammad, only believing in Krishna - I mean > > depending on where you are born. How human beings are so narrow-minded? > > > > > > If you are born in England either you will be a Catholic, or a > > Protestant, or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into > > anything because you are localized in a place; there has been some > > identifications because your mother believed into something, because > > your father believed into something, or you paid for it. And this > > faith can become such a blinding effect on people that you develop > > absurd types of groups which call themselves as Christians, Hindus, > > Muslims - whatever you may say - and are extremely, extremely > > exclusive, blind, and fanatic. > > > > > > Today one of the problems of the times of the modern times is > > fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try > > to get out of this fanaticism, it grows more. " > > > > > > Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, Being Born Again > > > May 12, 1980 - Caxton Hall, London, U.K. > > > > > > Links to explore > > > > > > http://www.sahajayoga.org > > > http://www.adishakti.org > > > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Dear Violet and all, It will all work out in future as SYs begin to realize for themselves the truth of the matter. Mahesh has realized that earlier than the majority. Other SYs are also finding out the truth as more of them are now also visiting http://sahajayoga-shrimataji.org/. The SY management/leaders want SYs to only visit kosher SY sites. It is just like telling SYs going to Paris not to visit the Eiffel Tower or any of their liver-heating cafes. French perfumes and vineyards are taboo too. (i have a long list of prohibitions but shall refrain from mentioning as they are too mundane and depressing for those free from their SY minders.) The latest from Montreal is that their Yuvashakti is bored of, and indifferent to, weekly meditations/meetings. The gung-ho spirit of the 80s and 90s has waned, and i am talking about the SYSSR elders. The chickens, as predicted, are finally coming home to roost folks. regards to all, jagbir , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir and All, > > Mahesh is to be commended for sending the material and links of http://www.adishakti.org and http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ and http://www.sahajayoga.org to many Muslim sites. It is a beautiful email that he sent to the Muslim sites, all of which cannot be seen in the appended email, which has words also highlighted in it, from the work that Jagbir has done. In fact, most of the work, is the work Jagbir has done, and Mahesh basically made a beautiful covering letter, using Shri Mataji's Words. Jagbir encourages that. That is what we are about - getting Her Message of the Resurrection and Last Judgment out there, and we encourage all Sahaja Yogis to work together with us. We accept and embrace all, warmly, and always forgive any past misunderstandings, if there have been such. There is nothing to prevent us all working together. Shri Mataji encourages this, of Sahaja Yogis, as shown by Her talk on " LOVE " , which She gave most recently. > > The appended email was also sent to every SY in the Toronto collective as well. It was brave of Mahesh, considering that the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga have labelled Jagbir's sites as 'unofficial'. But Mahesh knows they are in agreement with Shri Mataji's teachings, otherwise he would not have sent them, or even mentioned these sites. Apparently after sending the appended letter to the Muslims, and to the local Toronto yogis, the 'official' Sahaja Yogis felt the need to set all the SYS back on the right spiritual path again. Apparently, they sent all the SYS of the Toronto collective an email, not demanding of course, but only advising, that they only read the 'official' sites of Sahaja Yoga. They also apparently gave them a long list of 'official' Sahaj sites, just to be sure, to keep on the right spiritual path for their spiritual liberation. > > Mahesh must have endured some frustration, with all this knowledge freely given here, and at the fingertips, and yet labelled by 'officials' as 'unofficial'. It is natural to want to please the 'officials' as well as to want to please Shri Mataji. i would like to have done that too. But i found out i couldn't do justice to both, unfortunately. i have never heard Shri Mataji use 'official' and 'unofficial' labels. Truth is what it is. It is the Absolute Truth. That's what She's always said! There is no 'official' or 'unofficial' Absolute Truth! As Sahaja Yoga is the Absolute Truth, there can't really be an 'official Sahaja Yoga' and an 'unofficial Sahaja Yoga'! So this labelling has to be a mental concept only. > > Relative truth is different, and is what we know as the tenets of a religion that have been formed out of the teachings of an incarnation. That is, there is the Absolute Truth, and then there are the rules, regulations, rituals, and customs, that are formed in a religion. The rules, regulations, rituals, and customs cannot be called the Absolute Truth, because they vary from religion to religion. In Sahaja Yoga, we are supposed to be more discriminating. Shri Mataji said She hoped we would not make a religion out of Her teachings. But by labelling some of the things Shri Mataji gave as 'official' and some other aspects of what Shri Mataji gave as 'unofficial' the 'officials' of Sahaja Yoga are managing, manipulating, limiting and therefore, in that way, editing Her Message. > > Like Mahesh has done to a certain extent, we all want to work together. There does not need to be labels of 'official' and 'unofficial' to divide us. Maybe, time and the new generations coming up will change things, hopefully, if they are not changed in our generation. There is no reason Sahaja Yogis should be divided. Remember the " Love " Message that Shri Mataji gave in a recent talk, which has not been posted here though, but She talked about the great need for LOVE. We don't need 'Official Talk'; we need more real love in action, more open communication, more acceptance, more toleration. If Sahaja Yogis can't even work together, but have to be made 'unofficial' or have to be firstly made 'official', how is Shri Mataji's Message ever going to get out there? Everyone needs to work together, unofficially, if necessary. 'Unofficial' may be the best way, so that there are not so many 'official' restrictions, which Shri Mataji Herself never made! > > If everyone does the right thing like Mahesh did, or at least tried to do, then soon the 'officials' would also become 'unofficial' and get off their high horses and work for unity instead of trying to divide SY from SY, as they are doing. > > Here then, is that wonderful email. Thanks, Mahesh, for not regarding us as 'unofficial' here, just because some 'official' Sahaja Yogis have labelled us as such, not that it worries us - but it was a nice gesture, anyway. Just as i am sure most Sahaja Yogis also strive for, our highest priority is for the kingdom of God. > > love to all who are working for the kingdom of God on earth, > > violet > > > Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > GeoIslam ; 7alat_al_ummah ; > Al-basma ; al_e7saan ; > Alfagr-alislamy ; arab-night ; > Arab_Q ; asd_al_islam_elmasry2 ; > assunnah ; badr_elislam ; > bmmi ; bo_3omar2003 ; > Cinta_Rasul ; d3wtna ; > daar_ul_muslimeen ; DiscoveringIslam ; > DiscussionforMuslimsOhio ; dostii ; > Elhadidy_NET ; eramuslim ; > FriendsMailz ; history_islam ; > horras_el3aqedah ; icdncr_ud ; > ingatan ; insideISLAM ; > Islam-Global_Religion ; Islam- Science ; > Islam_Muslims; > islam_peace_and_understanding ; > islamcarahidupku ; islamic-ebook ; > Islamic_circle ; Islamic_dream ; > islamic_events ; islamic_liberality ; > islamic_professionals ; islamic_ways ; > IslamicMinds ; islamicreflections ; > IslamIstheTruth ; IT_Jobs_Freshers ; > karachians ; London_Muslim ; > Lowongan_kerja_untuk_ikhwahfillah ; > madinaway ; morrishscienceofamerica ; > Muslim_Rose ; MUSLIMS_ARE_COMING ; > the_ansars > maheshkhatri > Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:45:25 -0700 > [sahajayogaToronto] Re: [GeoIslam] Your Mother > > Hello > > As you all acknowledge the mother, it is time for all seekers of truth to know that the mother referred is none other than her holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. > > > Muslims, Hindus, Christians and all have to evolve to a higher state > > " That you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that you have to become a Pir, that you have to become a Brahmin - all these descriptions have come to us from all the great scriptures. It is very easy to say that we don't believe in God, we don't believe in any Incarnation, we don't believe in Jesus, we don't believe in any religion, we don't believe into anything; is very easy to say. Even it is easy to say that we believe in them, we believe in God, we believe in Christ, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are equally the same. > > When you believe in God you believe in the darkness and ignorance, and when you do not believe in Him also you are in ignorance. By believing into you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with it. Of course it shows that you are conscious of some Power which is beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in the case if you go to these extremes in this kind of faith then you start only believing in Christ, only believing in Muhammad, only believing in Krishna - I mean depending on where you are born. How human beings are so narrow-minded? > > If you are born in England either you will be a Catholic, or a Protestant, or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into anything because you are localized in a place; there has been some identifications because your mother believed into something, because your father believed into something, or you paid for it. And this faith can become such a blinding effect on people that you develop absurd types of groups which call themselves as Christians, Hindus, Muslims - whatever you may say - and are extremely, extremely exclusive, blind, and fanatic. > > Today one of the problems of the times of the modern times is fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try to get out of this fanaticism, it grows more. " > > Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi, Being Born Again > May 12, 1980 - Caxton Hall, London, U.K. > > Links to explore > > http://www.sahajayoga.org > http://www.adishakti.org > http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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