Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ethics of Upanishads " Honesty is especially extolled. He who has not denounced evil will never obtain Brahman. " - Neria Harish Hebbar M.D. ----------------------------- i am shocked at the audacity of the latest 'divine mother' claim: http://www.premahealing.com/16.html http://www.premahealing.com/3.html What is the nature of the negativity that has silenced the entire Sahaja Yoga organization? What has possessed so many SYs to fear telling the truth? What has paralyzed their conciousness from even being conscientious? Why have so many become blind, deaf, dumb and diseased, almost devoid of all that Self-realization bestows? Since 1994 i have never found out why. It is as if SYs are possessed by some sinister power--a powerful anti-God/Christ force--to prevent the emancipation of humanity. If you join or empower them, you too will be diseased and possessed to remain silent. The only way to remain righteous, truthful and conscientious is from outside the Sahaja Yoga organization. No wonder i had to leave it, and i thank the Divine Mother for this good fortune. jagbir ------------------------- Rajasthan Politician Worships Chief Minister as Durga Sunday, November 05, 2006 JAIPUR (November 05, 2006): In a case of sycophancy scaling new heights, a minister in the Rajasthan government worships Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje as an equivalent of Hindu goddess Durga and even performs daily rituals before her photograph: Rajasthan Minister for Urban Development Pratap Sing Singhvi has a photograph of " Goddess Vasundhara " at his official residence here before which he offers regular prayers and also carries out daily rituals like those offered to a Hindu deity. He went to the extent of having Vasundhara's photograph done up to resemble that of goddess Durga, with the chief minister sitting on a tiger and her eight hands carrying different weapons. She is shown wearing traditional attire and is decorated with heavy gold jewellery. The picture bears the words: " Maa teri surat se alag bhagwan ki surat kya hogi " (Mother your face cannot be different from god). Singhvi says in defence: " Yes, we worship Raje and offer prayers. Prayers are offered everyday by one of the party men. I attend the prayer whenever I get time. I think there is no harm in worshipping Raje as she is a woman and women are worshipped in the Hindu religion. So what is the problem? " Singhvi's subordinates and the ruling Bharatiya Janata party men even chant " Vasundhara Chalisa " everyday at the time of prayers. " Vasundhara Chalisa " was prepared by a party worker. After offering prayers, Singhvi or his subordinates distribute " prasad " to the people present at his residence. SOURCE: IANS/IndiaeNews.com URL: http://www.indiaenews.com/politics/20061105/27612.htm " The Mother: Mirra Alfassa, later Morisset and Richard (February 21, 1878 - November 17, 1973) but better known as The Mother, was the spiritual partner of Sri Aurobindo. She was born in Paris to Turkish and Egyptian parents and came to his ashram on March 29, 1914 visiting Pondicherry several times and finally settling there in 1920. After November 24, 1926, when Sri Aurobindo retired into seclusion, she supervised the organization of his ashram and institutes. She became the leader of the community after Sri Aurobindo's death in 1950. She died in 1973.... In December of that year, Sri Aurobindo decided to withdraw from public view. It was at this point that he identified Mirra with the Divine Mother, and instructed his followers to do the same. He informed his disciples that henceforth The Mother would take full charge of the ashram and he would live in retirement. Mirra heard for the first time that this new responsibility was conferred on her and she had been installed officially as The Mother. She related later that Sri Aurobindo had not consulted her prior to the declaration nor did he inform her of his intention, but that she had heard the news for the first time along with the disciples (Karmayogi no date). Sri Aurobindo considered that Mirra was an avatar (incarnation) of the supreme shakti. In 1927 he wrote: The One whom we adore as the Mother is the divine Conscious Force that dominates all existence, one and yet many-sided that to follow her movement is impossible even for the quickest mind and for the freest and most vast intelligence. The Mother p.19. Sri Aurobindo's letters and instructions to his disciples taught the path of spiritual surrender through devotion to The Mother; a form of Bhakti Yoga. " http://www.answers.com/topic/the-mother , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > NEW DELHI, Sep 8 2006 (IANS): The Supreme Court Friday dismissed a > petition filed by a former police officer, who claims to be the > manifestation of Hindu goddess Radha, against an Allahabad High > Court order directing him to pay Rs.6,700 per month as maintenance > to his wife. > > A bench of judges B.N. Agrawal and P.P. Naolekar declined to > entertain the petition after hearing counsel M. N. Krishnamani > appearing for petitioner Devendra Kishore Panda, who resigned as > Inspector General of Police, Uttar Pradesh, and calls > himself " Doosri Radha " . > > Counsel contended that the high court had proceeded on the wrong > premise that he was getting Rs 20,000 a month as pension though he > was getting only Rs 12,800. He said Panda was prepared to pay one- > third of the pension as maintenance to his wife and a lumpsum > amount as one time full and final settlement. > > The Bench noted that since it was only an interim order, the > petitioner should go back to the high court for relief. > > Panda's petition seeking a divorce from his wife is already > pending in a trial court in Uttar Pradesh, where Panda was posted. > > Another petition by his wife for restitution of conjugal rights is > also pending in the trial court. Panda had resigned following > complaints that he was dressing up like Radha. He had claimed that > he was doing so under instructions from Lord Krishna to live like > Radha. > > Panda was present in the court Friday. The bench, in a lighter > vein, asked him: " Are you Radha or Krishna today? " Counsel replied > Panda was only a follower of Krishna. > > The bench, thereafter, rejected the petition at the admission > stage. > > SOURCE: Telugu Portal > URL: http://www.teluguportal.net/modules/news/article.php? > storyid=12886 > > > > , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > The number of 'divine mothers' just keep on rising. While > > searching for unrelated information i came across another two > > sites: > > > > Her Holiness Sai Maa Lakshmi Devi > > http://www.humanityinunity.org/utility/showArticle/?objectID=1595 > > > > Divine Mother Sree Rama Devi > > http://divinemother.rediffblogs.com/ > > > > > > So i just searched " divine mother' and this is what i found: > > > > FATHER DIVINE, MOTHER DIVINE > > http://fdipmm.libertynet.org/ > > > > Who is Ammachi? > > http://www.divine-mother.org/ > > > > Sarada Devi > > http://www.writespirit.net/authors/sarada-devi/ > > > > Sri Anandamayi Ma > > http://www.writespirit.net/authors/sri_anandamayi_ma/ > > > > Meet Divine Mother > > http://www.divinemother.net/ > > > > The Mother > > http://www.writespirit.net/authors/the-mother/ > > > > Mother Meera > > http://www.par.org.ar/Avatar/meera.html > > > > Maa Kundalini > > http://www.maakundalini.com/ > > > > Anandmurti GuruMaa > > http://www.gurumaa.com/ > > > > Ma Jaya Sati Bhagavati > > http://www.kashi.org/ > > > > Narayani Amma > > http://www.narayaniamma.org/ > > > > Who is Baba? > > http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents2.html > > > > This increase in 'divine mothers' will only confuse future > > seekers as to who is the genuine divine mother, if at all. And > > both Narayani Amma and Sai Baba males claim they are also the > > Divine Feminine. > > > > However, one important fact has made these 'divine mothers' more > > well-known and successful than the same claim made by SYs. Unlike > > SYs, their devotees have always and openly proclaimed their > > revered gurus during the 70s and 80s with the same faith and > > belief they had in their hearts. Today these 'divine mothers' > > have far more devotees and exposure than WCASY could ever dream > > of. Yet there is no sense of duty, urgency and need for > > transparency amongst SYs. i believe it has more to do with lack > > of direction, common sense and conscience given the facts and > > progress of the other 'divine mothers'. > > > > And when WCASY acts against those who want to proclaim Shri > > Mataji as the Divine Mother, and ask Her devotees to help them, > > then only fools will fail to understand the nature of the > > negativity that has possessed them. Shri Mataji is the only > > divine mother whose devotees are behaving this strange way. Is > > there any incarnation in history who followers did not have the > > faith and conviction to stand on their deepest beliefs? > > > > To be fair, a few concerned souls like Alex did try to stir the > > conscience of Sahaja Yogis in 1996 with this letter: > > > > " It is astonishing that the sahaja yogis, who believe Shri > > Mataji to be the savior of humanity prophecied by many > > religious scriptures, have not the conviction to promote her to > > the world openly, honestly and unashamedly as that. Promotion of > > the savior will draw more serious attention from many more > > people than do the current vague claims about stress relief and > > peace of mind. This lack of conviction speaks volumes and is the > > same reason they fail to respond to those who challenge SY. You > > simply can't be one thing and then attempt to portray yourself > > as another - no matter how clever you are, it shows and people > > see it very clearly. This is called hypocrisy. It indicates the > > vast majority of sahaja > > yogis are in a state of denial. > > > > On the premise that Shri Mataji is indeed the Adi Shakti, on what > > basis do the sahaja yogis take it upon themselves to > > discriminate as to whom is delivered the message of her present > > incarnation and by what convoluted process that message is > > selectively delivered? To take upon themselves to make such > > discriminations is an expression of an elitist, missionary > > culture motivated by power and authority over others. The > > message must be very plain and simple if every person on the > > planet is to be afforded the opportunity to draw their own > > conclusions about the goddess incarnate. Why do the sahaja yogis > > make something so simple so complicated?. Why are they doing so > > poor a job in telling the world of Shri Mataji, when as the > > goddess she will surely stand and be recognised as the reality > > they claim she is? > > > > My parting word is that like it or not, Shri Mataji and her > > sahaja yogis must face the issues presented by those who > > challenge them. Intelligent response is required and what > > remains to be seen is whether they are capable of this. The > > longer they avoid it, the more SY will be clearly identified to > > be lacking in credibility and its members in integrity. The more > > they will appear to be a cultish throw-back to the dark ages. I > > recommend the sahaja yogis today change their whole approach and > > start promoting SY as what it is - a religion focused around a > > personality who has claimed, and is understood by them, to be > > the Adi Shakti, divine mother of the universe. This is, after > > all, the year of exposure for SY. > > > > May truth prevail. " > > > > > > So others did try to stir the conscience of SYs. But till today > > the vast majority of SYs are deaf to such impassioned pleas. On > > the contrary, those few who bring forth this " we must be > > truthful " topic are shunned and viewed with suspicion as > > elements that are non-collective .......... even non-SYs. So > > what is the nature of the negativity that keeps so many 'self- > > realized' SY souls silent and unable to lift a finger to support > > Dharma and Truth? > > > > jagbir > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ethics of Upanishads " Honesty is especially extolled. He who has not denounced evil will never obtain Brahman. " - Neria Harish Hebbar M.D. ----------------------------- Jesus's gnostic teachings were edited out to form the Christian religion! Dear Violet and All, Without question the priestly class of ALL religions, not just Christianity alone, have edited out the gnostic teachings of their founders/scriptures. In the process they have also twisted and misrepresented the scriptures, and the faithful made subservient to centuries/millenia of their ignorance. The present-day SYSSR is living proof of the power of the priestly class in organizing the message of its founder, and editing out the gnostic teachings ............ just as they have done for centuries. That they have succeeded even before Shri Mataji's mahasamadhi is testimony of how resilient and power-hungry this centuries-old priestly class is. Shri Mataji told us that all the raksashas and priestly class of the past have reincarnated again. They have invented the SYSSR to replace the Divine Message of the Comforter sent by Jesus. Starting with ex- world leader Yogi Mahajan, they have labelled the revelations of the Great Primordial Mother (to support Her incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi) as the work of children possessed by evil. They have even dared to give anti-psychotic drugs to Her incarnation despite Her written wishes. So what else is needed to convince ourselves that we must NEVER empower them in anyway, less we are also guilty of abetting them by reason of association? Last, but not the least, never indulge in any of the rituals of the SYSSR invented over the years. They have nothing to do with Self-realization. On the contrary, you will regress spiritually and remain stuck in their kindergarten classes. Just ask yourself - why is Self-realization on this forum so different from that of the official SYSSR? regards, jagbir Main Entry: re·gress 1 a: an act or the privilege of going or coming back b: reentry 1 2: movement backward to a previous and especially worse or more primitive state or condition Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary -- Dear Jagbir and all, It all makes sense now! Jesus's gnostic teachings were edited out to form the Christian religion! The appended passage shows that the hierarchy of bishops, priests, and deacons, institutionalised Shri Jesus's teachings. It also shows that they edited out his more gnostic teachings, in addition, putting it out that they now were " the guardians of the only true faith " . This is not dissimilar to what WCASY et al have done with the teachings of Shri Mataji. They have institutionalised Shri Mataji's subtle system information into the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion), and edited out Her Last Judgment and Resurrection Message. They have also put themselves forward as the 'guardians' of Shri Mataji's teachings, even though they have only 'intellectually' understood Shri Mataji's teachings, and not with their 'heart', for if they had understood Shri Mataji's teachings with their heart, and understood Her wishes, they would not have made a 'religion' out of Her teachings. i keep repeating that " I heard Shri Mataji say at Sydney Airport around the mid-1990's that She said that She did not want us to make a " religion " out of Her teachings " ! Now we know why: because if you make a " religion " out of an incarnation's teachings (i.e. Shri Mataji's teachings in this case), you can't help but to edit the gnostic teachings and at the same time make new 'priests', who then tell people how to interpret the teachings to suit their own purposes. Shri Mataji unequivocally taught that religions and priests create a system which misuses the teachings of an incarnation, for their own selfish ambitions, need for power over others, and money. Due to the internet, which Shri Mataji has told us " is the Gift of Shri Vishnumaya " , this time around the new 'priests' are not able to suppress Her Message, though they have tried very hard to do so. Jai Shri Mataji! violet " Yet by A. D. 200, the situation had changed. Christianity had become an institution headed by a three-rank hierarchy of bishops, priests, and deacons, who understood themselves to be the guardians of the only " true faith. " The majority of churches, among which the church of Rome took a leading role, rejected all other viewpoints as heresy. Deploring the diversity of the earlier movement, Bishop Irenaeus and his followers insisted that there could be only one church, and outside of that church, he declared, " there is no salvation. " Members of this church alone are orthodox (literally, " straight- thinking " ) Christians. And, he claimed, this church must be catholic-- that is, universal. Whoever challenged that consensus, arguing instead for other forms of Christian teaching, was declared to be a heretic, and expelled. When the orthodox gained military support, sometime after the Emperor Constantine became Christian in the fourth century, the penalty for heresy escalated. " From The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels. Published by Vintage Books. www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/pagels.html http://www.adishakti.org/_/gnostic_gospels_self- knowledge_is_knowledge_of_god.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ethics of Upanishads " Honesty is especially extolled. He who has not denounced evil will never obtain Brahman. " - Neria Harish Hebbar M.D. ----------------------------- Sahaja Yoga can never be an organisation!!! Dear Violet and all, Welcome back to the forum. i wish to add that almost all SYs, whether within or without the organization, are conditioned by the SYSSR. There is nothing much that can be done to confront and expose their collective denial about Shri Mataji's Advent and Message ... except to give them links to the websites. Otherwise i will not waste much time or energy on them, unless they have both the humility and conscience to confirm their deceived mindset and want to change things. So let the SYs keep their SYSSR, WCASY and the SY organization that continues to condition them to lie and deceive the general public. An organization so tainted with falsehood, for so long, can NEVER EVER regain the trust and confidence of humanity. It is now thus doomed and, without question, destined to fade away. The very name " Sahaja Yoga " is now forever tainted with all that is untruthful, deceitful, cowardly i.e., an unforgivable crime against humanity! i assure all that there is no hope for such an organization. So, again, let the SYs keep their SYSSR, WCASY and the SY organization as we continue to forge ahead towards that critical mass that, after being exposed to such topics as: http://www.adishakti.org/_/as_in_earlier_gnostic_religion_resurrection ..htm will never ever need an organization to guide (or deceive) them, not even another human. They must know that the " Resurrection is accomplished by the wind of heaven that sweeps the worlds. The Angel carried by the wind does not say: Arise ye dead! He says: Let the living arise! " They must feel the Cool Breeze and most willingly participate in the promised Resurrection ... and tell others too! regards to all, jagbir , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > , " Violet " <violetubb@> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > i am back after having been away for 11 days. It is nice to be back > > with our forum family of Sahaja Yoga. While i was away, i caught up > with the SY in whose home i got my self-realisation. She is not > regularly attending the organisation anymore, but says she is no > different than when she was regularly attending the organisation, i.e. > she loves Mother and feels the kundalini. We talked about how > collectivity does not mean that we are stuck like glue to each other, > but that it means we are connected by love, regardless of physical > proximity. We talked about how Shri Mataji incarnated to introduce us > to our individual Mother. She felt that SY had been strongly > emphasized into one particular spiritual background, i.e. Hindu. We > talked about how there are SYS who are both " in " and " outside of " the > organisation of SY - that Sahaja Yoga and SYS cannot be restricted by > any " organisation " . She said that Sahaja Yoga can never be an > organisation!!! > > > > i showed her http://www.adishakti.org/ and recalled to her how we > sat together at Sydney Airport, when Shri Mataji spoke about the > special children from Montreal, Canada who would come from outside of > the organisation of Sahaja Yoga, who would give separate evidence to > confirm Her Incarnation: > > > > > http://adishakti.org/forum/shri_mataji_told_of_a_great_blessing_to_man kind_10-04-2006.htm > > > > She could not remember about Shri Mataji speaking about the special > children. She said however that if anyone had a chance to remember it, > it was myself, due to my Christian biblical and therefore > eschatologically-aware background. i greatly appreciated her trust, > confidence, and love. i shared with her how i have been hurt by SYS > just for being on this forum and telling the truth about Shri Mataji > and Sahaja Yoga. She shared that she also, had been hurt by SYS > insensitivity and fanaticism, and how this trait, can take away the > joy of love. We agreed that Sahaja Yoga is about sharing Sahaja Yoga > and not about bossing people around. > > > > It is good to be back. > > > > love from violet > > > Dear All, > > i need to make a correction. i should have said, " She is not attending the organisation anymore, but says she is no different than when she was regularly attending the organisation, i.e. she loves Mother and feels the kundalini. " > > love to all, > > violet > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ethics of Upanishads " Honesty is especially extolled. He who has not denounced evil will never obtain Brahman. " - Neria Harish Hebbar M.D. ----------------------------- And if your leaders or WCASY members cause you to sin, cut them off Mark 9:43-48 = Matt 18:8-9 43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. 44 [omitted] 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. 46 [omitted] 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, 48 where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-48 8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. Matt 18:8-9 Jesus teaches that a person must remove all impediments in order to to enter the Kingdom of God (eiselthein eis tên basileian tou theou) (Mark 9:47), which is synonymous with to enter into life (eiselthein eis tên zoên) (Mark 9:43, 45), since it is better to do without any so-called advantage than to miss entering the Kingdom of God or into life. (The term " Kingdom of God " is synonymous with " life. " ) This is expressed hyperbolically as being willing to cut off one's hands and one's feet and being willing to remove one's eye, if necessary. One's bodily parts represent what is closest and most valuable to a person, which must be given up if it impedes entrance into the Kingdom of God or life. The consequence of not being willing to sacrifice anything to enter the Kingdom of God or life is punishment in Gehenna (or eternal fire). The entrance of which Jesus speaks is a future entrance, coincidental with final judgment; in fact, one must pass through final judgment in order to enter the Kingdom of God as future or life. (Matthew omits Mark 9:45, probably because he considered his Markan source to be redundant; in addition, Matthew's substitution of " life " for Mark's " Kingdom of God " in the saying about being willing to remove one's eye.) http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/NTIntro/KingdGod2.htm > > " This mission of the Paraclete, like that of Jesus Himself, is two- > sided; for to the world which has rejected Christ it brings > judgement... This cannot take place until Jesus has been exalted > (17:7). " Dictionary of the Bible... > > But we will overcome those against us, even if it is the entire SY > organization itself. The Last Judgment CANNOT take place until Jesus > has been exalted. The Paraclete has done just that for more than > three decades. We must sustain Her work without any fear and make > sure the rest of humanity realizes it is the promised Blossom Time. > There is no question that the Paraclete and Lord Jesus will triumph. > " Paraclete, Comforter (L. Consolator; Greek parakletos), an appellation of the Holy Ghost. The Greek word which, as a designation of the Holy Ghost at least, occurs only in St. John (14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7), has been variously translated " advocate " , " intercessor " , " teacher, " helper " , " comforter " . This last rendering, though at variance with the passive form of the Greek, is justified by the Hellenistic usage, a number of ancient versions, patristic and liturgical authority, and the evident needs of the Johannine context. According to St. John the mission of the Paraclete is to abide with the disciples after Jesus has withdrawn His visible presence from them; to inwardly bring home to them the teaching externally given by Christ and thus to stand as a witness to the doctrine and work of the Saviour. There is no reason for limiting to the Apostles themselves the comforting influence of the Paraclete as promised in the Gospel (Matthew 10:19; Mark 13:11; Luke 12:11, 21:14) and described in Acts 2... Says St. Bernard (Parvi Sermones): " De Spiritu Sancto testatur Scriptura quia procedit, spirat, inhabitat, replet, glorificat. Procedendo praedestinat; spirando vocat quos praedestinavit; inhabitando justificat quos vocavit; replendo accumulat meritis quos justificavit; glorificando ditat proemiis quos accumulavit meritis " . Every salutary condition, power, and action, in fact the whole range of our salvation, comes within the Comforter's mission. Its extraordinary effects are styled gifts, fruits, beatitudes. Its ordinary working is sanctification with all it entails, habitual grace, infused virtues, adoption, and the right to the celestial inheritance. " The charity of God " , says St. Paul (Romans 5:5), " is poured forth in our hearts by the Holy Ghost who is give to us. " In that passage the Paraclete is both the giver and the gift: the giver of grace (donum creatum) and the gift of the Father and the Son (donum increatum). St. Paul teaches repeatedly that the Holy Ghost dwells in us (Romans 8:9, 11; 1 Corinthians 3:16). " [1] " Paraclete comes from the Koine Greek word (Parakletos) meaning " one who consoles - a comforter " or " one who intercedes on our behalf - an advocate " . It may reflect Hebrew: mnahhem " comforter " .... 'Paraclete' appears in the New Testament in the Gospel of John (14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, 20:22) where it may be translated in English as " Counselor " , " Helper " , or " Comforter " . The Early Church identified the Paraclete as the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5,1:8,2:4,2:38) and Christians continue to use Paraclete as a title for God's Spirit. In 1 John 2:1 " paraclete " is used to describe the intercessory role of Jesus Christ. And in John 14:16 Jesus says " another paraclete " will come to help his disciples, implying Jesus is the first paraclete. In Matt 3:10-12 and Luke 3:9-17 John the Baptist says a powerful one coming after him: " will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire. " (NIV) Verses like these are often used by Christians in Trinitarian theology to describe how God is revealed to the world and God's role in salvation. According to trinitarian doctrine, the Paraclete or Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity who among other things provides guidance, consolation and support to people. Other titles for the Holy Spirit include 'Spirit of Truth', Lightfull Spirit of God Almighty, Holy Breath, Almighty Breath, Giver of Life, Lord of Grace, Helper, 'Comforter', 'Counsellor' and 'Supporter'. " [2] As i said, there is no question that the Paraclete and Lord Jesus will triumph. But at this very early stage we should not even look around to see that manifesting because it is only since 1-1-2000 that this Good News of the Gospel was first publicly and openly announced i.e., with all the evidence and Sure Signs of the promised Last Judgment proclaimed by the Paraclete: " Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy for you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last Judgment —which looks such a horrifying experience— has been made very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does not disturb you. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi) The advent and message of the Paraclete is a complex, eschatological manifestation that requires vast amounts of knowledge and evidence. This process will take a few more years to complete and i ask for courage, patience and forbearance. Above all i ask for complete and absolute dedication to the Paraclete who also resides in you! The advent and message of the Paraclete must be openly and publicly given in full. But under no circumstance whatsoever must you allow anyone - WCASY, leaders, Sir CP, SYs- to persuade you otherwise. Lord Jesus literally meant that one should remove an adulterous eye or sinning hand and be saved: " If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. " [3] So WCASY, leaders, Sir CP and SYs, what should be done to your tongues that continue to lie and deceive humanity about the advent of the Paraclete and Her message of the Last Judgment? better you leave the organization than acquire a lying tongue and deceiving mind, jagbir [1] The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XI. Published 1911. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, February 1, 1911. [2] " Paraclete. " Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. 26 Dec 2007 [3} Mathew 5:29-30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 > > But for those who are concerned and conscientious, then yours is the > Kingdom of Heaven, the new world that Jesus promised the thief on > the cross. So do not be stained by, or associated with, the > negativity that is working against Jesus in the SY organization - > Do not empower them in any way because that is where the > negativity's source and strength is! It is better you be the > condemned thief outside the organization than a recognized SY > within. That is why Xxxxxxx, a former ex/anti-SY has a much better > chance that the SYs following WCASY, Sir CP and SY management, and > i am willing to write this in stone. Only a fool will be unable to > understand or heed this advice, especially so when Easter is just > round the corner. > " Honesty is especially extolled. He who has not denounced evil will never obtain Brahman. " - Neria Harish Hebbar M.D " Generally speaking observation of the law of Truth is understood merely to mean that we must speak the Truth. But we in the Ashram should understand the word Satya or Truth in a much wider sense. There should be truth in thought, truth in speech, and truth in action. To the man who has realized this truth in its fullness, nothing else remains to be known , because all knowledge is necessary included in it. What is not included in it is not truth, and so not true knowledge; and there can be no inward peace without true knowledge. If we once learn how to apply this never failing test of Truth, we will at once able to find out what is worth doing, what is worth seeing, what is worth reading. " M. K. Gandhi ------------------------ Then yours is the Kingdom of Heaven, the new world that Jesus promised the thief on the cross. /message/9192 Dear Violet and all, Your recent post only magnifies the antichrist nature of the negativity that prevents the fulfillment of human destiny, a pervasive negativity that is now firmly entrenched in Sahaja Yoga. Main Entry: per·vade : to become diffused throughout every part of Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary Before i quote your post Violet i want all to again remember and understand the nature of this negativity: " Yes, may truth prevail after 38 years of deliberate collective dishonesty. Anyone has any idea how long is 38 years? Can anyone name me a single spiritual or religious organization that have consciously lied that long? To make it easier to get a positive answer: Can anyone name me a single self-realized soul or believer in God Almighty who did so ........... since the dawn of civilization? Then how is it possible for tens of thousands to so easily do exactly that so today? What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on destroying the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost succeeded! " (end) So i will quote you Violet: " Dear All, Part 5 concluded with: A beautiful example of this is given in the famous prophecy of Isaiah where the destiny of humanity is seen as a return to Paradise. First of all it is said that the Spirit will be given, " the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord " . The fall of humanity came from turning away from the Spirit and centring on the separate self, and restoration can only come by the gift of the Spirit reconciling humanity with God. Then it is said, " the wolf shall lie down with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together and a little child shall lead them " . This is the restoration to Paradise, a state which can only be found when we have passed through death into the new world, as Jesus promised the thief on the cross, " This day you shall be with me in Paradise " . (P.86) Then the whole creation will pass from its present state of extension in time and space with all the divisions and conflicts which mark this state, and the animal world will be reconciled with itself and with the human world. Finally it is said, " They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of God as the waters cover the sea " . (Isaiah 11:1-9) This state of Paradise comes when humanity emerges into a new state of consciousness, a state described as the " knowledge of the Lord " , that is the higher knowledge or 'gnosis', known in India as 'jnana', the direct experience of the indwelling Spirit of God. A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and Christian Faith) Bede Griffiths Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois ISBN 0-87243-180-0 " (end) After reading all this your conscience should be, without any doubt, disturbed by all that WCASY, Sir CP, the SY management have done to suppress the advent and message of the Comforter. Never forget that Jesus was always outside and against the religious organization of elders, chief priests and scribes (16:21) who had corrupted and edited the truth. After 2000 years the Comforter sent by Him is facing the same. If all this still doesn't prick your conscience to loudly demand transparency and honesty, then the evidence that Lord Jesus gave of one's own eternal nature, by resurrecting Himself after the crucifixion, will be in vain ............. all the more since the Comforter's lifelong attempt to complete Jesus' teachings and message also ends in abysmal failure. But for those who are concerned and conscientious, then yours is the Kingdom of Heaven, the new world that Jesus promised the thief on the cross. So do not be stained by, or associated with, the negativity that is working against Jesus in the SY organization - Do not empower them in any way because that is where the negativity's source and strength is! It is better you be the condemned thief outside the organization than a recognized SY within. That is why Xxxxxxx, a former ex/anti-SY has a much better chance that the SYs following WCASY, Sir CP and SY management, and i am willing to write this in stone. Only a fool will be unable to understand or heed this advice, especially so when Easter is just round the corner. Happy Easter to all, jagbir (We are off to Toronto for the long Easter week-end. Will be back on Monday. So celebrate the eternal nature of your own being and that promised Paradise that has been both proven and promised by the Savior. Remember at all times that even thieves have a better chance to enter the _spiritual_ Kingdom of God than the priestly class.) , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on > destroying the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost > succeeded! > > regards to all, > > > jagbir Dear Jagbir and All, i believe that the nature of this negativity is on two fronts, i.e. we have both leaders and followers who are making mistakes and not realizing it. The leaders are making the mistake of following their own ideas, instead of listening to the external incarnation, Shri Mataji. If they are not listening to the external Shri Mataji, how can they hope to please the internal Shri Mataji, who is the Holy Spirit? The same goes for the followers. If firstly they listen to the leaders that follow their own ideas, instead of what Shri Mataji is telling them, how can the followers please the Holy Spirit within? It is not surprising that if the Holy Spirit is not listened to and therefore becomes hurt, that the heart chakra will also 'catch'. The individual Spirit and the Holy Spirit are very closely connected. To what extent do Sahaja Yogis really understand this? " Just giving self-realization " like the leaders want the followers to do, is a Sahaj Game. It is not the real Sahaja Yoga. SYS who are just playing the " Just-give-self-realization " game, are not using all their knowledge (gnosis), nor all the tools at their disposal, to board the Ship and sail forward in full confidence to give Her Divine Message to the world-at-large. The " nature of the negativity that is bent on destroying the promised salvation of humanity..... and almost succeeded " , must surely include the following dangers that Shri Mataji spoke about at Caxton Hall, England in 1979. They are: 1. Going to the extent of cleaning the outer temple of the body so that a religion of first importance is given to that, while the most important part which is to be given to God, becomes of second importance. 2. Akarmanyata - not wanting to work things out due to laziness. 3. Akramanyata - losing one's vibrations, therefore not believing in them, but still coming back to Shri Mataji for healing, without ever equipping oneself with one's own inner spiritual healing from the Divine Mother/Holy Spirit Within. 4. Sanshaya - doubting what one has received, i.e. " doubting one's connection to the Divine " even though one has felt the Cool Breeze, thus proving that connection. 5. Pramada - making mistakes, but not realizing that one is making mistakes. 6. Bhrama-darshan - having fanciful ideas about oneself, that leads to lies or deceit. Shri Mataji describes this SY as one who is " cock- sure " about themself, but at the same time does not have mastery over their own vibrations, but will tell everyone else that 'this' or 'that' has no vibrations. This person is living in an illusion about themself, believing their own ideas about themself. 7. Vishaya Chitta - an attention that is still stuck on past misidentifications with external objects, rather than identifying with one's Spirit. regards to all, violet Re: 38 years now still the world knows ziltch about sy , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > k3k78 <Xxxxxxx > jagbir singh <adishakti_org > Monday, March 3, 2008 10:28:40 AM > Hello Jagbir > > Dear Jagbir, > Doing a search nepal living goddess > these news people are just crying out for a goddess > to run news on at the moment ? > me agree with you something really really really wrong > with sy those in charge > 38 years now still the world knows ziltch about sy > thats 38 years THIRTY EIGHT years > personaly i dont give any hope for the so called > sy organistion mr magoo would do better job. > > (1) sy needs just tell the truth which impiles also > to others. > else how will others know > > (2) we can agree the goddess within ok > like you said silence on self > > > regards > > Xxxxxxxx > Dear Xxxxxxxx and all, Sorry for the delay in responding as i was a bit busy elsewhere. The last time you wrote i responded thus: " April 18, 2007 Dear devotees of the Primordial Mother, Namaskaar - i bow to the Holy Spirit who resides in you. Today is a great day, at least for me personally. Today is Tuesday. Wonderful news and special events always seem to happen on Tuesdays, the day homage is paid to Shri Ganesha. i received an email from an disillusioned anti-SY who had left the organization a long time ago, probably in the 1980s. i know this person from the anti-SY forum where he was a prominent member and founding father. But i always felt that he had a good heart despite his anti-SY stance (and thus always treated him with respect). Today my faith in him has come a full circle - i feel peace.... /message/7782 " Yes, 38 years have passed and 99.99% of the world knows ziltch about Shri Mataji. Even though it is 11.59 pm the WCASY, Sir CP, the rank and file still do not have the realization that something is very, very, very wrong with the way they have always tried to spread Sahaja Yoga i.e., " Just give self-realization " . They still think this is the only way to reach the masses ......... despite 38 years of consistent failure, rejection and ridicule. For 38 years they have tried every means to spread the vision and message of Shri Mataji, ............... every means except being honest and straightforward as Shri Mataji had been. Even with 1 minute left before midnight they still do not want to try the only approach they never had tried - telling the plain truth! i have absolutely no idea why they don`t want to be truthful. No one seems to know why. Those who have tried to get an answer are always met with the Great Wall of Silence, and told to " Just give self-realization " . The rare one who persisted was told by the leader that the status quo must be followed. Just in case we wonder what is missing from this official SY status quo, i will quote Alex: " It is astonishing that the sahaja yogis, who believe Shri Mataji to be the savior of humanity prophecied by many religious scriptures, have not the conviction to promote her to the world openly, honestly and unashamedly as that. Promotion of the savior will draw more serious attention from many more people than do the current vague claims about stress relief and peace of mind. This lack of conviction speaks volumes and is the same reason they fail to respond to those who challenge SY. You simply can't be one thing and then attempt to portray yourself as another - no matter how clever you are, it shows and people see it very clearly. This is called hypocrisy. It indicates the vast majority of sahaja yogis are in a state of denial. On the premise that Shri Mataji is indeed the Adi Shakti, on what basis do the sahaja yogis take it upon themselves to discriminate as to whom is delivered the message of her present incarnation and by what convoluted process that message is selectively delivered? To take upon themselves to make such discriminations is an expression of an elitist, missionary culture motivated by power and authority over others. The message must be very plain and simple if every person on the planet is to be afforded the opportunity to draw their own conclusions about the goddess incarnate. Why do the sahaja yogis make something so simple so complicated?. Why are they doing so poor a job in telling the world of Shri Mataji, when as the goddess she will surely stand and be recognised as the reality they claim she is? My parting word is that like it or not, Shri Mataji and her sahaja yogis must face the issues presented by those who challenge them. Intelligent response is required and what remains to be seen is whether they are capable of this. The longer they avoid it, the more SY will be clearly identified to be lacking in credibility and its members in integrity. The more they will appear to be a cultish throw- back to the dark ages. I recommend the sahaja yogis today change their whole approach and start promoting SY as what it is - a religion focused around a personality who has claimed, and is understood by them, to be the Adi Shakti, divine mother of the universe. This is, after all, the year of exposure for SY. May truth prevail. " Yes, may truth prevail after 38 years of deliberate collective dishonesty. Anyone has any idea how long is 38 years? Can anyone name me a single spiritual or religious organization that have consciously lied that long? To make it easier to get a positive answer: Can anyone name me a single self-realized soul or believer in God Almighty who did so ........... since the dawn of civilization? Then how is it possible for tens of thousands to so easily do exactly that so today? What then is the nature of this negativity that is bent on destroying the promised salvation of humanity? ..... and almost succeeded! regards to all, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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