Christ, Conditioning, and the Ego - Part 3

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

We concluded Part 2 with the following:

 

" I met one gentleman who was wearing a pant which had lots of holes in

it. Imagine in the cold of London, wearing a pant like that! So I

said: " Why do you want to wear a pant which has holes? " He said: " This

is a holy pant " . A 'holy'! My goodness! It will give you a, it's

horrible! " What's wrong? We are anti-cultured people, so we are taking

now to holy pants " . I mean such stupid people, who are not only

uneducated, but are very well educated people. Highly placed people

are so conditioned. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Christmas Puja

Ganapatipule, India

24 December, 1995

 

Here now, is Part 3.

 

Enjoy!

 

violet

 

 

Christ, Conditioning, and the Ego - Part 3

 

Highly placed people are 'so conditioned', and this conditioning has caused so

much damage to human beings. For example, to accept Freud had just become a

complete religion in the West! Freud became Christ at that level! Though he was

a Jew and dominated the Western cultures so much, i just won't understand the

impact of this stupid man - who would have been thrown into the sea had he come

to India!

 

But the 'conditioning' part is that everything that is written is 'the law' -

and they accepted this man so much that the culture of the West became

absolutely self-destructive. No respect, no morality, nothing was lofty. All the

value system was shattered because they accepted this kind of nonsense because

it was written!

 

Even today I read that in 'such and such books' such is written. " In that book "

such is written. This is a terrible conditioning. For example, it's written in

the Bible that the Jews crucified Christ. Nonsense! Just use your brains! How

could the Jews crucify Christ?! They were in the multitude! In any country, have

you heard that a person can be crucified by the general opinion of the people?!

It's the Roman government; the Roman government did that! But to put the blame

on the Jews was a 'very good idea' of a 'very cunning man' called Mr. Paul and

people accepted that because it suited them to hate the Jews. Then the Jews

started creating people like Freud. So all conditioning also has reactions, and

these conditionings then build up, and once they build up, their reactions also

build up, and then you have a country full of all kinds of chaos, fear,

violence, and destruction.

 

The conditioning is more also with the idea of possession, 'This is my land',

'this position is mine' - like, it goes up to a point where people who believed

in a formless God also fight for land. Why should they? They believe in a

formless God, so why should they fight for the land? But they go on fighting for

the land. And this fighting for the land can go to any extent of very cruel

things that work out in the whole country. You can see that conditionings are of

every kind - that people are blinding their eyes to it.

 

For example, in the Koran. The simple thing is that the Koran was never written

by Mohammed. He never knew how to read and write. It's a fact that for forty

years it was not written. There was a fellow called " Mouria " or something like

that, who killed his son who was the second Caliph. The first one died very

early. Then he killed the third one also. Then he killed the fourth one, just to

become the Caliph himself. And the liver of this fourth Caliph was eaten by the

mother of this horrible fellow who hated women. So he puts it down in the Koran,

all the things against women. And people accepted it because it's in the Koran.

 

Somebody has made fun of the Koran and written what's wrong [in the Koran], how

stupid it is, and all that. So I asked him:

 

" What is the use of writing this book? "

 

He said: " I never thought of the use " .

 

" Then why do you write it? It must have some use. It's a useless book! It's only

useful that by reading this, all the people who are not Muslims will laugh at

Islam. And those Muslims will say: 'Well this is our book and whatever it says,

we believe in that, we're conditioned like that'. So you don't solve the

problem " I said.

 

He said: " Then what should I do? "

 

I said: " You write another book saying that: 'I've written about all this

stupidity in the Koran, because I know it was not written by Mohammed.' Don't

write anything against Mohammed. He is the one who is the incarnation of the

'Tatriya' - so he never wrote it so! All these people have done all these

things! "

 

This conditioning can be remoulded, if you know what sort of life Christ led.

That's very important. First of all, He was born in a manger. To be born in a

manger means " poor circumstances " . That means He shows there is no need to have

money or to have a huge big property with which to impress people. Those were

the days where people expected tapasya [penances]. So He came on earth and lived

like a Tapasi.

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Christmas Puja

Ganapatipule, India

24 December, 1995

[Guest guest]

, " Violet " <violetubb

wrote:

 

" The conditioning is more also with the idea of possession, 'This is

my land', 'this position is mine' - like, it goes up to a point where

people who believed in a formless God also fight for land. Why should

they? They believe in a formless God, so why should they fight for the

land? But they go on fighting for the land. And this fighting for the

land can go to any extent of very cruel things that work out in the

whole country. You can see that conditionings are of every kind - that

people are blinding their eyes to it. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Christmas Puja

Ganapatipule, India

24 December, 1995

 

 

" The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets of

impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos. By the time the barrier is finished

it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian land. This is

the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war. And although the United

States officially opposes settlement expansion and the barrier, it also funds

them.

 

The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems

and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own

military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets.

The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO

allies. And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the

United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the

region's first nuclear weapons program. "

 

Chris Hedges - Princeton University

(former Middle East Bureau Chief of the New York Times)

 

http://3rdofmoreontherapidslideofzionism.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

> Dear All,

>

> We concluded Part 2 with the following:

>

> " I met one gentleman who was wearing a pant which had lots of holes in

> it. Imagine in the cold of London, wearing a pant like that! So I

> said: " Why do you want to wear a pant which has holes? " He said: " This

> is a holy pant " . A 'holy'! My goodness! It will give you a, it's

> horrible! " What's wrong? We are anti-cultured people, so we are taking

> now to holy pants " . I mean such stupid people, who are not only

> uneducated, but are very well educated people. Highly placed people

> are so conditioned. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Christmas Puja

> Ganapatipule, India

> 24 December, 1995

>

> Here now, is Part 3.

>

> Enjoy!

>

> violet

>

>

> Christ, Conditioning, and the Ego - Part 3

>

> Highly placed people are 'so conditioned', and this conditioning has

caused so much damage to human beings. For example, to accept Freud

had just become a complete religion in the West! Freud became Christ

at that level! Though he was a Jew and dominated the Western cultures

so much, i just won't understand the impact of this stupid man - who

would have been thrown into the sea had he come to India!

>

> But the 'conditioning' part is that everything that is written is

'the law' - and they accepted this man so much that the culture of the

West became absolutely self-destructive. No respect, no morality,

nothing was lofty. All the value system was shattered because they

accepted this kind of nonsense because it was written!

>

> Even today I read that in 'such and such books' such is written. " In

that book " such is written. This is a terrible conditioning. For

example, it's written in the Bible that the Jews crucified Christ.

Nonsense! Just use your brains! How could the Jews crucify Christ?!

They were in the multitude! In any country, have you heard that a

person can be crucified by the general opinion of the people?! It's

the Roman government; the Roman government did that! But to put the

blame on the Jews was a 'very good idea' of a 'very cunning man'

called Mr. Paul and people accepted that because it suited them to

hate the Jews. Then the Jews started creating people like Freud. So

all conditioning also has reactions, and these conditionings then

build up, and once they build up, their reactions also build up, and

then you have a country full of all kinds of chaos, fear, violence,

and destruction.

>

> The conditioning is more also with the idea of possession, 'This is

my land', 'this position is mine' - like, it goes up to a point where

people who believed in a formless God also fight for land. Why should

they? They believe in a formless God, so why should they fight for the

land? But they go on fighting for the land. And this fighting for the

land can go to any extent of very cruel things that work out in the

whole country. You can see that conditionings are of every kind - that

people are blinding their eyes to it.

>

> For example, in the Koran. The simple thing is that the Koran was

never written by Mohammed. He never knew how to read and write. It's a

fact that for forty years it was not written. There was a fellow

called " Mouria " or something like that, who killed his son who was the

second Caliph. The first one died very early. Then he killed the third

one also. Then he killed the fourth one, just to become the Caliph

himself. And the liver of this fourth Caliph was eaten by the mother

of this horrible fellow who hated women. So he puts it down in the

Koran, all the things against women. And people accepted it because

it's in the Koran.

>

> Somebody has made fun of the Koran and written what's wrong [in the

Koran], how stupid it is, and all that. So I asked him:

>

> " What is the use of writing this book? "

>

> He said: " I never thought of the use " .

>

> " Then why do you write it? It must have some use. It's a useless

book! It's only useful that by reading this, all the people who are

not Muslims will laugh at Islam. And those Muslims will say: 'Well

this is our book and whatever it says, we believe in that, we're

conditioned like that'. So you don't solve the problem " I said.

>

> He said: " Then what should I do? "

>

> I said: " You write another book saying that: 'I've written about all

this stupidity in the Koran, because I know it was not written by

Mohammed.' Don't write anything against Mohammed. He is the one who is

the incarnation of the 'Tatriya' - so he never wrote it so! All these

people have done all these things! "

>

> This conditioning can be remoulded, if you know what sort of life

Christ led. That's very important. First of all, He was born in a

manger. To be born in a manger means " poor circumstances " . That means

He shows there is no need to have money or to have a huge big property

with which to impress people. Those were the days where people

expected tapasya [penances]. So He came on earth and lived like a Tapasi.

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Christmas Puja

> Ganapatipule, India

> 24 December, 1995

>