Shri Mataji Why was this compromise not possible with Christ?

[Guest guest]

>

> " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

> Only as a contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

> compromise not possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with

> us today - that we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are

> negative people and we do not mind Christ being crucified? "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> Ashram, London England

> 6 April, 1980

>

 

Dear Violet and all,

 

To mark this official and collective directive: " Let's shoebeat Jagbir

into submission to our vast and legendary SYSSR powers " , i have

updated this link:

 

http://adishakti.org/forum/never_in_history_have_so_many_borne_witness_to_a_grea\

ter_act_of_untruth,%20hypocrisy%20and%20cowardice_3-30-2005.htm

 

to reflect the true nature of the immense, entrenched negativity

within the SY organization that has since the 1970s worked

relentlessly to prevent the Comforter's message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection entering the consciousness of many people and

nations.

 

Now it is the fight to the finish to ensure that this dishonest SY

organization also meets the same fate assured by Shri Mataji for all

those who do not express the absolute Truth in these modern times:

 

" The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these modern

times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

destroy it! " Shri Mataji

 

Why was this compromise of truth not possible with Christ, even on

pain of death? Are we to compromise ourselves with these thieves of

truth-WCASY, leaders, Sir C.P. and rank and file SYs-who are negative

people within the SY organization ..... and do not mind Christ's

crucifixtion to be in vain?

 

Simon Montford Dicon has ended hostilities since Jun 19, 2008, and i

am pretty sure that this forum and related websites has made him

understand the Comforter and Her mission and message far better than

he was ever able in all his years in the SYSSR, and the fanaticism,

fear and inquisition tendencies it infects the rank and file with.

 

" ending hostilities

 

I'm 43 in a couple of days

 

I was in SY for 6 years, had 7 off and then exposed it for 11, most

recently on Wikipedia

 

But enough's enough, so I'm disengaging now.

 

any friendly folks are free to contact me, from whatever side of the

'great divide'

 

I hope you all find what you're looking for.

 

Best, Simon Dicon

 

talk-about-sahaja-yoga/message/15918

 

 

The SY organization is taking desperate, drastic measures because it

is just realizing that i truly meant business when i said:

 

" i make a good friend but a far better foe. "

 

Time is on Her side WCASY, time is on Her side .... and mine too,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violetubb wrote:

>

> Dear WCASY and All,

>

> Your No.1 Enemy is really Jagbir and your list should really have

gone like this:

>

> 1. Jagbir Singh

> 2. Simon de Montford

> 3. Nick Delonas

>

> i mean, you should give credit due, where it's due. Simon has

already 'defeated' you with lies against Shri Mataji? How is that

possible? But Jagbir will defeat you just by telling the simple

truth, as he always has done:

>

> " The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these Modern

Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

destroy it! "

>

> So the only recourse is to do a turnaround, and tell the truth in

full like Shri Mataji told it. Or has the horse bolted from the

starting line, and is it too late for you now? That doesn't matter.

It is better to lose your leadership position and admit the truth. It

is better to gain your soul and lose your earthly kingdom than to try

and keep your earthly kingdom and lose your soul in the process.

>

> with love,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " Violet " <violetubb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> >

> > Or even better, why not get Sir C.P. to ask Shri Mataji to invite

> > Jagbir to see Her, and officially ask Jagbir to quit the

> http://www.adishakti.org/ ? That is a very simple suggestion i give

> to WCASY which as the Will of Shri Mataji, they should be able to

> arrange. i mean an audience with Shri Mataji Herself! And if Shri

> Mataji asks Jagbir to quit, he will! But if WCASY can't do this one

> simple thing, then stop your anti-God activities! Stop asking Sahaja

> Yogis to shoebeat Jagbir! Because i think we all agree that Shri

> Mataji has given the Ultimate Truth - or don't we, WCASY???!!!

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

<violetubb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> > >

> > > Since Jagbir said that if Shri Mataji asked him Herself to quit

> > writing the http://www.adishakti.org/ he would quit - why are

Sahaja

> > Yogis wasting their time shoebeating Jagbir, instead of asking

Shri

> > Mataji to make Jagbir quit the site, in which case we'll all be

gone!

> > >

> > > with warm regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

<violetubb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > i believe that if memory serves correctly, that Shri Mataji

told us

> > > that She got the shoebeating technique from Mohammed. i looked

up Shri

> > > Mataji's talks, expecting to find at least a few references on

> > > shoebeating - but surprisingly, found only one official quote.

Here

> > it is:

> > > >

> > > > " Firstly you become real and very good citizens with moral

values

> > > which are your foundation. You yourself judge yourself. You are

> > > realised souls and I leave it to you to judge yourself. When

you lose

> > > your vibrations, you become silent. Silence can also be from

other

> > > agencies [such as] negative forces from the left side of the

Agnya

> > > giving you ideas. You must have your own ideas! " I can't, I go

on

> > > thinking " - this nonsense goes on! Just tell yourself: " How

dare do I

> > > do all this nonsense of my left side?! " Those who are left-sided

> > > better go for lemon treatment and shoebeating. Those who are

> > > right-sided better shoe-beat themselves 108 times. Get in the

centre! "

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > Formal Talk - Advice

> > > > Chelsham Rd., England

> > > > 'Subconscious, Supraconscious and Correct Foundations &

Ideals'

> > > > 24 May, 1981

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji was talking about an 'individual silence' due to

> > > negative forces here:

> > > >

> > > > " When you lose your vibrations, you become silent. Silence

can also

> > > be from other agencies [such as] negative forces from the left

side of

> > > the Agnya giving you ideas. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

> > > >

> > > > But that kind of 'individual silence' due to negative forces -

can

> > > also become a 'Collective Silence' of negative forces. Where

people

> > > from a same organisation all decided to think the same negative

way.

> > > Here are some examples (and their solution):

> > > >

> > > > 1. The leaders must be obeyed, even if they tell us things

that are

> > > not 100% right sometimes!

> > > >

> > > > [Obeying or listening to leaders is conditional on you and the

> > > leader. If your leader tells you something that is against your

> > > Spirit, or against what your Spirit knows to be right - then you

> > > naturally cannot obey him. If you do obey him you are

spiritually

> > > foolish and in jeopardy of your Salvation.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. They say that Sahaja Yoga is a unique form of meditation -

so

> > > that's what it is!

> > > >

> > > > [When a person is totally honest with themselves and with

others -

> > > then they have to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

but the

> > > truth! It can't be compartmentalized, which changes it so that

it is

> > > not even recognized for what it was originally. That's what's

happened

> > > when Shri Mataji's saying of: " Sahaja Yoga is your Spontaneous

Union

> > > with the Divine " has been changed into: " Sahaja Yoga is a unique

> > > method of meditation " . It's not even technically correct -

because the

> > > horse always comes before the cart. And in Sahaja Yoga,

the 'horse' of

> > > Kundalini Awakening/Spontaneous Union with the Divine always

comes

> > > before the 'cart' of thoughtless Awareness/Sahaja meditation.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. They say that all we have to do is give self-realisation -

so

> > > that's all we have to do!

> > > >

> > > > [Then everyone's fooling themselves! It's clear that Shri

Mataji

> > > said to do much more.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. They say we should shoebeat Jagbir because he is doing

better in

> > > the internet ratings - so that's what we'll do!

> > > >

> > > > [People shouldn't shoebeat a Sahaja Yogi for doing well on the

> > > internet in promoting Shri Mataji's Identity, Mission and

Message.

> > > Instead they should start promoting Shri Mataji in the same

way. Then

> > > they may do as well also!]

> > > >

> > > > WCASY's will is not Shri Mataji's Will. The two are

different. Lets

> > > face the facts!

> > > >

> > > > regards to all,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

Only

> as a

> > > > > contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

compromise not

> > > > > possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with us

today -

> that

> > > > > we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are negative

people

> and we

> > > > > do not mind Christ being crucified? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > > Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> > > > > Ashram, London England

> > > > > 6 April, 1980

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , alice abergel

> > > > > <lilysharmila@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I haven't seen the mail about shoe-beating Jagbir.

> > > > > > Shoe beating has never harmed no one,as You know

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , on the contrary it helps... I shoe beat my self often..

> > > > > > And for me about Jagbir or Violet or any one else, it's

> harmful to

> > > > > say things against other yogis, wether they are leaders or

no !

> > > > > > What ever happened it's about time to forgive....and

forget..

> > > > > > Lord Christ forgave even on the cross....

> > > > > > And as we say in Jewish religion " God Knows His

Children "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love Sharmila

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The greatest spiritual autority of our century , " Shri

Mataji

> > > > > Nirma la Devi " gives you the " realisation " ,at

> www.sahajayoga.org or

> > > > > at www.jemedite.be " My blog sharmila108-

abergel.bogspot.comDaphe

> > > > > D. , www.myspace.com/daphnedharakiri,Vincent

> > > > > Delbushaye.,www.myspace.com/vincentdelbushayeSamia Smahi ,

Samia

> > > > > Smahi.net

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

> > Only as a contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

> > compromise not possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with

> > us today - that we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are

> > negative people and we do not mind Christ being crucified? "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> > Ashram, London England

> > 6 April, 1980

 

 

Dear Jagbir and all,

 

On the Day of Resurrection (Easter) Shri Mataji said:

 

" Do we also have the same with us today - that we compromise ourselves with

thieves, who are negative people and we do not mind Christ being crucified [all

over again]? "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Easter Puja, Formal Talk

Ashram, London England

6 April, 1980

 

How could Sahaja Yogis, as self-realised people, be 'crucifying Christ' all over

again? If we look at Shri Mataji's verse closely, She makes it clear how: By

'compromising' themselves with 'negative people' who are 'thieves' - i.e.

'thieves' of Christ's Resurrection Message. That's why the Sahaja Yogis " do not

mind Christ being crucified [all over again]. " That's also why they don't mind

Jagbir being 'crucified' either.

 

In a similar vein, Shri Mataji told Sahaja Yogis that due to their ignorance,

they couldn't understand who was for their ascent [and who wasn't]:

 

" Our associations and our understandings of each other is deluded by our

ignorance and we cannot understand who is for our ascent and who is for our

benevolence. This happens with us in so many ways. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Lord Buddha Puja

San Diego, U.S.A.

23/07/88

 

 

Jagbir, that's why we have to help Shri Mataji straighten out all these problems

in Sahaja Yoga, from " outside " of the organisation itself. The ignorance

" inside " is of immense proportions as revealed by Shri Mataji:

 

" It's Vishwa Nirmala Dharma. That means we have now become universal beings. We

are no more Indians, no more Africans, no more English, no more French. We have

now all become Sahaja Yogis who are the citizens of the Kingdom of God. We have

no other identification. This is our Dharma. We are now leading a universal

life. But Sahaja Yogis are not like that. So many of them still identify

themselves with the localised stuff. Now, when you think of universality, we

have to understand that it's not only the religion or a country that separates

us, but also a kind of 'quality'. For example, if there are people who are

Rajo-gunis, who are very active right-sided people, they'll combine together.

They may fight later but they combine. Then the people who are left-sides will

combine together, but both of these should cling onto those who are trying to

ascend, who are in the center. And there is where we fail very much. Our

associations and our understandings of each other is deluded by our ignorance

and we cannot understand who is for our ascent and who is for our benevolence.

This happens with us in so many ways. "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Lord Buddha Puja

San Diego, U.S.A.

23/07/88

 

But thankfully, as you also say, Jagbir - time is on our side.

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> >

> > " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

> > Only as a contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

> > compromise not possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with

> > us today - that we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are

> > negative people and we do not mind Christ being crucified? "

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> > Ashram, London England

> > 6 April, 1980

> >

>

> Dear Violet and all,

>

> To mark this official and collective directive: " Let's shoebeat

> Jagbir into submission to our vast and legendary SYSSR powers " , i

> have updated this link:

>

>

http://adishakti.org/forum/never_in_history_have_so_many_borne_witness_to_a_grea\

ter_act_of_untruth,%20hypocrisy%20and%20cowardice_3-30-2005.htm

>

> to reflect the true nature of the immense, entrenched negativity

> within the SY organization that has since the 1970s worked

> relentlessly to prevent the Comforter's message of the Last Judgment

> and Resurrection entering the consciousness of many people and

> nations.

>

> Now it is the fight to the finish to ensure that this dishonest SY

> organization also meets the same fate assured by Shri Mataji for all

> those who do not express the absolute Truth in these modern times:

>

> " The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these modern

> times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

> contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

> destroy it! " Shri Mataji

>

> Why was this compromise of truth not possible with Christ, even on

> pain of death? Are we to compromise ourselves with these thieves of

> truth-WCASY, leaders, Sir C.P. and rank and file SYs-who are

> negative people within the SY organization ..... and do not mind

> Christ's crucifixion to be in vain?

>

> Simon Montford Dicon has ended hostilities since Jun 19, 2008, and i

> am pretty sure that this forum and related websites has made him

> understand the Comforter and Her mission and message far better than

> he was ever able in all his years in the SYSSR, and the fanaticism,

> fear and inquisition tendencies it infects the rank and file with.

>

> " ending hostilities

>

> I'm 43 in a couple of days

>

> I was in SY for 6 years, had 7 off and then exposed it for 11, most

> recently on Wikipedia

>

> But enough's enough, so I'm disengaging now.

>

> any friendly folks are free to contact me, from whatever side of the

> 'great divide'

>

> I hope you all find what you're looking for.

>

> Best, Simon Dicon

>

> talk-about-sahaja-yoga/message/15918

>

>

> The SY organization is taking desperate, drastic measures because it

> is just realizing that i truly meant business when i said:

>

> " i make a good friend but a far better foe. "

>

> Time is on Her side WCASY, time is on Her side .... and mine too,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> , " Violet "

> <violetubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear WCASY and All,

> >

> > Your No.1 Enemy is really Jagbir and your list should really have

> gone like this:

> >

> > 1. Jagbir Singh

> > 2. Simon de Montford

> > 3. Nick Delonas

> >

> > i mean, you should give credit due, where it's due. Simon has

> already 'defeated' you with lies against Shri Mataji? How is that

> possible? But Jagbir will defeat you just by telling the simple

> truth, as he always has done:

> >

> > " The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these Modern

> Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

> contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

> destroy it! "

> >

> > So the only recourse is to do a turnaround, and tell the truth in

> full like Shri Mataji told it. Or has the horse bolted from the

> starting line, and is it too late for you now? That doesn't matter.

> It is better to lose your leadership position and admit the truth.

> It is better to gain your soul and lose your earthly kingdom than to

try

> and keep your earthly kingdom and lose your soul in the process.

> >

> > with love,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Violet " <violetubb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> > >

> > > Or even better, why not get Sir C.P. to ask Shri Mataji to invite

> > > Jagbir to see Her, and officially ask Jagbir to quit the

> > http://www.adishakti.org/ ? That is a very simple suggestion i give

> > to WCASY which as the Will of Shri Mataji, they should be able to

> > arrange. i mean an audience with Shri Mataji Herself! And if Shri

> > Mataji asks Jagbir to quit, he will! But if WCASY can't do this one

> > simple thing, then stop your anti-God activities! Stop asking Sahaja

> > Yogis to shoebeat Jagbir! Because i think we all agree that Shri

> > Mataji has given the Ultimate Truth - or don't we, WCASY???!!!

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

> <violetubb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> > > >

> > > > Since Jagbir said that if Shri Mataji asked him Herself to quit

> > > writing the http://www.adishakti.org/ he would quit - why are

> Sahaja

> > > Yogis wasting their time shoebeating Jagbir, instead of asking

> Shri

> > > Mataji to make Jagbir quit the site, in which case we'll all be

> gone!

> > > >

> > > > with warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Violet "

> <violetubb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > i believe that if memory serves correctly, that Shri Mataji

> told us

> > > > that She got the shoebeating technique from Mohammed. i looked

> up Shri

> > > > Mataji's talks, expecting to find at least a few references on

> > > > shoebeating - but surprisingly, found only one official quote.

> Here

> > > it is:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Firstly you become real and very good citizens with moral

> values

> > > > which are your foundation. You yourself judge yourself. You are

> > > > realised souls and I leave it to you to judge yourself. When

> you lose

> > > > your vibrations, you become silent. Silence can also be from

> other

> > > > agencies [such as] negative forces from the left side of the

> Agnya

> > > > giving you ideas. You must have your own ideas! " I can't, I go

> on

> > > > thinking " - this nonsense goes on! Just tell yourself: " How

> dare do I

> > > > do all this nonsense of my left side?! " Those who are left-sided

> > > > better go for lemon treatment and shoebeating. Those who are

> > > > right-sided better shoe-beat themselves 108 times. Get in the

> centre! "

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > > Formal Talk - Advice

> > > > > Chelsham Rd., England

> > > > > 'Subconscious, Supraconscious and Correct Foundations &

> Ideals'

> > > > > 24 May, 1981

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji was talking about an 'individual silence' due to

> > > > negative forces here:

> > > > >

> > > > > " When you lose your vibrations, you become silent. Silence

> can also

> > > > be from other agencies [such as] negative forces from the left

> side of

> > > > the Agnya giving you ideas. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

> > > > >

> > > > > But that kind of 'individual silence' due to negative forces -

> can

> > > > also become a 'Collective Silence' of negative forces. Where

> people

> > > > from a same organisation all decided to think the same negative

> way.

> > > > Here are some examples (and their solution):

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. The leaders must be obeyed, even if they tell us things

> that are

> > > > not 100% right sometimes!

> > > > >

> > > > > [Obeying or listening to leaders is conditional on you and the

> > > > leader. If your leader tells you something that is against your

> > > > Spirit, or against what your Spirit knows to be right - then you

> > > > naturally cannot obey him. If you do obey him you are

> spiritually

> > > > foolish and in jeopardy of your Salvation.]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. They say that Sahaja Yoga is a unique form of meditation -

> so

> > > > that's what it is!

> > > > >

> > > > > [When a person is totally honest with themselves and with

> others -

> > > > then they have to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

> but the

> > > > truth! It can't be compartmentalized, which changes it so that

> it is

> > > > not even recognized for what it was originally. That's what's

> happened

> > > > when Shri Mataji's saying of: " Sahaja Yoga is your Spontaneous

> Union

> > > > with the Divine " has been changed into: " Sahaja Yoga is a unique

> > > > method of meditation " . It's not even technically correct -

> because the

> > > > horse always comes before the cart. And in Sahaja Yoga,

> the 'horse' of

> > > > Kundalini Awakening/Spontaneous Union with the Divine always

> comes

> > > > before the 'cart' of thoughtless Awareness/Sahaja meditation.]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. They say that all we have to do is give self-realisation -

> so

> > > > that's all we have to do!

> > > > >

> > > > > [Then everyone's fooling themselves! It's clear that Shri

> Mataji

> > > > said to do much more.]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. They say we should shoebeat Jagbir because he is doing

> better in

> > > > the internet ratings - so that's what we'll do!

> > > > >

> > > > > [People shouldn't shoebeat a Sahaja Yogi for doing well on the

> > > > internet in promoting Shri Mataji's Identity, Mission and

> Message.

> > > > Instead they should start promoting Shri Mataji in the same

> way. Then

> > > > they may do as well also!]

> > > > >

> > > > > WCASY's will is not Shri Mataji's Will. The two are

> different. Lets

> > > > face the facts!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards to all,

> > > > >

> > > > > violet

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

> Only

> > as a

> > > > > > contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

> compromise not

> > > > > > possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with us

> today -

> > that

> > > > > > we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are negative

> people

> > and we

> > > > > > do not mind Christ being crucified? "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > > > Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> > > > > > Ashram, London England

> > > > > > 6 April, 1980

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , alice abergel

> > > > > > <lilysharmila@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear all

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I haven't seen the mail about shoe-beating Jagbir.

> > > > > > > Shoe beating has never harmed no one,as You know

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , on the contrary it helps... I shoe beat my self often..

> > > > > > > And for me about Jagbir or Violet or any one else, it's

> > harmful to

> > > > > > say things against other yogis, wether they are leaders or

> no !

> > > > > > > What ever happened it's about time to forgive....and

> forget..

> > > > > > > Lord Christ forgave even on the cross....

> > > > > > > And as we say in Jewish religion " God Knows His

> Children "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Love Sharmila

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The greatest spiritual autority of our century , " Shri

> Mataji

> > > > > > Nirma la Devi " gives you the " realisation " ,at

> > www.sahajayoga.org or

> > > > > > at www.jemedite.be " My blog sharmila108-

> abergel.bogspot.comDaphe

> > > > > > D. , www.myspace.com/daphnedharakiri,Vincent

> > > > > > Delbushaye.,www.myspace.com/vincentdelbushayeSamia Smahi ,

> Samia

> > > > > > Smahi.net

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i have again updated the link to more accurately describe the true

nature of the antichrist negativity that is entrenched in the SY

organization.

 

WCASY can take each and every of such posts and show them to Shri

Mataji. i will tell Her that i stand by all that is written, and that

i will not budge a single inch from that position as i am only

following Her words and my own conscience! And under no circumstance

can WCASY, SY leaders or even Sir C.P. be exempted from the charge

that they have collectively and willfully severely compromised the

Comforter's message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection.

 

So for how much longer are SYs going to compromise themselves " with

thieves, who are negative people and we do not mind Christ being

crucified? " One can only grasp the history and scale of this unholy

monstrosity thus:

 

http://adishakti.org/forum/never_in_history_have_so_many_borne_witness_to_a_grea\

ter_act_of_untruth,%20hypocrisy%20and%20cowardice_3-30-2005.htm

 

Main Entry: mon·stros·i·ty

a: an object of great and often frightening size, force, or

complexity b: an excessively bad or shocking example

 

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 

 

and all these so-called self-realized souls dream of eternal life!?,

 

jagbir

 

 

>

> " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

> Only as a contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

> compromise not possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with

> us today - that we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are

> negative people and we do not mind Christ being crucified? "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> Ashram, London England

> 6 April, 1980

>

 

Dear Violet and all,

 

To mark this official and collective directive: " Let's shoebeat Jagbir

into submission to our vast and legendary SYSSR powers " , i have

updated this link:

 

http://adishakti.org/forum/never_in_history_have_so_many_borne_witness

_to_a_grea\

ter_act_of_untruth,%20hypocrisy%20and%20cowardice_3-30-2005.htm

 

to reflect the true nature of the immense, entrenched negativity

within the SY organization that has since the 1970s worked

relentlessly to prevent the Comforter's message of the Last Judgment

and Resurrection entering the consciousness of many people and

nations.

 

Now it is the fight to the finish to ensure that this dishonest SY

organization also meets the same fate assured by Shri Mataji for all

those who do not express the absolute Truth in these modern times:

 

" The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these modern

times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

destroy it! " Shri Mataji

 

Why was this compromise of truth not possible with Christ, even on

pain of death? Are we to compromise ourselves with these thieves of

truth-WCASY, leaders, Sir C.P. and rank and file SYs-who are negative

people within the SY organization ..... and do not mind Christ's

crucifixtion to be in vain?

 

Simon Montford Dicon has ended hostilities since Jun 19, 2008, and i

am pretty sure that this forum and related websites has made him

understand the Comforter and Her mission and message far better than

he was ever able in all his years in the SYSSR, and the fanaticism,

fear and inquisition tendencies it infects the rank and file with.

 

" ending hostilities

 

I'm 43 in a couple of days

 

I was in SY for 6 years, had 7 off and then exposed it for 11, most

recently on Wikipedia

 

But enough's enough, so I'm disengaging now.

 

any friendly folks are free to contact me, from whatever side of the

'great divide'

 

I hope you all find what you're looking for.

 

Best, Simon Dicon

 

talk-about-sahaja-yoga/message/15918

 

 

The SY organization is taking desperate, drastic measures because it

is just realizing that i truly meant business when i said:

 

" i make a good friend but a far better foe. "

 

Time is on Her side WCASY, time is on Her side .... and mine too,

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violetubb wrote:

>

> Dear WCASY and All,

>

> Your No.1 Enemy is really Jagbir and your list should really have

gone like this:

>

> 1. Jagbir Singh

> 2. Simon de Montford

> 3. Nick Delonas

>

> i mean, you should give credit due, where it's due. Simon has

already 'defeated' you with lies against Shri Mataji? How is that

possible? But Jagbir will defeat you just by telling the simple

truth, as he always has done:

>

> " The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these Modern

Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On the

contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood and

destroy it! "

>

> So the only recourse is to do a turnaround, and tell the truth in

full like Shri Mataji told it. Or has the horse bolted from the

starting line, and is it too late for you now? That doesn't matter.

It is better to lose your leadership position and admit the truth. It

is better to gain your soul and lose your earthly kingdom than to try

and keep your earthly kingdom and lose your soul in the process.

>

> with love,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " Violet " <violetubb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> >

> > Or even better, why not get Sir C.P. to ask Shri Mataji to invite

> > Jagbir to see Her, and officially ask Jagbir to quit the

> http://www.adishakti.org/ ? That is a very simple suggestion i give

> to WCASY which as the Will of Shri Mataji, they should be able to

> arrange. i mean an audience with Shri Mataji Herself! And if Shri

> Mataji asks Jagbir to quit, he will! But if WCASY can't do this one

> simple thing, then stop your anti-God activities! Stop asking Sahaja

> Yogis to shoebeat Jagbir! Because i think we all agree that Shri

> Mataji has given the Ultimate Truth - or don't we, WCASY???!!!

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> > , " Violet "

<violetubb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sahaja Yogis,

> > >

> > > Since Jagbir said that if Shri Mataji asked him Herself to quit

> > writing the http://www.adishakti.org/ he would quit - why are

Sahaja

> > Yogis wasting their time shoebeating Jagbir, instead of asking

Shri

> > Mataji to make Jagbir quit the site, in which case we'll all be

gone!

> > >

> > > with warm regards,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Violet "

<violetubb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > i believe that if memory serves correctly, that Shri Mataji

told us

> > > that She got the shoebeating technique from Mohammed. i looked

up Shri

> > > Mataji's talks, expecting to find at least a few references on

> > > shoebeating - but surprisingly, found only one official quote.

Here

> > it is:

> > > >

> > > > " Firstly you become real and very good citizens with moral

values

> > > which are your foundation. You yourself judge yourself. You are

> > > realised souls and I leave it to you to judge yourself. When

you lose

> > > your vibrations, you become silent. Silence can also be from

other

> > > agencies [such as] negative forces from the left side of the

Agnya

> > > giving you ideas. You must have your own ideas! " I can't, I go

on

> > > thinking " - this nonsense goes on! Just tell yourself: " How

dare do I

> > > do all this nonsense of my left side?! " Those who are left-sided

> > > better go for lemon treatment and shoebeating. Those who are

> > > right-sided better shoe-beat themselves 108 times. Get in the

centre! "

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > Formal Talk - Advice

> > > > Chelsham Rd., England

> > > > 'Subconscious, Supraconscious and Correct Foundations &

Ideals'

> > > > 24 May, 1981

> > > >

> > > > Shri Mataji was talking about an 'individual silence' due to

> > > negative forces here:

> > > >

> > > > " When you lose your vibrations, you become silent. Silence

can also

> > > be from other agencies [such as] negative forces from the left

side of

> > > the Agnya giving you ideas. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi)

> > > >

> > > > But that kind of 'individual silence' due to negative forces -

can

> > > also become a 'Collective Silence' of negative forces. Where

people

> > > from a same organisation all decided to think the same negative

way.

> > > Here are some examples (and their solution):

> > > >

> > > > 1. The leaders must be obeyed, even if they tell us things

that are

> > > not 100% right sometimes!

> > > >

> > > > [Obeying or listening to leaders is conditional on you and the

> > > leader. If your leader tells you something that is against your

> > > Spirit, or against what your Spirit knows to be right - then you

> > > naturally cannot obey him. If you do obey him you are

spiritually

> > > foolish and in jeopardy of your Salvation.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. They say that Sahaja Yoga is a unique form of meditation -

so

> > > that's what it is!

> > > >

> > > > [When a person is totally honest with themselves and with

others -

> > > then they have to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing

but the

> > > truth! It can't be compartmentalized, which changes it so that

it is

> > > not even recognized for what it was originally. That's what's

happened

> > > when Shri Mataji's saying of: " Sahaja Yoga is your Spontaneous

Union

> > > with the Divine " has been changed into: " Sahaja Yoga is a unique

> > > method of meditation " . It's not even technically correct -

because the

> > > horse always comes before the cart. And in Sahaja Yoga,

the 'horse' of

> > > Kundalini Awakening/Spontaneous Union with the Divine always

comes

> > > before the 'cart' of thoughtless Awareness/Sahaja meditation.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. They say that all we have to do is give self-realisation -

so

> > > that's all we have to do!

> > > >

> > > > [Then everyone's fooling themselves! It's clear that Shri

Mataji

> > > said to do much more.]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. They say we should shoebeat Jagbir because he is doing

better in

> > > the internet ratings - so that's what we'll do!

> > > >

> > > > [People shouldn't shoebeat a Sahaja Yogi for doing well on the

> > > internet in promoting Shri Mataji's Identity, Mission and

Message.

> > > Instead they should start promoting Shri Mataji in the same

way. Then

> > > they may do as well also!]

> > > >

> > > > WCASY's will is not Shri Mataji's Will. The two are

different. Lets

> > > face the facts!

> > > >

> > > > regards to all,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " jagbir singh "

> > > > <adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " But why are there so many thieves, as shown in His life?

Only

> as a

> > > > > contrast were they allowed to get out. Why was this

compromise not

> > > > > possible with Christ? Do we also have the same with us

today -

> that

> > > > > we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are negative

people

> and we

> > > > > do not mind Christ being crucified? "

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> > > > > Easter Puja, Formal Talk

> > > > > Ashram, London England

> > > > > 6 April, 1980

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , alice abergel

> > > > > <lilysharmila@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I haven't seen the mail about shoe-beating Jagbir.

> > > > > > Shoe beating has never harmed no one,as You know

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , on the contrary it helps... I shoe beat my self often..

> > > > > > And for me about Jagbir or Violet or any one else, it's

> harmful to

> > > > > say things against other yogis, wether they are leaders or

no !

> > > > > > What ever happened it's about time to forgive....and

forget..

> > > > > > Lord Christ forgave even on the cross....

> > > > > > And as we say in Jewish religion " God Knows His

Children "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Love Sharmila

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The greatest spiritual autority of our century , " Shri

Mataji

> > > > > Nirma la Devi " gives you the " realisation " ,at

> www.sahajayoga.org or

> > > > > at www.jemedite.be " My blog sharmila108-

abergel.bogspot.comDaphe

> > > > > D. , www.myspace.com/daphnedharakiri,Vincent

> > > > > Delbushaye.,www.myspace.com/vincentdelbushayeSamia Smahi ,

Samia

> > > > > Smahi.net

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>