They seemed to be upset that She didn't mention once the World Council

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, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:

>

> Xxxxxxxx <xxxxxxxxx

> adishakti_org

> Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:55:55 AM

>

> Dear Jagbir ji,

>

> I heard Mother might be coming to Canada and that HER daughter's

> visa is awaited. Based on your last post and Isabell's mail it

> seems there is a great divine turning point ahead. Even based on

> the message below and the news about visiting Canada, it seems some

> leveling would take place.

>

> Regards,

>

> Xxxxxxxxxx

>

>

> Dear Xxxxxxxxxx,

>

> Thank you (and all others) for sharing your email/hope/anticipation

> that a great turning point in the fortunes of Sahaja Yoga is in the

> making. Without question, this new revolutionary approach will work

> provided that Her devotees are up to the task of fulfilling that

> supreme task given to them i.e., the emancipation of humanity (that

> was previously controlled entirely by WCASY/leaders and lots

> of " yes " men and women peddling the SYSSR).

>

> Maybe it will take some time for this unparallelled freedom to sink

> into the hearts and minds of SYs, so used they are to being told

> that only the official SYSSR version--not the Adi Shakti's advent

> and message in its entirety--must be followed.

>

> So let me complete commenting on the remaining talk so that we can

> make an informed decision as to which path to take at the crucial

> crossroads of 2008 Puja Speech. This is a most important decision

> for all of us, and the path we take will set the pace and passion of

> change. No WCASY member or country leader/coordinator is going to

> announce this ground-breaking responsibility with the same

> enthusiasm as Sir C.P.'s infamous bestowing of powers/transfer of

> Her Will to the World Council ...... far from it. They will

> downplay and water it down, and it will be business as usual.

>

> And just to give you a clue of the WCASY power struggle to again

> dominate a new committee proposed by Shri Mataji, i quote from this

> confidential email from the horse's mouth in Cabella, Italy:

>

> " So it seems that the issue was the creation of a smaller commitee,

> and Shri Mataji was very angry, She said commitee maybe, but no more

> tha(n) 10 people. And Gregoire repeated loudly many times : " but

> Shri Mataji, we are here! " .

>

> Apparently, Shri Mataji left the pendal very angry, She did not make

> Namaste, and as She was entering into the limousine, She repeated "

a commitee, MAYBE, but not more than 10 people. " (end)

>

>

> The old guards want to desperately cling to power, addicted as they

> are to basking in the limelight and thinking they are chosen

> intermediaries between the Divine and the submissive mass of SYs.

> And since they are all gathered in Italy, it is easy for them to

> have papal-like dreams, and visions of ascending to the Divine

> Realms to the deafening sound of a million conch shells welcoming

> home these valiant spiritual warriors!

>

> It is indeed a great insult for WCASY members, all bound for the

> great glory of heaven, to be subject to such earthly humiliation.

> That is why it was necessary for Gregoire to loudly and repeatedly

> register his indignation and loss of face on behalf of all the

> chosen ones: " but Shri Mataji, we are here! " ..... so why do you

> want to get others to do the job? Don't you trust us? And what are

> we going to tell SYs when we get home? Don't you realize you are

> insulting us? Can we get Sir C.P. to overule and veto your rash

> decision? Maybe we should again get you on Risperidone and let Sir

> C.P. take over!

>

> So Gregoire repeats: " but Shri Mataji, we are here! " .... " but Shri

> Mataji, we are here! " ..... " but Shri Mataji, we are here! "

>

> But Shri Mataji ignores all his squawks on behalf of the WCASY

> vultures jostling for prime pecking positions around Her. It is

> indeed the dawn of a new era as the sun finally sets on the long

> reign of the priestly class that pretended to be the popes,

> archbishops and bishops between their frightened, fawning masses

> and the Divine.

>

> i hope i made your day Xxxxxxxx (and others as well),

>

>

> jagbir

>

 

Dear Isabelle and all,

 

It is obvious now that WCASY members are upset that Shri Mataji never

once mentioned the World Council, and yet had given SYs unheard of and

unprecedented powers ........... powers that WCASY members never even

dreamt of in the wildest of dreams.

 

Of all the astonishing bestowment of powers, i believe allowing SYs

to be themselves worshipped must have made a few WCASY members purple

with subdued rage, and partially green with jealousy. THAT IS AN

EARTH-SHAKING POWER!!! ……………. And all that Shri Mataji gave the World

Council was to organize and stimulate the spread of Sahaja Yoga. Lest

papaji enamoured SYs are doubtful, let me remind you all exactly what

Shri Mataji had in mind when She created the WCASY:

 

“World Council for the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga

Tuesday, December 02, 2003

 

Dear Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis of the World,

 

We are extremely honored to share with you the great news concerning

a dynamic event in the history of Sahaja Yoga world wide. Last week

before She left America, Shri Mataji created a World Council for the

Advancement of Sahaja Yoga. The purpose of this body is to stimulate

the further growth of Sahaja Yoga and to provide support to the

efforts of all the national collectives. The new World Council for

the Advancement of Sahaja Yoga is composed of 19 members designated

as world leaders. Advisors of the Council for financial, legal and

communications affairs have also been identified. The Council is

expected to meet twice a year. We are very energized by this new

dynamic impulse to the world wide coordination of our global sangha.

The mission of the Council reads as follows:

 

" The world is in turmoil today. People everywhere are anxious about

the future. What they need is the soothing, uniting, elevating

spiritual message of Sahaja Yoga. They have to be enabled to

experience " Self Realization " and thereby attain inner

transformation. Only then will they begin to regard all human beings

as members of one global family regardless of their race, culture

etc. Only then will they discard hatred and violence.... Sahaja Yogis

have a momentous responsibility at this crucial time in human

history. They have to spread Sahaja Yoga in all the parts of the

world by written and spoken word.... For this purpose, a well thought

out approach is required. " (end)

 

http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_209_2003.asp

 

Even Sir C.P.'s power-sharing scheme of 25 July 2005, a shrewd coup

at the obvious expense of a Risperidone-incapacitated Shri Mataji,

pales miserably in comparison. After all, sharing Her Will amongst

30+ members is incomprehensible, unconvincing and intangible compared

to Shri Mataji's allowing any SY being worshipped as a Guru,

empowered to start his/her own organization, and collect funds. You

are talking about the future potential of hundreds/thousands of

inspired SYs having their own independent organizations spreading

Shri Mataji’s advent and message! (i still have not digested all the

powers properly as it is too huge a feast.)

 

So Isabelle, your friend heard it right as we have email evidence to

back those who witnessed the 'Pharisees' being upset that the World

Council was never mentioned even once during the entire 2008 Puja

speech. And Arneau is obviously lying and tries to jump the gun and

form yet another WCASY monopolized committee before SYs come to their

senses and begin to flex their new revolutionary powers (provided they

realize they are free from the heavy WCASY/leadership yoke).

 

You " hope the yogis are finally going to wake up and get rid of

these demons who have infected them. Since She has started to " speak

again " , Shri Mataji has emphasized Her messages of Resurrection and

Emancipation. May She be heard at long last! "

 

You are assured Isabelle that we now have a team of very dedicated,

energetic and fearless SYs who want to ensure just that. Just in case

this glaring omission is missed by post-Guru Puja SYs: there is no

mention whatsoever of anything remotely related to Resurrection,

Comforter, Messiah, Al-Qiyamah, Last Judgment, Holy Spirit. There are

very few who want the truth to be told openly, and they are all

voicing that from the outside as those within the SY organization

have been conditioned to be submissive to their leaders and WCASY. It

is such a relief since Shri Mataji has now clearly legitimized and

empowered Her devotees to form their own independent organizations to

spread Her message, independent and free from the insidious claws of

WCASY!

 

Main Entry: in•sid•i•ous

1 a: awaiting a chance to entrap : treacherous

b: harmful but enticing : seductive <insidious drugs>

2 a: having a gradual and cumulative effect : subtle <the insidious

pressures of modern life>

b: of a disease : developing so gradually as to be well established

before becoming apparent

 

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

 

Note: Some of you may be wondering who is Duilio Cartocci. He has

been always close with Shri Mataji in Italy, a big stick if you know

what i mean, and thus could speak up to WCASY members.

 

So will their hit men Alan Wherry and Dr. Bohdan be now sent to rid

WCASY of this latest threat, just as they had done to others in the

past? (Remember Guido .... and the Perezhogin fiasco in Russia?)

 

But all of you have to forgive me for saying so, despite Shri Mataji

shearing off WCASY’s huge wings that gave them all these insidious

powers. Such sudden, drastic changes take time to seep in and

register permanently in consciousness. The same goes for all SYs

brothers and sister still trapped in the pre-2008 Guru Puja mindset

and collectives.

 

However, over time, you SYs will learn how to free yourselves and

most willingly join us here. With open arms we will welcome your

conscientious determination to fulfil your duty towards Shri Mataji

and spread “the soothing, uniting, elevating spiritual message of

Sahaja Yoga” in all its entirety! As Duilio somberly remarked:

 

" Her last talk is so much revolutionary that we can't respond in a

normal, classical way. She expects so much from us, not old, used

and broken paradigms. "

 

For this purpose, the required well thought out approach is already

well underway ..... an approach that is vastly more open, inspiring,

conscientious, convincing and fearless than the " old, used and broken

paradigms " of the present SY organization.

 

The Divine Feminine is now poised to enter human consciousness, deep-

rooted as She is in all their Holy Scriptures, their eschatology and

the promised General Resurrection! All this has almost nothing to do

with the subtle system, so vast and all-encompassing is Her Vision

and Knowledge. As i have said a number of times before: i have yet

only attained 2% enlightenment and at most attain only 5% in this

lifetime. Only then will you realize the insignificance of the subtle

system. i really hope SYs deeply contemplate and comprehend this

honest Self-realization.

 

 

 

---------

 

Dear Jagbir, Violet and all.

 

A friend of mine was present at the Guru puja and reported some of

her impressions :

 

The atmosphere was extremely grave, serious. The audience was

completely stunned by what they heard.

 

At the end of Shri Mataji's speech, nobody dared to sing or dance

like they usually do.

 

At some point, after all the presents were given, the curtain was

drawn on the stage, the microphone was turned off but the cameras

were still rolling and the audience of yogis could see that all

the " leaders " present had some kind of talk which turned out as an

argument with Shri Mataji.

 

My friend, who was right in front of the stage, managed to grab some

bits of the discussion between the " Pharisees " , as she calls them and

Shri Mataji: they seemed to be upset that She didn't mention once

the World Council as Her successor; several times, my friend heard

Her saying " No, no, no ! "

 

If you have a look at these photos, you can see that She looks quite

upset towards the end.

 

168 photos du GURU PUJA:

http://www.shrimataji.net/photos/thumbnails.php?album=283

 

Apparently, a lot of yogis were upset that the " leaders " " kidnapped "

Shri Mataji in such a way.

 

So if you read the following exchanges of messages between Arneau

(the Swiss leader) and Rajiv Kular (Indian), Arneau is obviously

lying.

 

He considers himself " designated " by Shri Mataji and he wants to

constitute yet a new committee with members of the WCASY!! You can

read that Rajiv tries to " calm him down " a little and that Duilio (an

Italian) rejects Arneau's decision and reminds him that the WCASY

has " gone astray... "

 

So let's hope the yogis are finally going to wake up and get rid of

these demons who have infected them.

 

Since She has started to " speak again " , Shri Mataji has emphasized

Her messages of Resurrection and Emancipation. May She be heard at

long last !

 

Much Love

 

Isabelle

 

 

Friday, July 25, 2008, 5:40 PM

Re: [CountryLeaders] Message after the Guru pooja

2008 Friday, July

25, 2008 11:17 AM

" Duilio Cartocci "

" 'WORLD COUNCIL' "

Cc: " 'Country Leaders' "

 

Dear Arneau,

 

dear Members of the World Council and dear Country Leaders,

 

following your letter, I would like to bring some considerations to your

attention.

 

With this I don't intend to hurt anyone and I apologize if for any

reason it can appear offending; it is the result of a general

impression I recollect from our and others collectivities. I don't

have any position to defend, nor of course I wish any " position " :

actually what I would like most is to loose any identification. I

don't assert any truth, but, as I said, I would like to bring some

observations to your attention:

 

1) Shri Mataji said " we need to constitute a central committee to take

decision " . Are you sure She intended that you have to vote ten members

within the World Council? That means: are you the ones that have the

right to vote, or just : " WE need to constitute… " ? Are you sure that

the member of this committee are to be chosen within the members of

the World Council?

 

2) Personally I feel that you don't have to vote the committee, nor

the members of this are to be chosen among the members of the World

Council.

 

3) I remember that when She said that a committee was needed, one of

the members remembered Her that the World Council was there; than She

repeated that a committee was needed, and again you remembered the

existence of the World Council; all this for three or four times.

What does this mean?

 

4) Before acting in any direction, it would be perhaps better to wait

and absorb more and more Her revolutionary talk. For example, She

said that any yogi is free to go and spread sahaja yoga, that there

is no hierarchy, and if really there is one, this is based on the

number of realizations we are giving. She again stressed the

importance of feeling the vibrations in both the hands; how many

times the World Council has taken its decisions following the

vibrations?

 

5) It seems to us that what is most needed is a return back to

simplicity, to the base of Sahaja Yoga, where the most important

thing is to give the realization and to really love each others.

 

6) You said that this steering group would also have the mandate of

communication to the sangha. What kind of communication? Sometime it

can appear that you discuss a lot about communication, but then

very few of you, or sometime no one, come really to the collectivity,

eating the food that every yogi is eating in the camp in Albera, or

spending some time just talking to the yogi while working in the

kitchen, or walking around in the camp. At the eyes of the " normal "

yogis seems that if you have to talk, you just talk among yourselves,

without listening what are the real needs or feelings of the yogis.

 

7) Just as an example, how many of you have eaten the food of the

camp? How many of you have slept in the tent in Albera? How much time

have you spent during the last pujas in Cabella just listening to the

yogi of other nations in an informal way?

 

8) It seems that sometime there is a division between the World ouncil

and the real life of spontaneity of the base of Sahaja Yoga. Instead

of breaking this division, it seems you are expanding it. The

distance that is felt between the World Council and the base of the

sahaja yogis, is like the same we are feeling between our politics in

Italy and the population: they think they represent us, but no one

feels he is represented.

 

9) The impression that the " normal " yogi gets sometime is that you all

sit for hours discussing of great systems, but you are missing of the

simplicity and spontaneity of the new sahaja yogis.

 

10)I suggest that there should be a rotation of the members in the

future committee and in the World Council, if this has still to

exist. The real risk of sticking in a position is that human being get

often an identification with that, thinking, of course in a very

subtle way, that somehow he is especial, that he is an intermediate

between divinity and the mass of the yogi: we saw it too many times

happening in the history of mankind.

 

11) I take the liberty to remember you the letter that Shri Mataji

has sent to the World Council the last year: perhaps not so many

things are changed since then.

 

I again apologize if I have hurt anyone sensibility, but I hope that

all this can help in a serene and constructive way. I feel that till

now we have used in our behaviors and decisions the normal human

paradigms, the same old paradigms that human being have used in all

his history; perhaps, what Shri Mataji wants from us is that we

change them. May be it will not be easy, but we have to try.

 

Her last talk is so much revolutionary that we can't respond in a

normal, classical way. She expects so much from us, not old, used

and broken paradigms.

 

 

Much, much love

 

duilio

 

italy

 

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*Subject:* [sPAM] [CountryLeaders] Message after the Guru

pooja 2008

 

 

 

Dear Members of the World Council for the Advancement of

Sahaja Yoga,

 

Dear Country leaders,

 

At the end of an extraordinary talk at Guru pooja 2008, which may

conclude, in certain aspects, an unprecedented period of Her Divine

activity, Shri Mataji provided guidance to a small group around her

throne, when the curtain was down.

 

She said and I quote Her * " **we need to constitute a central

committee to take decisions " .*

 

In response to questions, She confirmed that this steering group

would also have a mandate of communication to the sangha.

 

In the light of the present structure, we may propose to constitute an

executive committee within the WCASY no larger than 10 members. I

seek, from each of you, your views on who you think should become a

member of such an inspired, effective and efficient central committee,

in order for me to take action on your behalf, given the fact that I

would transmit this auspicious proposal to Shri Mataji for Her Divine

Approval. Indeed, She invited us to take up responsibilities with

strength and confidence. It is therefore my belief that this

initiative reflects the desire of Shri Mataji expressed during the

Guru pooja 2008.

 

I would be grateful to have your response before the Krishna pooja

2008, each one of you selecting 10 members out of the list of the

present members of the WCASY. All the lists forwarded by each member

of the WCASY would be sent to Alan Pereira and myself. I take the

opportunity of this message to seek Her Divine Blessings and Her

Everlasting Protection.

 

*I copy this message to all national leaders for **information*.

 

With love and respect

 

Arneau

 

 

 

 

[CountryLeaders] Re: [The World Council of Sahaja Yoga]

Message after the Guru pooja 2008 Friday, July 25, 2008 4:46 PM

" rajiv kumar "

council, " WORLD COUNCIL "

Cc: " Country Leaders "

 

My dear Arneau and All Members of the Council,

 

Jai Shri Mataji.

 

I write to express my great joy and a sense of being so much blessed

for having been able to attend the Guru Puja. For me this has been

really special because as I had written to all of you it did not at

one stage (until four days before I actually left for Milan) that it

will be possible for me go. So the fact that I made it at all and

then was witness to this most memorable and historical event has been

a great blessing. I bow my head in complete gratitude to Her and

thank Her for making this possible.

 

And thank you Phillip for urging me to come to Cabella when we met

at your lovely home even for a few hours in Berlin earlier in July.

 

I think we in the Council would do well to listen to Her speech over

and over again and draw the necessary inspiration and conclusions

from it individually and then hopefully collectively. And until we

can meet together again, we should simply follow Her advice to

introspect, see where our catches are, get rid of them to take on the

responsibilities of a Guru as She has asked us to do and give

realizations because without that as She said we will not be worthy

of being a Guru in any case. I think the numbers mentioned were

between 300 to 3000!!

 

And so my dear brother Aruneau, my own view is that there is just no

hurry to start 'electing' the 11 members. Did She ask us to send Her

the nominations? If She wanted a committee She would have included

that in Her talk too. So let us instead work to make WACSY a

collective body, a living and working organism before we start making

committees. She will appoint the 11 when and if She so desires.

 

And towards that end I suggest that we meet in September or OCtober

either in England or in Mumbai. Hopefully a larger number of us will

be able to join this time and spend time together. And yes can we

cannot collect some funds from amongst ourselves to try and subsidise

those of us who find it difficult to pay for the air fares? Just a

thought. I think Rajesh's offer to host the get together stands and I

can work with him as we did talk about that. So let us have

everybody's views on this

 

With love and respects to all

 

Rajiv