Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Dear all, I just have to say that although I have been aware of all that has been happening with the WCASY via this forum, I could not believe my eyes when i read the two different versions of the Guru talk; the real one and the offical version. Luckly the real version was posted on our mini forum long before. I am still in shock that indeed the organaziation of SY are so blatantly erasing the truth without qualms or anything. It like seeing this the reality of the situation set in and any denial inside me was washed away at that moment. My God- it is horrible. Luckily mother's speech was so inspiring that it really changed my life inside and out and filled me with inspiration to continue on in meditation and in SY- the organism and to announce it to all that im lucky enough to give realization to. I gave realization to two people recently and told them as much as i could remember about the last judgement and who Shri mataji really was and no one reacted at all, but found it very interesting and wanted to know more-saying it makes sense. Great fun and now with this development I must say that there is no other way. its either you are doing the job or you not. Powerful. Thank you all and thank you Shri Mataji! Take care everyone one kyyan , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir and all, > > Here is a paragraph by paragraph comparison - original vs. official version of Shri Mataji's Guru Puja " Purnima " Talk - Cabella, Italy - 20 July, 2008. To make the comparison easier, i have ensured that the paragraph breaks in the original version are the same as in the official version. (While we are talking 'original' and 'official' lets remember that the original is what Shri Mataji said - and the official is what WCASY have made of it. > > regards to all, > > violet > > > > Paragraph by paragraph comparison - original vs. official version > Guru Puja " Purnima " Talk > Cabella, Italy > 20 July, 2008 > > Shri Mataji: > > a./ " Today is a great day for all of us. Because the ... you could feel the existence of God. By saying there is God, that was not sufficient. And to say there is no God also was wrong, very wrong, and people have suffered, who have said like this. Only after taking realization you know that there is God and there are vibrations. It is a very big opening (happening?) all over the world. Today I am saying that's why it's one of the greatest days for you. " > > WCASY: > > " Today is a very great day for all the Sahaja yogis because Sahasrara opened in you, you could feel the existence of God. By saying there is God that was not sufficient, and to say there is no God also was wrong, very wrong, and people have suffered who have said like this. Only after getting realisation you know that there is God and there are vibrations. It's a very big opening all over the world. Today I am saying that's why it's one of the greatest days for you. " > > a./ Comments: > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > b./ Shri Mataji: > > " Many of you have felt the cool breeze on your hands and out of your brain. Some have grown in Sahaja Yoga, some have not. Some are still carrying on with old catches. But now I have to say that quite a lot of you can become gurus. Means teachers. And should you act as teachers. To act as teacher you know Sahaja Yoga, the theory and the practice of it, thoroughly well. And then you can become great guru. It is a very big responsibility, lot of understanding for a guru. " > > WCASY: > > " Many of you have felt the cool breeze on your hands and out of your brain. Some have grown in Sahaja Yoga, some have not. Some are still carrying on with old catches. But now I have to say that quite a lot of you can become gurus, means teachers, and you should act as teachers. To act as teacher you should know Sahaja Yoga, the theory and the practice of it, thoroughly well, and then you can become a guru. It's a very responsibility, lot of understanding for a guru. " > > b./ Comments: > > i./ Original Version: > > " And then you can become great guru " > > Official Version: > > " And then you can become a guru " . > > (The word " great " was left out.) > > > > > c./ Shri Mataji: > > " You should not have any ego first. You should not have any of your chakras catching. You should be absolutely clear all the time. And then the vibrations should be flowing in both hands. If they are moving in one hand and not in another, you cannot become guru. So you have to be a perfect Sahaja Yogi, then you can be a guru. And so many of you can be, but you have to attain first, `Are you capable of being a guru or not?' With humbleness you will understand, those who think they can be guru, should become gurus, because now I can't travel from places to places. And you have to do my job, `Is to give realization to people " . But you have to be able to give en-mass realization, then only you could be a guru. If you can give en-mass realization, then you could be a guru. " > > WCASY: > > " You should not have any ego, first. You should not have any of your chakras catching. You should be absolutely clear all the time, and there the vibrations should be flowing in both the hands. If they are moving in one hand and not in another, you cannot become guru. So you have to be a perfect Sahaja yogi, then you can be a guru. And so many of you can be, but you have to ascertain first: are you capable of being a guru or not? With humbleness you'll understand. Those who think they can be guru should become gurus, because now I can't travel from places to places and you have to do My job, is to give realisation to people. But you have to be able to give en-masse realisation, then only you could be a guru. If you can give en-masse realisation, then you could be a guru. " > > c./ Comments: > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > d./ Shri Mataji: > > " You can use my photograph, but the realization should not be from the photograph, but from you, then only you can be a guru. There can be ladies or men both, can become gurus, and spread Sahaja Yoga all over. Then my whole touring business, Canada I have missed, and I would request all of you to go to Canada, because it is a very beautiful place. And there are many beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. You have to do now my work. I won't be able to go all over, but you have to go to other countries, and create new Sahaja Yogis. You can do it. " > > WCASY: > > " You can use My photograph, but the realisation should not be from the photograph but from you. Then only you can be a guru. There can be ladies or men both, can become gurus and spread Sahaja Yoga all over. In My whole touring business Canada I have missed, and I would request some of you to go to Canada, because it's a very beautiful place and we have very beautiful Sahaja yogis there. You have to do now My work. I won't be able to go all over, but you have to go to other countries and create new Sahaja yogis. You can do it. > > d./ Comments: > > > i./ Original Version: > > " and I would request all of you to go to Canada " > > Official Version: > > " and I would request some of you to go to Canada " > > > ii./ Original Version: > > " And there are many beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. " > > Official version: > > " And we have very beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. " > > > > > e./ Shri Mataji: > > " To begin with you can use my photograph, but latter on, you can only put the photograph there, but use your own powers, and give realization. You can do it, and that is how we can spread Sahaja Yoga all over the world. I have done my level best now, but I don't think now I can travel anymore. So I am telling you that you have to take over, and work it out. (Definitely you can?)... I am there with you. And every place you work you put my photograph. But realization you have to give and try to give mass realization, if that doesn't work out then you should know that you are not a guru. If you can give mass realization, then only you are a guru, otherwise you are not. " > > WCASY: > > " To begin with you can use My photograph, but later on you can only put the photograph there but use your own powers, and give realisation. You can do it, and that is how we can spread Sahaja Yoga all over the world. I have done My level best now, but I don't think now I can travel any more. So I am telling you that you have to take over and work it out. That doesn't mean you cancel Me – no, not at all! I am there with you, and every place you work, you put My photograph. But realisation you have to give, and try to give mass realisation. If that doesn't work out then you should know you are not a guru. If you can give mass realisation then only you are a guru, otherwise you are not. " > > e./ Comments: > > Original version > > " (Definitely you can?)... " > > Official version > > " That doesn't mean you cancel Me - no, not at all! " > > [(Definitely you can?) with the question mark there - means the person is not sure what Shri Mataji said there. It wasn't clear to their ear from the tape. The three dots after that are an editing mark that shows that there was something else Shri Mataji said there, which was also not clear. The official version fills it in, that Shri Mataji said there, that: " That doesn't mean you cancel Me - no, not at all! " ] > > > > > f./ Shri Mataji: > > " I said you can use my photograph, but you have to give realization to people. This is a sign of a guru. Then you will really know what are different centers, and what are the things missing in people. I have explained very clearly. In the same way you will find those who come for realization, they have some defects and you will find out what chakras they are catching. You know how to clear (create?) those chakras. So you will tell them how to clear. > > Now you have mastered Sahaja Yoga, so you should know what (tricks) to be done. If you think you have mastered, if you believe that you have mastered, then you can become guru, but first of all you should ascertain and find out for yourself, if you are a guru or not. It is your responsibility now to give realizations to people. And you can give if you have vibrations, as like a guru. Or play (Devis?) also, they are called as gurui, not as guru, but as gurui. But they can be called as guru also. And they can also do this work very well. > > Solving the problems of people is not difficult then. Once they get realization their problems will be solved. This is a big power you have got. You all should use. First of all you can use a group, if you want. And afterward you should do it individually. Can you imagine all of you, if you become gurus, how many Sahaja Yogis we will have all over the world. " > > WCASY: > > " I said you can use My photograph, but you have to give realisation to people. This is the sign of a guru. Then you already know what are different centres and what are the things missing in people. I have explained very clearly. In the same way you'll find those who come for realisation, they'll have some defects and you'll find out what chakras they are catching. You know how to clear those chakras, so you have to tell them how to clear. > > Now you have mastered Sahaja Yoga, so you should know what is to be done. If you think you have mastered, if you believe that you have mastered, then you can become gurus; but first of all you should ascertain and find out for yourself if you are a guru or not. It is your responsibility now to give realisation to people. And you can give if you have vibrations as like a guru. Or ... ladies also - they are called as guruis, not as gurus but as guruis, but they can be called as guru also. And they can also do this work very well. > > Solving the problems of people is not difficult then. Once they get realisation their problems would be solved. This is a big power you have got, you all should use. First of all you can use a group if you want, and afterwards you should do it individually. Can you imagine all of you, if you become gurus, how many Sahaja yogis we'll have all over the world? " > > f./ Comments: > > Original version: > > " Or play (Devis?) also, they are called as gurui, not as guru, but as gurui. But they can be called as guru also. " > > Official version: > > " Or ... ladies also - they are called as guruis, not as gurus but as guruis, but they can be called as guru also. " > > [(Devis?) indicates the tape was not so clear to the ear. The official version again fills in the correct word - " ladies " .] > > > > > g./ Shri Mataji: > > " Whatever you teach, you must practice. The person who drinks cannot become a guru. A person who flirts and has a licentious life cannot become a guru. So first examine yourself, `Are you clean or not?' If there are any possessed people who try to become guru, they cannot. Honestly you should see on the photograph if you are possessed, then you cannot be guru. So now to become a guru is first to criticize yourself, to find out yourself only, and then you can become a guru. I don't want to tell anybody individually. But you all can find out. Say 4-5 people can join together, and they can find out from each other, if they are all right or not. If there is missing, if they are catching. But if they say that you are all right then you can become gurus, and you can teach Sahaja Yoga. This is your responsibility. This is how Sahaja Yoga will grow, otherwise after I retire or I don't go anywhere then Sahaja Yoga will go into waste. So it is for you to carry the torch, the light. It is your responsibility now. You have got your realization. " > > WCASY: > > " Whatever you teach you must practise; when a person who drinks cannot become a guru, a person who flirts and has a licentious life cannot become a guru. So first examine yourself: are you clean or not? If there are many possessed people who try to become gurus, they cannot. Honestly you should see on the photograph: if you are possessed, then you cannot be guru. So now to become a guru is first to criticise yourself, to find out yourself fully, and then you can become a guru. I don't want to tell anybody individually, but you all can find out. Say four, five people can join together, and they can find out from each other if they are all right or not, if there is missing, if they are catching. But if they say there you are all right, then you can become gurus and you can preach Sahaja Yoga. This is your responsibility. This is how Sahaja Yoga will grow. Otherwise after I retire or I don't go anywhere, then Sahaja Yoga will go into waste. So it is for you to carry the torch, the light. It's your responsibility now; you have got your realisation. " > > g./ Comments: > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > h./ Shri Mataji: > > " I was born with the responsibility. I was born with all understanding. And now you are also understand yourself, do not condemn yourself as long as you start your own realization, but be careful don't become egoistical. You have to be very humble, very humble with everyone. And work it out because if they are not realized souls, you shouldn't condemn them, but tell them, very patiently and sweetly, that you are not all right. Tell them how to meditate, how to improve, it is now a very big responsibility. Actually I have done this work and you can do this work also. So you all have to become a guru. " > > WCASY: > > " I was born with the responsibility. I was born with all the understanding; and now you are also. Understand yourself, do not condemn yourself. As long as you start your own realisation; but be careful - don't become egoistical. You have to be very humble, very humble with everyone. And work it out, because if they are not realised souls you shouldn't condemn them, but tell them very patiently and sweetly that " you are not all right " . Tell them how to meditate, how to improve. It's now a very big responsibility. Actually I have done this work, and you can do this work also. So you all have to become a guru. " > > h./ Comments: > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > i./ > > Shri Mataji: > > " This is the day of guru (purnima). And I bless you that you all can become gurus. Whatever you have got now, " Don't waste it, don't throw it away, but use it for the betterment of people'. If you want to (meeting), add 4-5 people together, then you should separate, you have to give time to this. You have got your realization, but you have to give realization, otherwise your state is not all right, it is not normal. " > > WCASY: > > " This is the day of Guru Purnima, and I bless you that you all become gurus. Whatever you have got now, don't waste it, don't throw away, but use it for the betterment of people. If you go on meeting in the beginning have four to five people together, then you should separate. You have to give time to this. You have got your realisation but you have to give realisation, otherwise your state is not all right, is not normal. " > > i./ Comments: > > Original version: > > " This is the day of guru (purnima). And I bless you that you all can become gurus. " > > Official version: > > " This is the day of Guru Purnima, and I bless you that you all become gurus. " > > Original version: > > " that you all CAN BECOME gurus " > > Official version: > > " that you all BECOME gurus " > > [There is a slightly different meaning in: " you all CAN BECOME gurus " - and: " you all BECOME gurus " . Whereas we all can become gurus, it is not 'a given' that we all will become gurus. Shri Mataji said that not everyone will become a guru.] > > > ii./ Original version: > > " If you want to (meeting), add 4-5 people together, then you should separate, you have to give time to this. " > > Official version: > > " If you go on meeting in the beginning have four to five people together, then you should separate. You have to give time to this. " > > [shri Mataji is talking here about forming new organisations. She is not talking about SY Organisation just continuing with their SY Meditation Classes, where there are already 4-5 people running a meeting. She is talking about forming our own organisations, with 4-5 people to help start it out - and then we each, individually, work from the basis of the new organisation to give en-masse realisation like a guru can, that has cool vibrations flowing in both hands on a 24/7 basis and has all the knowledge, the gnosis, etc. The forming and growth of a new organisation does not happen overnight. It takes time, as it took time for Shri Mataji to form the SY Organisation.] > > > > > j./ Shri Mataji: > > " So today I want to tell you, what are the qualities we need for a guru. First of all he should be a detached person. That doesn't mean you give up your family or anything. But you should have a detached attitude. That anybody from your family does wrong, you should go away from them, (sort it out). Secondly, through your realization you can see you can spread happiness, and remove their problems. You have seen whatever I have done you can do it. You have got power to do it, but no hypocrisy. No hypocrisy, otherwise you will spoil the name of Sahaja Yoga. > > So if you are sure of yourself, then really you should become guru, and carry the work of Sahaja Yoga. I think I gave you all my blessings, and all my support, that now you take over and become guru. " > > > WCASY: > > " So today I want to tell you what are the qualities needed for a guru. First of all he should be a detached person. That doesn't mean you give up your family or anything, but you should have a detached attitude that anybody from your family does wrong, you should go away from him or her. Secondly, through your realisation you can see that you can spread happiness and remove their problems. You have seen whatever I have done, you can do it. You have got power to do it; but no hypocrisy, no hypocrisy - otherwise you will spoil the name of Sahaja Yoga. > > So if you are sure about yourself then you should become gurus, and carry the work of Sahaja Yoga. I think I give you all My blessings and all My support, that now you take over and become gurus. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > 20 July 2008, Cabella, Italy > > [i./ Original version: > > " So if you are sure of yourself, then REALLY you should become guru " . > > Official version: > > " So if you are sure about yourself then you should become gurus " . > > The word " REALLY " was left out - which slightly changes the tone of the message. > > > ii./ Here ends the Official version, but the Original version continues hereunder. As Jagbir has already pointed out, WCASY saw fit to edit it out already, which is a shocking act of defiance against the Adi Shakti's Will and Her Message to all the Sahaja Yogis who are devoted to Her alone (and not to them). This is the best part then, as it is the part that decentralizes any power and any authority that WCASY wanted over SYs. Shri Mataji gives many fine details here, how SYs can form their own organisations - and spiritually emancipate all of humanity! Jai Shri Mataji!: > > Shri Mataji: > > " You can also have all the pujas, and then you can use photograph. You have seen how one has to work it out. And someone has ..?.. or some chakras are catching, then you should tell that person how to correct it. On the photograph it is the best, and very humbly you should tell them what is to be done. And you can say or ... So now I am no more ..?.. businesses ... , I have done my best, and I think I won't be able to do this again. It is not my old age, but I want to give you a complete freedom to spread Sahaja Yoga. > > You have got it free, and you also have to give it to people free, not to charge them. Or in the pujas they (take your name), be careful that don't put yourself on the puja, till you are confirmed and you are sure that you have created at least hundred Sahaja Yogis, good Sahaja Yogis. Then they can do your puja also. But the best thing is to wait and see. You don't get into puja business, till you are, you have done a thousand people each, then you have the right to have a puja. But you could have a puja with my photograph till you completely all right. Now how confident is the main thing. Do not condemn yourself. You are all realized souls, but those who can think they can become guru, (can become and try). You have to have patience with the seekers. You can't be angry or hot tempered. Unless until they try to trouble you. You should not lose yourself (temp). You should be quiet. > > Most of the gurus are very hot-tempered ..?.. that is why they were very busy with their temper, and they couldn't focus ..?.. realization. So I have to warn you `control your temper'. Watch yourself if you get angry, then you cannot become a guru. You have to be a loving person, very loving and understanding. Then you have to be humble, not abuse people, not to shout at people. If they misbehave you can ask them to go out. But don't shout. If you think someone is misbehaving, you can ask that person to get out. But you need not shout and get angry with that person. > > So it is a very big responsibility now. You have got your realization. So 4-5 of you join to form a Sahaja Yoga group giving realization to people... Of course my photograph will be there. But still you must try, try to understand that now what is your responsibility. If the position is given, you have to always carry on for the responsibility of that position. In the same way if you become a guru, you have a certain amount of responsibility, that your own behavior should be very good to begin with. > > In the beginning you cannot tell them don't go to church, or don't do this, don't do that. You give them realization and then you can talk to them. In the beginning you shouldn't tell them, or they will just shun you. Accept them as they are. In the beginning you should not ask for (pure) people if possible. You can use my photograph to begin with. But don't cure them. They can all, if you are confident, then 4-5 together should treat that person. Curing people is not very easy and you may catch. So before acting on anyone you must take a bhandhan. Bhandhan is very good if you, even when you are going out if you take a bhandhan. > > You should also make a very good speech, if possible. Now you know so many things and you can talk to them. It is a very big responsibility. > > Now I have been working from the year 1970. And today so many years I have worked so hard, but I can't now do it, I have to go back and take some (rest help). Everybody has said. And you are all scientists. But you can tell about me, if it is necessary. But use my photograph. Every time you have a meeting use my photograph. > > Those who think they can be leaders, and as gurus. They should first see their own vibration. Meditate on my photograph and find out. You have to absolutely honest that you are one hundred percent all right and there is no catch, and then you can become a guru. You have to do it. First you may get two people then three people, I started with five. You can imagine how one can go. Try first of all two, three, five and more. You can also advertise afterward, if you have given realization to people, say about, say I have given realization to ten people you can start your own organization, or whatever you may call it, and can work it out. > > Now you have the power, you have the right, but you must have temperament also. In the beginning you have to be very patient and kind, very kind. Then gradually you will find that you can cure people. You can use my photograph for curing to begin with, and later on you can see you can cure. First of all on vibrations you (face) what chakras are catching, which are good and which are bad. And then you should correct them. If there is something wrong you must correct it and then become guru. It is not just accepting that I am going to become guru. But you have to be very, very authority on yourself. You have to judge yourself. First of all you should find out, 'Can you become guru? And then you can tell me your reports. I'd be very happy to know how many you have got now'. And that is how Sahaja Yoga will spread, no doubt. It cannot remain as (it is state) because I am withdrawing, but because now you are now so many Sahaja Yogis, which will grow and work out. But I think now I can't travel, and I am going back. I won't be able to come back again, not possible. > > So you better work it out for yourself. You must write to me if you have ..(difficulties?).. If someone is catching or something or if you have problems. Now I don't think any newspaper will criticize you. They have something for me, but not for you. All of you promise me that you will try to become gurus. I did not take any money from you, nothing from you. I just want that you should spread Sahaja Yoga. > > In the beginning, you are in the pujas, don't take any presents or money. You can only take a little money from them, if you have need to have a hall, or a big place, but that will be much later. First of all try with few people. It will grow very well. Now another thing is puja you should not allow them to do to you, to begin with, till you have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can't ask them to do you puja. You can use my photograph for the puja to begin with. But be very careful, because you have powers now, and it might pamper your ego, when you start thinking you are great, (no). You have to save the world. All my work is that, and I would ask you to write to me in India if there is any (difficulty?). Also write to me how you are spreading Sahaja Yoga, what is happening I would like to know. But I think you must understand that I must retire now, I can't travel. If you have any questions ask me? > > Those who are confident that they can become gurus raise your hand? Oh so many --- only one hand not two. > > If anybody is taking money, you should tell him not to do it. Also ...(guides to him?), you cannot take money to begin with, but when you have about three thousand people, you can celebrate all the worshipping days, and worship, but you must make at least three thousand disciples, then you can ask for a puja. > > There are some people who cannot become guru, who are catching, and they have problems. If you have problems don't become a guru otherwise it will affect you, but if you think you are clear and opened out then you can become gurus. Is there any question? > > I am opening a center for international Sahaja Yoga, and when you have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can ask them to do puja and take money. Before that if you get any money, you can send it to that center. There would be ..?.. in that center and I will declare it. If you have any questions ask me now? > > First three hundred people you don't take any money, except for the hall, or except for other expenses. But you don't take any money for yourself. Now can you raise your hand ... who would like to be a guru. > > May God bless you. " > > Shri Mataji > Guru Puja talk 2008 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Dear Kyyan and all, WCASY had tied everything up in a neat package. Now that neat package is in complete disarray due to Shri Mataji's minute instructions to all the Sahaja Yogis. It is the beginning of the end of the Religious Empires of the Scribes and Pharisees and the beginning of the Spiritual Liberation of all of humanity. Jai Shri Mataji! violet The Momentous Conclusion to Shri Mataji's Guru Puja Talk " You can also have all the pujas, and then you can use photograph. You have seen how one has to work it out. And someone has ..?.. or some chakras are catching, then you should tell that person how to correct it. On the photograph it is the best, and very humbly you should tell them what is to be done. And you can say or ... So now I am no more ..?.. businesses ... , I have done my best, and I think I won't be able to do this again. It is not my old age, but I want to give you a complete freedom to spread Sahaja Yoga. You have got it free, and you also have to give it to people free, not to charge them. Or in the pujas they (take your name), be careful that don't put yourself on the puja, till you are confirmed and you are sure that you have created at least hundred Sahaja Yogis, good Sahaja Yogis. Then they can do your puja also. But the best thing is to wait and see. You don't get into puja business, till you are, you have done a thousand people each, then you have the right to have a puja. But you could have a puja with my photograph till you completely all right. Now how confident is the main thing. Do not condemn yourself. You are all realized souls, but those who can think they can become guru, (can become and try). You have to have patience with the seekers. You can't be angry or hot tempered. Unless until they try to trouble you. You should not lose yourself (temp). You should be quiet. Most of the gurus are very hot-tempered ..?.. that is why they were very busy with their temper, and they couldn't focus ..?.. realization. So I have to warn you `control your temper'. Watch yourself if you get angry, then you cannot become a guru. You have to be a loving person, very loving and understanding. Then you have to be humble, not abuse people, not to shout at people. If they misbehave you can ask them to go out. But don't shout. If you think someone is misbehaving, you can ask that person to get out. But you need not shout and get angry with that person. So it is a very big responsibility now. You have got your realization. So 4-5 of you join to form a Sahaja Yoga group giving realization to people... Of course my photograph will be there. But still you must try, try to understand that now what is your responsibility. If the position is given, you have to always carry on for the responsibility of that position. In the same way if you become a guru, you have a certain amount of responsibility, that our own behavior should be very good to begin with. In the beginning you cannot tell them don't go to church, or don't do this, don't do that. You give them realization and then you can talk to them. In the beginning you shouldn't tell them, or they will just shun you. Accept them as they are. In the beginning you should not ask for (pure) people if possible. You can use my photograph to begin with. But don't cure them. They can all, if you are confident, then 4-5 together should treat that person. Curing people is not very easy and you may catch. So before acting on anyone you must take a bhandhan. Bhandhan is very good if you, even when you are going out if you take a bhandhan. You should also make a very good speech, if possible. Now you know so many things and you can talk to them. It is a very big responsibility. Now I have been working from the year 1970. And today so many years I have worked so hard, but I can't now do it, I have to go back and take some (rest help). Everybody has said. And you are all scientists. But you can tell about me, if it is necessary. But use my photograph. Every time you have a meeting use my photograph. Those who think they can be leaders, and as gurus. They should first see their own vibration. Meditate on my photograph and find out. You have to absolutely honest that you are one hundred percent all right and there is no catch, and then you can become a guru. You have to do it. First you may get two people then three people, I started with five. You can imagine how one can go. Try first of all two, three, five and more. You can also advertise afterward, if you have given realization to people, say about, say I have given realization to ten people you can start your own organization, or whatever you may call it, and can work it out. Now you have the power, you have the right, but you must have temperament also. In the beginning you have to be very patient and kind, very kind. Then gradually you will find that you can cure people. You can use my photograph for curing to begin with, and later on you can see you can cure. First of all on vibrations you (face) what chakras are catching, which are good and which are bad. And then you should correct them. If there is something wrong you must correct it and then become guru. It is not just accepting that I am going to become guru. But you have to be very, very authority on yourself. You have to judge yourself. First of all you should find out, 'Can you become guru? And then you can tell me your reports. I'd be very happy to know how many you have got now'. And that is how Sahaja Yoga will spread, no doubt. It cannot remain as (it is state) because I am withdrawing, but because now you are now so many Sahaja Yogis, which will grow and work out. But I think now I can't travel, and I am going back. I won't be able to come back again, not possible. So you better work it out for yourself. You must write to me if you have ...(difficulties?).. If someone is catching or something or if you have problems. Now I don't think any newspaper will criticize you. They have something for me, but not for you. All of you promise me that you will try to become gurus. I did not take any money from you, nothing from you. I just want that you should spread Sahaja Yoga. In the beginning, you are in the pujas, don't take any presents or money. You can only take a little money from them, if you have need to have a hall, or a big place, but that will be much later. First of all try with few people. It will grow very well. Now another thing is puja you should not allow them to do to you, to begin with, till you have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can't ask them to do you puja. You can use my photograph for the puja to begin with. But be very careful, because you have powers now, and it might pamper your ego, when you start thinking you are great, (no). You have to save the world. All my work is that, and I would ask you to write to me in India if there is any (difficulty?). Also write to me how you are spreading Sahaja Yoga, what is happening I would like to know. But I think you must understand that I must retire now, I can't travel. If you have any questions ask me? Those who are confident that they can become gurus raise your hand? Oh so many --- only one hand not two. If anybody is taking money, you should tell him not to do it. Also ...(guides to him?), you cannot take money to begin with, but when you have about three thousand people, you can celebrate all the worshipping days, and worship, but you must make at least three thousand disciples, then you can ask for a puja. There are some people who cannot become guru, who are catching, and they have problems. If you have problems don't become a guru otherwise it will affect you, but if you think you are clear and opened out then you can become gurus. Is there any question? I am opening a center for international Sahaja Yoga, and when you have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can ask them to do puja and take money. Before that if you get any money, you can send it to that center. There would be ..?.. in that center and I will declare it. If you have any questions ask me now? First three hundred people you don't take any money, except for the hall, or except for other expenses. But you don't take any money for yourself. Now can you raise your hand ... who would like to be a guru. May God bless you. " Shri Mataji Guru Puja talk 2008 , " v_koa " <v_koa wrote: > > Dear all, > > I just have to say that although I have been aware of all that has > been happening with the WCASY via this forum, I could not believe my > eyes when i read the two different versions of the Guru talk; the > real one and the offical version. Luckly the real version was posted > on our mini forum long before. I am still in shock that indeed the > organaziation of SY are so blatantly erasing the truth without qualms > or anything. It like seeing this the reality of the situation set in > and any denial inside me was washed away at that moment. My God- it > is horrible. Luckily mother's speech was so inspiring that it really > changed my life inside and out and filled me with inspiration to > continue on in meditation and in SY- the organism and to announce it > to all that im lucky enough to give realization to. I gave > realization to two people recently and told them as much as i could > remember about the last judgement and who Shri mataji really was and > no one reacted at all, but found it very interesting and wanted to > know more-saying it makes sense. Great fun and now with this > development I must say that there is no other way. its either you are > doing the job or you not. Powerful. Thank you all and thank you Shri > Mataji! > > > Take care everyone one > > kyyan > > , " Violet " > <violetubb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jagbir and all, > > > > Here is a paragraph by paragraph comparison - original vs. official > version of Shri Mataji's Guru Puja " Purnima " Talk - Cabella, Italy - > 20 July, 2008. To make the comparison easier, i have ensured that the > paragraph breaks in the original version are the same as in the > official version. (While we are talking 'original' and 'official' > lets remember that the original is what Shri Mataji said - and the > official is what WCASY have made of it. > > > > regards to all, > > > > violet > > > > > > > > Paragraph by paragraph comparison - original vs. official version > > Guru Puja " Purnima " Talk > > Cabella, Italy > > 20 July, 2008 > > > > Shri Mataji: > > > > a./ " Today is a great day for all of us. Because the ... you could > feel the existence of God. By saying there is God, that was not > sufficient. And to say there is no God also was wrong, very wrong, > and people have suffered, who have said like this. Only after taking > realization you know that there is God and there are vibrations. It > is a very big opening (happening?) all over the world. Today I am > saying that's why it's one of the greatest days for you. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " Today is a very great day for all the Sahaja yogis because > Sahasrara opened in you, you could feel the existence of God. By > saying there is God that was not sufficient, and to say there is no > God also was wrong, very wrong, and people have suffered who have > said like this. Only after getting realisation you know that there is > God and there are vibrations. It's a very big opening all over the > world. Today I am saying that's why it's one of the greatest days for > you. " > > > > a./ Comments: > > > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > > > > > > b./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " Many of you have felt the cool breeze on your hands and out of > your brain. Some have grown in Sahaja Yoga, some have not. Some are > still carrying on with old catches. But now I have to say that quite > a lot of you can become gurus. Means teachers. And should you act as > teachers. To act as teacher you know Sahaja Yoga, the theory and the > practice of it, thoroughly well. And then you can become great guru. > It is a very big responsibility, lot of understanding for a guru. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " Many of you have felt the cool breeze on your hands and out of > your brain. Some have grown in Sahaja Yoga, some have not. Some are > still carrying on with old catches. But now I have to say that quite > a lot of you can become gurus, means teachers, and you should act as > teachers. To act as teacher you should know Sahaja Yoga, the theory > and the practice of it, thoroughly well, and then you can become a > guru. It's a very responsibility, lot of understanding for a guru. " > > > > b./ Comments: > > > > i./ Original Version: > > > > " And then you can become great guru " > > > > Official Version: > > > > " And then you can become a guru " . > > > > (The word " great " was left out.) > > > > > > > > > > c./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " You should not have any ego first. You should not have any of your > chakras catching. You should be absolutely clear all the time. And > then the vibrations should be flowing in both hands. If they are > moving in one hand and not in another, you cannot become guru. So you > have to be a perfect Sahaja Yogi, then you can be a guru. And so many > of you can be, but you have to attain first, `Are you capable of > being a guru or not?' With humbleness you will understand, those who > think they can be guru, should become gurus, because now I can't > travel from places to places. And you have to do my job, `Is to give > realization to people " . But you have to be able to give en-mass > realization, then only you could be a guru. If you can give en-mass > realization, then you could be a guru. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " You should not have any ego, first. You should not have any of > your chakras catching. You should be absolutely clear all the time, > and there the vibrations should be flowing in both the hands. If they > are moving in one hand and not in another, you cannot become guru. So > you have to be a perfect Sahaja yogi, then you can be a guru. And so > many of you can be, but you have to ascertain first: are you capable > of being a guru or not? With humbleness you'll understand. Those who > think they can be guru should become gurus, because now I can't > travel from places to places and you have to do My job, is to give > realisation to people. But you have to be able to give en-masse > realisation, then only you could be a guru. If you can give en-masse > realisation, then you could be a guru. " > > > > c./ Comments: > > > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > > > > > > d./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " You can use my photograph, but the realization should not be from > the photograph, but from you, then only you can be a guru. There can > be ladies or men both, can become gurus, and spread Sahaja Yoga all > over. Then my whole touring business, Canada I have missed, and I > would request all of you to go to Canada, because it is a very > beautiful place. And there are many beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. You > have to do now my work. I won't be able to go all over, but you have > to go to other countries, and create new Sahaja Yogis. You can do it. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " You can use My photograph, but the realisation should not be from > the photograph but from you. Then only you can be a guru. There can > be ladies or men both, can become gurus and spread Sahaja Yoga all > over. In My whole touring business Canada I have missed, and I would > request some of you to go to Canada, because it's a very beautiful > place and we have very beautiful Sahaja yogis there. You have to do > now My work. I won't be able to go all over, but you have to go to > other countries and create new Sahaja yogis. You can do it. > > > > d./ Comments: > > > > > > i./ Original Version: > > > > " and I would request all of you to go to Canada " > > > > Official Version: > > > > " and I would request some of you to go to Canada " > > > > > > ii./ Original Version: > > > > " And there are many beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. " > > > > Official version: > > > > " And we have very beautiful Sahaja Yogis there. " > > > > > > > > > > e./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " To begin with you can use my photograph, but latter on, you can > only put the photograph there, but use your own powers, and give > realization. You can do it, and that is how we can spread Sahaja Yoga > all over the world. I have done my level best now, but I don't think > now I can travel anymore. So I am telling you that you have to take > over, and work it out. (Definitely you can?)... I am there with you. > And every place you work you put my photograph. But realization you > have to give and try to give mass realization, if that doesn't work > out then you should know that you are not a guru. If you can give > mass realization, then only you are a guru, otherwise you are not. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " To begin with you can use My photograph, but later on you can only > put the photograph there but use your own powers, and give > realisation. You can do it, and that is how we can spread Sahaja Yoga > all over the world. I have done My level best now, but I don't think > now I can travel any more. So I am telling you that you have to take > over and work it out. That doesn't mean you cancel Me – no, not at > all! I am there with you, and every place you work, you put My > photograph. But realisation you have to give, and try to give mass > realisation. If that doesn't work out then you should know you are > not a guru. If you can give mass realisation then only you are a > guru, otherwise you are not. " > > > > e./ Comments: > > > > Original version > > > > " (Definitely you can?)... " > > > > Official version > > > > " That doesn't mean you cancel Me - no, not at all! " > > > > [(Definitely you can?) with the question mark there - means the > person is not sure what Shri Mataji said there. It wasn't clear to > their ear from the tape. The three dots after that are an editing > mark that shows that there was something else Shri Mataji said there, > which was also not clear. The official version fills it in, that Shri > Mataji said there, that: " That doesn't mean you cancel Me - no, not > at all! " ] > > > > > > > > > > f./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " I said you can use my photograph, but you have to give realization > to people. This is a sign of a guru. Then you will really know what > are different centers, and what are the things missing in people. I > have explained very clearly. In the same way you will find those who > come for realization, they have some defects and you will find out > what chakras they are catching. You know how to clear (create?) those > chakras. So you will tell them how to clear. > > > > Now you have mastered Sahaja Yoga, so you should know what (tricks) > to be done. If you think you have mastered, if you believe that you > have mastered, then you can become guru, but first of all you should > ascertain and find out for yourself, if you are a guru or not. It is > your responsibility now to give realizations to people. And you can > give if you have vibrations, as like a guru. Or play (Devis?) also, > they are called as gurui, not as guru, but as gurui. But they can be > called as guru also. And they can also do this work very well. > > > > Solving the problems of people is not difficult then. Once they get > realization their problems will be solved. This is a big power you > have got. You all should use. First of all you can use a group, if > you want. And afterward you should do it individually. Can you > imagine all of you, if you become gurus, how many Sahaja Yogis we > will have all over the world. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " I said you can use My photograph, but you have to give realisation > to people. This is the sign of a guru. Then you already know what are > different centres and what are the things missing in people. I have > explained very clearly. In the same way you'll find those who come > for realisation, they'll have some defects and you'll find out what > chakras they are catching. You know how to clear those chakras, so > you have to tell them how to clear. > > > > Now you have mastered Sahaja Yoga, so you should know what is to be > done. If you think you have mastered, if you believe that you have > mastered, then you can become gurus; but first of all you should > ascertain and find out for yourself if you are a guru or not. It is > your responsibility now to give realisation to people. And you can > give if you have vibrations as like a guru. Or ... ladies also - they > are called as guruis, not as gurus but as guruis, but they can be > called as guru also. And they can also do this work very well. > > > > Solving the problems of people is not difficult then. Once they get > realisation their problems would be solved. This is a big power you > have got, you all should use. First of all you can use a group if you > want, and afterwards you should do it individually. Can you imagine > all of you, if you become gurus, how many Sahaja yogis we'll have all > over the world? " > > > > f./ Comments: > > > > Original version: > > > > " Or play (Devis?) also, they are called as gurui, not as guru, but > as gurui. But they can be called as guru also. " > > > > Official version: > > > > " Or ... ladies also - they are called as guruis, not as gurus but > as guruis, but they can be called as guru also. " > > > > [(Devis?) indicates the tape was not so clear to the ear. The > official version again fills in the correct word - " ladies " .] > > > > > > > > > > g./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " Whatever you teach, you must practice. The person who drinks > cannot become a guru. A person who flirts and has a licentious life > cannot become a guru. So first examine yourself, `Are you clean or > not?' If there are any possessed people who try to become guru, they > cannot. Honestly you should see on the photograph if you are > possessed, then you cannot be guru. So now to become a guru is first > to criticize yourself, to find out yourself only, and then you can > become a guru. I don't want to tell anybody individually. But you all > can find out. Say 4-5 people can join together, and they can find out > from each other, if they are all right or not. If there is missing, > if they are catching. But if they say that you are all right then you > can become gurus, and you can teach Sahaja Yoga. This is your > responsibility. This is how Sahaja Yoga will grow, otherwise after I > retire or I don't go anywhere then Sahaja Yoga will go into waste. So > it is for you to carry the torch, the light. It is your > responsibility now. You have got your realization. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " Whatever you teach you must practise; when a person who drinks > cannot become a guru, a person who flirts and has a licentious life > cannot become a guru. So first examine yourself: are you clean or > not? If there are many possessed people who try to become gurus, they > cannot. Honestly you should see on the photograph: if you are > possessed, then you cannot be guru. So now to become a guru is first > to criticise yourself, to find out yourself fully, and then you can > become a guru. I don't want to tell anybody individually, but you all > can find out. Say four, five people can join together, and they can > find out from each other if they are all right or not, if there is > missing, if they are catching. But if they say there you are all > right, then you can become gurus and you can preach Sahaja Yoga. This > is your responsibility. This is how Sahaja Yoga will grow. Otherwise > after I retire or I don't go anywhere, then Sahaja Yoga will go into > waste. So it is for you to carry the torch, the light. It's your > responsibility now; you have got your realisation. " > > > > g./ Comments: > > > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > > > > > > h./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " I was born with the responsibility. I was born with all > understanding. And now you are also understand yourself, do not > condemn yourself as long as you start your own realization, but be > careful don't become egoistical. You have to be very humble, very > humble with everyone. And work it out because if they are not > realized souls, you shouldn't condemn them, but tell them, very > patiently and sweetly, that you are not all right. Tell them how to > meditate, how to improve, it is now a very big responsibility. > Actually I have done this work and you can do this work also. So you > all have to become a guru. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " I was born with the responsibility. I was born with all the > understanding; and now you are also. Understand yourself, do not > condemn yourself. As long as you start your own realisation; but be > careful - don't become egoistical. You have to be very humble, very > humble with everyone. And work it out, because if they are not > realised souls you shouldn't condemn them, but tell them very > patiently and sweetly that " you are not all right " . Tell them how to > meditate, how to improve. It's now a very big responsibility. > Actually I have done this work, and you can do this work also. So you > all have to become a guru. " > > > > h./ Comments: > > > > [both versions are in agreement.] > > > > > > > > > > i./ > > > > Shri Mataji: > > > > " This is the day of guru (purnima). And I bless you that you all > can become gurus. Whatever you have got now, " Don't waste it, don't > throw it away, but use it for the betterment of people'. If you want > to (meeting), add 4-5 people together, then you should separate, you > have to give time to this. You have got your realization, but you > have to give realization, otherwise your state is not all right, it > is not normal. " > > > > WCASY: > > > > " This is the day of Guru Purnima, and I bless you that you all > become gurus. Whatever you have got now, don't waste it, don't throw > away, but use it for the betterment of people. If you go on meeting > in the beginning have four to five people together, then you should > separate. You have to give time to this. You have got your > realisation but you have to give realisation, otherwise your state is > not all right, is not normal. " > > > > i./ Comments: > > > > Original version: > > > > " This is the day of guru (purnima). And I bless you that you all > can become gurus. " > > > > Official version: > > > > " This is the day of Guru Purnima, and I bless you that you all > become gurus. " > > > > Original version: > > > > " that you all CAN BECOME gurus " > > > > Official version: > > > > " that you all BECOME gurus " > > > > [There is a slightly different meaning in: " you all CAN BECOME > gurus " - and: " you all BECOME gurus " . Whereas we all can become > gurus, it is not 'a given' that we all will become gurus. Shri Mataji > said that not everyone will become a guru.] > > > > > > ii./ Original version: > > > > " If you want to (meeting), add 4-5 people together, then you should > separate, you have to give time to this. " > > > > Official version: > > > > " If you go on meeting in the beginning have four to five people > together, then you should separate. You have to give time to this. " > > > > [shri Mataji is talking here about forming new organisations. She > is not talking about SY Organisation just continuing with their SY > Meditation Classes, where there are already 4-5 people running a > meeting. She is talking about forming our own organisations, with 4-5 > people to help start it out - and then we each, individually, work > from the basis of the new organisation to give en-masse realisation > like a guru can, that has cool vibrations flowing in both hands on a > 24/7 basis and has all the knowledge, the gnosis, etc. The forming > and growth of a new organisation does not happen overnight. It takes > time, as it took time for Shri Mataji to form the SY Organisation.] > > > > > > > > > > j./ Shri Mataji: > > > > " So today I want to tell you, what are the qualities we need for a > guru. First of all he should be a detached person. That doesn't mean > you give up your family or anything. But you should have a detached > attitude. That anybody from your family does wrong, you should go > away from them, (sort it out). Secondly, through your realization you > can see you can spread happiness, and remove their problems. You have > seen whatever I have done you can do it. You have got power to do it, > but no hypocrisy. No hypocrisy, otherwise you will spoil the name of > Sahaja Yoga. > > > > So if you are sure of yourself, then really you should become guru, > and carry the work of Sahaja Yoga. I think I gave you all my > blessings, and all my support, that now you take over and become > guru. " > > > > > > WCASY: > > > > " So today I want to tell you what are the qualities needed for a > guru. First of all he should be a detached person. That doesn't mean > you give up your family or anything, but you should have a detached > attitude that anybody from your family does wrong, you should go away > from him or her. Secondly, through your realisation you can see that > you can spread happiness and remove their problems. You have seen > whatever I have done, you can do it. You have got power to do it; but > no hypocrisy, no hypocrisy - otherwise you will spoil the name of > Sahaja Yoga. > > > > So if you are sure about yourself then you should become gurus, and > carry the work of Sahaja Yoga. I think I give you all My blessings > and all My support, that now you take over and become gurus. " > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > > 20 July 2008, Cabella, Italy > > > > [i./ Original version: > > > > " So if you are sure of yourself, then REALLY you should become > guru " . > > > > Official version: > > > > " So if you are sure about yourself then you should become gurus " . > > > > The word " REALLY " was left out - which slightly changes the tone of > the message. > > > > > > ii./ Here ends the Official version, but the Original version > continues hereunder. As Jagbir has already pointed out, WCASY saw fit > to edit it out already, which is a shocking act of defiance against > the Adi Shakti's Will and Her Message to all the Sahaja Yogis who are > devoted to Her alone (and not to them). This is the best part then, > as it is the part that decentralizes any power and any authority that > WCASY wanted over SYs. Shri Mataji gives many fine details here, how > SYs can form their own organisations - and spiritually emancipate all > of humanity! Jai Shri Mataji!: > > > > Shri Mataji: > > > > " You can also have all the pujas, and then you can use photograph. > You have seen how one has to work it out. And someone has ..?.. or > some chakras are catching, then you should tell that person how to > correct it. On the photograph it is the best, and very humbly you > should tell them what is to be done. And you can say or ... So now I > am no more ..?.. businesses ... , I have done my best, and I think I > won't be able to do this again. It is not my old age, but I want to > give you a complete freedom to spread Sahaja Yoga. > > > > You have got it free, and you also have to give it to people free, > not to charge them. Or in the pujas they (take your name), be careful > that don't put yourself on the puja, till you are confirmed and you > are sure that you have created at least hundred Sahaja Yogis, good > Sahaja Yogis. Then they can do your puja also. But the best thing is > to wait and see. You don't get into puja business, till you are, you > have done a thousand people each, then you have the right to have a > puja. But you could have a puja with my photograph till you > completely all right. Now how confident is the main thing. Do not > condemn yourself. You are all realized souls, but those who can think > they can become guru, (can become and try). You have to have patience > with the seekers. You can't be angry or hot tempered. Unless until > they try to trouble you. You should not lose yourself (temp). You > should be quiet. > > > > Most of the gurus are very hot-tempered ..?.. that is why they were > very busy with their temper, and they couldn't focus ..?.. > realization. So I have to warn you `control your temper'. Watch > yourself if you get angry, then you cannot become a guru. You have to > be a loving person, very loving and understanding. Then you have to > be humble, not abuse people, not to shout at people. If they > misbehave you can ask them to go out. But don't shout. If you think > someone is misbehaving, you can ask that person to get out. But you > need not shout and get angry with that person. > > > > So it is a very big responsibility now. You have got your > realization. So 4-5 of you join to form a Sahaja Yoga group giving > realization to people... Of course my photograph will be there. But > still you must try, try to understand that now what is your > responsibility. If the position is given, you have to always carry on > for the responsibility of that position. In the same way if you > become a guru, you have a certain amount of responsibility, that your > own behavior should be very good to begin with. > > > > In the beginning you cannot tell them don't go to church, or don't > do this, don't do that. You give them realization and then you can > talk to them. In the beginning you shouldn't tell them, or they will > just shun you. Accept them as they are. In the beginning you should > not ask for (pure) people if possible. You can use my photograph to > begin with. But don't cure them. They can all, if you are confident, > then 4-5 together should treat that person. Curing people is not very > easy and you may catch. So before acting on anyone you must take a > bhandhan. Bhandhan is very good if you, even when you are going out > if you take a bhandhan. > > > > You should also make a very good speech, if possible. Now you know > so many things and you can talk to them. It is a very big > responsibility. > > > > Now I have been working from the year 1970. And today so many years > I have worked so hard, but I can't now do it, I have to go back and > take some (rest help). Everybody has said. And you are all > scientists. But you can tell about me, if it is necessary. But use my > photograph. Every time you have a meeting use my photograph. > > > > Those who think they can be leaders, and as gurus. They should > first see their own vibration. Meditate on my photograph and find > out. You have to absolutely honest that you are one hundred percent > all right and there is no catch, and then you can become a guru. You > have to do it. First you may get two people then three people, I > started with five. You can imagine how one can go. Try first of all > two, three, five and more. You can also advertise afterward, if you > have given realization to people, say about, say I have given > realization to ten people you can start your own organization, or > whatever you may call it, and can work it out. > > > > Now you have the power, you have the right, but you must have > temperament also. In the beginning you have to be very patient and > kind, very kind. Then gradually you will find that you can cure > people. You can use my photograph for curing to begin with, and later > on you can see you can cure. First of all on vibrations you (face) > what chakras are catching, which are good and which are bad. And then > you should correct them. If there is something wrong you must correct > it and then become guru. It is not just accepting that I am going to > become guru. But you have to be very, very authority on yourself. You > have to judge yourself. First of all you should find out, 'Can you > become guru? And then you can tell me your reports. I'd be very happy > to know how many you have got now'. And that is how Sahaja Yoga will > spread, no doubt. It cannot remain as (it is state) because I am > withdrawing, but because now you are now so many Sahaja Yogis, which > will grow and work out. But I think now I can't travel, and I am > going back. I won't be able to come back again, not possible. > > > > So you better work it out for yourself. You must write to me if you > have ..(difficulties?).. If someone is catching or something or if > you have problems. Now I don't think any newspaper will criticize > you. They have something for me, but not for you. All of you promise > me that you will try to become gurus. I did not take any money from > you, nothing from you. I just want that you should spread Sahaja Yoga. > > > > In the beginning, you are in the pujas, don't take any presents or > money. You can only take a little money from them, if you have need > to have a hall, or a big place, but that will be much later. First of > all try with few people. It will grow very well. Now another thing is > puja you should not allow them to do to you, to begin with, till you > have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can't ask them to do you > puja. You can use my photograph for the puja to begin with. But be > very careful, because you have powers now, and it might pamper your > ego, when you start thinking you are great, (no). You have to save > the world. All my work is that, and I would ask you to write to me in > India if there is any (difficulty?). Also write to me how you are > spreading Sahaja Yoga, what is happening I would like to know. But I > think you must understand that I must retire now, I can't travel. If > you have any questions ask me? > > > > Those who are confident that they can become gurus raise your hand? > Oh so many --- only one hand not two. > > > > If anybody is taking money, you should tell him not to do it. > Also ...(guides to him?), you cannot take money to begin with, but > when you have about three thousand people, you can celebrate all the > worshipping days, and worship, but you must make at least three > thousand disciples, then you can ask for a puja. > > > > There are some people who cannot become guru, who are catching, and > they have problems. If you have problems don't become a guru > otherwise it will affect you, but if you think you are clear and > opened out then you can become gurus. Is there any question? > > > > I am opening a center for international Sahaja Yoga, and when you > have done three hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can ask them to do puja and > take money. Before that if you get any money, you can send it to that > center. There would be ..?.. in that center and I will declare it. If > you have any questions ask me now? > > > > First three hundred people you don't take any money, except for the > hall, or except for other expenses. But you don't take any money for > yourself. Now can you raise your hand ... who would like to be a guru. > > > > May God bless you. " > > > > Shri Mataji > > Guru Puja talk 2008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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