Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Dear All, In Part 1 we concluded with: " Beyond that world of the mahat [the great Self] is the 'avyakta', the unmanifest. Before anything comes into manifestation, to be known by the mind, it is first unmanifest. It is in the seed. That is what is called 'mula prakriti', the root nature or the cosmic nature, in which all is gathered up. Using the language of David Bohm we could say that this is the implicate order. The mula prakriti is where all things are implicated in one, like a seed from which the whole creation comes. From the mula prakriti the whole creation comes into manifestation in the world that we see. Then beyond the avyakta [the unmanifest] is 'purusha', that great cosmic Person whom we have been considering, and he is the end. Beyond purusha there is nothing. He is the goal. So we move from the senses and the mind to the intellect, to the cosmic consciousness, to the unmanifest and finally to the supreme person. Later, as we shall see, further distinctions are made within that ultimate, that person. But at present the 'purusha' is the end. " [1] Isa Upanishad 6 [2] Katha Upanishad 3:10:11 A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and Christian Faith), Pg.178 Bede Griffiths Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois ISBN 0-87243-180-0 Here now, is Part 2. Enjoy! violet The Ascent to the Godhead - Part 2 (P.179) The 'Katha Upanishad' then shows the path to this supreme goal. The text says, " A wise man should keep down speech in mind " . Speech is that by which we go out of ourselves, communicate to others, and when we begin to meditate we have to withdraw from speech into the mind, into the manas. Then " he should keep the mind within the self which is knowledge. " [3] That is, we should bring the 'manas' into the 'buddhi'. The manas is discursive, it goes from one thing to another, whereas the buddhi is single-pointed, 'ekagraha', one-pointed. It is " the still-point " . It is the key point where we open on the transcendent. It must be realised that not only does modern Western philosophy not go beyond that but, in fact, it has hardly reached that point. In the West the mind simply stops at the 'manas'. But in the Hindu tradition, beyond the 'buddhi' is the 'mahat', the great Self, so we open up on the transcendent, cosmic order. It was common knowledge to all ancient people that beyond the human is this cosmic order. The angels in the medieval Christian tradition were part of this, and there were nine orders of angels, nine orders of consciousness, beyond the human. The human is the lowest level of consciousness and beyond are all the other orders. In the Hindu tradition there is this vast cosmic order beyond. It corresponds to a large extent with the world of ideas of Plato, while in Plotinus it is the 'nous' which includes all the ideas from which the whole creation comes forth. It is here in Plato and Plotinus that Western philosophy comes nearest to the eastern tradition, although these developments tended to be lost later on in the West. So one goes beyond the 'buddhi' to the 'mahat', which is cosmic consciousness. Then the Katha Upanishad says he should keep that " in the self which is peace " ,[4] the 'shanta atman'. One goes beyond the world of the gods and of the angels which are at the limit of creation - to the uncreated, to the source, which is 'shanta', peace, the peace which passes understanding. (P.180) One goes beyond understanding, beyond the mind. So that is the path of yoga. One of the first uses of the term yoga itself is found a little later on where the text says, " When the five instruments of knowledge, (that is the five senses) stand still, together with the mind, the 'manas', (when one's senses are still and the mind is still) " and then the intellect, the 'buddhi', does not move. " When, in other words, one has brought one's whole being to the still point, then " that is called the highest state. " [5] When all the external activity ceases, then the interior reality begins to unfold. We need to notice how this is completely contrary to the Western tradition which imagines that when one gets to the intellect one has come to the end. In the Eastern tradition the intellect is really only the beginning, when one has gone beyond the gross world and is entering into the subtle world and into the transcendent. The 'buddhi' is the path to that, but the highest state is beyond both the mind and the intellect; it is the transcendent state. Then the Katha Upanishad goes on to say, " This form holding back of the senses is what is called yoga. " So yoga was first the holding back of the senses. Later, in the yoga of Patanjali, yoga is defined as 'chitta vritti nirodha', the cessation of the movements of the mind. When the mind stops moving and centres in itself, then yoga begins. And yoga means union, uniting. " Yoking " is the same word in English. It is the integration of the whole person. All the elements in our nature have to be brought into that unity. At that stage one experiences oneself, one's 'atman'. So that is the path which is mapped out at this stage in the Katha Upanishad. [3] Katha Upanishad 3:10:13 [4] Katha Upanishad 3:10:13 [5] Katha Upanishad 6:10 A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and Christian Faith), Pg.179-180 Bede Griffiths Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois ISBN 0-87243-180-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Dear All, i need to make one edit in the last paragraph of this article. i wrote: " Then the Katha Upanishad goes on to say, " This form holding back of the senses is what is called yoga. " It should have read: " Then the Katha Upanishad goes on to say, " This FIRM holding back of the senses is what is called yoga. " [in other words " form " should have been " firm " .] regards, violet , " Violet " <violetubb wrote: > > Dear All, > > In Part 1 we concluded with: > > " Beyond that world of the mahat [the great Self] is the 'avyakta', the unmanifest. Before anything comes into manifestation, to be known by the mind, it is first unmanifest. It is in the seed. That is what is called 'mula prakriti', the root nature or the cosmic nature, in which all is gathered up. Using the language of David Bohm we could say that this is the implicate order. The mula prakriti is where all things are implicated in one, like a seed from which the whole creation comes. From the mula prakriti the whole creation comes into manifestation in the world that we see. Then beyond the avyakta [the unmanifest] is 'purusha', that great cosmic Person whom we have been considering, and he is the end. Beyond purusha there is nothing. He is the goal. So we move from the senses and the mind to the intellect, to the cosmic consciousness, to the unmanifest and finally to the supreme person. Later, as we shall see, further distinctions are made within that ultimate, that person. But at present the 'purusha' is the end. " > > [1] Isa Upanishad 6 > [2] Katha Upanishad 3:10:11 > > A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and > Christian Faith), Pg.178 > Bede Griffiths > Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois > ISBN 0-87243-180-0 > > Here now, is Part 2. > > Enjoy! > > violet > > > The Ascent to the Godhead - Part 2 > > (P.179) The 'Katha Upanishad' then shows the path to this supreme goal. The text says, " A wise man should keep down speech in mind " . Speech is that by which we go out of ourselves, communicate to others, and when we begin to meditate we have to withdraw from speech into the mind, into the manas. Then " he should keep the mind within the self which is knowledge. " [3] That is, we should bring the 'manas' into the 'buddhi'. The manas is discursive, it goes from one thing to another, whereas the buddhi is single-pointed, 'ekagraha', one-pointed. It is " the still-point " . It is the key point where we open on the transcendent. It must be realised that not only does modern Western philosophy not go beyond that but, in fact, it has hardly reached that point. In the West the mind simply stops at the 'manas'. But in the Hindu tradition, beyond the 'buddhi' is the 'mahat', the great Self, so we open up on the transcendent, cosmic order. It was common knowledge to all ancient people that beyond the human is this cosmic order. The angels in the medieval Christian tradition were part of this, and there were nine orders of angels, nine orders of consciousness, beyond the human. The human is the lowest level of consciousness and beyond are all the other orders. In the Hindu tradition there is this vast cosmic order beyond. It corresponds to a large extent with the world of ideas of Plato, while in Plotinus it is the 'nous' which includes all the ideas from which the whole creation comes forth. It is here in Plato and Plotinus that Western philosophy comes nearest to the eastern tradition, although these developments tended to be lost later on in the West. > > So one goes beyond the 'buddhi' to the 'mahat', which is cosmic consciousness. Then the Katha Upanishad says he should keep that " in the self which is peace " ,[4] the 'shanta atman'. One goes beyond the world of the gods and of the angels which are at the limit of creation - to the uncreated, to the source, which is 'shanta', peace, the peace which passes understanding. (P.180) One goes beyond understanding, beyond the mind. So that is the path of yoga. One of the first uses of the term yoga itself is found a little later on where the text says, " When the five instruments of knowledge, (that is the five senses) stand still, together with the mind, the 'manas', (when one's senses are still and the mind is still) " and then the intellect, the 'buddhi', does not move. " When, in other words, one has brought one's whole being to the still point, then " that is called the highest state. " [5] When all the external activity ceases, then the interior reality begins to unfold. > > We need to notice how this is completely contrary to the Western tradition which imagines that when one gets to the intellect one has come to the end. In the Eastern tradition the intellect is really only the beginning, when one has gone beyond the gross world and is entering into the subtle world and into the transcendent. The 'buddhi' is the path to that, but the highest state is beyond both the mind and the intellect; it is the transcendent state. Then the Katha Upanishad goes on to say, " This form holding back of the senses is what is called yoga. " So yoga was first the holding back of the senses. Later, in the yoga of Patanjali, yoga is defined as 'chitta vritti nirodha', the cessation of the movements of the mind. When the mind stops moving and centres in itself, then yoga begins. And yoga means union, uniting. " Yoking " is the same word in English. It is the integration of the whole person. All the elements in our nature have to be brought into that unity. At that stage one experiences oneself, one's 'atman'. So that is the path which is mapped out at this stage in the Katha Upanishad. > > [3] Katha Upanishad 3:10:13 > [4] Katha Upanishad 3:10:13 > [5] Katha Upanishad 6:10 > > A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and > Christian Faith), Pg.179-180 > Bede Griffiths > Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois > ISBN 0-87243-180-0 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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