Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Dear All, We concluded Part 1 with: " Thus we find, that in the Christian countries, people are behaving in an absolutely opposite manner to what Christ had asked them to do. He had gone into a very subtle side of purity that says: " Thou shall not have adulterous eyes " while in the ten commandments, it was only said that: " Thou shall not commit adultery " . If you are observant, you will be shocked to see that it is very hard to find any man or woman in the Western countries who does not have adulterous eyes. Of course it is different, if they are blind, or too old to flirt with their eyes. They are always moving their eyes from one person to another with lust and greed. It's impossible to understand how they can move their attention so fast from one person to another, unless some screws are loose in their brains, like a doll, which has screws that control the eyeballs. The eyes start moving very fast like flirts. They might become mad or get possessed by one thing or another. How can the human attention be so mobile in such a fruitless pursuit? " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi book/Meta Modern Era Chapter 6 'Religions' 29/09/95 Here now is Part 2: How followers have messed up the spiritual teachings - Part 2 After Christ, came Mohammed Sahib and perhaps he felt that if all these rules and regulations were written down, they were only for the men. But what about the women? So he said something should be done about the women [to the effect that]: " If they follow an absolutely moral path, then the men will also be automatically moral " . He respected holy women. He had great respect for Christ's mother and also for women as a whole. In the Bible she is called as an ordinary woman. The idea of Madonna came from the Pagan religion, which existed before Christ. But Mohammed Sahib, who was the incarnation of the primordial master (Prophet), knew who the Mother of Christ was. In Sahaja Yoga She is worshipped as Mahalaxmi. He did not want many women, to be immoral and take to prostitution. For a married woman, there are very strict punishments. It is said that in the Koran, he said: " Any woman, who is immoral, must be buried in the sand half way and should be stoned " , (sometimes, she could be dead). I wonder if he said such a thing, or if it was Muvayya who edited the Koran. [break Quote] Note: Here are 4 quotes which mention 'Muvayya'/'Muawiyah' (with different spelling) but it appears to be the person Shri Mataji is referring to, above: 1./ " Apart from ethnic and other differences, religious divisions in Islam itself are deep rooted. The seeds of disunity (schism) in the embryonic Muslim Ummah were sown as soon Prophet Mohammed lay dead. While his cousin and son in law Ali and family were preparing the body for the burial, another clan of the Qurayesh tribe elected Abubakr as the first Caliph. (according to Shias, Prophet Mohan1med had given enough indications for Ali to be his successor). The schism (Shiite) was complete when Muvayya clan fought with Ali. Shias do not recognise the first three caliphs and in many places even abuse them. The two Caliphs, Omar and Othman, after Abubakr's natural death, died of violence, as did Ali, the first rightful Caliph and Imam according to Shias. Ali's son Imam Hussein and almost his entire entourage were martyred by the soldiers of Umayyad Sunni Caliph Yazid at Karbala in 680, now commemorated every year as Moharram. He remains the most revered Imam for his sacrifice for a cause. Almost all early Imams were maltreated and persecuted by the Sunnis. So Sunni Shia differences and violence are deep rooted in Islamic history and psyche. " http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers7/paper607.html 2./ " The seeds of disunity in the embryonic Muslim Ummah were sown as soon Prophet Mohammed lay dead. While his cousin and son in law Ali and family were preparing the body for the burial, another clan of the Qurayesh tribe elected Abubakr as the first Caliph. (According to Shias, Prophet Mohammed had given enough indications for Ali to be his successor).The schism (Shiite) was complete when Muvayya clan fought with Ali. Among Muslims there is not even an agreement on the Caliphs. Shias do not even recognise the first three caliphs and in many places abuse them. The two after Abubakr's natural death i.e Omar and Othman, died of violence, as did Ali, the first rightful Caliph and Imam according to Shias. Ali's son Hussein and almost his entire entourage were martyred by the soldiers of Umayyad Sunni Caliph Yazid at Karbala in 680 which is now commemorated as Moharram. Almost all early Imams were maltreated and persecuted by the Sunnis. So violence is deep rooted in Islamic history and psyche. Christians believing in Darwin's theory of 'survival of the fittest', i.e use of force, must remember it. After 11 September many Muslims, even scholars, declared that Islam means 'peace'. So all Muslims are naturally peaceful (in general the masses are, as they are in other religions). Yes, but the lands under Muslim rule are called Dar-ul-Islam, but those under enemies are Dar-ul-harb, arena for warfare. Why not OIC come out with a statement opposing non-peaceful means by Muslims? For Sunnis, Imam is only a prayer leader and could be any one. But for the Shias, he is a spiritual leader with the divine spark and juris-consult (Vilayet-el-Faqih). The sacred Islamic law Sharia enacted under different situations and times has many schools among Sunnis, who unlike the Shias have closed ijtihad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijtihad, independent reasoning in Islamic Law to meet new situations. The Aryan Shia Iranians created the office of Imam (like Shankaracharya among Brahmins) as only an Arab could become a Caliph. After the first dynastic Umayyad caliphate based in Damascus was replaced by another branch of Quresh tribe, Abbasids, and shifted to Iraq in 750, a number of local dynasties started appearing as the empire expanded. Far away in the West an Ummayed Prince established an independent kingdom in Cordova, Spain. But all these kingdoms recognised the supremacy of Abbasid Caliph. The unity under the Sunni Caliph was finally broken when Fatimids anointed their own Caliph first in Tunisia, then in Egypt in 10th century. So the Ummayed prince in Cordoba too declared himself the third Caliph. In the meantime after nearly two hundred years of Arab dominance in Islam, the Turkish nomad slaves, recruited for their loyalty and fighting prowess as Praetorian guards to begin with, took over power and upgraded the minor office of Sultan into a powerful one, i.e., the protector of by [the] now hapless Caliph. The Ottomans took away the Caliphate by force from the Arabs and Ataturk abolished it in 1923. The Ottoman Caliphs and Sultans were not recognized by Shia Safavids of Persia. Recognition by Uzbek Shaybani Khans of Central Asia and Turkic and Persian speaking Moghuls of Hindustan and others was at best only nominal. Akbar the Great Moghul even synthesized a new religion, Din-e-Elahi, but it did not endure. " http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers6%5Cpaper542.html 3./ " After the death of Muawiyah, his son Yazid became Caliph but was almost immediately challenged by Ali's younger son, Hussein, who would not swear allegiance to Yazid for a number of reasons, among which that the Caliphate was not supposed to be hereditary, and that Yazid was said to be corrupt. Yazid's forces were stronger than those of Hussein and Hussein was killed at the Battle of Karbela. This event would ultimately lead to a full schism between Shi'a Islam and Sunni Islam. " http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Quraysh+tribe 4./ A forum came up with the research of the name 'Muvayya' that also shows how much religious argument there is. Muslims also need to be resurrected and have their absolute knowledge within, where such religious arguments can finally cease, bringing peace instead of religious doctrinal conflicts, and etc: http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000\ 330 [Resuming Quote]: " How followers have messed up the spiritual teachings - Part 2 " ---- But the way they follow it in the Islamic countries is really sinful to give this kind of punishment to all those who are considered immoral women. Whatever it is, it is very difficult in these modern time, to find very moral people after the pattern that Mohammed Sahib thought. He accepted many marriages because he didn't want women to have relationships without marriage. In those days there were many women who survived the death of their husbands, in the wars they had among the tribes. There were many young girls who had no chance of marriage, as many young people were killed in the wars in different tribes, against Mohammed Sahib. Whatever he did at that time was 'Samayachar', was very essential to create a new generation of very pure and compassionate people: Samayachar: " Whatever is the situation at that time, at that moment (840317); The problem of that time (960915), and which is dealt with accordingly. As the times change so does the Samayachar (840906); From Samaya/time and Achar/behaviour (0.0005) " . http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/9_SahajVidya/9_Secondary_Index/SahajVidya_S\ horter_Entries_Letter_S.html Both Jesus Christ and Mohammed Sahib were not only Divine but they were incarnations who had a special mission to come on this earth. These highly evolved souls who came on this earth, perhaps could not really understand the kind of people to whom they gave these precious warnings. Afterwards you see the reaction of the people in a very different way, who say they follow Islam or Christianity. Actually, to a modern man, is it possible to say [to him] that he should keep a control over his attention, or a control over his mind, and also find out through introspection, prayers, or Namaz, what is wrong with him? This becomes a mechanical process which has developed though ages. They don't understand why it was said and why it should be done, that one has to fear [i.e., respect] God Almighty and try to be good reflections of His kindness, His greatness and His Divinity. The prayer said without the connection (i.e., Union or Yoga) with God, is like a telephone without any connection. 'Namaz' is the way a realised soul can cleanse his Chakras with Kundalini activated. " Namaz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaz-e-tawbah Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi book/Meta Modern Era Chapter 6 'Religions' 29/09/95 It is very significant for SYs that Shri Mataji says that: " Namaz is the way a realised soul can cleanse his chakras with Kundalini activated " . In other words, Muslims do not have to take up the Hindu rituals so prevalent in the organisation of Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji says that " Namaz is the way a realised soul [in Islam] can cleanse his chakras, with Kundalini activated " . regards to all, violet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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