What are the 'Mysteries'? - Part 1

September 23, 2008

Dear All,

With the research that Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have done, it can be seen

that Christianity has its roots in the Mystery religions of the ancients and

that 'Paganism' was just a derogatory term used by Christians to pooh-pooh these

Mystery religions (but the name has now also stuck.) So this book is an

eye-opener for me. i am sure it will be an eye-opener for you, too. Besides, i

never knew what 'the Mysteries' and/or 'Mystery religions' meant, but that will

be explored in this and further posts. Now, I also know that most of the rituals

in Christianity are the Outer Form of the Mystery religions, though the

Christian fathers have fought tooth and nail to prevent knowledge of that fact

being known. In fact, they have actively suppressed that knowledge. Well, now we

know! And, as can be seen in the opening verse by Euripides, the ancients

revered the Divine Feminine - the Great Mother! Therefore, suppression by the

church fathers of the Mystery religions, also resulted in the suppression of the

Divine Feminine, the Great Mother!

i am astounded that i have only just realised the connection of the " Mysteries "

and/or " Mystery " religions to Christianity, in the last few days! It is

incredible and almost beyond belief, to take it all in. Now, i also know why

ministers in the Christian church that i grew up in, would mention some of the

eminent philosophers' names from time to time, but they would never go deeply

into them. i guess that was taboo, i.e., against their rigid, frigid dogmas and

doctrines. They wanted an appearance of association with the great philosophers

but were afraid to get to close to their truth, which inevitably led to the

'truth within' or gnosis. But it's true of them as Shri Mataji said, that:

" Also there was a definite suppression of all divine things for these people are

all commercialised institutions. "

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India

25 December, 1990

regards to all,

violet

The Mysteries - Part 1

(P.18) 'Blest is the happy man

Who knows the Mysteries the gods ordain,

And sanctifies his life,

Joins soul with soul in mystic unity,

And, by due ritual made pure,

Enters the ecstasy of mountain solitudes;

Who observes the mystic rites

Made lawful by the Great Mother;

Who crowns his head with ivy,

And shakes his wand in worship of Dionysus.'[1]

- Euripides

Paganism is a 'dead' religion - or more accurately an 'exterminated' religion.

It did not simply fade into oblivion. It was actively suppressed and

annihilated, its temples and shrines desecrated and demolished, and its great

sacred books thrown onto bonfires. No living lineage has been left to explain

its ancient beliefs. So, the Pagan worldview has to be reconstructed from the

archaeological evidence and texts that have survived, like some giant

metaphysical jigsaw puzzle.

(P.19) 'Pagan' was originally a derogatory term meaning 'country-dweller', used

by Christians to imply that the spirituality of the ancients was some primitive

rural superstition. But this is not true. Paganism was the spirituality which

inspired the unequalled magnificence of the Giza pyramids, the exquisite

architecture of the Parthenon, the legendary sculptures of Phideas, the powerful

plays of Euripides and Sophocles, and the sublime philosophy of Socrates and

Plato.

Pagan civilization built vast libraries to house hundreds of thousands of works

of literary and scientific genius. Its natural philosophers speculated that

human beings had evolved from animals.[2] Its astronomers knew the Earth was a

sphere[3] which, along with the planets, revolves around the sun.[4] They had

even estimated its circumference to within one degree of accuracy.[5] The

ancient Pagan world sustained a population not matched again in Europe until the

eighteenth century.[6] In Greece, Pagan culture gave birth to the concepts of

democracy, rational philosophy, public libraries, theatre and the Olympic Games,

creating a blueprint for our modern world. What was the spirituality that

inspired these momentous cultural achievements?

Most people associate Paganism with either rustic witchcraft or the myths of the

gods of Olympus as recorded by Hesiod and Homer. Pagan spirituality did indeed

embrace both. The country people practised their traditional shamanic nature

worship to maintain the fertility of the land and the city authorities propped

up formal state religions, such as the worship of the Olympian gods, to maintain

the power of the status quo.

It was, however, a third, more mystical, expression of the Pagan spirit which

inspired the great minds of the ancient world. The thinkers, artists and

innovators of antiquity were initiates of various religions known as

'Mysteries'. These remarkable men and women held the Mysteries to be the heart

and soul of their culture. (P.20) The Greek historian Zosimos writes that

without the Mysteries 'life for the Greeks would be unlivable' for 'the sacred

Mysteries hold the whole human race together'.[7] The eminent Roman statesman

Cicero enthuses:

'These Mysteries have brought us from rustic savagery to a cultivated and

refined civilisation. The rites of the Mysteries are called " initiations " and in

truth we have learned from them the first principles of life. We have gained the

understanding not only to live happily but also to die with better hope.'[8]

Unlike the traditional rituals of the official state religions, which were

designed to aid social cohesion, the Mysteries were an individualistic form of

spirituality which offered mystical visions and personal enlightenment.[9]

Initiates underwent a secret process of initiation which profoundly transformed

their state of consciousness. The poet Pindar reveals that an initiate into the

Mysteries 'knows the end of life and its God-given beginning'.[10] Lucius

Apuleius, a poet-philosopher, writes of his experience of initiation as a

spiritual rebirth which he celebrated as his birthday, an experience for which

he felt a 'debt of gratitude' that he 'could never hope to repay'.[11] Plato,

the most influential philosopher of all time, relates:

" We beheld the beatific visions and were initiated into the Mystery which may be

truly called blessed, celebrated by us in a state of innocence. We beheld calm,

happy, simple, eternal visions, resplendent in pure light.'[12]

The great Pagan philosophers were the enlightened masters of the Mysteries.

Although they are often portrayed today as dry 'academic' intellectuals, they

were actually enigmatic 'gurus'. Empedocles, like his master Pythagoras, was a

charismatic miracle-worker.[13] (P.21) Socrates was an eccentric mystic prone to

being suddenly overcome by states of rapture during which his friends would

discover him staring off into space for hours.[14] Heraclitus was asked by the

citizens of Ephesus to become a lawmaker, but turned the offer down so that he

could continue playing with the children in the temple.[15] Anaxagoras shocked

ordinary citizens by completely abandoning his farm to fully devote his life to

'the higher philosophy'.[16] Diogenes owned nothing and lived in a jar at the

entrance of a temple.[17] The inspired playwright Euripides wrote his greatest

tragedies during solitary retreats in an isolated cave.[18]

All of these idiosyncratic sages were steeped in the mysticism of the Mysteries,

which they expressed in their philosophy. Olympiodorus, a follower of Plato,

tells us that his master paraphrased the Mysteries everywhere.[19] The works of

Heraclitus were renowned even in ancient times for being obscure and

impenetrable, yet Diogenes explains that they are crystal clear to an initiate

of the Mysteries. Of studying Heraclitus he writes:

'It is a hard road to follow, filled with darkness and gloom; but if an initiate

leads you on the way, it becomes brighter than the radiance of the sun.'[20]

At the heart of Pagan philosophy is an understanding that all things are One.

The Mysteries aimed at awakening within the initiate a sublime experience of

this Oneness. Sallustius declares: 'Every initiation aims at uniting us with the

World and with the Deity.'[21] Plotinus describes the initiate transcending his

limited sense of himself as a separate ego and experiencing mystical union with

God:

(P.21) 'As if borne away, or possessed by a god, he attains to solitude in

untroubled stillness, nowhere deflected in his being and unbusied with self,

utterly at rest and become very rest. He does not converse with a statue or

image but with Godhead itself. And this is no object of vision, but another mode

of seeing, a detachment from self, a simplification and surrender of self, a

yearning for contact, and a stillness and meditation directed towards

transformation. Whoever sees himself in this way has attained likeness to God;

let him abandon himself and find the end of his journeying.'[22]

No wonder the initiate Sopatros poetically mused, 'I came out of the Mystery

Hall feeling like a stranger to myself.'[23]

The Jesus Mysteries

Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?

Chapter 2 - p.18-22

Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

Element (imprint of HarperCollins'Publishers')

77-85 Fulham Palace Road

Hammersmith, London W6 8JB

ISBN-13 978-0-7225-3677-3

ISBN-10 0-7225-3677-1

Notes:

[1] Euripides, 'The Bacchae', 194, lines 74-83

[2] Kirk and Raven, (1957), 393, Anaxagoras fr. 532; see 141, Anaximander fr.

140

[3] The earliest mention of a spherical Earth in the West is in Plato, 'Phaedo',

110b, although Diogenes Laertius tells us that it was Pythagoras who first

called the Earth round, see Guthrie, K.S. (1987), 154. The Alexandrian scholar

Eratosthenes (275-194 BCE) asserted that if one sailed westward from Spain one

would eventually reach India, see Marlow, J. (1971), 72.

[4] Kirk and Raven, op.cit., 257, fr. 329: 'Most people say that the earth lies

at the centre of the universe but the Italian philosophers known as Pythagoreans

take the contrary view. At the centre they say, is fire, and the earth is one of

the planets creating night and day by its circular motion about the centre.' The

Pythagorean theory was later adopted by the astronomers of the Alexandrian

library: 'Aristarchus of Samos hypothesises ... that the earth is borne around

the sun on the circumference of a circle.' See Walbank, F.W. (1981), 185.

Aristarchus was Eratosthenes' successor as Chief Librarian; see Marlow, op.cit.,

74.

[5] Marlow, J. op.cit., 71. Eratosthenes' calculation was correct with an error

of less than 1 per cent.

[6] Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 47. Augustus ruled over an empire of over 100 million

people. In Egypt, for example, the population did not approach eight million

again until the mid-nineteenth century.

[7] Quoted in Kerenyi, C. (1967), 11. Zosimos is commenting on the laws passed

in the fourth century CE by the Christian Emperor Valentinian to prohibit the

celebration of the Greek Mysteries of Eleusis. They were regarded by local

authorities as unworkable because the Mysteries were still held in such high

esteem.

[8] Campbell, J. (1964), 268, quoting Cicero, 'On the Laws', 2.36

[9] Burkert, W. (1985), 291:'Dionysus is the god of the exceptional. As the

individual gains in independence, the Dionysus cult becomes a vehicle for the

separation of private groups from the polis. Alongside public Dionysiac

festivals there emerge Dionysus mysteries.' Guthrie, W.K.C. (1952), 50: 'It is

this emergence of mystery religions into the stream of history that is meant by

those who refer to the great religious revival of the sixth century. Henceforth

.... the choice of belief being a matter of individual temperament.' See Wallis,

R.T. (1992), 28, which records Jaeger's view that 'From the fourth century BC

on, the form of Greek religion that appealed to most people of higher education

was not the religion of the Olympic gods but that of the mysteries, which gave

the individual a more personal relationship with the godhead.' The Mystery

religions were ideally suited to the conditions following Alexander's conquest,

when previously discrete cultures were thrown together. The science of

comparative religion was born and old national and racial deities reinvented.

The new Mediterranean 'koine' presented to the individual new challenges and new

opportunities. The individualistic salvation cults of the Mysteries flourished

in this environment.

[10] Burkert, op.cit., 289. The mystical understanding that the end and the

beginning are One is a sentiment expressed by many initiates. In Greek

initiation is 'telete', meaning 'to finish', but when Cicero translated the

concept into Latin he used 'initiatio', meaning 'to begin'. That both terms can

be true is a reflection of this paradox. To the initiate the moments of birth,

death and initiation are the same.

[11] Lucius Apuleius, 'The Golden Ass', 187, Chapter 18: 'This was the happiest

day of my initiation, and I celebrate it as my birthday ... I remained for days

longer in the temple, enjoying the ineffable pleasure of contemplating the

Goddess's statue, because I was bound to her by a debt of gratitude that I could

never hope to repay.'

[12] Plato, 'Phaedrus', 250b-c

[13] Kingsley, P. (1995), Chapter 24. Kingsley states that the current state of

research on the Presocratic philosophers has reached crisis point.

Post-enlightenment classical scholars were as embarrassed by the mysticism and

'miracle-mongering' of men like Pythagoras and Empedocles as they were of the

supernaturalism of the New Testament. Consequently Plato's indebtedness to the

Mysteries and to Orphic/Pythagorean doctrines was ignored or misunderstood. Only

now are historians beginning to acknowledge that 'rational' philosophy emerged

from a wave of Oriental mysticism that swept Greece in the sixth and fifth

centuries BCE. See Boardman, Griffin and Murray (1986), 115:'The development of

science and philosophy was concurrent with, and to some extent implicated in,

the spread of untraditional doctrines derived not from pure reason but from

oriental myth.'

[14] Plato, 'Symposium', 220c-d

[15] Kirk and Raven, (1957), 183. Orphaned children in Ephesus were looked after

in the Temple of Artemis, the 'Great Mother' of Asia Minor. It was to this

temple that Heraclitus donated his famous book. The bear was Artemis' totem

animal, probably on account of its fiercely protective mother instinct. The

children of the temple were known as 'cubs'.

[16] Plutarch, 'Life of Pericles', 16

[17] Diogenes and Antisthenes were the disciples of Plato and the originators of

Cynic philosophy.

[18] Euripides was the last of the Classical Greek tragedians; 'The Bacchae' was

his last work. The cave in which it is thought Euripides worked and meditated

has recently been discovered near Salamis.

[19] Kingsley, op.cit., 112, making clear his belief that large parts of Plato's

philosophy derive from the teachings of the Mysteries. The Mysteries were shaped

by the religious movement of Orphism and Pythagoreanism which swept Greece in

the sixth and fifth centuries BCE. Pausanias, referring to a secret Pythagorean

doctrine, says, 'Whoever has seen the Mysteries or read the books of Orpheus

will know what I mean,' implying that the sayings of Orpheus formed a liturgical

accompaniment to the performance of the sacred rites. A recently discovered

fragment by Plato's nephew Speusippus, who took over the Academy after Plato,

leaves us no doubt that he saw Plato as the successor of Pythagoras, see

Burkert, W. (1972), 62. Aristotle also points out the dependence of Plato on

Pythagoras, see Kingsley, op.cit., 111. Photius said that Plato was entirely

dependent on the Italian Pythagoreans, and Numenius of Apamea claimed that Plato

derived all his doctrines from Pythagoras, see Boardman, Griffin and Murray,

op.cit., 700. Proclus tells us that 'Plato received all his knowledge of divine

matters from Pythagorean and Orphic writings' and Moderatus of Gades severely

criticized Plato, accusing him of using the ideas of Pythagoras without giving

him credit where it was due, see Guthrie, K.S. (1987), 41. The Mysteries,

Orphism, Pythagoreanism and the philosophy of Plato can only be understood as a

unified whole. Unfortunately the key to this mystery was the secret imparted

during initiation, a secret which initiates invariably took with them to the

grave.

[20] Kahn, C.H. (1979), 95, quoting an epigram attributed to Cleanthes

[21] Angus, S. (1925), 70, quoting from 'Concerning the Gods and the Universe',

4

[22] Quoted in Gregory, J. (1987), 188; slightly adapted

[23] Burkert, W. (1992), 90, quoting Sopatros, 'The Rhetorician', 8.114

, " Violet " <violetubb

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> i picked up a Sunday Times Bestseller by Timothy Freke and Peter

Gandy called " The Jesus Mysteries - Was the Original Jesus a Pagan

God? " In this book it outlines how many details of Jesus' life

patterned the myths of other godmen:

>

> (P.5) " At the heart of the Mysteries were myths concerning a dying

and resurrecting godman, who was known by many different names. In

Egypt he was Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, in Asia Minor Attis, in Syria

Adonis, in Italy Bacchus, in Persia Mithras. Fundamentally all these

godmen are the same mythical being. As was the practice from as early

as the third century BCE, [3,4] in this book we will use the combined

name 'Osiris-Dionysus' to denote his universal and composite nature,

and his particular names when referring to a specific Mystery tradition. "

>

> The Jesus Mysteries

> Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?

> Chapter 1 - P.5

> Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

> Element (imprint of HarperCollins'Publishers')

> 77-85 Fulham Palace Road

> Hammersmith, London W6 8JB

> ISBN-13 978-0-7225-3677-3

> ISBN-10 0-7225-3677-1

>

> Notes:

>

> [3] Taylor, L.R. (1931), 27. Within a generation of the death of

Alexander, Hecateus of Abdera, in 'Aegyptiaca,', and Leon of Pella

were using the composite name of Osiris-Dionysis.

>

> [4] Please note that in line with the modern convention all dates

are given as BCE or CE - 'Before the Common Era' or 'Common Era'.

These religiously neutral terms replace the more usual BC and AD.

>

> Shri Mataji explains who or what this 'Osiris-Dionysis', that is,

the 'universal and composite nature' is: It is " the Omkara " ; it is

" Christ " :

>

> " Once you understand this point then you will understand why Shri

Ganesha had to accept to be the Son of Mahalakshmi, was born to Her as

Christ. Because He had to come on Agnya and for the redemption and

Ganesha He doesn't do the redemption part because at that stage He is

for the innocence, for the holiness, for the wisdom or also for

destroying negativity. But He had to come up, only He, only Ganesha

could be brought to this very constricted chakra, Agnya chakra. Now

why is it constricted? It is quite a scientific thing which I would

not like to discuss today, but it had to be constricted and it goes on

getting more constricted this Agnya chakra the more, the more we

think. The more we go to the left or right it goes on really becoming

like this (Shri Mother holds the first few fingers of Her hands up

like an X) absolutely like this. So in this very subtle area only

Christ will be subtle because He's the subtlest of subtle. He's even

subtler than an atom, because in the atom those vibrations which move

isometric and symmetric movements are subtler than the atom. And this

is a subtler of that also. So in that little very constricted area,

only a personality like Christ which is nothing but purity [could be

there]. There is no other element in Him but purity. All other

incarnations have all the 5 elements in them. He had nothing. He is

nothing but pure vibrations. That's why He could walk on the water.

Because there was no mass in His body. No matter in His body. No

matter. No element. Except for Chaitanya itself. Omkara with the wind.

Ganesha in the bath or [it] was, [one] can say the thing that came out

of her body. Only the Chaitanya. So at Ganesha's tail we can see that

the Chaitanya was kept in that form, but in the state of Christ it was

not. But the whole drama was played later on of His death and

resurrection. Because He is the one who is responsible for our

resurrection, because He is the gate. He's the path because He's Shri

Ganesh. Omkara is the path, and He's the path, and He's the gate but

He is not the destination. His mother is the destination. Even

Mahalakshmi is not the destination. Even Mahakali, Mahasaraswati [is

not the destination]. The Adi Shakti is the destination where you have

to reach. All these things were never told in the Bible. Because He

could hardly live for 4 years with public life. Nor did they want to

tell about Him because they did not know. Also there was a definite

suppression of all divine things for these people are all

commercialised institutions. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> Christmas Puja

> Ganapatipule, India

> 25 December, 1990

>

> According to the authors, the Pagan Mysteries are not a

'superstitious culture' as we were led to believe, but a

'sophisticated product of a highly developed culture':

>

> (P.4) Popular understanding inevitably lags a long way behind the

cutting edge of scholarly research and, like most people, we initially

had an inaccurate and out-dated view of Paganism. We had been taught

to see it as a superstitious culture which indulged in idol worship

and bloody sacrifice, and dry philosophers wearing togas stumbling

blindly towards what we today call 'science'. We were familiar with

various Greek myths which showed the partisan and capricious nature of

the Olympian gods and goddesses. All in all, Paganism seemed primitive

and fundamentally alien. After many years of study, however, our

understanding has been transformed.

>

> Pagan spirituality was actually the sophisticated product of a

highly developed culture. The state religions, such as the Greek

worship of the Olympian gods, were little more than outer pomp and

ceremony. The real spirituality of the people expressed itself through

the vibrant and mystical 'Mystery religions'. At first underground and

heretical movements, these Mysteries spread and flourished throughout

the ancient Mediterranean, inspiring the greatest minds of the Pagan

world, who regarded them as the very source of civilization.

>

> Each Mystery tradition had exoteric Outer Mysteries, consisting of

myths which were common knowledge and rituals which were open to

anyone who wanted to participate. There were also esoteric Inner

Mysteries, which were a sacred secret only known to those who had

undergone a powerful process of initiation. Initiates of the Inner

Mysteries had the mystical meaning of the rituals and myths of the

Outer Mysteries revealed to them, a process which brought about

personal transformation and spiritual enlightenment.

>

> The philosophers of the ancient world were the spiritual masters of

the Inner Mysteries. They were mystics and miracle-workers, more

comparable to Hindu gurus than dusty academics. (P.5) The great Greek

philosopher Pythagoras, for example, is remembered today for his

mathematical theorem, but few people picture him as he actually was -

a flamboyant sage who was believed to be able to miraculously still

the winds and raise the dead. "

>

> The Jesus Mysteries

> Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?

> Chapter 1 - P.4-5

> Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

> Element (imprint of HarperCollins'Publishers')

> 77-85 Fulham Palace Road

> Hammersmith, London W6 8JB

> ISBN-13 978-0-7225-3677-3

> ISBN-10 0-7225-3677-1

>

> The authors state that just as there is the external historical

advent of Jesus 2,000 years ago (the " Outer Mysteries " ), there is also

the " Inner Mysteries " , which is the gnostic understanding of that

external advent; an understanding that is supposed to lead to gnosis

or Self-knowledge:

>

> (P.17) " Whilst the Jesus Mysteries Thesis clearly rewrites history,

we do not see it as undermining the Christian faith, but as suggesting

that Christianity is in fact richer than we previously imagined. The

Jesus story is a perennial myth with the power to impart the saving

Gnosis which can transform each one of us into a Christ, not merely a

history of events that happened to someone else 2,000 years ago.

Belief in the Jesus story was originally the first step in Christian

spirituality - the Outer Mysteries. Its significance was to be

explained by an enlightened teacher when the seeker was spiritually

ripe. These Inner Mysteries imparted a mystical Knowledge of God

beyond mere belief in dogmas. Although many inspired Christian mystics

throughout history have intuitively seen through to this deeper

symbolic level of understanding, as a culture we have inherited only

the Outer Mysteries of Christianity. We have kept the form, but lost

the meaning. Our hope is that this book can play some small part in

reclaiming the true mystical Christian inheritance. "

>

> The Jesus Mysteries

> Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?

> Chapter 1 - P.17

> Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

> Element (imprint of HarperCollins'Publishers')

> 77-85 Fulham Palace Road

> Hammersmith, London W6 8JB

> ISBN-13 978-0-7225-3677-3

> ISBN-10 0-7225-3677-1

>

> It appears that the 'Pagan Mysteries' are about 'gnosis' - but this

fact was suppressed by the Christian forefathers. As Shri Mataji has

said, 'there was a definite suppression of all divine things for these

people are all commercialised institutions' [2]. The authors explain

that the word 'pagan', meaning 'country-dweller', was a derogative

term, first used by the Christians against the spirituality of the

ancients. This, of course, helped to suppress gnosticism, which is to

" Know Thyself " :

>

> " 'Pagan' was originally a derogatory term meaning 'country-dweller',

used by Christians to imply that the spirituality of the ancients was

some primitive rural superstition. But this is not true. Paganism was

the spirituality which inspired the unequalled magnificence of the

Giza pyramids, the exquisite architecture of the Parthenon, the

legendary sculptures of Phideas, the powerful plays of Euripides and

Sophocles, and the sublime philosophy of Socrates and Plato. "

>

> The Jesus Mysteries

> Was the Original Jesus A Pagan God?

> Chapter 2 - P.19

> Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy

> Element (imprint of HarperCollins'Publishers')

> 77-85 Fulham Palace Road

> Hammersmith, London W6 8JB

> ISBN-13 978-0-7225-3677-3

> ISBN-10 0-7225-3677-1

>

> So, the philosophy of Socrates was inspired by the spirituality of

the ancients, which Christians called 'paganism'! Shri Mataji taught

us that Socrates is one of the ten masters of the 'Guru Principle', of

how to become our own master; that Socrates is one of the ten masters

related to the crossing of the 'Red Sea' or 'Void', as it is known in

the human subtle system knowledge. This 'Void' is the 'Ocean of

Illusion' that human beings need/needed to cross over, to reach the

knowledge of their Self, which we know today as " Self-realisation " .

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates

>

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What are the 'Mysteries'? - Part 1

Dear All, With the research that Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have

done, it can be seen that Christianity has its roots in the My