We should not throw pearls before swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj

[Guest guest]

Dear Violet and all,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to explain with love and balance an

ugly topic that crops up every now and then. i say " ugly " because

this negativity never seems to end, and is constantly attacking the

few who are trying their best to be honest and forthright about who

Shri Mataji really is and what is Her message to humanity.

 

Over nearly three decades Shri Mataji's advent and message was

completely edited out by the SY organization and turned into the

official SYSSR. If not for our websites and forum set up post-2000,

there would have been no hope of humanity knowing the truth i.e., the

99.9999% of human beings who have not heard of the Comforter and the

General Resurrection etc.

 

i believe this year 2008 has been a watershed, a crucial dividing

point between two forces fighting for survival. i quote the recent

post to Andrzey to clarify my point:

 

" There are two possibilities Andrzey. You can either:

 

i) learn about the petty subtle system at the official SY site:

 

http://www.sahajayoga.org/

 

or

 

ii) study hundreds of pages regarding the advent of the Divine Mother/

Comforter and Her message of the General Resurrection at:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/

http://adishakti.org/forum/comforter_will_recall_to_their_minds_jesus_teachings.\

htm

 

The difference between both is a lesson in human corruption, lack of

conscience and collective denial of core beliefs. You will be able to

teach others about mass self-deception and denial, especially if you

join a Sahaja Yoga collective to confirm my response. i assure you it

will be a very enriching experience, either way. Best of luck. "

 

The recent Guru Puja speech could not have come at a better time, and

rids us of much constrain, guilt and negativity from SYSSR SYs. We

must now keep these subtle system SYs out of here/future organization

(s) to stop them from contaminating and corrupting a most sacred

trust. Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension--

there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

human invention to participate in the General Resurrection.

 

2008 is also a watershed for understanding Lord Jesus, the Comforter

promised by Him, and Her message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection

into the Kingdom of God. In short, this year has been extraordinarily

enriching in enlightenment. With so much at stake, and so few of us

to deliver the Good News, we should not throw pearls before swine

like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce,

Kuntal Sood, Raj ........... to name just a few of the SYSSR SYs. It

is best we tell them in no uncertain terms to leave us alone, though

they are most welcome to join and help spread Shri Mataji's message of

the promised Blossom Time in all its entirety i.e., the eschatology

of the promised General Resurrection to evolve from physical beings

into eternal spirits, which Jesus gave evidence two millennia ago and

promised the Comforter to explain it at the appointed Hour!

 

warmest regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, " Violet "

<violetubb wrote:

>

> Dear Anil and all,

>

> Sahaja Yoga is one's Union with the Divine within. That union is

not affected adversely by my stating on this forum, for the record,

that " Anil, please remove me from your list " . OK, i accept you

forwarded it by accident.

>

> The thing we are after on this forum, is to state the truth that

Shri Mataji, Shri Jesus and the other incarnations and prophets gave

and to coordinate it into a wholistic picture which can be cross-

examined by people from all religio-spiritual backgrounds, or no such

backgrounds at all. This extensive coordination is also the reason

for the extensive quotes, which we work hard, day and night, to put

out. It is to help dispel spiritual ignorance, which according to

Shri Mataji, is the greatest negativity of all. If you don't

appreciate this work that Jagbir, Nicole, Gerlinde, and myself are

doing, you don't have to read it.

>

>

> > Your reactions and corresponding posts evidently speak that you

> > lack the elements of love and compassion and just try to dominate.

>

> Anil, you confuse spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking with

a lack of love, compassion and trying to dominate. But it is this

very faculty of spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking,

especially to oneself, that helps to keep a person in happy Union

with the Divine within. This spiritual discrimination also gives the

wisdom to have no association with false gurus, like Ishmael Abraham

(not his real name) who i noticed was one of the recipients of your

email. Jagbir warned forum members in March 2007 about Ishmael, but i

guess you know better:

>

> /message/7653

>

>

> > This attitude has resulted in the acute lack of activities on this

> > forum. Anyone may easily notice that normally you two only read

> > and write here, and all almost left.

>

> There is no lack of communication on this forum - plenty of

communication! People are imbibing what they read, which satisfies

the answers to their questions. We have ample evidence of how many

have engaged with this forum, and go away happy with what they have

read. The only people not happy with what they have read, are those

who advocate WCASY's SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) or

those who follow false gurus, like Ishmael and others - and mostly,

these are not happy because we won't accept their false gurus on this

forum, but advocate that each person become their own guru, by going

within. That is Sahaja Yoga the way Shri Mataji taught it - to become

your own guru, master, or teacher and then enabling others to

establish that Self-realisation, also.

>

>

> > But, it is surprising that even an e †" mail is under discussion

> > on the forum. In past, I noticed that you both are keenly involved

> > in finding faults in others and made them an issue in this space.

> > Realized souls never take part in such petty things and instead

> > they mainly introspect

>

> i trust you can now see why your email is under discussion on this

forum. You see, we don't play a Sahaj game here, but we hold what

people say, against the truth that Shri Mataji, Christ, and others

have given, which agree with each other. That is the nature of truth,

which you have not yet discovered, or we would not be having this

discussion. You see, we do not need to accept false gurus here, and

prefer not to associate with them, as they only bring spiritual

jeopardy to one's soul. It's best to disassociate from them, if you

know what is best for your Spirit.

>

> Our only thing, is that we go to the Divine within, and encourage

others to do so too, and not to fall to false gurus. Maybe that is

not enough for you, who don't seem happy with the forum. And maybe,

you need to argue that all the way to high heaven. In other words,

rather, you waste time confusing constructive criticism, which is a

necessary human function/faculty, which is very akin to

introspection, with destructive criticism, which is " finding fault

for no good reason " . Realized souls do take part in constructive

criticism of themselves and others, because it gives warning, dispels

ignorance, and allows a cleared space for Wisdom to flow in. Shri

Mataji and Christ and other incarnations and prophets all

constructively criticized, and that is why they all had a hard time

with certain people. Lets face it, you do not win the popularity

stakes, when you tell the truth, but the truth needs to be upheld, at

all costs. We have the assurance that at this time, the truth will

come out.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

[Guest guest]

Dear VioletIt's quite easy to divert a topic and to lead it to arguments which are of no use, at least to me. I simply tried to expose some hidden characteristics as I found that even my e - mail (wrongly sent to you) is under discussion in the forum. This attitude plainly speaks something and in no circumstances it can be termed as "constructive criticism". Besides reading the beautiful wisdom that is contained on that mail, which is based on the vast experiences, you and Jagbir both tried to relate it with your own confused horizon. I am reading this forum since 2003, and I very well know the modus - operandi being practiced

here.Jagbir did a forensic analysis of archives to anyhow dominate again. You too are not far behind. I don't know whether you read the contents of my mail or not, but forensically you read the names and e - mail IDs of recipients therein and picked up a name "Ishmael Abraham" to raise another issue.Its really a rigid approach to not behave properly with fellow members who are not "like - minded". I am commenting this based on years of experiences on this forum. There are many such instances when Jagbir behaved "ugly" with members and the members, without replying to him, preferred to leave the forum.

I quoted few enlightened verses in my previous post with a hope you and Jagbir may read and practice them by heart. I appreciate the work done but I also feel that you both must practice introspection also.Regards!Jai Shri MatajiAnila n i l k u m a r k a n h a u a | tel + 91 93012 78103 | hello_betu__for the most amazing discovery within usplease visit www.sahajayoga.org --- On Tue, 14/10/08, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:jagbir singh

<adishakti_org We should not throw pearls before swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj Date: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 7:27 PM

 

Dear Violet and all,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to explain with love and balance an

ugly topic that crops up every now and then. i say "ugly" because

this negativity never seems to end, and is constantly attacking the

few who are trying their best to be honest and forthright about who

Shri Mataji really is and what is Her message to humanity.

 

Over nearly three decades Shri Mataji's advent and message was

completely edited out by the SY organization and turned into the

official SYSSR. If not for our websites and forum set up post-2000,

there would have been no hope of humanity knowing the truth i.e., the

99.9999% of human beings who have not heard of the Comforter and the

General Resurrection etc.

 

i believe this year 2008 has been a watershed, a crucial dividing

point between two forces fighting for survival. i quote the recent

post to Andrzey to clarify my point:

 

"There are two possibilities Andrzey. You can either:

 

i) learn about the petty subtle system at the official SY site:

 

http://www.sahajayo ga.org/

 

or

 

ii) study hundreds of pages regarding the advent of the Divine Mother/

Comforter and Her message of the General Resurrection at:

 

http://www.adishakt i.org/

http://adishakti. org/forum/ comforter_ will_recall_ to_their_ minds_jesus_ teachings. htm

 

The difference between both is a lesson in human corruption, lack of

conscience and collective denial of core beliefs. You will be able to

teach others about mass self-deception and denial, especially if you

join a Sahaja Yoga collective to confirm my response. i assure you it

will be a very enriching experience, either way. Best of luck."

 

The recent Guru Puja speech could not have come at a better time, and

rids us of much constrain, guilt and negativity from SYSSR SYs. We

must now keep these subtle system SYs out of here/future organization

(s) to stop them from contaminating and corrupting a most sacred

trust. Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension- -

there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

human invention to participate in the General Resurrection.

 

2008 is also a watershed for understanding Lord Jesus, the Comforter

promised by Him, and Her message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection

into the Kingdom of God. In short, this year has been extraordinarily

enriching in enlightenment. With so much at stake, and so few of us

to deliver the Good News, we should not throw pearls before swine

like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce,

Kuntal Sood, Raj ........... to name just a few of the SYSSR SYs. It

is best we tell them in no uncertain terms to leave us alone, though

they are most welcome to join and help spread Shri Mataji's message of

the promised Blossom Time in all its entirety i.e., the eschatology

of the promised General Resurrection to evolve from physical beings

into eternal spirits, which Jesus gave evidence two millennia ago and

promised the Comforter to explain it at the appointed Hour!

 

warmest regards,

 

jagbir

 

adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, "Violet"

<violetubb@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Anil and all,

>

> Sahaja Yoga is one's Union with the Divine within. That union is

not affected adversely by my stating on this forum, for the record,

that "Anil, please remove me from your list". OK, i accept you

forwarded it by accident.

>

> The thing we are after on this forum, is to state the truth that

Shri Mataji, Shri Jesus and the other incarnations and prophets gave

and to coordinate it into a wholistic picture which can be cross-

examined by people from all religio-spiritual backgrounds, or no such

backgrounds at all. This extensive coordination is also the reason

for the extensive quotes, which we work hard, day and night, to put

out. It is to help dispel spiritual ignorance, which according to

Shri Mataji, is the greatest negativity of all. If you don't

appreciate this work that Jagbir, Nicole, Gerlinde, and myself are

doing, you don't have to read it.

>

>

> > Your reactions and corresponding posts evidently speak that you

> > lack the elements of love and compassion and just try to dominate.

>

> Anil, you confuse spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking with

a lack of love, compassion and trying to dominate. But it is this

very faculty of spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking,

especially to oneself, that helps to keep a person in happy Union

with the Divine within. This spiritual discrimination also gives the

wisdom to have no association with false gurus, like Ishmael Abraham

(not his real name) who i noticed was one of the recipients of your

email. Jagbir warned forum members in March 2007 about Ishmael, but i

guess you know better:

>

> http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/ message/7653

>

>

> > This attitude has resulted in the acute lack of activities on this

> > forum. Anyone may easily notice that normally you two only read

> > and write here, and all almost left.

>

> There is no lack of communication on this forum - plenty of

communication! People are imbibing what they read, which satisfies

the answers to their questions. We have ample evidence of how many

have engaged with this forum, and go away happy with what they have

read. The only people not happy with what they have read, are those

who advocate WCASY's SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) or

those who follow false gurus, like Ishmael and others - and mostly,

these are not happy because we won't accept their false gurus on this

forum, but advocate that each person become their own guru, by going

within. That is Sahaja Yoga the way Shri Mataji taught it - to become

your own guru, master, or teacher and then enabling others to

establish that Self-realisation, also.

>

>

> > But, it is surprising that even an e â€" mail is under discussion

> > on the forum. In past, I noticed that you both are keenly involved

> > in finding faults in others and made them an issue in this space.

> > Realized souls never take part in such petty things and instead

> > they mainly introspect

>

> i trust you can now see why your email is under discussion on this

forum. You see, we don't play a Sahaj game here, but we hold what

people say, against the truth that Shri Mataji, Christ, and others

have given, which agree with each other. That is the nature of truth,

which you have not yet discovered, or we would not be having this

discussion. You see, we do not need to accept false gurus here, and

prefer not to associate with them, as they only bring spiritual

jeopardy to one's soul. It's best to disassociate from them, if you

know what is best for your Spirit.

>

> Our only thing, is that we go to the Divine within, and encourage

others to do so too, and not to fall to false gurus. Maybe that is

not enough for you, who don't seem happy with the forum. And maybe,

you need to argue that all the way to high heaven. In other words,

rather, you waste time confusing constructive criticism, which is a

necessary human function/faculty, which is very akin to

introspection, with destructive criticism, which is "finding fault

for no good reason". Realized souls do take part in constructive

criticism of themselves and others, because it gives warning, dispels

ignorance, and allows a cleared space for Wisdom to flow in. Shri

Mataji and Christ and other incarnations and prophets all

constructively criticized, and that is why they all had a hard time

with certain people. Lets face it, you do not win the popularity

stakes, when you tell the truth, but the truth needs to be upheld, at

all costs. We have the assurance that at this time, the truth will

come out.

>

> Jai Shri Mataji!

>

> regards to all,

>

> violet

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anil,

 

You are not telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth. Even when a part of the truth is perverted, the whole truth goes down.

That is what you have also done with Kabir's words, by the annotations which you

have added to them.

 

For that reason i leave you to your Self, and maybe you can sort each other out

in Silence. And remember that it was your good-self that emailed me first and

not the other way around.

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

 

, Anil Kumar

<hello_betu wrote:

>

> Dear Violet

>

> It's quite easy to divert a topic and to lead it to arguments which

are of no use, at least to me. I simply tried to expose some hidden

characteristics as I found that even my e - mail (wrongly sent to you)

is under discussion in the forum. This attitude plainly speaks

something and in no circumstances it can be termed as " constructive

criticism " . Besides reading the beautiful wisdom that is contained on

that mail, which is based on the vast experiences, you and Jagbir both

tried to relate it with your own confused horizon. I am reading this

forum since 2003, and I very well know the modus - operandi being

practiced here.

>

> Jagbir did  a forensic analysis of archives to anyhow dominate

again. You too are not far behind. I don't know whether you read the

contents of my mail or not, but forensically you read the names and e

- mail IDs of recipients therein and picked up a name " Ishmael

Abraham " to raise another issue.

>

> Its really a rigid approach to not behave properly with fellow

members who are not " like - minded " . I am commenting this based on

years of experiences on this forum. There are many such instances when

Jagbir behaved " ugly " with members and the members, without replying

to him, preferred to leave the forum.

>

> I quoted few enlightened verses in my previous post with a hope you

and Jagbir may read and practice them by heart. I appreciate the work

done but I also feel that you both must practice introspection also.

>

> Regards!

>

> Jai Shri Mataji

>

> Anil

> a n i l    k u m a r    k a n h a u a     |    tel + 91

93012 78103     |

> hello_betu

> __

>

> for the most amazing discovery within us

> please visit   www.sahajayoga.org

>

>

> --- On Tue, 14/10/08, jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org

> We should not throw pearls before

swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John

Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj

>

> Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 7:27 PM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Violet and all,

>

>

>

> Thanks for taking the trouble to explain with love and balance an

>

> ugly topic that crops up every now and then. i say " ugly " because

>

> this negativity never seems to end, and is constantly attacking the

>

> few who are trying their best to be honest and forthright about who

>

> Shri Mataji really is and what is Her message to humanity.

>

>

>

> Over nearly three decades Shri Mataji's advent and message was

>

> completely edited out by the SY organization and turned into the

>

> official SYSSR. If not for our websites and forum set up post-2000,

>

> there would have been no hope of humanity knowing the truth i.e., the

>

> 99.9999% of human beings who have not heard of the Comforter and the

>

> General Resurrection etc.

>

>

>

> i believe this year 2008 has been a watershed, a crucial dividing

>

> point between two forces fighting for survival. i quote the recent

>

> post to Andrzey to clarify my point:

>

>

>

> " There are two possibilities Andrzey. You can either:

>

>

>

> i) learn about the petty subtle system at the official SY site:

>

>

>

> http://www.sahajayo ga.org/

>

>

>

> or

>

>

>

> ii) study hundreds of pages regarding the advent of the Divine Mother/

>

> Comforter and Her message of the General Resurrection at:

>

>

>

> http://www.adishakt i.org/

>

> http://adishakti. org/forum/ comforter_ will_recall_ to_their_

minds_jesus_ teachings. htm

>

>

>

> The difference between both is a lesson in human corruption, lack of

>

> conscience and collective denial of core beliefs. You will be able to

>

> teach others about mass self-deception and denial, especially if you

>

> join a Sahaja Yoga collective to confirm my response. i assure you it

>

> will be a very enriching experience, either way. Best of luck. "

>

>

>

> The recent Guru Puja speech could not have come at a better time, and

>

> rids us of much constrain, guilt and negativity from SYSSR SYs. We

>

> must now keep these subtle system SYs out of here/future organization

>

> (s) to stop them from contaminating and corrupting a most sacred

>

> trust. Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

>

> enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension- -

>

> there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

>

> leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

>

> human invention to participate in the General Resurrection.

>

>

>

> 2008 is also a watershed for understanding Lord Jesus, the Comforter

>

> promised by Him, and Her message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection

>

> into the Kingdom of God. In short, this year has been extraordinarily

>

> enriching in enlightenment. With so much at stake, and so few of us

>

> to deliver the Good News, we should not throw pearls before swine

>

> like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce,

>

> Kuntal Sood, Raj ........... to name just a few of the SYSSR SYs. It

>

> is best we tell them in no uncertain terms to leave us alone, though

>

> they are most welcome to join and help spread Shri Mataji's message of

>

> the promised Blossom Time in all its entirety i.e., the eschatology

>

> of the promised General Resurrection to evolve from physical beings

>

> into eternal spirits, which Jesus gave evidence two millennia ago and

>

> promised the Comforter to explain it at the appointed Hour!

>

>

>

> warmest regards,

>

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

> adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, " Violet "

>

> <violetubb@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Anil and all,

>

> >

>

> > Sahaja Yoga is one's Union with the Divine within. That union is

>

> not affected adversely by my stating on this forum, for the record,

>

> that " Anil, please remove me from your list " . OK, i accept you

>

> forwarded it by accident.

>

> >

>

> > The thing we are after on this forum, is to state the truth that

>

> Shri Mataji, Shri Jesus and the other incarnations and prophets gave

>

> and to coordinate it into a wholistic picture which can be cross-

>

> examined by people from all religio-spiritual backgrounds, or no such

>

> backgrounds at all. This extensive coordination is also the reason

>

> for the extensive quotes, which we work hard, day and night, to put

>

> out. It is to help dispel spiritual ignorance, which according to

>

> Shri Mataji, is the greatest negativity of all. If you don't

>

> appreciate this work that Jagbir, Nicole, Gerlinde, and myself are

>

> doing, you don't have to read it.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > Your reactions and corresponding posts evidently speak that you

>

> > > lack the elements of love and compassion and just try to dominate.

>

> >

>

> > Anil, you confuse spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking with

>

> a lack of love, compassion and trying to dominate. But it is this

>

> very faculty of spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking,

>

> especially to oneself, that helps to keep a person in happy Union

>

> with the Divine within. This spiritual discrimination also gives the

>

> wisdom to have no association with false gurus, like Ishmael Abraham

>

> (not his real name) who i noticed was one of the recipients of your

>

> email. Jagbir warned forum members in March 2007 about Ishmael, but i

>

> guess you know better:

>

> >

>

> > http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/ message/7653

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > This attitude has resulted in the acute lack of activities on this

>

> > > forum. Anyone may easily notice that normally you two only read

>

> > > and write here, and all almost left.

>

> >

>

> > There is no lack of communication on this forum - plenty of

>

> communication! People are imbibing what they read, which satisfies

>

> the answers to their questions. We have ample evidence of how many

>

> have engaged with this forum, and go away happy with what they have

>

> read. The only people not happy with what they have read, are those

>

> who advocate WCASY's SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) or

>

> those who follow false gurus, like Ishmael and others - and mostly,

>

> these are not happy because we won't accept their false gurus on this

>

> forum, but advocate that each person become their own guru, by going

>

> within. That is Sahaja Yoga the way Shri Mataji taught it - to become

>

> your own guru, master, or teacher and then enabling others to

>

> establish that Self-realisation, also.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > But, it is surprising that even an e †" mail is under discussion

>

> > > on the forum. In past, I noticed that you both are keenly involved

>

> > > in finding faults in others and made them an issue in this space.

>

> > > Realized souls never take part in such petty things and instead

>

> > > they mainly introspect

>

> >

>

> > i trust you can now see why your email is under discussion on this

>

> forum. You see, we don't play a Sahaj game here, but we hold what

>

> people say, against the truth that Shri Mataji, Christ, and others

>

> have given, which agree with each other. That is the nature of truth,

>

> which you have not yet discovered, or we would not be having this

>

> discussion. You see, we do not need to accept false gurus here, and

>

> prefer not to associate with them, as they only bring spiritual

>

> jeopardy to one's soul. It's best to disassociate from them, if you

>

> know what is best for your Spirit.

>

> >

>

> > Our only thing, is that we go to the Divine within, and encourage

>

> others to do so too, and not to fall to false gurus. Maybe that is

>

> not enough for you, who don't seem happy with the forum. And maybe,

>

> you need to argue that all the way to high heaven. In other words,

>

> rather, you waste time confusing constructive criticism, which is a

>

> necessary human function/faculty, which is very akin to

>

> introspection, with destructive criticism, which is " finding fault

>

> for no good reason " . Realized souls do take part in constructive

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> criticism of themselves and others, because it gives warning, dispels

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> ignorance, and allows a cleared space for Wisdom to flow in. Shri

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> with certain people. Lets face it, you do not win the popularity

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Dear VioletThanks for the trial to explain. I also tried. Yours many previous posts, "original ones" were beautiful, and I seek many things / lessons from them. Earlier also, we had exchange of private e - mails in which you helped me answering my queries. Thanks for all that. Anyway, let's stop this argument HERE as these are not discussions. Discussion is an exchange of knowledge whereas an argument is an exchange of ignorance. I believe that when an argument flares up, the wise man should quench it with silence. The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it. Hence, silence is one of the hardest argument to refute. So,

from me, do not expect any further posts on the issue. Like many others, I also now prefer to not to post anything on other issues too, as I think that may raise some other issues / reactions.I would like to quote that love is saying " I feel differently" instead of "you are wrong".Regards!Jai Shri MatajiAnila n i l k u m a r k a n h a u a | tel + 91 93012 78103 | hello_betu__for the most amazing discovery within usplease visit www.sahajayoga.org --- On Thu, 16/10/08, Violet <violetubb wrote:Violet <violetubb Re: We should not throw pearls before swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 5:54 AM

 

Dear Anil,

 

You are not telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

truth. Even when a part of the truth is perverted, the whole truth goes down. That is what you have also done with Kabir's words, by the annotations which you have added to them.

 

For that reason i leave you to your Self, and maybe you can sort each other out in Silence. And remember that it was your good-self that emailed me first and not the other way around.

 

regards,

 

violet

 

adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, Anil Kumar

<hello_betu@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Violet

>

> It's quite easy to divert a topic and to lead it to arguments which

are of no use, at least to me. I simply tried to expose some hidden

characteristics as I found that even my e - mail (wrongly sent to you)

is under discussion in the forum. This attitude plainly speaks

something and in no circumstances it can be termed as "constructive

criticism". Besides reading the beautiful wisdom that is contained on

that mail, which is based on the vast experiences, you and Jagbir both

tried to relate it with your own confused horizon. I am reading this

forum since 2003, and I very well know the modus - operandi being

practiced here.

>

> Jagbir did a forensic analysis of archives to anyhow dominate

again. You too are not far behind. I don't know whether you read the

contents of my mail or not, but forensically you read the names and e

- mail IDs of recipients therein and picked up a name "Ishmael

Abraham" to raise another issue.

>

> Its really a rigid approach to not behave properly with fellow

members who are not "like - minded". I am commenting this based on

years of experiences on this forum. There are many such instances when

Jagbir behaved "ugly" with members and the members, without replying

to him, preferred to leave the forum.

>

> I quoted few enlightened verses in my previous post with a hope you

and Jagbir may read and practice them by heart. I appreciate the work

done but I also feel that you both must practice introspection also.

>

> Regards!

>

> Jai Shri Mataji

>

> Anil

> a n i l   k u m a r  k a n h a u a   |   tel + 91

93012 78103 Â Â |

> hello_betu@. ..

> ____________ _________ _________ ______

>

> for the most amazing discovery within us

> please visit  www.sahajayoga. org

>

>

> --- On Tue, 14/10/08, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@ ...> wrote:

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org@ ...>

> [adishakti_sahaja_ yoga] We should not throw pearls before

swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John

Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj

> adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com

> Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 7:27 PM

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> Dear Violet and all,

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> Thanks for taking the trouble to explain with love and balance an

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> ugly topic that crops up every now and then. i say "ugly" because

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> this negativity never seems to end, and is constantly attacking the

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> few who are trying their best to be honest and forthright about who

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> Shri Mataji really is and what is Her message to humanity.

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> Over nearly three decades Shri Mataji's advent and message was

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> completely edited out by the SY organization and turned into the

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> official SYSSR. If not for our websites and forum set up post-2000,

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> there would have been no hope of humanity knowing the truth i.e., the

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> 99.9999% of human beings who have not heard of the Comforter and the

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> General Resurrection etc.

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> i believe this year 2008 has been a watershed, a crucial dividing

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> point between two forces fighting for survival. i quote the recent

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> post to Andrzey to clarify my point:

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> "There are two possibilities Andrzey. You can either:

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> i) learn about the petty subtle system at the official SY site:

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> http://www.sahajayo ga.org/

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> or

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> ii) study hundreds of pages regarding the advent of the Divine Mother/

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> Comforter and Her message of the General Resurrection at:

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> http://www.adishakt i.org/

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> http://adishakti. org/forum/ comforter_ will_recall_ to_their_

minds_jesus_ teachings. htm

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> The difference between both is a lesson in human corruption, lack of

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> conscience and collective denial of core beliefs. You will be able to

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> teach others about mass self-deception and denial, especially if you

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> join a Sahaja Yoga collective to confirm my response. i assure you it

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> will be a very enriching experience, either way. Best of luck."

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> The recent Guru Puja speech could not have come at a better time, and

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> rids us of much constrain, guilt and negativity from SYSSR SYs. We

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> must now keep these subtle system SYs out of here/future organization

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> (s) to stop them from contaminating and corrupting a most sacred

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> trust. Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

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> enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension- -

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> there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

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> leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

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> human invention to participate in the General Resurrection.

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> 2008 is also a watershed for understanding Lord Jesus, the Comforter

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> promised by Him, and Her message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection

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> into the Kingdom of God. In short, this year has been extraordinarily

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> enriching in enlightenment. With so much at stake, and so few of us

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> to deliver the Good News, we should not throw pearls before swine

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> like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce,

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> Kuntal Sood, Raj ........... to name just a few of the SYSSR SYs. It

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> is best we tell them in no uncertain terms to leave us alone, though

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> they are most welcome to join and help spread Shri Mataji's message of

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> the promised Blossom Time in all its entirety i.e., the eschatology

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> of the promised General Resurrection to evolve from physical beings

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> into eternal spirits, which Jesus gave evidence two millennia ago and

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> promised the Comforter to explain it at the appointed Hour!

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> warmest regards,

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> jagbir

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> adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, "Violet"

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> <violetubb@ ..> wrote:

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> > Dear Anil and all,

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> >

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> > Sahaja Yoga is one's Union with the Divine within. That union is

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> not affected adversely by my stating on this forum, for the record,

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> that "Anil, please remove me from your list". OK, i accept you

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> forwarded it by accident.

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> > The thing we are after on this forum, is to state the truth that

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> Shri Mataji, Shri Jesus and the other incarnations and prophets gave

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> and to coordinate it into a wholistic picture which can be cross-

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> examined by people from all religio-spiritual backgrounds, or no such

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> backgrounds at all. This extensive coordination is also the reason

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> for the extensive quotes, which we work hard, day and night, to put

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> out. It is to help dispel spiritual ignorance, which according to

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> Shri Mataji, is the greatest negativity of all. If you don't

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> appreciate this work that Jagbir, Nicole, Gerlinde, and myself are

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> doing, you don't have to read it.

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> > > Your reactions and corresponding posts evidently speak that you

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> > > lack the elements of love and compassion and just try to dominate.

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> > Anil, you confuse spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking with

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> a lack of love, compassion and trying to dominate. But it is this

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> very faculty of spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking,

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> especially to oneself, that helps to keep a person in happy Union

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> with the Divine within. This spiritual discrimination also gives the

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> wisdom to have no association with false gurus, like Ishmael Abraham

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> (not his real name) who i noticed was one of the recipients of your

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> email. Jagbir warned forum members in March 2007 about Ishmael, but i

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> guess you know better:

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> > http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/ message/7653

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> > > This attitude has resulted in the acute lack of activities on this

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> > > forum. Anyone may easily notice that normally you two only read

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> > > and write here, and all almost left.

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> > There is no lack of communication on this forum - plenty of

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> communication! People are imbibing what they read, which satisfies

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> the answers to their questions. We have ample evidence of how many

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> have engaged with this forum, and go away happy with what they have

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> read. The only people not happy with what they have read, are those

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> who advocate WCASY's SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion) or

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> those who follow false gurus, like Ishmael and others - and mostly,

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> these are not happy because we won't accept their false gurus on this

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> forum, but advocate that each person become their own guru, by going

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> within. That is Sahaja Yoga the way Shri Mataji taught it - to become

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> your own guru, master, or teacher and then enabling others to

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> establish that Self-realisation, also.

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> >

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> > > But, it is surprising that even an e â€" mail is under discussion

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> > > on the forum. In past, I noticed that you both are keenly involved

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> > > in finding faults in others and made them an issue in this space.

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> > > Realized souls never take part in such petty things and instead

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> > > they mainly introspect

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> >

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> > i trust you can now see why your email is under discussion on this

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> forum. You see, we don't play a Sahaj game here, but we hold what

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> people say, against the truth that Shri Mataji, Christ, and others

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> have given, which agree with each other. That is the nature of truth,

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> which you have not yet discovered, or we would not be having this

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> discussion. You see, we do not need to accept false gurus here, and

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> prefer not to associate with them, as they only bring spiritual

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> jeopardy to one's soul. It's best to disassociate from them, if you

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> know what is best for your Spirit.

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> >

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> > Our only thing, is that we go to the Divine within, and encourage

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> others to do so too, and not to fall to false gurus. Maybe that is

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> not enough for you, who don't seem happy with the forum. And maybe,

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> you need to argue that all the way to high heaven. In other words,

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> rather, you waste time confusing constructive criticism, which is a

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> necessary human function/faculty, which is very akin to

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> introspection, with destructive criticism, which is "finding fault

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> for no good reason". Realized souls do take part in constructive

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> criticism of themselves and others, because it gives warning, dispels

>

> ignorance, and allows a cleared space for Wisdom to flow in. Shri

>

> Mataji and Christ and other incarnations and prophets all

>

> constructively criticized, and that is why they all had a hard time

>

> with certain people. Lets face it, you do not win the popularity

>

> stakes, when you tell the truth, but the truth needs to be upheld, at

>

> all costs. We have the assurance that at this time, the truth will

>

> come out.

>

> >

>

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

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> >

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> > regards to all,

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> > violet

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