Anil, what is that most amazing discovery within us that no one is interested?

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Anil,

 

I want to ask you about this tag of most subtle system SYs:

 

" for the most amazing discovery within us

please visit www.sahajayoga.org "

 

What is that " most amazing discovery within us " that no one is

interested, despite the collective effort of tens of thousands for

the last three decades? Are you referring to the subtle system--

chakras, nadis, kundalini--that thousands of yoga teachers are

advertising too? Is there a database at www.sahajayoga.org that i can

access to find out/realize that " most amazing discovery " ?

 

You also said that:

 

" Like many other, I also now prefer to not to post anything on other

issues too, as I think that may raise some other issues / reactions. "

 

Just want to let you know that most of the issues have been discussed

over the last six years. We have just passed the 10,000 posts landmark

that covered many issues. Any reactions left are now mostly of the

negative type involving SYSSR SYs like you. Most forum members are

silent because the knowledge presented can only be imbibed through

quiet introspection and contemplation. Moreover, this knowledge is

not for subtle system SYs since they claim to have earned PhDs in

this " most amazing discovery within us " ; so what is the need for any

other knowledge? They are so enlightened and falling over each other

as they knock and rock Heaven's Door that it is beneath their dignity

to know anything else that may corrupt their pure minds. And when it

comes from a pariah night-soil carrier like me, even my mere shadow

contaminates their holiness. So what do they think of the burden i am

carrying, or the consequences of grappling with me while i am on my

rounds around the subtle system neighbourhood?

 

i also want to make a small amendment in memory of ex-world leader

Yogi Mahajan who was in 1995 the first to read, and reject, 50 pages

of Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God. Yogi Mahajan then initiated

the worldwide InquiSYtion against my children and myself. It did not

matter that Kash, Arwinder and Lalita were giving evidence to his own

beliefs, which can be quoted from his book " The Ascent " :

 

“Only those who go deep in the source discover the Golden Goddess

that resides within. Her touch enlightens and enthralls the total

being. It is indeed the miracle of miracles. This miracle resides in

every being. The wise pursue it, the scriptures speak of it, and the

saints glory in its praise.”

 

Yogi Mahajan, The Ascent,

Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, Delhi, 1997 p. 4.

 

The only way for him to get around this obstacle was to claim that

they were possessed by evil spirits.

 

Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John Noyce, Kuntal Sood,

Raj, WCASY members, and subtle system SYs like you are just carrying

on that InquiSYtion. So the recent post should have been titled:

 

" Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls

before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn

and tear you to pieces. " (Matthew 7:6)

 

And you are right on this Anil: “Discussion is an exchange of

knowledge whereas an argument is an exchange of ignorance.” That is

why i prefer subtle system SYs to go away as i do not want to give

what is holy to dogs or throw pearls before swine. That holy knowledge

and pearls of enlightenment is for the rest of humanity, i.e., the

99.999999% not interested in the official SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion).

 

regards,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

 

 

, Anil Kumar

<hello_betu wrote:

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> Dear Violet

>

> Thanks for the trial to explain. I also tried. Yours many previous

posts, " original ones "   were beautiful, and I  seek many things /

lessons from them. Earlier also, we had exchange of private e - mails

in which you  helped me answering my queries. Thanks for  all that.

>

> Anyway, let's stop this argument HERE as these are not 

discussions. Discussion is an exchange of knowledge whereas an

argument is an exchange of ignorance. I believe  that when an

argument  flares up,  the wise  man should quench it with silence.

The moment we  want to  believe something, we suddenly  see all

the  arguments for it,  and become blind to the arguments against

it. Hence, silence is  one of the hardest argument  to refute. So,

from me, do  not expect any further posts on the issue. Like many

others, I also now prefer to not to post anything on other issues

too, as I think that may raise some other issues / reactions.

>

> I would like to quote that love is saying " I feel differently "

instead of " you are wrong " .

>

> Regards!

>

> Jai Shri Mataji

>

> Anil

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> a n i l    k u m a r    k a n h a u a     |    tel + 91

93012 78103     |

> hello_betu

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> for the most amazing discovery within us

> please visit   www.sahajayoga.org

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>

> --- On Thu, 16/10/08, Violet <violetubb wrote:

> Violet <violetubb

> Re: We should not throw pearls

before swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar,

John Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj

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> Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 5:54 AM

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Dear Anil,

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> You are not telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the

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> truth. Even when a part of the truth is perverted, the whole truth

goes down. That is what you have also done with Kabir's words, by the

annotations which you have added to them.

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> For that reason i leave you to your Self, and maybe you can sort

each other out in Silence. And remember that it was your good-self

that emailed me first and not the other way around.

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>

> regards,

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> violet

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> adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, Anil Kumar

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> <hello_betu@ ...> wrote:

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> > Dear Violet

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> > It's quite easy to divert a topic and to lead it to arguments

which

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> are of no use, at least to me. I simply tried to expose some hidden

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> characteristics as I found that even my e - mail (wrongly sent to

you)

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> is under discussion in the forum. This attitude plainly speaks

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> something and in no circumstances it can be termed as " constructive

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> criticism " . Besides reading the beautiful wisdom that is contained

on

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> that mail, which is based on the vast experiences, you and Jagbir

both

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> tried to relate it with your own confused horizon. I am reading this

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> forum since 2003, and I very well know the modus - operandi being

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> practiced here.

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> > Jagbir did  a forensic analysis of archives to anyhow dominate

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> again. You too are not far behind. I don't know whether you read the

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> contents of my mail or not, but forensically you read the names and

e

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> - mail IDs of recipients therein and picked up a name " Ishmael

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> Abraham " to raise another issue.

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> > Its really a rigid approach to not behave properly with fellow

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> members who are not " like - minded " . I am commenting this based on

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> years of experiences on this forum. There are many such instances

when

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> Jagbir behaved " ugly " with members and the members, without replying

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> to him, preferred to leave the forum.

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> >

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> > I quoted few enlightened verses in my previous post with a hope

you

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> and Jagbir may read and practice them by heart. I appreciate the

work

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> done but I also feel that you both must practice introspection also.

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> > Regards!

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> >

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> > Jai Shri Mataji

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> >

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> > Anil

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> > a n i l    k u m a r    k a n h a u a    

|    tel + 91

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> 93012 78103     |

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> > hello_betu@ ..

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> > ____________ _________ _________ ______

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> >

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> > for the most amazing discovery within us

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> > please visit   www.sahajayoga. org

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> > --- On Tue, 14/10/08, jagbir singh <adishakti_org@ ...> wrote:

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> > jagbir singh <adishakti_org@ ...>

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> > [adishakti_sahaja_ yoga] We should not throw pearls

before

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> swine like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John

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> Noyce, Kuntal Sood, Raj

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> > adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com

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> > Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 7:27 PM

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> > Dear Violet and all,

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> > Thanks for taking the trouble to explain with love and balance an

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> > ugly topic that crops up every now and then. i say " ugly " because

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> > this negativity never seems to end, and is constantly attacking

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> > few who are trying their best to be honest and forthright about

who

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> > Shri Mataji really is and what is Her message to humanity.

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> > Over nearly three decades Shri Mataji's advent and message was

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> > completely edited out by the SY organization and turned into the

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> > official SYSSR. If not for our websites and forum set up post-

2000,

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> > there would have been no hope of humanity knowing the truth i.e.,

the

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> > 99.9999% of human beings who have not heard of the Comforter and

the

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> > General Resurrection etc.

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> > i believe this year 2008 has been a watershed, a crucial dividing

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> > point between two forces fighting for survival. i quote the

recent

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> > post to Andrzey to clarify my point:

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> > " There are two possibilities Andrzey. You can either:

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> > i) learn about the petty subtle system at the official SY site:

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> > ii) study hundreds of pages regarding the advent of the Divine

Mother/

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> > Comforter and Her message of the General Resurrection at:

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> > http://www.adishakt i.org/

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> > http://adishakti. org/forum/ comforter_ will_recall_ to_their_

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> minds_jesus_ teachings. htm

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> > The difference between both is a lesson in human corruption, lack

of

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> > conscience and collective denial of core beliefs. You will be

able to

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> > teach others about mass self-deception and denial, especially if

you

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> > join a Sahaja Yoga collective to confirm my response. i assure

you it

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> > will be a very enriching experience, either way. Best of luck. "

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> > The recent Guru Puja speech could not have come at a better time,

and

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> > rids us of much constrain, guilt and negativity from SYSSR SYs.

We

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> > must now keep these subtle system SYs out of here/future

organization

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> > (s) to stop them from contaminating and corrupting a most sacred

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> > trust. Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of

unsurpassed

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> > enlightenemnt in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension-

-

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> > there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion,

guru,

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> > leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any

other

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> > human invention to participate in the General Resurrection.

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> > 2008 is also a watershed for understanding Lord Jesus, the

Comforter

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> > promised by Him, and Her message of the Last Judgment and

Resurrection

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> > into the Kingdom of God. In short, this year has been

extraordinarily

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> > enriching in enlightenment. With so much at stake, and so few of

us

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> > to deliver the Good News, we should not throw pearls before swine

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> > like Anil, Alan Wherry, Edward Saugstad, Viktor Bodhar, John

Noyce,

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> > Kuntal Sood, Raj ........... to name just a few of the SYSSR SYs.

It

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> > is best we tell them in no uncertain terms to leave us alone,

though

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> > they are most welcome to join and help spread Shri Mataji's

message of

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> > the promised Blossom Time in all its entirety i.e., the

eschatology

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> > of the promised General Resurrection to evolve from physical

beings

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> > into eternal spirits, which Jesus gave evidence two millennia ago

and

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> > promised the Comforter to explain it at the appointed Hour!

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> > warmest regards,

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> > jagbir

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> > adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, " Violet "

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> > <violetubb@ ..> wrote:

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> > > Dear Anil and all,

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> > > Sahaja Yoga is one's Union with the Divine within. That union

is

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> > not affected adversely by my stating on this forum, for the

record,

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> > that " Anil, please remove me from your list " . OK, i accept you

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> > forwarded it by accident.

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> > > The thing we are after on this forum, is to state the truth

that

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> > Shri Mataji, Shri Jesus and the other incarnations and prophets

gave

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> > and to coordinate it into a wholistic picture which can be cross-

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> > examined by people from all religio-spiritual backgrounds, or no

such

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> > backgrounds at all. This extensive coordination is also the

reason

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> > for the extensive quotes, which we work hard, day and night, to

put

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> > out. It is to help dispel spiritual ignorance, which according to

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> > Shri Mataji, is the greatest negativity of all. If you don't

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> > appreciate this work that Jagbir, Nicole, Gerlinde, and myself

are

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> > doing, you don't have to read it.

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> > > > Your reactions and corresponding posts evidently speak that

you

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> > > > lack the elements of love and compassion and just try to

dominate.

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> > > Anil, you confuse spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking

with

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> > a lack of love, compassion and trying to dominate. But it is this

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> > very faculty of spiritual discrimination and plain-speaking,

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> > especially to oneself, that helps to keep a person in happy Union

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> > with the Divine within. This spiritual discrimination also gives

the

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> > wisdom to have no association with false gurus, like Ishmael

Abraham

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> > (not his real name) who i noticed was one of the recipients of

your

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> > email. Jagbir warned forum members in March 2007 about Ishmael,

but i

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> > guess you know better:

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> > > http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/

message/7653

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> > > > This attitude has resulted in the acute lack of activities on

this

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> > > > forum. Anyone may easily notice that normally you two only

read

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> > > > and write here, and all almost left.

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> > > There is no lack of communication on this forum - plenty of

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> > communication! People are imbibing what they read, which

satisfies

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> > the answers to their questions. We have ample evidence of how

many

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> > have engaged with this forum, and go away happy with what they

have

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> > read. The only people not happy with what they have read, are

those

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> > who advocate WCASY's SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion)

or

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> > those who follow false gurus, like Ishmael and others - and

mostly,

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> > these are not happy because we won't accept their false gurus on

this

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> > forum, but advocate that each person become their own guru, by

going

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> > within. That is Sahaja Yoga the way Shri Mataji taught it - to

become

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> > your own guru, master, or teacher and then enabling others to

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> > > > But, it is surprising that even an e †" mail is

under discussion

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> > > > on the forum. In past, I noticed that you both are keenly

involved

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> > > > in finding faults in others and made them an issue in this

space.

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> > > > Realized souls never take part in such petty things and

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> > > > they mainly introspect

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> > > i trust you can now see why your email is under discussion on

this

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> > forum. You see, we don't play a Sahaj game here, but we hold what

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> > people say, against the truth that Shri Mataji, Christ, and

others

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> > have given, which agree with each other. That is the nature of

truth,

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> > which you have not yet discovered, or we would not be having this

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> > discussion. You see, we do not need to accept false gurus here,

and

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> > prefer not to associate with them, as they only bring spiritual

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> > jeopardy to one's soul. It's best to disassociate from them, if

you

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> > > Our only thing, is that we go to the Divine within, and

encourage

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> > others to do so too, and not to fall to false gurus. Maybe that

is

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> > not enough for you, who don't seem happy with the forum. And

maybe,

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> > you need to argue that all the way to high heaven. In other

words,

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> > rather, you waste time confusing constructive criticism, which is

a

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> > introspection, with destructive criticism, which is " finding

fault

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> > for no good reason " . Realized souls do take part in constructive

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> > criticism of themselves and others, because it gives warning,

dispels

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> > ignorance, and allows a cleared space for Wisdom to flow in. Shri

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> > Mataji and Christ and other incarnations and prophets all

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