We will have to celebrate the experience of the Great Mother

November 6, 2008

>

> But you are right though. Most people I have ever brought to the

> programs do not really want to go to pujas or take part in the

> external rituals- first reactions from people are usually along the

> lines of 'is this really necessary?'. They kind of just go along

> with it after some sweet talking - and eventually without knowing it

> become brainwashed into it I suspect- I know this might sound harsh

> to some people - just a viewpoint to consider. Even me, I felt I was

> expected to go with the rest of the sheep otherwise I would not

> really be welcome at the meetings. I am not saying there is no self

> gain by these rituals etc but I think they are just keeping sahaja

> yoga a small sect - problem is, when you're in there living it,

> ofcourse you don't see it as a sect. I still believe sahaja yoga can

> be extremely unhealthy for some peoples minds because of all the

> things Jagbir has mentioned. My first few weeks were great until all

> the other stuff got introduced to me gradually confusing me. Few

> more months down the line I started to feel disturbed. The

> superstition in sahaj needs to be eradicated quickly if we are to

> attract more people and stop them from deteriorating

> psychologically. Some people at these meetings carry on like they

> are qualified mental health practitioners or doctors haha.....and

> the scary part is they don't even realize it half the time. They

> issue out all kinds of advice to people with serious conditions

> they themselves have never experienced... leading them on to believe

> their ridiculous treatments will make a major difference... even

> cure you. It is a struggle for them to recommend a doctor or

> someone who doesn't have a cool breeze emitting from somewhere.

> Better to take advice from someone with some cool breeze and no

> qualifications than someone with no cool breeze but a lifetime of

> professional medical experience.

>

> Right, better foot-soak with some salt.

>

Dear devotees of the Great Mother,

Namaste - i bow to the Divine Mother who exists within you!

i received an email two weeks ago suggesting that we celebrate the

Divine Mother. This is what Violet wrote:

date: Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM

subject: More on the 'Collective Spiritual Birthday'

Dear Jagbir,

A collective spiritual birthday would be one day in the year, where

we collectively celebrate together 'the Self'. We have reason to

celebrate our 'Self'. It could be used as a day of celebration 'to

the Self', giving praise to the Divine Mother. It would be a nice

thing to do.

violet (end)

i did agree to give some details.

Today, after having reading Adam's email (above), i am absolutely

convinced that we need to completely disassociate and distance

ourselves as far as possible from the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

System Religion). If we do not act now future seekers will always be

diseased by this highly contagious SYSSReligion. And Adam has made it

so clear that the consequences of not acting now is dire:

" The superstition in sahaj needs to be eradicated quickly if we are

to attract more people and stop them from deteriorating

psychologically. "

i cannot agree more, especially his accurate prognosis of people

deteriorating psychologically. It has been a long wait for someone

brave and honest enough to state the obvious. i knew that for a fact

in my early years in Sahaja Yoga. The SYs i was with had all kinds of

unfounded fears, absurd fanaticism, and unbalanced nature that always

disturbed my wife and myself .......... even till today! It was the

same for all SY collectives. (My brief encounter with the

divinesahajayoga forum only reinforced the obvious. And the rare

subtle system SY who posts here, sooner or later confirms ifection of

the SYSSReligion disease. The latest SY who exhibited symptoms of

this disease was Anil Kumar.)

However, all the while i refrained from stating so as SYs would have

just accused me of making it up just to criticize them. Well, today

it comes from someone who has stayed in their collectives and became

diseased by the SYSSReligion. The good news is that because Adam kept

occasionally reading the posts at this forum, the disease has not

progressed to an advanced stage. The day he leaves this sanctuary of

sanity for good, it will probably consume him completely.

So in order to save ourselves from this SYSSR disease we will have to

quarantine ourselves forever from SYs, and prevent others from being

diseased by them. In order to do this, we will have to begin daily

experiencing the Great Mother within us. The reason is because this

" primordial experience of the Great Mother is the foundation of later

cultures all over the world. She is like an immense tree, whose roots

lie beyond the reach of our consciousness, whose branches are all the

forms of life we know, and whose flowering is a potential within us,

a potential that only a tiny handful of the human race has realized. " -

- Andrew Harvey & Anne Baring, The Divine Feminine

i have the following suggestions:

i) Every 13th. November will be celebrated as " Divine Feminine Day "

as that is the day Kash first entered his own Sahasrara and met the

Great Mother. Since 13 November 1993 She has given evidence that,

without a shadow of doubt, She exists as pure consciousness within all

of us ................. and so does our eternal soul.

ii) Every 20th. July will be celebrated as the day Shri Mataji

announced Her retirement and granted all Her devotees vast, far-

reaching and unprecedented powers and absolute freedom to spread Her

advent and message. We do not need any clearance from any WCASY or

leader anymore. (i would welcome a special name for this day.)

Note: We may celebrate Her in any way we wish - taking a walk in the

park; having Kentucky Fried Chicken; meditating in a group; being

Silent; reflecting on life/universe; rejoicing and being happy that

the time has come for the Resurrection and such a great event we are

facing; remembering all the great incarnations; and so forth.

iii) We will not label ourselves as any group or organization. Instead

seekers will be welcome on the promise of enlightenment based entirely

on their religious background. All we need is do is direct seekers to

www.adishakti.org and related sites (that are now over 3000 webpages).

Christians can join to follow the teachings of the promised Comforter,

or merge with the Holy Spirit within, or learn more of Christ's

teachings and why those born of the Spirit will feel the Wind. Muslims

can join to take part in Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection), or check out

why so many are feeling the Winds of Qiyamah. Jews may find the

Breath of God triggered within humans by the promised Messiah very

comforting since it is a Sure Sign revealed in their Torah. Hindus

may want to merge with the Adi Shakti within, or awaken their

Kundalini, or meditate on Sri Lalita in their Sahasrara. Sikhs may

welcome the fact that the Great Mother is the Aykaa Mayee. Others may

want to join to find out and realize why the Great Mother " is like an

immense tree, whose roots lie beyond the reach of our consciousness,

whose branches are all the forms of life we know, and whose flowering

is a potential within us, a potential that only a tiny handful of the

human race has realized. " What can we label ourselves thus? Why

create divisions and exclusivity? Why not allow everyone the freedom

to choose the religious path(s) they feel most comfortable with? Why

not let everyone be their own gurus as all the required information

is at www.adishakti.org and related websites?

iv) Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

enlightenment in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension--

there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

human invention to participate in the General Resurrection/evolution

from a physical being into the eternal spirit.

v) Other than the Divine Feminine, here will be no leaders or gurus

to guide. Her incarnation Shri Mataji has given all the knowledge

over the last three decades as a compass to get our bearings. The

Great Mother not only confirmed the advent and message of Her

incarnation through Kash, Arwinder and Lalita, but also fulfilled the

eschatological expectations of the major religions. And since Shri

Mataji has officially resigned and will one day leave us, the future

will increasingly be towards the Great Mother.

As the Gnostic priest and author Jordan Stratford states:

" To be saved from the forces of deception and ignorance (maya in

Buddhist parlance) one must attain enlightenment: the direct

experiential intimacy with God that is gnosis. This experience is the

birthright of every aware human person. "

That enligtenment has nothing to do with the SYSSReligion and their

obsessive, ritualistic chakra-cleansing pettiness and avidya. To rid

ourselves of this disease and be saved from these SYSSReligion forces

of deception and ignorance we will have to celebrate the primordial

experience of the Great Mother ........... and daily experience Her

in our lives as our innermost Self; the direct experiential intimacy

with God that is gnosis. That is Self-realization! Period!

regards to all,

jagbir

Main Entry: ex•pe•ri•en•tial

relating to, derived from, or providing experience : empirical

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

November 8, 2008

Dear Jagbir and all,

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org wrote:i have the following suggestions:

i) Every 13th. November will be celebrated as " Divine Feminine Day " as that is

the day Kash first entered his own Sahasrara and met the Great Mother. Since 13

November 1993 She has given evidence that, without a shadow of doubt, She exists

as pure consciousness within all of us ................. and so does our eternal

soul.

Jagbir, as you say, the Great Mother has revealed that She and our eternal soul,

exist as pure consciousness within. And the Great Mother first started to reveal

about Herself on the 13th November, 1993. That makes '13 November' an eminently

suitable date to celebrate " Divine Feminine Day " . So....... lets start to

celebrate " Divine Feminine Day " starting 13 November, 2008 - shall we???!!! (And

as you say, we can celebrate Her according to whichever way we would wish to.

That is nice that we are getting away from any kind of 'religious conformity'

here, that way. i am sure that the Divine Mother will appreciate that also.)

ii) Every 20th. July will be celebrated as the day Shri Mataji announced Her

retirement and granted all Her devotees vast, far-reaching and unprecedented

powers and absolute freedom to spread Her advent and message. We do not need any

clearance from any WCASY or leader anymore. (i would welcome a special name for

this day.)

Note: We may celebrate Her in any way we wish - taking a walk in the park;

having Kentucky Fried Chicken; meditating in a group; being Silent; reflecting

on life/universe; rejoicing and being happy that the time has come for the

Resurrection and such a great event we are facing; remembering all the great

incarnations; and so forth.

Jagbir, this is a very important date also. So, lets remember this date, when

Shri Mataji gave us absolute freedom to spread Her advent and message with no

needed clearance from any WCASY or leader. How about calling it 'Spiritual

Independence Day'? Such a name could have several meanings: the first being that

a person needs to learn to become dependent on their internal 'eternal' Spirit -

and the second one being that therefore, the person needs to wean themselves

from all external religious authority, which has become superceded by the

internal spiritual authority. This can be a gradual process with increasing

Self-realisation, of course. But if a person tries to have two masters, it won't

work out. He won't please either one of them. We are talking about the month of

July here, and July 4th as we know, is celebrated as American Independence Day.

So, that is the same month that we could also celebrate our 'Spiritual

Independence Day'. What do you say, Jagbir?

iii) We will not label ourselves as any group or organization. Instead seekers

will be welcome on the promise of enlightenment based entirely on their

religious background. All we need is do is direct seekers to www.adishakti.org

and related sites (that are now over 3000 webpages). Christians can join to

follow the teachings of the promised Comforter, or merge with the Holy Spirit

within, or learn more of Christ's teachings and why those born of the Spirit

will feel the Wind. Muslims can join to take part in Al-Qiyamah (The

Resurrection), or check out why so many are feeling the Winds of Qiyamah. Jews

may find the Breath of God triggered within humans by the promised Messiah very

comforting since it is a Sure Sign revealed in their Torah. Hindus may want to

merge with the Adi Shakti within, or awaken their Kundalini, or meditate on Sri

Lalita in their Sahasrara. Sikhs may welcome the fact that the Great Mother is

the Aykaa Mayee. Others may want to join to find out and realize why the Great

Mother " is like an immense tree, whose roots lie beyond the reach of our

consciousness, whose branches are all the forms of life we know, and whose

flowering is a potential within us, a potential that only a tiny handful of the

human race has realized. " What can we label ourselves thus? Why create divisions

and exclusivity? Why not allow everyone the freedom to choose the religious

path(s) they feel most comfortable with? Why not let everyone be their own gurus

as all the required information is at www.adishakti.org and related websites?

Very well said, Jagbir! i agree that to label ourselves will limit ourselves and

also create divisions and exclusivity. And how can we find a name for all paths

anyway?! It is next to impossible. Also, allowing everyone the freedom to choose

the religious path they are comfortable with in the becoming of their own

" guru " , sounds like the only solution there really is of how to have/be an

organisation without all the disadvantages of being an exclusive organisation.

In other words, it becomes an organisation that is inclusive, i.e., it includes

everyone - just as you have explained in detail above! Yes, i like it very much!

It sounds to me like the best way forward for us!

iv) Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed enlightenment

in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension-- there must be no other

emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru, leadership, ritual, treatment,

penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other human invention to participate in the

General Resurrection/evolution from a physical being into the eternal spirit.

Again, well said! When a person is in Silence on Self, where are the other

emphases on rules, dress, food, religion, guru, leadership, ritual, treatment,

penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other human invention?! They just don't exist.

Everything is there, within the Self. This is the thing. Which is also why Plato

said: " Know Thyself " . If people " Know Themselves " by " Silence on Self " - that

state is the " innermost core of unsurpassed enlightenment in its most simplistic

reduction and comprehension " . This is also the only way we can have people from

all religious backgrounds, come together in agreement, through Silence on Self.

There will therefore be nothing to quibble and argue about, except to argue

" with One's Self " if a person is still so inclined, lol! But, what i mean is,

there will be no more arguing or quibbling on the SYSSReligion anymore, thank

God!

v) Other than the Divine Feminine, here will be no leaders or gurus to guide.

Her incarnation Shri Mataji has given all the knowledge over the last three

decades as a compass to get our bearings. The Great Mother not only confirmed

the advent and message of Her incarnation through Kash, Arwinder and Lalita, but

also fulfilled the eschatological expectations of the major religions. And since

Shri Mataji has officially resigned and will one day leave us, the future will

increasingly be towards the Great Mother.

Yes, no leaders is good. And as you say, Shri Mataji has given all the knowledge

as a compass to get our bearings. Like you say: " And since Shri Mataji has

officially resigned and will one day leave us, the future will increasingly be

towards the Great Mother. " This is true. People will begin to see the Whole

Forest. As Shri Mataji said Herself, She came to introduce us to our individual

Mother Within. She came to introduce us to the " Great Mother " ! That has been

forgotten, with the SYSSReligion. i hear no such information, there! The Mother

that Shri Mataji incarnated to introduce us to, has been all but forgotten, it

would seem. Which is all the more reason, that we include Her.

As the Gnostic priest and author Jordan Stratford states:

" To be saved from the forces of deception and ignorance (maya in Buddhist

parlance) one must attain enlightenment: the direct experiential intimacy with

God that is gnosis. This experience is the birthright of every aware human

person. "

That enlightenment has nothing to do with the SYSSReligion and their obsessive,

ritualistic chakra-cleansing pettiness and avidya. To rid ourselves of this

disease and be saved from these SYSSReligion forces of deception and ignorance

we will have to celebrate the primordial experience of the Great Mother

............ and daily experience Her in our lives as our innermost Self; the

direct experiential intimacy with God that is gnosis. That is Self-realization!

Period!

regards to all,

jagbir

> > But you are right though. Most people I have ever brought to the

> > programs do not really want to go to pujas or take part in the

> > external rituals- first reactions from people are usually along the

> > lines of 'is this really necessary?'. They kind of just go along

> > with it after some sweet talking - and eventually without knowing it

> > become brainwashed into it I suspect- I know this might sound harsh

> > to some people - just a viewpoint to consider. Even me, I felt I was

> > expected to go with the rest of the sheep otherwise I would not

> > really be welcome at the meetings. I am not saying there is no self

> > gain by these rituals etc but I think they are just keeping sahaja

> > yoga a small sect - problem is, when you're in there living it,

> > ofcourse you don't see it as a sect. I still believe sahaja yoga can

> > be extremely unhealthy for some peoples minds because of all the

> > things Jagbir has mentioned. My first few weeks were great until all

> > the other stuff got introduced to me gradually confusing me. Few

> > more months down the line I started to feel disturbed. The

> > superstition in sahaj needs to be eradicated quickly if we are to

> > attract more people and stop them from deteriorating

> > psychologically. Some people at these meetings carry on like they

> > are qualified mental health practitioners or doctors haha.....and

> > the scary part is they don't even realize it half the time. They

> > issue out all kinds of advice to people with serious conditions

> > they themselves have never experienced... leading them on to believe

> > their ridiculous treatments will make a major difference... even

> > cure you. It is a struggle for them to recommend a doctor or

> > someone who doesn't have a cool breeze emitting from somewhere.

> > Better to take advice from someone with some cool breeze and no

> > qualifications than someone with no cool breeze but a lifetime of

> > professional medical experience.

> >

> > Right, better foot-soak with some salt.

> >

>

> Dear devotees of the Great Mother,

>

> Namaste - i bow to the Divine Mother who exists within you!

>

> i received an email two weeks ago suggesting that we celebrate the

> Divine Mother. This is what Violet wrote:

>

> date: Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM

> subject: More on the 'Collective Spiritual Birthday'

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> A collective spiritual birthday would be one day in the year, where

> we collectively celebrate together 'the Self'. We have reason to

> celebrate our 'Self'. It could be used as a day of celebration 'to

> the Self', giving praise to the Divine Mother. It would be a nice

> thing to do.

>

> violet (end)

>

> i did agree to give some details.

>

> Today, after having reading Adam's email (above), i am absolutely

> convinced that we need to completely disassociate and distance

> ourselves as far as possible from the SYSSR (Sahaja Yoga Subtle

> System Religion). If we do not act now future seekers will always be

> diseased by this highly contagious SYSSReligion. And Adam has made it

> so clear that the consequences of not acting now is dire:

>

> " The superstition in sahaj needs to be eradicated quickly if we are

> to attract more people and stop them from deteriorating

> psychologically. "

>

> i cannot agree more, especially his accurate prognosis of people

> deteriorating psychologically. It has been a long wait for someone

> brave and honest enough to state the obvious. i knew that for a fact

> in my early years in Sahaja Yoga. The SYs i was with had all kinds of

> unfounded fears, absurd fanaticism, and unbalanced nature that always

> disturbed my wife and myself .......... even till today! It was the

> same for all SY collectives. (My brief encounter with the

> divinesahajayoga forum only reinforced the obvious. And the rare

> subtle system SY who posts here, sooner or later confirms ifection of

> the SYSSReligion disease. The latest SY who exhibited symptoms of

> this disease was Anil Kumar.)

>

> However, all the while i refrained from stating so as SYs would have

> just accused me of making it up just to criticize them. Well, today

> it comes from someone who has stayed in their collectives and became

> diseased by the SYSSReligion. The good news is that because Adam kept

> occasionally reading the posts at this forum, the disease has not

> progressed to an advanced stage. The day he leaves this sanctuary of

> sanity for good, it will probably consume him completely.

>

> So in order to save ourselves from this SYSSR disease we will have to

> quarantine ourselves forever from SYs, and prevent others from being

> diseased by them. In order to do this, we will have to begin daily

> experiencing the Great Mother within us. The reason is because this

> " primordial experience of the Great Mother is the foundation of later

> cultures all over the world. She is like an immense tree, whose roots

> lie beyond the reach of our consciousness, whose branches are all the

> forms of life we know, and whose flowering is a potential within us,

> a potential that only a tiny handful of the human race has realized. " -

> - Andrew Harvey & Anne Baring, The Divine Feminine

>

> i have the following suggestions:

>

> i) Every 13th. November will be celebrated as " Divine Feminine Day "

> as that is the day Kash first entered his own Sahasrara and met the

> Great Mother. Since 13 November 1993 She has given evidence that,

> without a shadow of doubt, She exists as pure consciousness within all

> of us ................. and so does our eternal soul.

>

> ii) Every 20th. July will be celebrated as the day Shri Mataji

> announced Her retirement and granted all Her devotees vast, far-

> reaching and unprecedented powers and absolute freedom to spread Her

> advent and message. We do not need any clearance from any WCASY or

> leader anymore. (i would welcome a special name for this day.)

>

> Note: We may celebrate Her in any way we wish - taking a walk in the

> park; having Kentucky Fried Chicken; meditating in a group; being

> Silent; reflecting on life/universe; rejoicing and being happy that

> the time has come for the Resurrection and such a great event we are

> facing; remembering all the great incarnations; and so forth.

>

> iii) We will not label ourselves as any group or organization. Instead

> seekers will be welcome on the promise of enlightenment based entirely

> on their religious background. All we need is do is direct seekers to

> www.adishakti.org and related sites (that are now over 3000 webpages).

> Christians can join to follow the teachings of the promised Comforter,

> or merge with the Holy Spirit within, or learn more of Christ's

> teachings and why those born of the Spirit will feel the Wind. Muslims

> can join to take part in Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection), or check out

> why so many are feeling the Winds of Qiyamah. Jews may find the

> Breath of God triggered within humans by the promised Messiah very

> comforting since it is a Sure Sign revealed in their Torah. Hindus

> may want to merge with the Adi Shakti within, or awaken their

> Kundalini, or meditate on Sri Lalita in their Sahasrara. Sikhs may

> welcome the fact that the Great Mother is the Aykaa Mayee. Others may

> want to join to find out and realize why the Great Mother " is like an

> immense tree, whose roots lie beyond the reach of our consciousness,

> whose branches are all the forms of life we know, and whose flowering

> is a potential within us, a potential that only a tiny handful of the

> human race has realized. " What can we label ourselves thus? Why

> create divisions and exclusivity? Why not allow everyone the freedom

> to choose the religious path(s) they feel most comfortable with? Why

> not let everyone be their own gurus as all the required information

> is at www.adishakti.org and related websites?

>

> iv) Other than Silence on Self--the innermost core of unsurpassed

> enlightenment in its most simplistic reduction and comprehension--

> there must be no other emphasis on rules, dress, food, religion, guru,

> leadership, ritual, treatment, penance, idol, pilgrimage, or any other

> human invention to participate in the General Resurrection/evolution

> from a physical being into the eternal spirit.

>

> v) Other than the Divine Feminine, here will be no leaders or gurus

> to guide. Her incarnation Shri Mataji has given all the knowledge

> over the last three decades as a compass to get our bearings. The

> Great Mother not only confirmed the advent and message of Her

> incarnation through Kash, Arwinder and Lalita, but also fulfilled the

> eschatological expectations of the major religions. And since Shri

> Mataji has officially resigned and will one day leave us, the future

> will increasingly be towards the Great Mother.

>

> As the Gnostic priest and author Jordan Stratford states:

>

> " To be saved from the forces of deception and ignorance (maya in

> Buddhist parlance) one must attain enlightenment: the direct

> experiential intimacy with God that is gnosis. This experience is the

> birthright of every aware human person. "

>

> That enligtenment has nothing to do with the SYSSReligion and their

> obsessive, ritualistic chakra-cleansing pettiness and avidya. To rid

> ourselves of this disease and be saved from these SYSSReligion forces

> of deception and ignorance we will have to celebrate the primordial

> experience of the Great Mother ........... and daily experience Her

> in our lives as our innermost Self; the direct experiential intimacy

> with God that is gnosis. That is Self-realization! Period!

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

> Main Entry: ex•pe•ri•en•tial

> relating to, derived from, or providing experience : empirical

> <experiential knowledge>

>

> Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

November 12, 2008

>

> Note: We may celebrate Her in any way we wish - taking a walk in the

> park; having Kentucky Fried Chicken; meditating in a group; being

> Silent; reflecting on life/universe; rejoicing and being happy that

> the time has come for the Resurrection and such a great event we are

> facing; remembering all the great incarnations; and so forth.

>

" Outside us are all these energies at work, but through our senses,

feelings, imagination, reason and will, through all the faculties of

our being, we structure a universe around us. It is a very limited

universe and a very limited understanding that we have. It is always

that we are structuring this appearance of the world around us. It is

not as it really is. The world is infinitely greater than we perceive

it. We only perceive those aspects of nature, matter and the energies

of existence which are reflected through our senses, our feelings,

our imagination, our mind and our will, through the whole of our human

organism, and this is our particular way of perceiving the universe.

So matter emerges into consciousness in us and we create this inner

world by which we can represent the world around us and that can

gradually be extended. The whole aim of pure science and of philosophy

is to get a more and more accurate knowledge of the world around, but

we know now that understanding is always conditioned by the

limitations of our minds. "

A New Vision of Reality (Western Science, Eastern Mysticism and

Christian Faith) Chapter 12, p.262

Bede Griffiths

Templegate Publishers - Springfield, Illinois

ISBN 0-87243-180-0

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