Comprehending Collectivity contributes to our growth in SYoga

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Violet and all,

 

First of all sisterly thanks for your warmth and sincerity!

Collectivity is essential for all of us as SYogis, and it is a great

essential idea to comprehend it as it is, in order not to feel hurt…

by some SYogis or SY groups/communities. On the other hand, once we

realize what real collectivity is, we can grow spiritually faster,

please our Divine Mother and Father, and contribute to saving of the

world from the destruction of the human ego.

 

It happened so that my practicing of SY started through Internet. For

almost 7 months it was meditation, SY education, group meditations on

Internet. Australian SY websites were my favourite and they helped

me to learn a lot about SY itself. Mother SM was my beloved Guru and

YouTube excerpts of Her talks were a source of Divine Nectar for me.

My Kundalini and my Self Spirit were bringing me joy and peace during

the meditations. My Spirit was pulsating in the heart;

Paramchaitanya was flowing downwards from Sahasrara. My prayers were

focused on complete union with and devotion to The Divne. For me

union with The Divine was union of the individual consciousness with

the Universal consciousness. Collectivity seemed to me to be a state

of our spiritual growth in which our awakened Self-Spirit becomes one

with the Divine Spirit (Divine Collective).

After I came across a SY statement on Internet that the SY groups,

meditating together, are called collectives, it created an impression

in me that all SY practitioners have achieved the stage of

collectivity of their Self-Spirits. This is the major reason which

pushed me to start attending the group meditations in the city, in

order to be one with them even in the physical dimension. First

group meditations, however, did not bring me satisfaction in the name

of the Spirit. Next another story added to my first impression.

The leader and his wife approached me and asked me to become a Rakhi

sister of the leader, what, they stressed on, is very important in

SYoga. No more details were revealed to me. Lack of clarity of this

request made me start a search to comprehend the meaning of this

relation. After one conversation, about the Rakhi brother-sister

relation, between me and an old SYogi, that was witnessed by the

leader's wife, a war exploded against me. Something in the

explanation of the Rakhi brother-sister relation of the old SYogi did

bother her. It was a hell after that. She spoiled my reputation in

the SY community, talking nonsense against me. A havan was held

against me. So much negativism was sent to me. This

particular " " " collective " " " looked to me as a black magic sect having

nothing to do with pure divine love what SYoga is all about.

Sure, I had to distance myself from it.

 

I continued asking The Divine to emit through me only pure divine

love to them, and to help them grow spiritually.

Continuing again my SY meditations on Internet started bringing me

the peace and joy I had before joining this " " " collective " " " .

Your postings about solitude just support my experiences of

individual meditation in solitude and spiritual growth.

Hopefully soon many of the SYogis will join the Real Collective of

the Lord.

 

On the other hand these sad experiences motivated me to focus only on

The Divine, on the Spirit, on vibrations. It helped me to stress on

the pure desires to become one with The Divine and to rise above Maya

consciously.

Hence SYoga is a spontaneous union with The Divine by the divine

grace, I (as a human being) surrendered to The Divine Lotus Feet in

the sweet lotus of Sahasrara. Realizing my role as an instrument of

The Divine, I let The Divine Mother to work out everything.

To be continued.

 

JSM,

Veni

[Guest guest]

Dear Veni,

 

i thought you were of the masculine gender, but from your latest post you seem

to refer to yourself as a 'sister'! Sometimes names confuse, so i googled 'Veni

Grig' and all this came up, which shows you have certainly been busy, in SY!:

 

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a & rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aoffic\

ial & channel=s & hl=en & q=Veni+Grig & meta= & btnG=Google+Search

 

warm regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " veni_grig "

<veni_grig wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet and all,

>

> First of all sisterly thanks for your warmth and sincerity!

> Collectivity is essential for all of us as SYogis, and it is a great

> essential idea to comprehend it as it is, in order not to feel hurt…

> by some SYogis or SY groups/communities. On the other hand, once we

> realize what real collectivity is, we can grow spiritually faster,

> please our Divine Mother and Father, and contribute to saving of the

> world from the destruction of the human ego.

>

> It happened so that my practicing of SY started through Internet. For

> almost 7 months it was meditation, SY education, group meditations on

> Internet. Australian SY websites were my favourite and they helped

> me to learn a lot about SY itself. Mother SM was my beloved Guru and

> YouTube excerpts of Her talks were a source of Divine Nectar for me.

> My Kundalini and my Self Spirit were bringing me joy and peace during

> the meditations. My Spirit was pulsating in the heart;

> Paramchaitanya was flowing downwards from Sahasrara. My prayers were

> focused on complete union with and devotion to The Divne. For me

> union with The Divine was union of the individual consciousness with

> the Universal consciousness. Collectivity seemed to me to be a state

> of our spiritual growth in which our awakened Self-Spirit becomes one

> with the Divine Spirit (Divine Collective).

> After I came across a SY statement on Internet that the SY groups,

> meditating together, are called collectives, it created an impression

> in me that all SY practitioners have achieved the stage of

> collectivity of their Self-Spirits. This is the major reason which

> pushed me to start attending the group meditations in the city, in

> order to be one with them even in the physical dimension. First

> group meditations, however, did not bring me satisfaction in the name

> of the Spirit. Next another story added to my first impression.

> The leader and his wife approached me and asked me to become a Rakhi

> sister of the leader, what, they stressed on, is very important in

> SYoga. No more details were revealed to me. Lack of clarity of this

> request made me start a search to comprehend the meaning of this

> relation. After one conversation, about the Rakhi brother-sister

> relation, between me and an old SYogi, that was witnessed by the

> leader's wife, a war exploded against me. Something in the

> explanation of the Rakhi brother-sister relation of the old SYogi did

> bother her. It was a hell after that. She spoiled my reputation in

> the SY community, talking nonsense against me. A havan was held

> against me. So much negativism was sent to me. This

> particular " " " collective " " " looked to me as a black magic sect having

> nothing to do with pure divine love what SYoga is all about.

> Sure, I had to distance myself from it.

>

> I continued asking The Divine to emit through me only pure divine

> love to them, and to help them grow spiritually.

> Continuing again my SY meditations on Internet started bringing me

> the peace and joy I had before joining this " " " collective " " " .

> Your postings about solitude just support my experiences of

> individual meditation in solitude and spiritual growth.

> Hopefully soon many of the SYogis will join the Real Collective of

> the Lord.

>

> On the other hand these sad experiences motivated me to focus only on

> The Divine, on the Spirit, on vibrations. It helped me to stress on

> the pure desires to become one with The Divine and to rise above Maya

> consciously.

> Hence SYoga is a spontaneous union with The Divine by the divine

> grace, I (as a human being) surrendered to The Divine Lotus Feet in

> the sweet lotus of Sahasrara. Realizing my role as an instrument of

> The Divine, I let The Divine Mother to work out everything.

> To be continued.

>

> JSM,

> Veni

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Veni,

 

Now, that i know you are of the feminine gender, and am not confused

on that point anymore, i would like to reply to your email. i am sorry that you

have had a rough time of it, but it seems that is par for the course we have to

go through. As Isabelle has said, we can just concentrate on staying in a

blissful state and pleasing the Divine Mother Within.

 

i am glad you are doing all right on your own, in universal collectivity,

instead of a 'local collectivity' where people can get stuck on each other. The

rakhi situation you describe sounds like one of those situations. i have never

heard of a S/Yogi arranging for a new yogi to be the rakhi brother of his wife

before!

 

regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " Violet " <violetubb

wrote:

>

> Dear Veni,

>

> i thought you were of the masculine gender, but from your latest

post you seem to refer to yourself as a 'sister'! Sometimes names

confuse, so i googled 'Veni Grig' and all this came up, which shows

you have certainly been busy, in SY!:

>

>

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a & rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aoffic\

ial & channel=s & hl=en & q=Veni+Grig & meta= & btnG=Google+Search

>

> warm regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " veni_grig "

> <veni_grig@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir, Violet and all,

> >

> > First of all sisterly thanks for your warmth and sincerity!

> > Collectivity is essential for all of us as SYogis, and it is a great

> > essential idea to comprehend it as it is, in order not to feel hurt…

> > by some SYogis or SY groups/communities. On the other hand, once we

> > realize what real collectivity is, we can grow spiritually faster,

> > please our Divine Mother and Father, and contribute to saving of the

> > world from the destruction of the human ego.

> >

> > It happened so that my practicing of SY started through Internet. For

> > almost 7 months it was meditation, SY education, group meditations on

> > Internet. Australian SY websites were my favourite and they helped

> > me to learn a lot about SY itself. Mother SM was my beloved Guru and

> > YouTube excerpts of Her talks were a source of Divine Nectar for me.

> > My Kundalini and my Self Spirit were bringing me joy and peace during

> > the meditations. My Spirit was pulsating in the heart;

> > Paramchaitanya was flowing downwards from Sahasrara. My prayers were

> > focused on complete union with and devotion to The Divne. For me

> > union with The Divine was union of the individual consciousness with

> > the Universal consciousness. Collectivity seemed to me to be a state

> > of our spiritual growth in which our awakened Self-Spirit becomes one

> > with the Divine Spirit (Divine Collective).

> > After I came across a SY statement on Internet that the SY groups,

> > meditating together, are called collectives, it created an impression

> > in me that all SY practitioners have achieved the stage of

> > collectivity of their Self-Spirits. This is the major reason which

> > pushed me to start attending the group meditations in the city, in

> > order to be one with them even in the physical dimension. First

> > group meditations, however, did not bring me satisfaction in the name

> > of the Spirit. Next another story added to my first impression.

> > The leader and his wife approached me and asked me to become a Rakhi

> > sister of the leader, what, they stressed on, is very important in

> > SYoga. No more details were revealed to me. Lack of clarity of this

> > request made me start a search to comprehend the meaning of this

> > relation. After one conversation, about the Rakhi brother-sister

> > relation, between me and an old SYogi, that was witnessed by the

> > leader's wife, a war exploded against me. Something in the

> > explanation of the Rakhi brother-sister relation of the old SYogi did

> > bother her. It was a hell after that. She spoiled my reputation in

> > the SY community, talking nonsense against me. A havan was held

> > against me. So much negativism was sent to me. This

> > particular " " " collective " " " looked to me as a black magic sect having

> > nothing to do with pure divine love what SYoga is all about.

> > Sure, I had to distance myself from it.

> >

> > I continued asking The Divine to emit through me only pure divine

> > love to them, and to help them grow spiritually.

> > Continuing again my SY meditations on Internet started bringing me

> > the peace and joy I had before joining this " " " collective " " " .

> > Your postings about solitude just support my experiences of

> > individual meditation in solitude and spiritual growth.

> > Hopefully soon many of the SYogis will join the Real Collective of

> > the Lord.

> >

> > On the other hand these sad experiences motivated me to focus only on

> > The Divine, on the Spirit, on vibrations. It helped me to stress on

> > the pure desires to become one with The Divine and to rise above Maya

> > consciously.

> > Hence SYoga is a spontaneous union with The Divine by the divine

> > grace, I (as a human being) surrendered to The Divine Lotus Feet in

> > the sweet lotus of Sahasrara. Realizing my role as an instrument of

> > The Divine, I let The Divine Mother to work out everything.

> > To be continued.

> >

> > JSM,

> > Veni

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Veni and all,

 

What i should have said, is that i have never heard of a man and wife, with the

man being the leader, collectively asking you to be the Rakhi Sister of the

Leader! Because normally, it was a free choice, of a sister asking whichever

brother she chooses, to be her Rakhi Brother!

 

But, in reality, those who are of the Spirit, are spiritual brothers and

sisters, and even those who aren't - we do try and be like a sister or brother

to them. It is just because of the Love we have for others. It is as simple as

that.

 

warmest regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

-- In , " Violet " <violetubb

wrote:

>

> Dear Veni,

>

> Now, that i know you are of the feminine gender, and am not confused

> on that point anymore, i would like to reply to your email. i am

sorry that you have had a rough time of it, but it seems that is par

for the course we have to go through. As Isabelle has said, we can

just concentrate on staying in a blissful state and pleasing the

Divine Mother Within.

>

> i am glad you are doing all right on your own, in universal

collectivity, instead of a 'local collectivity' where people can get

stuck on each other. The rakhi situation you describe sounds like one

of those situations. i have never heard of a S/Yogi arranging for a

new yogi to be the rakhi brother of his wife before!

>

> regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> , " Violet " <violetubb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Veni,

> >

> > i thought you were of the masculine gender, but from your latest

> post you seem to refer to yourself as a 'sister'! Sometimes names

> confuse, so i googled 'Veni Grig' and all this came up, which shows

> you have certainly been busy, in SY!:

> >

> >

>

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a & rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aoffic\

ial & channel=s & hl=en & q=Veni+Grig & meta= & btnG=Google+Search

> >

> > warm regards,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " veni_grig "

> > <veni_grig@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir, Violet and all,

> > >

> > > First of all sisterly thanks for your warmth and sincerity!

> > > Collectivity is essential for all of us as SYogis, and it is a great

> > > essential idea to comprehend it as it is, in order not to feel hurt…

> > > by some SYogis or SY groups/communities. On the other hand, once we

> > > realize what real collectivity is, we can grow spiritually faster,

> > > please our Divine Mother and Father, and contribute to saving of the

> > > world from the destruction of the human ego.

> > >

> > > It happened so that my practicing of SY started through

Internet. For

> > > almost 7 months it was meditation, SY education, group

meditations on

> > > Internet. Australian SY websites were my favourite and they helped

> > > me to learn a lot about SY itself. Mother SM was my beloved

Guru and

> > > YouTube excerpts of Her talks were a source of Divine Nectar for me.

> > > My Kundalini and my Self Spirit were bringing me joy and peace

during

> > > the meditations. My Spirit was pulsating in the heart;

> > > Paramchaitanya was flowing downwards from Sahasrara. My prayers

were

> > > focused on complete union with and devotion to The Divne. For me

> > > union with The Divine was union of the individual consciousness with

> > > the Universal consciousness. Collectivity seemed to me to be a

state

> > > of our spiritual growth in which our awakened Self-Spirit

becomes one

> > > with the Divine Spirit (Divine Collective).

> > > After I came across a SY statement on Internet that the SY groups,

> > > meditating together, are called collectives, it created an

impression

> > > in me that all SY practitioners have achieved the stage of

> > > collectivity of their Self-Spirits. This is the major reason which

> > > pushed me to start attending the group meditations in the city, in

> > > order to be one with them even in the physical dimension. First

> > > group meditations, however, did not bring me satisfaction in the

name

> > > of the Spirit. Next another story added to my first impression.

> > > The leader and his wife approached me and asked me to become a Rakhi

> > > sister of the leader, what, they stressed on, is very important in

> > > SYoga. No more details were revealed to me. Lack of clarity of

this

> > > request made me start a search to comprehend the meaning of this

> > > relation. After one conversation, about the Rakhi brother-sister

> > > relation, between me and an old SYogi, that was witnessed by the

> > > leader's wife, a war exploded against me. Something in the

> > > explanation of the Rakhi brother-sister relation of the old

SYogi did

> > > bother her. It was a hell after that. She spoiled my reputation in

> > > the SY community, talking nonsense against me. A havan was held

> > > against me. So much negativism was sent to me. This

> > > particular " " " collective " " " looked to me as a black magic sect having

> > > nothing to do with pure divine love what SYoga is all about.

> > > Sure, I had to distance myself from it.

> > >

> > > I continued asking The Divine to emit through me only pure divine

> > > love to them, and to help them grow spiritually.

> > > Continuing again my SY meditations on Internet started bringing me

> > > the peace and joy I had before joining this " " " collective " " " .

> > > Your postings about solitude just support my experiences of

> > > individual meditation in solitude and spiritual growth.

> > > Hopefully soon many of the SYogis will join the Real Collective of

> > > the Lord.

> > >

> > > On the other hand these sad experiences motivated me to focus

only on

> > > The Divine, on the Spirit, on vibrations. It helped me to stress on

> > > the pure desires to become one with The Divine and to rise above

Maya

> > > consciously.

> > > Hence SYoga is a spontaneous union with The Divine by the divine

> > > grace, I (as a human being) surrendered to The Divine Lotus Feet in

> > > the sweet lotus of Sahasrara. Realizing my role as an instrument of

> > > The Divine, I let The Divine Mother to work out everything.

> > > To be continued.

> > >

> > > JSM,

> > > Veni

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > >> Dear brother jagbirji,

> >

> > >> Jai shree Mataji!

> >

> > >> When you post previous reply to me you mentioned 12 types of

SYs, I think i am start to get your meaning this time. May be I now

meet most types.

> >

> > >> I believe in Mothers Grace, I believe in adiShakti. I don't

> > >> understand many yogis though and now starting thinking to

> leave SY official) and just believe for myself. So much things I

don't understand, like gateways and not allowed information, even

> see photos of Mother which I would like to print and keep in my

> place.

> >

> > >> Can I be SY but not in collective do you think? I have

> reasons not living in ashram (sick person to care of) and I don't

> understand religion that says some people are not good enough,

thank you for understanding me,,

> >

> > >> your sister,

> > >> JSM!!!!!

> >

> >

> shriadishakti , Oleg Savitsky

<savitsky@f...>

> wrote:

> > Jay Shri Mataji!

> >

> > Dear sister,

> >

> > Shri Mataji created sahaja yoga as collective yoga. That means

> when you are the part of sahaja collective - you get special

> blessings and attention from Shri Adi Shakti. But even you're

> meditating alone, Paramchaitanya, the all penetrating power, still

> with you - because you are connected. But considerate the quality

of Vishuddhi chakra you are loosing. It's very, very difficult to be

> out of sahaja collective and keep this chakra in a proper state -

> because of collectivity principle in it. You know that aspects of

> Vishuddhi includes collectivity, be a spectator, be unattached to

> everything, sweet talking and doing.

> >

> > According to your e-mail, you are really good and sweet sahaja

> yogini loving Shri Mataji. No doubts that you will spread your

love and patience to all people surrounding you. While spreading

pure love don't wait for reflecting it back, don't wait for

anything, just spread love and all things will go in the right

direction after a time. Be confident, we are upholding you with our

love too.

> >

> > Your brother,

> > Oleg Savitsky

> > Kiev, Ukraine

> >

> >

shriadishakti , " yoginisahaja "

<yoginisahaja> wrote:

>

> Dear Oleg savisky and sisters and brothers

> thank you deeply for help and advices, it help me greatly. I

> understand collective yoga is important as Mother says, I will try

> hard. I wont tell problems here, we are all brothers and sisters

in divine love, is important to protect sahaj and culture.

> I think dear brother jagbir wrote about 12 yogis before, i will

see messages here, maybe i understood wrong.

> Blessing to all of you,

> Jai Shree Mataji!!!

> your sister yogini

>

 

" jagbir singh " <www.adishakti.org

Fri Feb 4, 2005 10:51 am

I can't be in collective but you can be in Collective

Consciousness

 

Dear sister,

 

Shri Mataji did mention there are twelve types of SYs. Ask any SY

who has heard the tape and they will tell you it is true. Aunty

Lyndal, if you are reading this please confirm.

 

Shri Mataji did not specifically say what the categories were but it

should range between the great souls, good SYs, bad apples and ugly

ducklings. There is no such thing as we SYs are all the same.

Through experience i know most are very good, a few bad and a

handful ugly.

 

Just yesterday a SY told me how he lost a doctor devotee who had

brought a number of people into Sahaja Yoga. This physician quit

when he met some SYs in India. Apparently their behavior shocked him

and forced him to question his faith. In the end he left because he

could not reconcile with what he had experienced. (i find he made an

error because he should have realized that Shri Mataji is not

responsible for the actions of SYs as they have all freedom to do as

they wish.) Not only that but he has ever since told his bad

experiences to others, including new SYs who faith is shaken and

these people may slowly cease meditating.

 

So i do not want you to stay to the point of disgust, and may leave

forever. So do not listen to SYs who are not in your shoes and

induce more fear and guilt by subtle system talk. Since they are so

involved with the subtle system they seem to understand things only

in terms of chakras. (That is one of the reasons i left because i

could not take all this constant chatter of catches and cures.)

 

You may stay away from the collective and continue meditating alone

if you find SYs give you problems, or that the atmosphere is not

conducive to progress. But please do not stay for the sake of the

collective, only to leave in revulsion when you cannot take it

anymore. Do not reach this point of no return. Shri Mataji wants us

to be in Collective Consciousness and not local collective

consciousness. Please understand this very important fact that many

SYs are ignorant of.

 

Sure there are many benefits of staying in the collective but

leaving it does not mean the end. In fact there are some SYs who

have advanced themselves because they are not retarded by the fear

and guilt-ridden, catch conscious nature of collectives.

 

i assure you that the journey is within yourself and the Shakti

resides in your Sahasrara. One day when Shri Mataji leaves SYs will

be forced to meditate on Her within. So leaving the collective will

not diminish your progress, provided you are strong and have great

faith in Shri Mataji.

 

You should take comfort that i have left the collective years ago

when it became unbearable for me to continue. Even my wife could not

stand all that constant chatter of catches and cures that made her

fear and guilty of so many things. Today she is glad that she left

and began meditating at home. We do not have the fears that many SYs

project on you in the collective. Leaving the collective has been

really beneficial as we are now our own gurus. No outsider can shake

our faith and trust in the Adi Shakti, nor any SY make us feel

fearful or guilty.

 

So weigh your options before making a decision. If you do leave

please occasionally return to the collective to recharge your

batteries. Perhaps that may also teach others a lesson. Anyway, we

are a still collective at this forum and can draw upon it for

strength and guidance. For all i know it will help you establish a

deep and unbreakable bond with Shri Mataji because in this

collective garden we weed out ignorance. You should know this forum

and websites have brought back SYs on the verge of leaving because

they are able to understand things better, and have a venue to

present their grievances or doubts that will be heard and, most

importantly, answered. Maybe you can't be in collective but you can

definitely be in Collective Consciousness.

 

So please do not feel guilty about expressing your views as SYs have

this habit of sweeping problems under the carpet and sanitizing

Sahaja Yoga. This has resulted in problems festering for years. i

believe that prevention is better than cure. And we can only prevent

problems by acknowledging them first. Please feel free to express

your doubts, problems and concerns so that we can all learn from

them. It is a win-win situation no matter what others say. By

keeping silent you will only protect those who keep you in

ignorance, fear and guilt. You said that " So much things I dont

understand, like gateways and not allowed information, even see

photos of Mother which I would like to print and keep in my place. "

Why protect those who cannot give you knoweldge and keep information

secret? Why protect idiots who do not even allow you to see photos

of Shri Mataji?

 

But maybe you are wondering why you are not allowed to even see Shri

Mataji's photos. Let you tell you why through my expereince.

 

A few years ago i went to the Toronto ashram because Shri Mataji was

coming there for a public program. As i was walking around and

admiring the rooms i came across hundreds of Shri Mataji's photos

strewn on a bed. Apparently other SYs have been looking at them for

a day or two. So naturally i was attracted and begun looking at them

with joy and love in my heart - they were so many pretty ones that i

had never seen before.

 

Then a senior SY passed by, stopped and came into the room. He told

me i was not to touch the photographs even though others had. It did

not take much intelligence to realize that being a member of a

possessed family with demonic children, i had no right to even look

at Shri Mataji's photographs.

 

In the end it was necessary for my whole family to leave and

meditate alone. At least we are still devoted to Her and feeling so

much better in mind, body and soul.

 

So who wants to stay in Sahaja Yoga when some SYs give you so many

reasons to leave? We left in order to remain Her devotees.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

, " veni_grig "

<veni_grig wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet and all,

>

> First of all sisterly thanks for your warmth and sincerity!

> Collectivity is essential for all of us as SYogis, and it is a

great

> essential idea to comprehend it as it is, in order not to feel

hurt…

> by some SYogis or SY groups/communities. On the other hand, once

we

> realize what real collectivity is, we can grow spiritually faster,

> please our Divine Mother and Father, and contribute to saving of

the

> world from the destruction of the human ego.

>

> It happened so that my practicing of SY started through Internet.

For

> almost 7 months it was meditation, SY education, group meditations

on

> Internet. Australian SY websites were my favourite and they helped

> me to learn a lot about SY itself. Mother SM was my beloved Guru

and

> YouTube excerpts of Her talks were a source of Divine Nectar for me.

> My Kundalini and my Self Spirit were bringing me joy and peace

during

> the meditations. My Spirit was pulsating in the heart;

> Paramchaitanya was flowing downwards from Sahasrara. My prayers

were

> focused on complete union with and devotion to The Divne. For me

> union with The Divine was union of the individual consciousness

with

> the Universal consciousness. Collectivity seemed to me to be a

state

> of our spiritual growth in which our awakened Self-Spirit becomes

one

> with the Divine Spirit (Divine Collective).

> After I came across a SY statement on Internet that the SY groups,

> meditating together, are called collectives, it created an

impression

> in me that all SY practitioners have achieved the stage of

> collectivity of their Self-Spirits. This is the major reason which

> pushed me to start attending the group meditations in the city, in

> order to be one with them even in the physical dimension. First

> group meditations, however, did not bring me satisfaction in the

name

> of the Spirit. Next another story added to my first impression.

> The leader and his wife approached me and asked me to become a

Rakhi

> sister of the leader, what, they stressed on, is very important in

> SYoga. No more details were revealed to me. Lack of clarity of

this

> request made me start a search to comprehend the meaning of this

> relation. After one conversation, about the Rakhi brother-sister

> relation, between me and an old SYogi, that was witnessed by the

> leader's wife, a war exploded against me. Something in the

> explanation of the Rakhi brother-sister relation of the old SYogi

did

> bother her. It was a hell after that. She spoiled my reputation

in

> the SY community, talking nonsense against me. A havan was held

> against me. So much negativism was sent to me. This

> particular " " " collective " " " looked to me as a black magic sect

having

> nothing to do with pure divine love what SYoga is all about.

> Sure, I had to distance myself from it.

>

> I continued asking The Divine to emit through me only pure divine

> love to them, and to help them grow spiritually.

> Continuing again my SY meditations on Internet started bringing me

> the peace and joy I had before joining this " " " collective " " " .

> Your postings about solitude just support my experiences of

> individual meditation in solitude and spiritual growth.

> Hopefully soon many of the SYogis will join the Real Collective of

> the Lord.

>

> On the other hand these sad experiences motivated me to focus only

on

> The Divine, on the Spirit, on vibrations. It helped me to stress

on

> the pure desires to become one with The Divine and to rise above

Maya

> consciously.

> Hence SYoga is a spontaneous union with The Divine by the divine

> grace, I (as a human being) surrendered to The Divine Lotus Feet in

> the sweet lotus of Sahasrara. Realizing my role as an instrument

of

> The Divine, I let The Divine Mother to work out everything.

> To be continued.

>

> JSM,

> Veni

>