The correct foundations and ideals of a SY - Part 1

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Dear All,

 

Here is Part 1 of what Shri Mataji said regarding the correct foundations and

ideals of a SY. But first, Shri Mataji warns about the Mantrikas and

Tantrikas----so to be informed, is to be forewarned, as you shall see in Part 1.

 

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The correct foundation and ideals of a SY - Part 1

 

Question: " What are the curing powers coming from the supraconscious as there

are so many people who are curing other people with supraconscious power and

what is the difference between this curing power and curing power of the

Kundalini? "

 

Shri Mataji: There can be two types of curing power. One [type] could be those

who get the power of the collective subconscious and [another type], those who

get the power of the collective supraconscious. Both can cure, depending on

where the problem is. For example, a person with the power of the collective

subconscious, can cure problems of the left side and a supraconscious person,

can cure the physical side.

 

We have two types of people in India known as 'Mantrikas' and 'Tantrikas'. The

Mantrikas are those people who go to the funerals and cemeteries and try to

capture the dead spirits. These dead spirits are of the sly type, the so-called

'social workers' or 'busy-bodies', trying to help others. They are in the

category of Chaturvarnas or Vishudhras, the people who believe in serving

others. They appear to be good people, because they want to serve other people

and help others, and that is why they do not want to die, but want to stay

around the earth plane. One could call this a 'servant class'; they are

absolutely servile. They like to be whipped, beaten up and be ill-treated. There

are another extreme who enjoy a horrid type of existence - they are masochists.

 

All such [types of] dead people are around us, and they are left-sided bhoots,

i.e., very timid and clinging. The Mantrikas get hold of such dead people

['social workers' and 'busy-bodies'] and tell them to do this work, or that

work, control this, or go there, and these bhoots feel very happy about it, as

they are servile. So, if there is someone suffering from a mental problem, for

example, [and] someone of his [relations] has died, then he gets a mental

push-back into the collective subconscious, and gets possessed.

 

Such people go to the Mantrikas, and these Mantrikas tell the dead spirits that:

" you have been troubling this man for a long time and you leave this man! " So

they remove this dead spirit, and put another dead spirit in its place, and tell

the first dead spirit that he can get another body to go to.

 

These 'Mantrikas' are the mediators or liaison officers: they catch hold of

these spirits and remove them from one man, and put them onto some other person.

So the first person is 'cured'. For example, there was a lady whose husband used

to drink quite a lot. She went to one of the lady Mantrikas, who said she will

cure her husband, but the lady must pay Rs 100 for that. So she put a dead

spirit on this man by which the 'bhoot' of the drunkard on him was removed. So,

this man gave up drinking, but he started going to races. Then she solved that

problem, by removing the " 'races' bhoot " , and put another one by which he

started going to dirty women.

 

Now, this lady got frightened. Every time she would pay Rs 100, and had ended up

by paying a lot of money. Then she complained to the lady Mantrika about it.

After that, she found that her husband was doing all three things, together. So

she went to fight with that lady Mantrika, who put a bhoot on her too.

 

Since then, that woman is still mad and I have not been able to cure her. She is

a very good looking woman married to a very rich man who owns a factory, and

this is the life both of them are leading, i.e., burning the candle on both

ends. This is the case of the 'subconscious' people.

 

The second case is of the people of 'supraconscious' type. For example, " Dr.

Lambs International Curative Centre " . " International bhoots " he had!........ You

have to write to them that you are suffering from such and such disease. All the

dead supraconscious people, the very ambitious type, i.e., all the 'great'

doctors, all the 'great' lawyers, all the 'great' scientists, all the 'great'

engineers and architects, Hitler and all such 'great' warriors, gather on the

right hand side.

 

When Dr. Lamb died, he met all his friends there, and he could communicate with

them, because these doctors did not want to die, as they had been experimenting

with this or that. So they started " Dr. Lamb's Clinic " . Now, this Dr. Lamb who

died, lived in London and had a son. Dr. Lamb's spirit, attacked an ordinary

soldier in Vietnam, and told him that he was Dr. Lamb from London, and that he

better go to his son, and tell him that: 'you want to start such a clinic'.

 

He didn't attack his son, as he knew that his son would not be able to bear him,

as the son was not healthy. He wanted a very healthy and sturdy man, whom he

could possess. So, the soldier went to his son and said that: " your father is

within me and he wants to open a clinic " .

 

The son would not believe it. So, the soldier went into a trance and told him

that: 'I have got some money in a secret place kept for you', and he had talked

in secret about it. So the son believed and started the clinic for him. He gave

all that money for the clinic, and all the 'Bhoot doctors' were helping this man

to act, whenever he wanted [to], and an intercommunication was established on

that level, i.e., the 'collective supraconscious'.

 

A lady who was suffering from high blood pressure, kidney and uterus problems

went to them. They told her to write a letter to the Centre in London who wrote

back that on this particular day, at this particular time we will appear within

you and cure you but you must lie down in your bed. On that particular day and

at that particular time she started shivering and one of the 'dead doctors'

entered into her and she got cured.

 

For one year, she was alright. But then she started feeling very dizzy. When she

came to me she was in a tattered condition, absolutely finished! She knew that a

spirit had come in her, at the time she came to see me. She said, and knew, that

there were at least ten or eleven within her, and she could not bear them. So,

this kind of curing also can take place, from the supraconscious.

 

Supposing there is an architect, and he approaches such people: he can get the

spirit of a dead architect upon himself. Now, this Jack the Ripper, was

possessed of the spirit of a 'dead' ripper; one has to have an inclination for

such things [for this to happen to them]. This weakness is there within such

people; that is why they are easily possessed. Otherwise, it does not happen.

Only if you are weak in mind, and have weaknesses for such things, then these

dead spirits can catch hold of you....... if it has something to do with your

physical side, then the supraconscious can help you. If it has something to do

with your mental side, then the subconscious people can help you. But they help

you very temporarily, and then come back with a big foursome.

 

But, Sahaja Yoga makes you so powerful and so pure that impurities just fall

out. It is a cleansing force. It is a very different thing, where your intention

is not to cure, but as a by-product, people get cured.

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Formal Talk: 'Subconscious, Supraconscious,

and our correct Foundations and Ideals'

Chelsham Road, London, England

24 May, 1981