Regarding some anti-Christs in charge of the Christian religion....

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Dear All,

 

Here is what Shri Mataji told Sahaja Yogis on Christmas Day in 1993.

 

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Regarding some anti-Christs in charge of the Christian religion....

 

Today, we are going to celebrate the birth of Christ. At a very crucial time we

are doing that because there are some anti-Christs who have become in charge of

the Christian religion and are talking against the birth of Christ. They have no

authority. They are not realized souls. They have no idea of the Divine,

nothing. And they are saying that it is all falsehood, that She was not a

virgin, and that Christ was not born that way. Who told them? Did Gabriel come

and told them? What right they have got to talk these things? So because they

are anti-Christ, now they have become in charge of Christianity. Even Pope is

like that. So in Satya Yuga they'll be all exposed. Have to be exposed. But some

people who are here can write to this man to say what is your authority to say.

Have you felt the all-pervading power of God's love? Have you any Divinity in

you to challenge Christ like that? There must be some incarnations of Paul

perhaps. They cannot understand Divine. They don't know what Divine can be. They

have no idea at all how miraculous it is. You all have felt the blessings of the

Divine. You all know that it is a miracle. Every time there is a miracle

produced. I will narrate one simple example. In the Navaratri Puja we had some

photographs, and behind the photograph some kind of a scene came which I was

wondering what it was supposed to be. The scene was that the Surya was moving a

curtain. There were eyes for the Surya, mouth, nose, and he was smiling and

moving a curtain like that. I said what is this? What is this indicating in the

Navaratri puja. But when I went to Moscow, I was surprised that they had painted

the background just like this, exactly like this, there was the background. So

Navaratri puja which took at least one and a half months before, the

Paramchaitanya built it there. It's very remarkable, how things work out

miraculously. And there are thousand and one miracles you can talk about. When

we were in the aeroplane going to Moscow, they said the temperature is minus

twenty. We got down they said it is minus fifty. Next morning they said it is

coming down very fast, is touching about minus twelve. And afternoon, they said

it is minus four. But next day it was plus ten. I mean, as the time passes, it

has to be cooler and cooler. This time my husband was going to Moscow, he says

very cold there, now minus twenty. He sent word that... I said, don't worry,

that we'll put it right. He said when he arrived it was only minus two. So all

these things show that all the elements are helping us. All the other problems,

minor, big, anything get solved. In no time. You are sometimes amazed how things

get done. So, then they question then why Christ had to be crucified. Why could

you not save Him from crucifixion. He was crucified because that was to be done

in His case, that He had to pass through agnya. He had to establish Himself in

agnya, and the cross, He had to pass through that. So the message of His life is

never the cross, but the message is His resurrection. He resurrected, that was

one of the things He did very great, so that now you can be resurrected also.

 

In every incarnation in the evolution, every incarnation did something very very

unique. At the end of it Christ did the resurrection part, and He did it because

He had to die. Otherwise how can you resurrect yourself? So there are lots of

things which look mythical which are not. Tomorrow they'll say that Christ never

resurrected Himself. And actually, he died later on in Kashmir. There's a proof

of it. But still the people don't want to believe. And they just wanted to

spread Christianity. Because they know that if you have majority of people then

they can rule. The same trick now is tried by politicians. But this kind of a

majority is not going to bring any solace or any benevolence for people.

Christ's Mother Herself has been challenged by this man, and said all kinds of

nonsense about Her. On the contrary, Mohammed-Sahib in Koran says, nobody should

challenge the chastity of the Holy Mother, of Christ's Mother. He has respected.

Why there's no respect shown to Mother Mary in the Bible. No respect. She's

called a 'woman.' Because of Paul, who was a horrible anti-Christ, who came

over, who took over Christianity, tried to spread Christianity, and with that

what he wanted to put his own importance, and he used Peter who was the worst

possible disciple of Christ, whom Christ had told that Satan will take you over.

So now they are telling people that it's impossible, that how can it be that

Christ was born to a virgin. We Indians worship Shri Ganesh. Shri Ganesh is the

same as Christ. And we believe that the Mother Herself created the child,

without... as a virgin, as a Gauri. Not only believe, but we, it's our faith.

While the faith in the West is all rationality. They go on thinking like that,

and they go on producing yarn of falsehood. What was the need for newspapers to

publish this nonsense of this Durham fellow. And then he was honoured. Honoured

by the archbishop of Canterbury, who is another anti-Christ. He honoured him,

and just after that, that church where he was honoured was completely burned by

Vishnumaya. She was looming round it for one hour, and then She burnt it

completely. Only the lower portion was left, because they were also very

beautiful paintings, maybe. Now the stupid fools are saying that it is God's

grace on us that they saved us from this Vishnumaya, the lower portion. But why

did it burn? So you have to understand that rationality can never make you

understand Divinity. Can never. It is so limited, so conditioned, full of ego,

how can the rationality tell you what is the truth about Christ's life. But we

have proved also, scientifically, so you must be knowing that I told them that

if you see from right to the left, you see the swastika, because of carbon, the

way it is made. If you see a carbon atom, you see the swastika from left to

right. We have made a big model out of it. And then you put it in other way,

means you see it from left to the right, then you see omkara, no doubt. And then

you see from down below, you say alpha and omega. Christ has said it, that I am

the alpha and omega. At that time I didn't know if these symbols were there or

not. Whatever it is, He did say I am the alpha and the omega. Also it has

another meaning, that I am the beginning and the end. But alpha and omega, the

way He said it, you can see it clearly, symbolically, clearly, if you see it

from down upward. So the omkara on one side, swastika on another side, joined

together, when they ascend and incarnate they become alpha and omega. But all

this doesn't go into the heads of these anti-Christs. They are all anti-Christs.

And they cannot understand what Divinity can do. You got your realization,

second-birth, just sitting here. How did you manage? How did you get your

second-birth? And the way these people talk is definitely for their doom, for

their complete destruction. Is too much of daring. As you know that Shri Ganesha

is a very powerful deity. Same Christ. He has said that if you say anything

against the Holy Ghost I will not tolerate. And also against Christ I will not

tolerate, a word even. Only on that point I'll have to see to it that all these

horrible people will be destroyed completely. On this occasion of His birthday

we have to realize that Christ was born from the same things as Shri Ganesh. So

He was wisdom, source of wisdom. He said few things because they didn't allow

Him to live long, at the most three, three and a half years He could lecture to

people. But whatever He said is so truthful, so correct, and so wise. Of course

they might have tried to dabble with that, but still lots of truths are left in

the Bible, no doubt about it. And His lifetime, He spend in just telling them

what is the truth. He's the first one who talked so clearly about God. On His

level, we have three other people in the area of tapa, which is here. One is

Buddha, another is Mahavira. Now both Buddha and Mahavira were born at a time

when they saw that ritualism is taking place [instead of] the reality. So they

said we'll not talk of God - anisharwad. We'll not talk of God. First we'll only

talk about the Chaitanya. That everybody did. Even the Guru of Janaka, who was

Ashtavakra, only talked about the vibrations. Even Nanaka did that. When

Namadeva went down to Punjab. He told Him don't talk about God, don't talk about

Hari. Better talk about paramachaitanya first of all because one can reach the

paramachaitanya to begin with and then they will say, where is God after all.

It's only Christ who talked about God at that time when it was more that they

didn't want to talk about God Almighty. He was a daring person, where never

afraid of anything, no doubt. But His childhood has not been described anywhere,

which is very sad. We have got the beautiful description of Shri Krishna's

childhood, and Shri Rama's childhood. Except that once He was in argument with

some Pharisees, and how clever He was and they were all flabbergasted at His

discretion. That's all. Nothing more. But later on, though they had shown no

regard for Mary, the people couldn't help it. They said it has to be some Devi,

some Goddess, how can Christ take birth from Her. So they named Her Madonna. And

that's how this Mother Mary was called as Madonna. Means maiden. Means virgin.

And this Madonna was then started occupying the place of Her churches

everywhere, and people regarded Her as a goddess. It is the people who said. Not

in the Bible, not in the Christianity. But the people started calling Her

Madonna, and from that Madonna level that people started seeing the Mother, and

the motherhood. She was the Mahalakshmi. We know that very well, and we worship

Her as Mahalakshmi. She was Radha. Radha also had a son, and He was like an egg.

And a half of the egg was Christ and half of the egg was Shri Ganesh. But when

this child was born, He started crying for His Father. Father was Shri Krishna.

It's in the, if we read Devi Mahatmyam it is there. So always He puts His hands

like this, towards His Father. So one is, as you know, is Shri Krishna's finger,

another is Vishnu's. And She was Ra-Dha. Ra means energy, dha means the one who

has sustained the energy. And She is the one who called Him Jesus. Actually in

the Hebrew, it is Yesu. And also in the, thank God I read the Bible in Marathi,

which was directly translated from Hebrew, Yesu is the name. Yesu is the name of

the Mother of Christ, Mother of Shri Krishna, Yesu. Means, as we call Her, Jesu

or Yesu from Jeshoda or Yashoda. From that She called Him. And Christ word comes

from Krishna. So She called Him Krist, and Yesu, or Jesus. We too call Yashoda

sometimes Jesu or Yesu. So She called Him by that name, and that is how She put

the link for us to understand how close He was to Shri Krishna.

 

Shri Krishna came only, incarnated only in India. Because He would have been too

lenient a person to be incarnated in America. As it is, they have no

limitations, they have no maryadas, they have no idea of dharma, they are very

great adharmies. So only a person like Christ, who is absolutely pure, wise, and

does not believe in the leela part of Shri Krishna. Shri Krishna said that this

is all leela, to overcome the strictness of Shri Rama. But Christ did not say

so. And despite that, all over wherever Christianity is practised, they think

it's all leela, adharma is leela. Whatever wrong we do is leela, after all, all

innocent. Is surprising. Their logic is so funny, I have never been able to

understand their logic. All self-destructive nonsensical logic they have. So,

for us Indians, we should know that we have full idea of dharma. We know what is

wrong and what is good. But more credit I would give to Christians who are from

such countries where they have no idea of kundalini, have come up so much, and

have become such great Sahaja Yogis. Now is the blessing of God. Because they

were genuine, they are sincere, it is Christ who brought them to Sahaja Yoga.

Without Him it would not have been possible. Here Shri Ganesha is just a symbol

sort of a thing. He resides in the stones. But there He incarnated, and He told

people what is dharma is, which they are supposed to follow, but they never

follow, they never follow. They are extremely money-oriented people. Is very

surprising what things they have done in the name of God. The most symbolic

thing is His birth. He was born in a manger. Just imagine, in a manger. Full of

straws assembled together, this child was born, where there were other animals

used to be. See the way this great incarnation took birth. He was not king, he

was not a big rich man. He was born as a very poor person, and in a place which

is something very much below the human standard. This message is that you don't

need palaces, you don't need huge places to be born. You can be born anywhere if

you are a pure spirit, if you are Christ. Such a great personality was born like

that. Now the other way around, people go. They are extremely money-oriented,

very materialistic, I mean to such a limit that you cannot understand what are

they up to. They are destroying themselves with whatever money they have made,

they have no sense, they have no proportion. This is what is happening in the

West. And we are trying to follow them. We are trying to follow their

destructive methods and we are trying to think that we are very advanced.

Advanced towards doom. That's what they are. We have to be very careful with our

children, with our relations, that we don't go to their dirty things and take to

their dirty ways which they have created in the name of God. In the name of God.

Now this group that we have here is quite a large group and we are Sahaja Yogis,

we are all blessed people, we know what is Divinity is, and we know what Christ

is. Whether you are born a Hindu or anything makes no difference because Christ

is universal. He is the support of the universe. That is what is written in Devi

Mahatmyam. He will be the support of the universe. So one has to understand that

we should never ridicule anybody if he is following Christ, and that we should

worship Him with the same affection, with the same devotion, with the same

surrendering as we worship Shri Ganesh. Because I don't think Christians have

any faith about Christ. No faith. They are, we believe in Christ, we believe in

Christ, cure my father, do this, do that. But a Sahaja Yogi's faith works. Your

faith is enlightened faith, and it works. But you must have faith in yourself.

In Sahaja Yoga. And in the life you are leading. Unless and until this happens

to you, you shouldn't call yourself a Sahaja Yogi. I see still there are people

on the periphery. Then you don't know what to do about it. You don't understand

in a mental way, but you just float into the immense love of God, and you want

to give this love to others. But still materialism becomes subtler with some

people. They are still materialistic. They are materialistic in the sense they

still think of earning in a bad way some money or something. Maybe that is not

so common, but I feel they are now suddenly started getting attached to their

children. This attachment is very wrong. You see, children belong to Sahaja

Yoga. You have no right on them. Because they straight away want their children

to come back home, and not to come to Ganapatipule. They are the children of

Sahaja Yoga. They have to come to Ganapatipule, no question. But they wanted to

take away their children directly. Everything there is directly done. Is not,

children are not here for that. They are here to grow in Sahaja Yoga. If you

don't want your children to grow in Sahaja Yoga, take them away. But this is not

the way to behave arbitrarily, to take the children away from the school when

everyone is coming to Ganapatipule. And I'm sure children don't like it. They

would love to be here. So the materialism in the sense of children, also saving

money part is working out. And this is something shows the materialism which

Christ never, never clung to. He never wanted it. This one we have to

understand. To pay respect to Christ, the best thing is to get out of these

materialistic ideas. Alright, you have materialistic ideas as far as, I don't

say that you go to Himalayas, I don't say that you practice asceticism, I don't

say take away, give up your children like Buddha did it, nothing of the kind.

But your detachment should work. Let's say a bird is there flying over the ocean

of water. It will never drink the water of the ocean because it is saltish. You

are there. You are in this world, but you must develop your detachment. In the

beginning it was alright, my father is sick, my mother is sick, my child is like

this, but not now. Now the speed of Sahaja Yoga is very fast, and those who will

be left behind will be left behind. So be careful. Do not get entangled into

these materialistic ideas. And for Indians especially, they don't like to stay

in ashrams. Indians want to have their homes so that can dominate their wives,

have their special type of food, this, that, and work out all their ugly tastes

all the time. I would say that must be the reason people said that Indians must

fast, to get rid of their tongues' desires. They will even fast, think about

food. What's the use? Christ fasted for forty days, and Satan asked Him that You

should give up Your fast, and do this and do that. He never listened. So

materialism works out in two types. First of all in the West now is the

materialism, my house, my wife, my children, this, that. And in the East is what

sort of a food I eat, what sort of a house I should have, what sort of a family

I should have. All these things are still lingering as your ascent is becoming

subtler, they are also becoming subtler and subtler, and they are holding you

back. They are all kinds of things, for example I know of Sahaja Yogis who want

to make business out of Sahaja Yoga. There are. Like these people here outside,

they want to sell their things to us and to make money out of us. There was a

demand that there were no saris. I said alright, take saris. But you are not to

buy from outside. Also they will go to some shop here and have something to

drink or something to eat and then suffer from something. What is the need? Can

you not control your thirst? Can you not control your appetite? It's very easy.

Did He not do it? Christ did it. You have come here to worship Him. Try to

control these things, are very important, and once it happens it doesn't matter

if you get food, doesn't matter if you don't get some good place to live in. You

can live anywhere. Anywhere. As far as I'm concerned you know that very well. I

have no demands, I have, I mean my body doesn't demand anything. It's such a

good body, it never demands, and that's why I've seen that I never feel tired.

I'm here with you, and in the same way I'm anywhere. If you make me sleep here,

I can sleep the whole night. My body never says anything. On the contrary, I

have seen the experience is very different. Once I travelled by train, I think

from Poona to Hyderabad, and the train, I was on the wheel, and the thing was

jumpy, jumpy, jumpy all the time. I slept off, and what I was thinking, I was

feeling that I'm going from one star to another star. Moving from the whole

universe. I never felt the jump. I felt the other way around, that the whole

thing is going, the body is moving from this star to that star, from here to

there. I mean somebody would be absolutely angry for a thing like that. On the

contrary, I was enjoying jumping from here to there and going from this star to

that star, moving from one place to another. It was very interesting. So the

reaction is very different. Reaction is different. If they said crisis, suddenly

I become thoughtless, completely thoughtless, and a kind of a tremendous peace

starts pouring out of Me, and there's a crisis. And this is what you all can

achieve very simply if you all get detached. See, I have children, I have

grandchildren. I never telephone to them. I'm not bothered. If they telephone

well and good. I never telephone to My husband also. I always think that it's a

waste of time, of telephoning here, telephoning there. I have got all telephones

within Myself, I know everybody's alright, so why to telephone. But unless and

until you develop that kind of status it won't be. Then another thing I have

noticed about Sahaja Yogis, that they become suddenly very violent, and there

were reports that some people were hit. That's not being a Sahaja Yogi. I have

not raised My hand against even My own children. Is not allowed. Nobody has to

raise the hand or touch somebody's hand to be violent. Is absolutely, such a

person will fall very deep down into Sahaja Yoga without doing anything. You are

not to get angry, you are not to shout. Nothing of the kind is going to help

you. You have to be absolutely peaceful, calm, compassionate. If there is a

wrong type of a man, just tell Me, I'll manage. You don't have to handle such

situations and misbehave. Because you are still attached, and that attachment

will pull you down. So be careful not to be angry. Look at Christ. He was angry

with the people who were selling things near the church. That time it was not

the church but they called it the tabernacle. And He was very angry that in the

temple of God, these people are selling things outside. And He took a big hunter

and hit them hard, but He was Christ. At the same time, when He was crucified,

He said, O God, My Father, please forgive them because they don't know what they

are doing. This is what is, one has to understand from Him, His character. How

forgiving, how loving He was. How He looked after the people. How He helped

people for their emancipation. In those days of complete chaos and anarchy, He

stood up and talked about truth and about such things like spirit, like ascent.

I mean, they were all blind people. They didn't know what it was He was talking.

And He talked about it. There's lot of myths that exist in the Bible, and one of

them is that when the resurrection time will come, your bodies will come out of

your graves. It is not only in Christianity, but also with the Muslims, and also

for the Jews. Now think of it, after so many years, what remains in the graves.

Few bones. And these few bones, if they come out, how can you give them

realization? Think about it. It's a big myth. One should understand logically,

it's not proper. So, what is the thing? I must say " Nal Damayanti akhyan, " in

the Indian philosophy they have given a clear cut idea that when this Kali Yuga

will come so many great seekers who are seeking God in the hills and dales,

mountains, will be born again and they will be given their self-realization.

Their kundalini will be awakened. This is what is said, and that seems to be a

very logical thing because we are doing that. And today's population growth is

because so many have taken birth. I don't know how many will get their

self-realization, how many are going to get it. But those who have got it have

to establish themselves. Establish themselves. And there also, I find there's

some sort of a very subtle type of attachment with people. So for the time

being, I feel that you should all surrender yourselves to the qualities of

Christ which are immense qualities, and the greatest is that He cannot tolerate

anything against the Holy Ghost. That is the only time He's going to come out

and work it. I tell you that if you are a Sahaja Yogi and you misbehave He

allows you to some extent. There's one fellow in America, wanted to talk to Me

on the telephone and discuss about Sahaja Yoga. But he found Me bit too much for

him perhaps, and he started talking to Sahaja Yogis, and he didn't talk to Me.

And everybody was very angry. I said, forget it. The other day I received a

message that he was doing a program, same type, and he collapsed because he got

paralysis. So, he's not a Sahaja Yogi, I'm not responsible. But if somebody

calls Me a mother, the paramchaitanya respects that, and you have no business to

hit anybody, or to talk to anyone rudely in any manner, those who are Sahaja

Yogis. Of course, if you want to tell somebody off, there are ways how this

should be done like a Sahaja Yoga way and not like the violent things. It's very

very wrong, and I'm very upset to hear that people suddenly become violent even

now in Sahaja Yoga. This comes from liver I know. You can go in for liver

treatment, improve yourself, but don't think that you can get away with it. You

cannot. Is better such people fast for two days and punish themselves. Temper is

the worst thing. Shri Krishna has told that temper is the worst, from where

everything starts. So we must control our temper and understand that Christ was

the embodiment of forgiveness, embodiment. We are worshipping Him today. How He

forgave people. Those who crucified were not the Jews actually, they were the

Romans. The Roman authorities crucified Him. But Paul decided that we should try

to condemn the Jews so the Jews have done it. Jews have not done it, and they

condemned Jews forever. With this kind of an attitude, people hated Jews and

they troubled them and they were tortured. The Jews also had a reaction. They

are equally the same. So it is not the Jews, because is never done that you ask

the multitude, magistrate asks the multitude whether you should crucify a thief

or this man. Is never done. They have to take their own decisions. Is never

done. Just to bring a curse on the Jews, this Paul has done the greatest harm.

But now thank God we have many Jews and we have also a center in Israel working

out all over. We have lots of people from Iran who have come to America who are

also Jews and who are also Muslims, they all have taken to Sahaja Yoga. So it is

something that's happening, and also the Sufi people from Turkey I hear are

joining us, and also Sufi people from India, we'll be able to get them. So thus

it will work out, and it will work out for everybody's good. But first of all we

should understand how Christ was, and how His life was, and how He loved the

world. He came on this earth to be crucified. He knew He was to be crucified,

and He did it. The way they have given His picture is not correct. He was a very

healthy, hefty, tall person. He had to carry that cross. Those people who paint

Him like a TB patient should know that if they have to carry the cross, can they

do it? So all sorts of things they have done to harm His personality, to

assassinate His character. But you being Sahaja Yogis should know about Him and

must have full respect, full faith in Him, and He is your eldest brother. As

Shri Ganesha is, He incarnates as your elder brother, He is there to look after

you in every trouble, in every kind of turmoil. He is going to help us in every

way, all the time, and only way is to surrender, to forgive. That is the quality

of Christ we have to imbibe.

 

May God bless you all.

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Christmas Puja, Ganapatipule, India, 25 December, 1993