Chopra’s book_Importance of Shiva & Kundalini

[Guest guest]

JSM!

 

Hi Jagbir, Violet, and All,

 

Mother Shri Mataji says in one of Her talks from the 70-s that Shiva

has to marry Kundalini within SYogis, in order them to receive God's

Realization. Obviously this is what the Bible refers to the Bride

(Kundalini) and the Groom (Shiva). Can you post more of this

particular talk, please, which throws extra light on what we are

supposed to become. Once we start seeking our Divine Parents – Adi

Shakti and Sadashiva – in Sahasrara, we can definitely receive divine

blessings, with Their Divine Grace.

Shambhavi Chopra's book is amazing; it just supports all that pure

divine knowledge. Thanks for posting extracts out of it on the forum.

 

With unconditional love,

Veni

[Guest guest]

Dear Veni (and All),

 

Here are some excerpts from what Shri Mataji gave on Shiva, Adi Shakti,

Kundalini, Mother Earth and ourselves. i hope it helps to see the collective

inter-relationship more clearly.

 

kind regards,

 

violet

 

 

 

Today, we are going to do the Puja of Adi Shakti. It is a difficult subject to

talk about Adi Shakti because it's not easy to understand that Adi Shakti is the

power of Sadashiva. Sadashiva is the God Almighty. She is His breath, as some

people call it. Some say She is the desire and some say that She is the entire

power of Sadashiva and Sadashiva cannot do anything without Her powers. This

subject has been described by many people in various books in different ways.

But actually we need not go to the background of the creation of Adi Shakti. For

that, at least, you need seven lectures, but we will come to the point where Adi

Shakti started working on this Mother Earth.

 

The first thing is, we must know that She created a Kundalini in the Mother

Earth itself and She created Shri Ganesha out of the Mother Earth. It's very

interesting. So the Mother Earth becomes a very important thing for us. If we do

not know how to respect the Mother Earth, we do not know how to respect

ourselves. The expression of Adi Shakti within you is the Kundalini, no doubt,

that is the reflection of Adi Shakti in you. But the reflection in the Mother

Earth is also expressed, as you all know, in different places, different

countries, different cities, as the manifestation of chakras and Adi Shakti's

creations.

 

It was very important first to create a very holy Mother Earth for human beings

to be born on that. So, the reflection of the Adi Shakti as Kundalini first was

on the Mother Earth. Kundalini is, we should say, a wee part of the Adi Shakti,

or we can say that She is the desire, pure desire of the Adi Shakti. So Adi

Shakti is the desire, complete desire of Sadashiva--and Kundalini, Adi

Kundalini, is the desire, complete desire of Adi Shakti.

 

Now, this one was first expressed in the Mother Earth, inside the Mother Earth.

Inside the Mother Earth, the Kundalini came up, in such a way that it cooled

down the inner part of the Mother Earth as much as It could, and then it

manifested on the surface of the earth as different chakras. So, it is a

tremendous similarity that we have with Virata, the Mother Earth and the human

beings--if all of them are being reflected by the Adi Kundalini. So, there has

to be a great connection between them.

 

It is not understood by human beings how they are connected to this Mother

Earth. This Kundalini passed through different centres, creating different

centres in the Mother Earth and ultimately broke through Kailasha. And I don't

know how many have you been to Kailasha; you will see tremendous vibrations

flowing out of Kailasha.

 

Now, the way we insult our Mother Earth, what we are doing is we are insulting

the Adi Shakti. So many ways there are we should respect the Mother Earth. I

mean, it was an Indian custom to begin with, when you got up from your bed and

you touched the Mother Earth with your feet, you have to say: " Oh, Mother Earth,

please forgive me, because I'm touching you with my feet. "

 

All the movements of Mother Earth are controlled by this inner Kundalini which

is the reflection of Adi Shakti. The gravity that It has also, is the

manifestation of the Kundalini of the Mother Earth.

 

Now, why are we suffering on this beautiful planet? Because we do not respect

what we have to respect the most. Mother Earth is to be respected--meaning what?

Meaning that whatever is created on this earth by the movements of the earth, by

the sea, by all the elements, has to be respected.

 

Today's problem is pollution--all kinds of things people talk of. The reason

behind it [is that] people never understood the importance of all these five

elements which are supportive of our life. So to respect the Mother Earth,

people do Bhoomi Puja. Many people when they are building a house they will do

the Bhoomi Puja, means they will respect the Mother Earth.

 

Because if She is not being respected, may be there could be an earthquake.

Which means that this Mother Earth understands, knows and acts. It acts in such

a manner that human beings don't understand why such things happen.

 

Now we can say that in a place called Latur, it was Shri Ganesha's fourteenth

day and they had to submerge the statues into the sea or into the river, so they

went all out singing, dancing. After coming from there, they all started

drinking. And drinking is not liked by Mother Earth at all. If you are drunk and

you are walking on the road, you fall down. It so happened with that drinking

that a big earthquake broke in and all those who were dancing with drinking, all

of them were engulfed into that earthquake by Mother Earth.

 

Only our centre which is there was surrounded by a big gap but nothing happened

to our centre and not one single Sahaja Yogi was ruined by that. We can

understand, because we are Sahaja Yogis, how the Mother Earth has acted to save

those people who were Sahaja Yogis.

 

So the understanding of Mother Earth about saints is very great. She knows who

is a saint, She knows the feet of a saint and that’s why, you know, so many

things were created like Moses. He went to the sea and the Mother Earth came up

for them to walk through. If all the Jews had walked, it would not have worked,

but it was Moses and His saintliness that the Mother Earth Herself came up and

helped Him. In the same way, when Rama was building a big bridge between Lanka

and India, the Mother Earth came up as a bridge. So, we should not try to curse

the Mother Earth for any mishaps on this earth.

 

If people are saintly, they will be always protected by Mother Earth. She will

always try to give them whatever they want. You can see in the minute way, that

supposing now, in our Cabella, here, the roses are of such a big size, such a

big size roses, you won’t find such a big size in the whole world, but we have

here such big ones.

 

In Pratishstan, we had flowers of sunflower so big as that one man could not

lift it. Now, how is it? All this is happening in particular places. It’s the

Mother Earth who knows who is living here, who is walking on this, on Her back

we should say, or on Her soil because Mother Earth understands vibrations.

[break Quote]

 

Note: [Gerlinde, you have shown at GSM (Great Spirit Mother) that in the

Indigenous traditions, they are very strong about respecting the Mother Earth.

Given what Shri Mataji says, it can be seen that human destruction happens when

the Mother Earth is destroyed. There is a much more symbiotic connection there,

than human beings have known about. But the indigenous people know about it very

clearly!]

 

[Resume Quote]:

 

Now, certain places, we say that, are very holy. How have they discovered that

these places are holy? Because of magnetic forces. The magnetic forces in

England, I was surprised, were crossing each other at a place called Oxsted [1]

where we lived. They were crossing since long, but we lived there later on. So,

Mother Earth also organises and arranges things for saintly people. It’s very

interesting to see how the Mother Earth guides you in a proper way. I mean, I

don’t know how many instances I can give you, but we don’t understand the value

of the understanding of this Mother Earth and Her loving protection for all the

saints. In the same way, we have to understand how the whole atmosphere, the

rain comes in at the right time, the moon, the sun, everything works out in such

a beautiful manner, because they know it’s a saint, they know these are saintly

people here, sitting here. They know that they are pure people, that they are

the essence of life and they should be looked after, they should be cared for,

they should be bothered for.

 

It is not bothered about people who are of no use. For example now, for Hajj

[2], so many people went and so many were killed. Some went to Ambarnath [3] and

they were killed, because they were not saints, just ritualistic people going

for a ritual which in the discretion of the Mother Earth was of no avail and of

no advantage.

 

But nobody learns from this, nobody learns when so many people were going to,

say, Ambernath--[they] were killed. Pakistan said: " See, they should not have

gone to this Ambernath, it’s a false place. Why did they go there? And by going

there, what has proved is that it’s not a holy place. "

 

But when the Hajj thing took place, they had nothing to say, they did not know

how to explain this Hajj business and the dying of so many people. The reason is

this, that these people have been going to Hajj all the time--once, there was a

stampede with thirty two thousand people being injured and troubled and killed.

Now this is it: " Now, what is the Mother Earth suggesting? "

 

That going to these places, holy places, they are really holy, no doubt. Going

to these places, you are not doing any spiritual ascent, you are not achieving

anything by going to these places which are really holy, that cannot be

challenged, they are holy places.

 

You must be knowing that I was born in Chindwara and Mecca and Chindwara are on

the same Cancer line. How is it? What is [it] about Mecca?

 

Mecca is Maheshwara. It’s a Shiva. Why did Mohammed Sahib ask people to worship

a stone? He didn’t believe in stones. He was against all kinds of idol worship,

then why did He say this black stone which is there has to be worshiped? For

that people had to go there. What was the reason? Because He could feel the

vibration. He could feel that it’s a swayambhu. [4]

 

So He said it. So all the Muslims like mad are going there. By going there

nobody has improved. I have not seen anybody improved by going to Mecca. It’s

just a kind of a ritual. They think if they go there, when they will die

tomorrow, they will tell God: " See, now, we have a certificate, we have been to

Mecca. " Like our Pope, once upon a time used to give [a] certificate that when

you go to heaven, you can show the certificate that now you are a real

Christian. In this way, all these artificial things came up.

 

But there is reality behind it. The difference is, the reality is, [that it is]

for the real people and not for the false people. But this ritualism has grown

too much. Like in India, we have many swayambus created by the Kundalini, again

I would say, and which are really worshipped. I have been to most of them and I

was surprised that most of the pujaris [the people officiating the pujas] were

suffering from some sort of a serious disease--like one was a paralysed fellow.

 

He said: " We are serving this God here and You said this is swayambu, then,

Mother, how is it that we are suffering from this disease? " I said: " Because you

are just making money, you can’t make money out of God. If you don’t want to

serve God, you don’t stay here, but if you want to serve God, then you can stay

here, but don’t make money out of this. "

 

It’s very common, I have seen, those people who make money [out of God] get

paralysis, I have seen. It’s a very deep understanding, all these elements,

Mother Earth, everybody--has about everything, because their Kundalini is not

like your Kundalini which though in itself is pure--but because of your human

endeavours, human mistakes, ego, superego, all sorts of nonsense, the Kundalini

is not so sensitive, nor does it tell you what is happening.

 

It [the Kundalini] has to be very alert - [a] sensitive spirituality within you,

by which you can say immediately what you think, what you know, what you

understand about anything. But the problem is that this doesn’t exist. Why is

it, you should not be so sensitive? On the contrary, I’ve seen if their mind

works against somebody, then they start saying: " You are catching on this, you

are catching on that, you are catching on that " . Actually, the person who is

saying that, is catching.

 

So, with this thing, one has to understand that if we are the true reflection of

Adi Shakti, then we should be pure--absolutely pure--like the white snow. Even

one black drop--that’s why I wore today the white sari [if it] falls on the

white, it shows. You should be so white that anything, any minute black spot

also, should be seen by you and in others also, to be felt by you.

 

If that height is achieved by pure life, by pure thinking, by pure heart, it is

not necessary to manipulate anything--no, no, no need at all! It’s all natural

like the Mother Earth is. Does she manipulate anything? Nothing! Just see how

spontaneous she is. You put a seed in the Mother Earth and see how it sprouts.

She is so spontaneous, her activity is so spontaneous. We never wonder about it.

See different types of flowers, different types of fragrance, different types of

shrubs and trees, how She grows with such balance in every place! In every

minute atom and molecule of that Mother Earth there is sense!

 

So, before us is the best reflection of the Adi Shakti and that is this Mother

Earth. So first we must respect the Mother Earth.

 

I like you people because you are sitting on the ground; it’s very good! for

meditation if you can sit on the Mother Earth, it will be extremely good,

because the special quality of the Mother Earth, which also I have,

unfortunately, that I suck your problems--She, too, sucks your problems and when

she sucks your problems you get rid of them without any difficulties.

 

So if you cannot, say, sit on the ground, then you take a stone, better is or

you can have a marble or something which is natural on which you should try to

sit. But if you sit on the plastic and do your meditation, I don’t know what is

going to help you, the plastic?

 

That’s why I request you always that [you] use natural things because natural

things can absorb your problems very well. Unnaturally, also, we live otherwise,

you see, it is on the physical line, also on the mental line.

 

On the mental line, what do we do, [is] that we go on arguing, explaining, it’s

going on and on, and on and on. There is no end to it.

 

One should actually get headache, you see, with all that. But if you are

spontaneous, if you are very spontaneous, immediately you will know what the

other fellow is trying to do or to say or to communicate. You don’t need much

thinking about it, because you can absorb even the thought of another person.

Absorb doesn’t mean that you take the bad thing of that person but it’s like a

sieving out, you absorb what the other person is saying and you sieve it out.

 

Now, the problem of this Adi Shakti is this: that I decided that I will have all

of you enter into My body, absorb all of you. It is a very dangerous game, I

know, but I did play. Because I’m supposed to do at this stage of time that I

should absorb you all in My body. So with you all, your problems have also gone

into Me, all your troubles also have gone into Me, but by absorbing it, see, it

is like [an] Ocean, into which you are put, and you are cleansed.

 

But, what about the ocean? Ocean has got still your problems and things

lingering and they are very troublesome. So the best thing would be for you to

cleanse yourself. Cleansing is very important through introspection. But [it]

doesn’t mean thinking, never means thinking, but introspection means meditation

and that you all should meditate.

 

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

 

 

Notes:

 

[1] Regarding Oxsted, apparently the Greenwich Meridian runs right through it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxted

 

[2] Regarding the Hajj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

 

[3] Regarding Ambarnath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambarnath

 

[4] Regarding Swayambus:

 

" We have many swayambus created by the Kundalini. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi,

Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

 

" Now, certain places, we say that they are very holy. How have they discovered

that these places are holy? Because of the magnetic forces. " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

 

" Mecca is Maheshwara. It’s a Shiva. Why did Mohammed Sahib ask people to worship

a stone? He didn’t believe in stones. He was against all kinds of idol worship.

Then, why did He say this black stone which is there, has to be worshiped? For

that, people had to go there. What was the reason? Because He could feel the

vibrations. He could feel that it's a swayambu. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi

Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

 

" In India we believe that God himself takes incarnations with his Vishnu

principle whenever there is the decline of righteousness and try to elevate.

Every incarnation has done a lot of work and have done also work within

ourselves. Now this is the knowledge we had in India, long time back, but when

they talked about incarnations people started worshipping them as some statues

or some sort of images which were sold in the market and were made by people who

had no right to do that. But it is described in the Puranas that we have got

some of the places where many...they have said that in many places in India and

all over the world the Mother Earth has created beautiful deities to tell the

world, to tell the people or to sort of tally with whatever described in those

olden books, and all these are called as 'swayambus', they are created by

themselves. Unless and until you are a realised soul you cannot make it out

whether these are real or not. You have to have vibrations to see that they emit

vibrations quite strongly; a stone starts emitting vibrations but it has a form,

it has a coefficient, so [that is] how this has been created. " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi, India Tour, Ganapatipule India, 07/01/90)

 

" All the movements of Mother Earth are controlled by this inner Kundalini which

is the reflection of Adi Shakti. The gravity that It has, also is the

manifestation of the Kundalini of the Mother Earth. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi,

Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

 

 

 

Supposing now, you meditate and you don’t spread Sahaja Yoga, you will never

ascend, because after all this Kundalini, you see, She is a sensible woman, She

is very sensible. She thinks: " Why should I make her a saint, what is the use? "

Sahaja Yoga is not individualistic. It’s not for one person to become a saint

and sit somewhere. It’s not like that. It’s not meant for one person, for

oneself, it’s not individualistic. It’s a collective happening. So, if you are

not helping to the collective, Kundalini says: " Alright, you are alright as it

is! " Just like our body: see in our body, if one organ says: " Alright, now I’m

alright, I’m not going to work out. " Or one cell says that: " I’m not going to

now grow, it’s alright, why should I worry about the whole body? " It won’t

[work]. It's a living--it’s a living organism! I have told you 100 times, when

it is a living organism, it has to grow, it has to grow and also to absorb. To

have energy, you have to meditate and you have to grow.

 

If you don’t grow, you are finished, you are no more a Sahaja Yogi. I wouldn’t

call a person a Sahaja Yogi who has not even given one person Realisation.

Cannot be a Sahaja Yogi! Sahaja Yogi has to give Realisation to others. Apart

from other activities, the main activity should be how we give realisations to

others. Unless and until we really look after that side of life, we can never,

never grow in Sahaja Yoga.

 

For example, now take My position, I’m alright, I’m complete, I have no problem.

But why did I work so hard and wanted so many Sahaja Yogis? Why? I don’t have to

grow either, I’m overgrown already. I don’t have to do it, but why? What is the

need? The need is like this, the need is of love. I have so much love that I

have to channelize it. If I don’t, I’ll suffocate. I can’t love Myself. So this

love has to spread. For that, I have to have you people who can take this love

to others and make them happy. This is a kind of a vision I have, and in this

special time, it was promised by many people, by many saints and it is so

obvious that you are all specially chosen for this kind of thing.

 

Now, how far you understand your importance is a different point. You do

[spiritual work] for your emancipation, alright you meditate, but if you are not

channelising the love, the Divine love, what is the use? Now, supposing I repair

something very nicely, I repair this machine nicely, put it right, everything

and I don’t speak, what is the use of having this?

 

In the same way, if you work very hard... I know people who get up at four

o’clock, have their bath, do meditation, sit down. In the night again, they sit

down for meditation, but they never go out, they never talk to others, they

never spread Sahaja Yoga, they do not give Divine love to others, so how can

this great problem of this world be solved that it has no love, it has never

known Divine love.

 

It has to be given to them, they have to feel this Divine love, this power of

Adi Shakti. They have to know it, otherwise you have been selfish, I would say,

that you had a nice time, having all this and you have not given to others.

 

This is the reason why Sahaja Yoga sometimes fails to create a proper balanced

personality in a human being. Some people are like this, that now supposing, a

Sahaja Yogi has married another Sahaja Yogini, take a position like that. Now,

My desire is that they should develop a complete understanding of each other,

love for each other, but love for Sahaja Yoga and for others.

 

This is the only way we can justify marriage in Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise why

should they marry [in Sahaja Yoga]? But it doesn’t happen like that. What

happens is that first they are married, then either they will quarrel, they will

ask for divorce. If that doesn’t happen luckily--because in Sahaja Yoga it’s so

easy to get married, you know--if that doesn’t happen, then they start having

their own family, their own homes, becoming very small, very, very small, very

limited [people].

 

Did you come to Sahaja Yoga for that? You have to realise your responsibility.

 

See this Mother Earth, how She knows Her responsibility. She is just made out of

nothing but soil and mud, but look at Her - how She is conscious, how She is

particular, how She works it out, how She is attentive, how She is careful.

While you, though you have been blessed so much by everything--you are--are you

thinking of giving it to others?

 

With twelve disciples, whatever was the problem of Christianity, it’s not a good

job, I must say, but still Christianity spread out. Islam was not a very good

job either--it spread out. All those bad jobs have spread out so much. So why

not the good job of Sahaja Yoga?

 

It has to spread, it has to go to various places. Try and find out where you can

go and talk about it and do something good to others and help them somehow to

rise above this common existence of misery, unhappiness and destruction.

 

The time is very short and, I think, if you see the time, the rate at which we

are moving is not proper. We have to be much faster, we have to go much ahead

and we have to create much more Sahaja Yogis through our consistent, very

intensive effort.

 

But it’s a side issue--'by the way'--Sahaja Yoga is 'by the way'. And this is

where we are failing in our responsibility.

 

We have to learn from the Mother Earth. You might say that: " Mataji, how can we

be like You? After all, You are Adi Shakti! "

 

Many people say like this: " You are Adi Shakti. " So what? You see, with one

finger you can move things like that! But why should I? Why should I? What is

the need?

 

So in that reflection that you are Me, in that reflection that the Mother Earth

is Me, in that beautiful creation within you, you have to become very sensitive

to the need of the world.

 

What is the need of the world?

 

Today, if you fail, the whole thing will fail forever. Only very few will be

there. So the need for you is to spread Sahaja Yoga, because this Love is not

only for you, is not to be enjoyed [only] by you, but is to be enjoyed by as

many possible in the whole world. So, today we have to decide that as the

children of Adi Shakti, we have to go all out, everywhere, every corner, we have

to shout, and we have to tell loudly what is the time in which we are living and

what is the responsibility that you have to fulfil as Sahaja Yogis.

 

There must be some reason why you are here. Like, in the beginning, Sahaja Yogis

used to ask Me: " Mother, was I this [in the] last life? Was I Shivaji [in the]

last life? "

 

I said: " What’s the use? You might have been anything, but what you are today is

much higher, try to understand! "

 

You might be, say, Napoleon--you might be, say, one of the kings or may be one

of the queens from somewhere--so what? What did they do? Did they raise

anybody’s Kundalini? Did they have any power? Even the disciples of Christ, or

even Mohammed Sahib’s disciples--anyone--did they do it? Did they have any

understanding of Kundalini? Did they have any love for others that they should

give them Realisation?

 

There were some Sufis, they never gave Realisation to anyone, there were so many

saints who never gave Realisation to anybody. Mohammed Sahib never gave

Realisation to anybody, Gautam Buddha never gave Realisation to anybody, think

of it! Christ never gave Realisation to anybody, anybody! Krishna did not do it,

Rama did not do it, nobody, but you can do it!! You can do it and you know

everything about Kundalini.

 

It’s a very big thing because you are children of the Adi Shakti. You are here

and your Mother is here. It’s a very, very fortunate thing for Me that you are

here. I’m very proud of you, but again and again I have to tell you that the

work has to be with a faster speed, we have to move with a faster speed and get

more people to Sahaja Yoga.

 

It is rather, rather difficult for Me to say something forcefully. That’s not My

nature, you know. Can’t get into tempers and cannot get angry and I cannot

forcefully say something to you, BUT if you fail, then only thing will be that

you have failed Me completely. It means that, nothing less than that.

 

And if you don’t want to do it, then I would request all of you to take a vow

today, that you spread Sahaja Yoga and you will talk about Sahaja Yoga, know

about Sahaja Yoga. There are many who don’t know anything. Also it is very

surprising--they are Sahaja Yogis, they don’t know anything.

 

And don’t create problems for Me like marriage: " We can’t now live with the

wife, we can’t live with the husband. " All sort of nonsensical problems people

create for Me in Sahaja Yoga. Are you here to create problems or to remove

problems of people?

 

So, on the whole, we have done well, I must say, but it’s not the final. We have

to work faster with more enthusiasm and joyfully. You don’t know what joy you

get when you give Realisation to somebody. The most joyful moment is when you

give Realisation to others. Just try, you must try once, you’ll enjoy it, and

then you want more and more and more.

 

Now, after Sahaja Yoga, really, the want disappears into this desire that: " My

God, this man is going, should I call him and give him Realisation? " On the

street, you’ll feel like calling: " Come here, come here, I want to give you

something! " You make him sit down and you give Realisation. This will be your

style, like mad, you’ll say: " Ah no! Look at this, this gentleman is without any

Realisation, let us give. " You’ll have to go to churches, you’ll have to go to

universities, you’ll have to go to all such congregations where they have no

idea about what they can achieve and then tell them without any fear, without

any malice.

 

You can talk to them and you should tell them: " Now, we are here to help, for

your good, we have not come for our good but for your good, now listen to us! "

And I’m sure, very sure that the Kundalini within you will be very happy. She’s

not happy, you see, She’s not happy with people who are not using Her fully. So,

She’ll be very happy to help you and do the needful for the emancipation of the

whole world.

 

May God bless you!

 

{Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Excerpts, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May,

1997)