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with unconditional love,

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, " Violet "

<violetubb wrote:

>

> Dear Veni (and All),

>

> Here are some excerpts from what Shri Mataji gave on Shiva, Adi

Shakti, Kundalini, Mother Earth and ourselves. i hope it helps to see

the collective inter-relationship more clearly.

>

> kind regards,

>

> violet

>

>

>

> Today, we are going to do the Puja of Adi Shakti. It is a difficult

subject to talk about Adi Shakti because it's not easy to understand

that Adi Shakti is the power of Sadashiva. Sadashiva is the God

Almighty. She is His breath, as some people call it. Some say She is

the desire and some say that She is the entire power of Sadashiva and

Sadashiva cannot do anything without Her powers. This subject has

been described by many people in various books in different ways. But

actually we need not go to the background of the creation of Adi

Shakti. For that, at least, you need seven lectures, but we will come

to the point where Adi Shakti started working on this Mother Earth.

>

> The first thing is, we must know that She created a Kundalini in

the Mother Earth itself and She created Shri Ganesha out of the

Mother Earth. It's very interesting. So the Mother Earth becomes a

very important thing for us. If we do not know how to respect the

Mother Earth, we do not know how to respect ourselves. The expression

of Adi Shakti within you is the Kundalini, no doubt, that is the

reflection of Adi Shakti in you. But the reflection in the Mother

Earth is also expressed, as you all know, in different places,

different countries, different cities, as the manifestation of

chakras and Adi Shakti's creations.

>

> It was very important first to create a very holy Mother Earth for

human beings to be born on that. So, the reflection of the Adi Shakti

as Kundalini first was on the Mother Earth. Kundalini is, we should

say, a wee part of the Adi Shakti, or we can say that She is the

desire, pure desire of the Adi Shakti. So Adi Shakti is the desire,

complete desire of Sadashiva--and Kundalini, Adi Kundalini, is the

desire, complete desire of Adi Shakti.

>

> Now, this one was first expressed in the Mother Earth, inside the

Mother Earth. Inside the Mother Earth, the Kundalini came up, in such

a way that it cooled down the inner part of the Mother Earth as much

as It could, and then it manifested on the surface of the earth as

different chakras. So, it is a tremendous similarity that we have

with Virata, the Mother Earth and the human beings--if all of them

are being reflected by the Adi Kundalini. So, there has to be a great

connection between them.

>

> It is not understood by human beings how they are connected to this

Mother Earth. This Kundalini passed through different centres,

creating different centres in the Mother Earth and ultimately broke

through Kailasha. And I don't know how many have you been to

Kailasha; you will see tremendous vibrations flowing out of Kailasha.

>

> Now, the way we insult our Mother Earth, what we are doing is we

are insulting the Adi Shakti. So many ways there are we should

respect the Mother Earth. I mean, it was an Indian custom to begin

with, when you got up from your bed and you touched the Mother Earth

with your feet, you have to say: " Oh, Mother Earth, please forgive

me, because I'm touching you with my feet. "

>

> All the movements of Mother Earth are controlled by this inner

Kundalini which is the reflection of Adi Shakti. The gravity that It

has also, is the manifestation of the Kundalini of the Mother Earth.

>

> Now, why are we suffering on this beautiful planet? Because we do

not respect what we have to respect the most. Mother Earth is to be

respected--meaning what? Meaning that whatever is created on this

earth by the movements of the earth, by the sea, by all the elements,

has to be respected.

>

> Today's problem is pollution--all kinds of things people talk of.

The reason behind it [is that] people never understood the importance

of all these five elements which are supportive of our life. So to

respect the Mother Earth, people do Bhoomi Puja. Many people when

they are building a house they will do the Bhoomi Puja, means they

will respect the Mother Earth.

>

> Because if She is not being respected, may be there could be an

earthquake. Which means that this Mother Earth understands, knows and

acts. It acts in such a manner that human beings don't understand why

such things happen.

>

> Now we can say that in a place called Latur, it was Shri Ganesha's

fourteenth day and they had to submerge the statues into the sea or

into the river, so they went all out singing, dancing. After coming

from there, they all started drinking. And drinking is not liked by

Mother Earth at all. If you are drunk and you are walking on the

road, you fall down. It so happened with that drinking that a big

earthquake broke in and all those who were dancing with drinking, all

of them were engulfed into that earthquake by Mother Earth.

>

> Only our centre which is there was surrounded by a big gap but

nothing happened to our centre and not one single Sahaja Yogi was

ruined by that. We can understand, because we are Sahaja Yogis, how

the Mother Earth has acted to save those people who were Sahaja Yogis.

>

> So the understanding of Mother Earth about saints is very great.

She knows who is a saint, She knows the feet of a saint and that's

why, you know, so many things were created like Moses. He went to the

sea and the Mother Earth came up for them to walk through. If all the

Jews had walked, it would not have worked, but it was Moses and His

saintliness that the Mother Earth Herself came up and helped Him. In

the same way, when Rama was building a big bridge between Lanka and

India, the Mother Earth came up as a bridge. So, we should not try to

curse the Mother Earth for any mishaps on this earth.

>

> If people are saintly, they will be always protected by Mother

Earth. She will always try to give them whatever they want. You can

see in the minute way, that supposing now, in our Cabella, here, the

roses are of such a big size, such a big size roses, you won't find

such a big size in the whole world, but we have here such big ones.

>

> In Pratishstan, we had flowers of sunflower so big as that one man

could not lift it. Now, how is it? All this is happening in

particular places. It's the Mother Earth who knows who is living

here, who is walking on this, on Her back we should say, or on Her

soil because Mother Earth understands vibrations. [break Quote]

>

> Note: [Gerlinde, you have shown at GSM (Great Spirit Mother) that

in the Indigenous traditions, they are very strong about respecting

the Mother Earth. Given what Shri Mataji says, it can be seen that

human destruction happens when the Mother Earth is destroyed. There

is a much more symbiotic connection there, than human beings have

known about. But the indigenous people know about it very clearly!]

>

> [Resume Quote]:

>

> Now, certain places, we say that, are very holy. How have they

discovered that these places are holy? Because of magnetic forces.

The magnetic forces in England, I was surprised, were crossing each

other at a place called Oxsted [1] where we lived. They were crossing

since long, but we lived there later on. So, Mother Earth also

organises and arranges things for saintly people. It's very

interesting to see how the Mother Earth guides you in a proper way. I

mean, I don't know how many instances I can give you, but we don't

understand the value of the understanding of this Mother Earth and

Her loving protection for all the saints. In the same way, we have to

understand how the whole atmosphere, the rain comes in at the right

time, the moon, the sun, everything works out in such a beautiful

manner, because they know it's a saint, they know these are saintly

people here, sitting here. They know that they are pure people, that

they are the essence of life and they should be looked after, they

should be cared for, they should be bothered for.

>

> It is not bothered about people who are of no use. For example now,

for Hajj [2], so many people went and so many were killed. Some went

to Ambarnath [3] and they were killed, because they were not saints,

just ritualistic people going for a ritual which in the discretion of

the Mother Earth was of no avail and of no advantage.

>

> But nobody learns from this, nobody learns when so many people were

going to, say, Ambernath--[they] were killed. Pakistan said: " See,

they should not have gone to this Ambernath, it's a false place. Why

did they go there? And by going there, what has proved is that it's

not a holy place. "

>

> But when the Hajj thing took place, they had nothing to say, they

did not know how to explain this Hajj business and the dying of so

many people. The reason is this, that these people have been going to

Hajj all the time--once, there was a stampede with thirty two

thousand people being injured and troubled and killed. Now this is

it: " Now, what is the Mother Earth suggesting? "

>

> That going to these places, holy places, they are really holy, no

doubt. Going to these places, you are not doing any spiritual ascent,

you are not achieving anything by going to these places which are

really holy, that cannot be challenged, they are holy places.

>

> You must be knowing that I was born in Chindwara and Mecca and

Chindwara are on the same Cancer line. How is it? What is [it] about

Mecca?

>

> Mecca is Maheshwara. It's a Shiva. Why did Mohammed Sahib ask

people to worship a stone? He didn't believe in stones. He was

against all kinds of idol worship, then why did He say this black

stone which is there has to be worshiped? For that people had to go

there. What was the reason? Because He could feel the vibration. He

could feel that it's a swayambhu. [4]

>

> So He said it. So all the Muslims like mad are going there. By

going there nobody has improved. I have not seen anybody improved by

going to Mecca. It's just a kind of a ritual. They think if they go

there, when they will die tomorrow, they will tell God: " See, now, we

have a certificate, we have been to Mecca. " Like our Pope, once upon

a time used to give [a] certificate that when you go to heaven, you

can show the certificate that now you are a real Christian. In this

way, all these artificial things came up.

>

> But there is reality behind it. The difference is, the reality is,

[that it is] for the real people and not for the false people. But

this ritualism has grown too much. Like in India, we have many

swayambus created by the Kundalini, again I would say, and which are

really worshipped. I have been to most of them and I was surprised

that most of the pujaris [the people officiating the pujas] were

suffering from some sort of a serious disease--like one was a

paralysed fellow.

>

> He said: " We are serving this God here and You said this is

swayambu, then, Mother, how is it that we are suffering from this

disease? " I said: " Because you are just making money, you can't make

money out of God. If you don't want to serve God, you don't stay

here, but if you want to serve God, then you can stay here, but don't

make money out of this. "

>

> It's very common, I have seen, those people who make money [out of

God] get paralysis, I have seen. It's a very deep understanding, all

these elements, Mother Earth, everybody--has about everything,

because their Kundalini is not like your Kundalini which though in

itself is pure--but because of your human endeavours, human mistakes,

ego, superego, all sorts of nonsense, the Kundalini is not so

sensitive, nor does it tell you what is happening.

>

> It [the Kundalini] has to be very alert - [a] sensitive

spirituality within you, by which you can say immediately what you

think, what you know, what you understand about anything. But the

problem is that this doesn't exist. Why is it, you should not be so

sensitive? On the contrary, I've seen if their mind works against

somebody, then they start saying: " You are catching on this, you are

catching on that, you are catching on that " . Actually, the person who

is saying that, is catching.

>

> So, with this thing, one has to understand that if we are the true

reflection of Adi Shakti, then we should be pure--absolutely pure--

like the white snow. Even one black drop--that's why I wore today the

white sari [if it] falls on the white, it shows. You should be so

white that anything, any minute black spot also, should be seen by

you and in others also, to be felt by you.

>

> If that height is achieved by pure life, by pure thinking, by pure

heart, it is not necessary to manipulate anything--no, no, no need at

all! It's all natural like the Mother Earth is. Does she manipulate

anything? Nothing! Just see how spontaneous she is. You put a seed in

the Mother Earth and see how it sprouts. She is so spontaneous, her

activity is so spontaneous. We never wonder about it. See different

types of flowers, different types of fragrance, different types of

shrubs and trees, how She grows with such balance in every place! In

every minute atom and molecule of that Mother Earth there is sense!

>

> So, before us is the best reflection of the Adi Shakti and that is

this Mother Earth. So first we must respect the Mother Earth.

>

> I like you people because you are sitting on the ground; it's very

good! for meditation if you can sit on the Mother Earth, it will be

extremely good, because the special quality of the Mother Earth,

which also I have, unfortunately, that I suck your problems--She,

too, sucks your problems and when she sucks your problems you get rid

of them without any difficulties.

>

> So if you cannot, say, sit on the ground, then you take a stone,

better is or you can have a marble or something which is natural on

which you should try to sit. But if you sit on the plastic and do

your meditation, I don't know what is going to help you, the plastic?

>

> That's why I request you always that [you] use natural things

because natural things can absorb your problems very well.

Unnaturally, also, we live otherwise, you see, it is on the physical

line, also on the mental line.

>

> On the mental line, what do we do, [is] that we go on arguing,

explaining, it's going on and on, and on and on. There is no end to

it.

>

> One should actually get headache, you see, with all that. But if

you are spontaneous, if you are very spontaneous, immediately you

will know what the other fellow is trying to do or to say or to

communicate. You don't need much thinking about it, because you can

absorb even the thought of another person. Absorb doesn't mean that

you take the bad thing of that person but it's like a sieving out,

you absorb what the other person is saying and you sieve it out.

>

> Now, the problem of this Adi Shakti is this: that I decided that I

will have all of you enter into My body, absorb all of you. It is a

very dangerous game, I know, but I did play. Because I'm supposed to

do at this stage of time that I should absorb you all in My body. So

with you all, your problems have also gone into Me, all your troubles

also have gone into Me, but by absorbing it, see, it is like [an]

Ocean, into which you are put, and you are cleansed.

>

> But, what about the ocean? Ocean has got still your problems and

things lingering and they are very troublesome. So the best thing

would be for you to cleanse yourself. Cleansing is very important

through introspection. But [it] doesn't mean thinking, never means

thinking, but introspection means meditation and that you all should

meditate.

>

> (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May,

1997)

>

>

> Notes:

>

> [1] Regarding Oxsted, apparently the Greenwich Meridian runs right

through it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxted

>

> [2] Regarding the Hajj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj

>

> [3] Regarding Ambarnath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambarnath

>

> [4] Regarding Swayambus:

>

> " We have many swayambus created by the Kundalini. " (Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

>

> " Now, certain places, we say that they are very holy. How have they

discovered that these places are holy? Because of the magnetic

forces. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy,

25 May, 1997)

>

> " Mecca is Maheshwara. It's a Shiva. Why did Mohammed Sahib ask

people to worship a stone? He didn't believe in stones. He was

against all kinds of idol worship. Then, why did He say this black

stone which is there, has to be worshiped? For that, people had to go

there. What was the reason? Because He could feel the vibrations. He

could feel that it's a swayambu. " (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi

Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May, 1997)

>

> " In India we believe that God himself takes incarnations with his

Vishnu principle whenever there is the decline of righteousness and

try to elevate. Every incarnation has done a lot of work and have

done also work within ourselves. Now this is the knowledge we had in

India, long time back, but when they talked about incarnations people

started worshipping them as some statues or some sort of images which

were sold in the market and were made by people who had no right to

do that. But it is described in the Puranas that we have got some of

the places where many...they have said that in many places in India

and all over the world the Mother Earth has created beautiful deities

to tell the world, to tell the people or to sort of tally with

whatever described in those olden books, and all these are called

as 'swayambus', they are created by themselves. Unless and until you

are a realised soul you cannot make it out whether these are real or

not. You have to have vibrations to see that they emit vibrations

quite strongly; a stone starts emitting vibrations but it has a form,

it has a coefficient, so [that is] how this has been created. " (Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi, India Tour, Ganapatipule India, 07/01/90)

>

> " All the movements of Mother Earth are controlled by this inner

Kundalini which is the reflection of Adi Shakti. The gravity that It

has, also is the manifestation of the Kundalini of the Mother Earth. "

(Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella Italy, 25 May,

1997)

>

>

>

> Supposing now, you meditate and you don't spread Sahaja Yoga, you

will never ascend, because after all this Kundalini, you see, She is

a sensible woman, She is very sensible. She thinks: " Why should I

make her a saint, what is the use? " Sahaja Yoga is not

individualistic. It's not for one person to become a saint and sit

somewhere. It's not like that. It's not meant for one person, for

oneself, it's not individualistic. It's a collective happening. So,

if you are not helping to the collective, Kundalini says: " Alright,

you are alright as it is! " Just like our body: see in our body, if

one organ says: " Alright, now I'm alright, I'm not going to work

out. " Or one cell says that: " I'm not going to now grow, it's

alright, why should I worry about the whole body? " It won't [work].

It's a living--it's a living organism! I have told you 100 times,

when it is a living organism, it has to grow, it has to grow and also

to absorb. To have energy, you have to meditate and you have to grow.

>

> If you don't grow, you are finished, you are no more a Sahaja Yogi.

I wouldn't call a person a Sahaja Yogi who has not even given one

person Realisation. Cannot be a Sahaja Yogi! Sahaja Yogi has to give

Realisation to others. Apart from other activities, the main activity

should be how we give realisations to others. Unless and until we

really look after that side of life, we can never, never grow in

Sahaja Yoga.

>

> For example, now take My position, I'm alright, I'm complete, I

have no problem. But why did I work so hard and wanted so many Sahaja

Yogis? Why? I don't have to grow either, I'm overgrown already. I

don't have to do it, but why? What is the need? The need is like

this, the need is of love. I have so much love that I have to

channelize it. If I don't, I'll suffocate. I can't love Myself. So

this love has to spread. For that, I have to have you people who can

take this love to others and make them happy. This is a kind of a

vision I have, and in this special time, it was promised by many

people, by many saints and it is so obvious that you are all

specially chosen for this kind of thing.

>

> Now, how far you understand your importance is a different point.

You do [spiritual work] for your emancipation, alright you meditate,

but if you are not channelising the love, the Divine love, what is

the use? Now, supposing I repair something very nicely, I repair this

machine nicely, put it right, everything and I don't speak, what is

the use of having this?

>

> In the same way, if you work very hard... I know people who get up

at four o'clock, have their bath, do meditation, sit down. In the

night again, they sit down for meditation, but they never go out,

they never talk to others, they never spread Sahaja Yoga, they do not

give Divine love to others, so how can this great problem of this

world be solved that it has no love, it has never known Divine love.

>

> It has to be given to them, they have to feel this Divine love,

this power of Adi Shakti. They have to know it, otherwise you have

been selfish, I would say, that you had a nice time, having all this

and you have not given to others.

>

> This is the reason why Sahaja Yoga sometimes fails to create a

proper balanced personality in a human being. Some people are like

this, that now supposing, a Sahaja Yogi has married another Sahaja

Yogini, take a position like that. Now, My desire is that they should

develop a complete understanding of each other, love for each other,

but love for Sahaja Yoga and for others.

>

> This is the only way we can justify marriage in Sahaja Yoga.

Otherwise why should they marry [in Sahaja Yoga]? But it doesn't

happen like that. What happens is that first they are married, then

either they will quarrel, they will ask for divorce. If that doesn't

happen luckily--because in Sahaja Yoga it's so easy to get married,

you know--if that doesn't happen, then they start having their own

family, their own homes, becoming very small, very, very small, very

limited [people].

>

> Did you come to Sahaja Yoga for that? You have to realise your

responsibility.

>

> See this Mother Earth, how She knows Her responsibility. She is

just made out of nothing but soil and mud, but look at Her - how She

is conscious, how She is particular, how She works it out, how She is

attentive, how She is careful. While you, though you have been

blessed so much by everything--you are--are you thinking of giving it

to others?

>

> With twelve disciples, whatever was the problem of Christianity,

it's not a good job, I must say, but still Christianity spread out.

Islam was not a very good job either--it spread out. All those bad

jobs have spread out so much. So why not the good job of Sahaja Yoga?

>

> It has to spread, it has to go to various places. Try and find out

where you can go and talk about it and do something good to others

and help them somehow to rise above this common existence of misery,

unhappiness and destruction.

>

> The time is very short and, I think, if you see the time, the rate

at which we are moving is not proper. We have to be much faster, we

have to go much ahead and we have to create much more Sahaja Yogis

through our consistent, very intensive effort.

>

> But it's a side issue--'by the way'--Sahaja Yoga is 'by the way'.

And this is where we are failing in our responsibility.

>

> We have to learn from the Mother Earth. You might say

that: " Mataji, how can we be like You? After all, You are Adi Shakti! "

>

> Many people say like this: " You are Adi Shakti. " So what? You see,

with one finger you can move things like that! But why should I? Why

should I? What is the need?

>

> So in that reflection that you are Me, in that reflection that the

Mother Earth is Me, in that beautiful creation within you, you have

to become very sensitive to the need of the world.

>

> What is the need of the world?

>

> Today, if you fail, the whole thing will fail forever. Only very

few will be there. So the need for you is to spread Sahaja Yoga,

because this Love is not only for you, is not to be enjoyed [only] by

you, but is to be enjoyed by as many possible in the whole world. So,

today we have to decide that as the children of Adi Shakti, we have

to go all out, everywhere, every corner, we have to shout, and we

have to tell loudly what is the time in which we are living and what

is the responsibility that you have to fulfil as Sahaja Yogis.

>

> There must be some reason why you are here. Like, in the beginning,

Sahaja Yogis used to ask Me: " Mother, was I this [in the] last life?

Was I Shivaji [in the] last life? "

>

> I said: " What's the use? You might have been anything, but what you

are today is much higher, try to understand! "

>

> You might be, say, Napoleon--you might be, say, one of the kings or

may be one of the queens from somewhere--so what? What did they do?

Did they raise anybody's Kundalini? Did they have any power? Even the

disciples of Christ, or even Mohammed Sahib's disciples--anyone--did

they do it? Did they have any understanding of Kundalini? Did they

have any love for others that they should give them Realisation?

>

> There were some Sufis, they never gave Realisation to anyone, there

were so many saints who never gave Realisation to anybody. Mohammed

Sahib never gave Realisation to anybody, Gautam Buddha never gave

Realisation to anybody, think of it! Christ never gave Realisation to

anybody, anybody! Krishna did not do it, Rama did not do it, nobody,

but you can do it!! You can do it and you know everything about

Kundalini.

>

> It's a very big thing because you are children of the Adi Shakti.

You are here and your Mother is here. It's a very, very fortunate

thing for Me that you are here. I'm very proud of you, but again and

again I have to tell you that the work has to be with a faster speed,

we have to move with a faster speed and get more people to Sahaja

Yoga.

>

> It is rather, rather difficult for Me to say something forcefully.

That's not My nature, you know. Can't get into tempers and cannot get

angry and I cannot forcefully say something to you, BUT if you fail,

then only thing will be that you have failed Me completely. It means

that, nothing less than that.

>

> And if you don't want to do it, then I would request all of you to

take a vow today, that you spread Sahaja Yoga and you will talk about

Sahaja Yoga, know about Sahaja Yoga. There are many who don't know

anything. Also it is very surprising--they are Sahaja Yogis, they

don't know anything.

>

> And don't create problems for Me like marriage: " We can't now live

with the wife, we can't live with the husband. " All sort of

nonsensical problems people create for Me in Sahaja Yoga. Are you

here to create problems or to remove problems of people?

>

> So, on the whole, we have done well, I must say, but it's not the

final. We have to work faster with more enthusiasm and joyfully. You

don't know what joy you get when you give Realisation to somebody.

The most joyful moment is when you give Realisation to others. Just

try, you must try once, you'll enjoy it, and then you want more and

more and more.

>

> Now, after Sahaja Yoga, really, the want disappears into this

desire that: " My God, this man is going, should I call him and give

him Realisation? " On the street, you'll feel like calling: " Come

here, come here, I want to give you something! " You make him sit down

and you give Realisation. This will be your style, like mad, you'll

say: " Ah no! Look at this, this gentleman is without any Realisation,

let us give. " You'll have to go to churches, you'll have to go to

universities, you'll have to go to all such congregations where they

have no idea about what they can achieve and then tell them without

any fear, without any malice.

>

> You can talk to them and you should tell them: " Now, we are here to

help, for your good, we have not come for our good but for your good,

now listen to us! " And I'm sure, very sure that the Kundalini within

you will be very happy. She's not happy, you see, She's not happy

with people who are not using Her fully. So, She'll be very happy to

help you and do the needful for the emancipation of the whole world.

>

> May God bless you!

>

> {Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, Excerpts, Adi Shakti Puja, Cabella

Italy, 25 May, 1997)

>