Latest update Religions Chart/Identity/Resurrection pamphlet

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Dear Jagbir, Violet, pure.faith108 and All,

 

Some proposed questions/suggestions/reasons for edit/additions to 1)Religions

chart and 2)Identity/Resurrection Pamphlet follow with invitation to forum

members' comments.

 

The response to pure.faith108's question is also addressed.

 

 

Concerning QuESTIONS and CHANGES:

 

1)Removal of Native American column is fine with both Violet and myself as per:

 

[Yes, you probably have read the post where i explain why i agree to the

removal. It is good that it is an open process for everyone to see, how it is

developing, so if there are any questions as to why this or that religion were

not included, the forum members will know why, and we won't have to go through

it later.(message 10706)]

 

 

2)Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

a)Eschatological Evidence*

 

*Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

Sahasrara Chakra

 

G.Would you consider the above complete for a " panoramic view of the Blossom

Time " or should one add 'Redemption/ Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last

Judgment/Blossom Time?

 

[i think it would be good to also add: 'Redemption/

Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last Judgment/Blossom Time' Violet]

 

 

3)G. Would it also be advisable to delete Taoism and Confucianism for this

chart? I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

Will Jainism and Zoroastrianism have a slot in the religions chart? Or should we

simply stop at Sikhism for now?

 

[it may be easier to stick to the Main religions (of eschatology) for now, that

Shri Mataji also mainly concentrated on. It makes sense to me, as the majority

follow the Main religions. A pamphlet with the other non-eschatological/non-main

religions (as we describe them) could also be produced, or something along that

line. (i think you have already started some of that information, but maybe it

is not so essential for the thrust of the Blossom Time message, but more for

general information. Violet]

 

G. I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

 

[That means others could also argue with us about 'the same', which is another

good reason to stick to the Main (Eschatological) Religions for now...]

 

4a)The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted. [Yes]

 

b)'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga(Box 5) [Yes]

 

c)'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

LEAVE BLANK (Box 6)--no info at present

 

d)'Tree of Asvattah in Bhagavad Gita - Verse 15:1.

 

5)G. In the last box of the chart are there any more names for: Cool Breeze/

Ruh/Winds of Qiyamah/Ruach/ Wind, Breath/ Chi/Ki/ Spiritus(?)

The current phrase in box 7 - " that of being born of the Spirit in Last

Judgment " - is now redundant and should be deleted.

 

[i like both suggestions. 'Spiritus' could be added and 'that of being born of

the Spirit in the Last Judgment could be deleted.]

 

6) Should this chart have a title? Suggestions?

 

 

 

Dear PURE.FAITH108

From some of your recent contributions to this forum you have, fortunately for

us, amply and beautifully demonstrated your technical expertise and shared some

wonderful images with us on the adishakti.org site. Thank you.

 

I'm definitely an absolute neophyte in this area with next to no technical

knowledge, so, with this thought in mind, I will try to respond to your request

as best as I can, (with Violet's input also).

 

With regards to the above changes/additions to the Religions Chart, some

possible alterations in the religions chart itself would, I assume, be required.

Please feel free to format the Religions chart in an A4 design that can be

easily accessed and reproduced.

 

It's come to my attention that in the case of whether to use pdf or jpg,it

appears that sometimes people have difficulty opening a pdf. So, if a jpg

happens to be better, perhaps you could use the jpg. However, if it is better to

do whatever you need to do in pdf, please just use pdf.

 

Violet has just recently got pdf accessibility, it seems with some considerable

effort on her part, which included having to pay for it with her credit card. Do

you think this pdf format would be more difficult for others to access?

 

Perhaps you could share what are the advantages/disadvantages between using jpg

or pdf?

My computer paper size is 8 1/2x 11 - I'm asuming this is what's meant by the

term A4?

 

Pure.faith 108, I've found that the print in the Identity/Resurrection pamphlet

(and possibly in the Religions chart) with Shri Mataji's photo is fairly small

for some people, if 4 pamphlets to a page are used. However, if only 2 copies to

a page are printed, this challenge is solved.

 

Another possibility to be able to increase the font size and provide more room

for the added URLs input might be to avoid a border. However, I've found it's

advantageous to be able to have some indication of where to cut the four or two

pamphlets if they're taken to the photocopy location to be cut by individuals.

 

What would you advise re the print size? Might it be possible to produce a

sample for forum members to determine what they think re various points?

 

Could you explain what you mean by the 'pamphlet in special format'?

 

Would it be as in the following info for the Identitiy/Resurrection pamphlet but

CENTERED attractively for easy readability and formatted for easy access?

 

 

 

DIVINE FEMININE Adi Shakti THE KINGDOM OF GOD

 

Sahaja Yoga

" spontaneous union "

 

" You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power

that created you. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

" Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for

this Special Time, that is, the Resurrection Time. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

 

PHOTO OF SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI with Her name underneath

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

 

" These are the times described in the Holy Bible as the Last Judgment and in the

Koran as Qiyamah - the Resurrection Time. Astrologically it is also called the

Age of Aquarius, the Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on the

Earth. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

" In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called as

Shri Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for

them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last

Judgment. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

http://www.adishakti.org

 

http://www.adi-shakti.org

 

http://www.holyspirit-shekinah.org

 

http://www.al-qiyamah.org

 

http://www.great-spirit-mother.org

 

http://www.aykaa-mayee.org

 

http://great-spirit-mother.org

 

http://www.tao-mother.org

 

 

 

It's questionable whether ALL URLS will fit.

 

Thank you, all, for your input and efforts.

 

Regards,

Gerlinde

 

 

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> , " Violet " <violetubb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir, " sahaja_joga " <pure.faith108@> and All,

> >

> > So far there is (1) edit and the following suggested additional information

for the Religious Chart:

> >

> >

> > A./ 1 Edit only

> >

> > Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

> > Presently reads: 'Cool Breeze'

> > Suggested to read: 'Proof of evidence of Second Birth'

> >

>

> Suggested to read: either i)Proof of Second Birth or ii)

> Eschatological Evidence*

>

> There should be a note for the asterik which should read:

>

> *Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

> Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

> Sahasrara Chakra

>

> The above is what i mean by " panoramic view of the Blossom Time " . The

> word " eschatological " should be added to give pamphlet the immense

> strength of religious faith. The Blossom Time is all about fulfilled

> eschatology.

>

> We should delete Native American for the time being as it is not a

> relgion. It is best we stick onto the major religions as they have

> more in common. i do not feel comfortable with trying to portray

> Native American as a religion given the fact that they have no Holy

> Scripture. Moreover, extremely few people follow Native American

> spiritualism i.e., non-natives. Adding it will be a definite liabilty,

> all the more if we are to attract the religious masses, many of whom

> will regard and reject it as paganism.

>

> " Paganism

>

> The term has been defined broadly, to encompass all of the religions

> outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity,

> and Islam. The group so defined includes most of the Eastern

> religions, Native American religions and mythologies, as well as non-

> Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will

> not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local

> or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of

> pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a

> living mythology which explains religious practice.[3]

>

> The term " pagan " is a Christian adaptation of the " gentile " of

> Judaism, and as such has an inherent Abrahamic bias, and pejorative

> connotations among Western monotheists,[4] comparable to heathen, and

> infidel also known as kafir (ßÇÝÑ) and mushrik in Islam. For this

> reason, ethnologists avoid the term " paganism, " with its uncertain

> and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths,

> preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism,

> pantheism, or animism; however others criticise the use of these

> terms, claiming that these are only aspects that different faiths may

> share and do not denote the religions themselves. "

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

>

>

> >

> > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> >

> > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> >

>

> i believe 'Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga' is best as it emphasizes the

> transition from the Age of Darkness to the Age of Truth.

>

> >

> > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> >

>

> We should never corrupt the Truth. Buddhists will be aghast with such

> a speculation that has absolutely no basis.

>

> The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

> >

> > B./ .....Additions

> >

> >

> > 1. 'Native American' Category (Box 1)

> >

> > (Box 2)--presently reads: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman'

> > Suggestion: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman/Mother Earth'

> >

> > (Box 3)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'Most holy connection to Great Spirit/Wakan Tanka/Tunkashila'

> >

> > Note: The suggestion for (Box 3) is derived from the information in this

excerpt:

> >

> > " I am reminded time and time again, that to most all North American Indian

tribes, the spiritual meaning of the color white represents the most holy

connection to the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka, Tankashilah, or by the many other

names by which the Creator is known. A symbol of purity, life, renewal, good,

and peace. It is a color universally recognized as pure and representing good. "

> >

> > http://www.indiandogs.com/whitespirit.htm

> >

> >

> > (Box 4)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'Open Door'

> >

> > (Box 5)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'Purification Day/Mystery Egg/Fifth World/Pahana (the true White

Brother Messiah')

> >

> > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'The Tree of Peace/The White Pine'

> >

> >

> > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> >

> > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> >

> >

> > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> >

> >

> > 4. >Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if possible>

> >

> >

> > Could we please have the chart amended to accommodate the latest

suggestions, if you are happy with them, and then we'll be able to see how the

Religions Chart is progressing along!

> >

> > love to all,

> >

> > violet

> >

> >

> >

> > , " magdca " <gerlindesattler@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > I'd like to offer for your added consideration, some additions (or

> > > simply points of interest for now) to the religions chart - if they

> > > are deemed to be correct:

> > >

> > > Native Americans: Divine Feminine (Mother) - Sacred White Buffalo

> > > Calf Woman, Mother Earth

> > >

> > > Kingdom of God - Open Door

> > >

> > > The Age - Purification Day. " The great day of Purification has

> > > been described as a " Mystery Egg " in which the forces...culminate

> > > in either total REBIRTH or total annihilation " .

> > > http://earthchangesmedia.com/breaking/March2000/0307hopi.htm

> > >

> > > The 'Fifth World' is considered to be the emergence of the new age

> > >

> > > Pahana-(the Messiah)- this seems to refer to the expected true

> > > White Brother, perhaps similar to Shri Jesus Christ/Kalki

> > >

> > > Subtle System - This is likely to be The Tree of Peace, the White

> > > Pine since this tree also has four roots..

> > >

> > >

> > > Hinduism: AGE - I'd probably also mention Satya Yuga in addition to

> > > Krita Yuga

> > >

> > > Buddhism: Subtle System - could this be the Bodh Gaya ?? the tree

> > > under which the Buddha reached Enlightenment??

> > >

> > > Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Rather than using 'cool Breeze as the final Heading, I'd change it

> > > to 'Proof' or 'Evidence of Second Birth'

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Gerlinde

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

This is the latest update of the Religious Chart from Gerlinde:

 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYGK_aXS7fgAlg8vH_DOzPA & gmrcpt

 

Suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

 

 

 

, " magdca " <gerlindesattler

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet, pure.faith108 and All,

>

> Some proposed questions/suggestions/reasons for edit/additions to 1)Religions

chart and 2)Identity/Resurrection Pamphlet follow with invitation to forum

members' comments.

>

> The response to pure.faith108's question is also addressed.

>

>

> Concerning QuESTIONS and CHANGES:

>

> 1)Removal of Native American column is fine with both Violet and myself as

per:

>

> [Yes, you probably have read the post where i explain why i agree to the

removal. It is good that it is an open process for everyone to see, how it is

developing, so if there are any questions as to why this or that religion were

not included, the forum members will know why, and we won't have to go through

it later.(message 10706)]

>

>

> 2)Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

> a)Eschatological Evidence*

>

> *Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

> Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

> Sahasrara Chakra

>

> G.Would you consider the above complete for a " panoramic view of the Blossom

Time " or should one add 'Redemption/ Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last

Judgment/Blossom Time?

>

> [i think it would be good to also add: 'Redemption/

Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last Judgment/Blossom Time' Violet]

>

>

> 3)G. Would it also be advisable to delete Taoism and Confucianism for this

chart? I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

> Will Jainism and Zoroastrianism have a slot in the religions chart? Or should

we simply stop at Sikhism for now?

>

> [it may be easier to stick to the Main religions (of eschatology) for now,

that Shri Mataji also mainly concentrated on. It makes sense to me, as the

majority follow the Main religions. A pamphlet with the other

non-eschatological/non-main religions (as we describe them) could also be

produced, or something along that line. (i think you have already started some

of that information, but maybe it is not so essential for the thrust of the

Blossom Time message, but more for general information. Violet]

>

> G. I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

>

> [That means others could also argue with us about 'the same', which is another

good reason to stick to the Main (Eschatological) Religions for now...]

>

> 4a)The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted. [Yes]

>

> b)'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga(Box 5) [Yes]

>

> c)'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> LEAVE BLANK (Box 6)--no info at present

>

> d)'Tree of Asvattah in Bhagavad Gita - Verse 15:1.

>

> 5)G. In the last box of the chart are there any more names for: Cool Breeze/

Ruh/Winds of Qiyamah/Ruach/ Wind, Breath/ Chi/Ki/ Spiritus(?)

> The current phrase in box 7 - " that of being born of the Spirit in Last

Judgment " - is now redundant and should be deleted.

>

> [i like both suggestions. 'Spiritus' could be added and 'that of being born of

the Spirit in the Last Judgment could be deleted.]

>

> 6) Should this chart have a title? Suggestions?

>

>

>

> Dear PURE.FAITH108

> From some of your recent contributions to this forum you have, fortunately for

us, amply and beautifully demonstrated your technical expertise and shared some

wonderful images with us on the adishakti.org site. Thank you.

>

> I'm definitely an absolute neophyte in this area with next to no technical

knowledge, so, with this thought in mind, I will try to respond to your request

as best as I can, (with Violet's input also).

>

> With regards to the above changes/additions to the Religions Chart, some

possible alterations in the religions chart itself would, I assume, be required.

Please feel free to format the Religions chart in an A4 design that can be

easily accessed and reproduced.

>

> It's come to my attention that in the case of whether to use pdf or jpg,it

appears that sometimes people have difficulty opening a pdf. So, if a jpg

happens to be better, perhaps you could use the jpg. However, if it is better to

do whatever you need to do in pdf, please just use pdf.

>

> Violet has just recently got pdf accessibility, it seems with some

considerable effort on her part, which included having to pay for it with her

credit card. Do you think this pdf format would be more difficult for others to

access?

>

> Perhaps you could share what are the advantages/disadvantages between using

jpg or pdf?

> My computer paper size is 8 1/2x 11 - I'm asuming this is what's meant by the

term A4?

>

> Pure.faith 108, I've found that the print in the Identity/Resurrection

pamphlet (and possibly in the Religions chart) with Shri Mataji's photo is

fairly small for some people, if 4 pamphlets to a page are used. However, if

only 2 copies to a page are printed, this challenge is solved.

>

> Another possibility to be able to increase the font size and provide more room

for the added URLs input might be to avoid a border. However, I've found it's

advantageous to be able to have some indication of where to cut the four or two

pamphlets if they're taken to the photocopy location to be cut by individuals.

>

> What would you advise re the print size? Might it be possible to produce a

sample for forum members to determine what they think re various points?

>

> Could you explain what you mean by the 'pamphlet in special format'?

>

> Would it be as in the following info for the Identitiy/Resurrection pamphlet

but CENTERED attractively for easy readability and formatted for easy access?

>

>

>

> DIVINE FEMININE Adi Shakti THE KINGDOM OF GOD

>

> Sahaja Yoga

> " spontaneous union "

>

> " You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the

power that created you. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

> " Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for

this Special Time, that is, the Resurrection Time. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

>

>

> PHOTO OF SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI with Her name underneath

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

>

>

> " These are the times described in the Holy Bible as the Last Judgment and in

the Koran as Qiyamah - the Resurrection Time. Astrologically it is also called

the Age of Aquarius, the Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on

the Earth. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

> " In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called

as Shri Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for

them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last

Judgment. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>

>

> http://www.adishakti.org

>

> http://www.adi-shakti.org

>

> http://www.holyspirit-shekinah.org

>

> http://www.al-qiyamah.org

>

> http://www.great-spirit-mother.org

>

> http://www.aykaa-mayee.org

>

> http://great-spirit-mother.org

>

> http://www.tao-mother.org

>

>

>

> It's questionable whether ALL URLS will fit.

>

> Thank you, all, for your input and efforts.

>

> Regards,

> Gerlinde

>

>

>

>

>

> , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org@>

wrote:

> >

> > , " Violet " <violetubb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir, " sahaja_joga " <pure.faith108@> and All,

> > >

> > > So far there is (1) edit and the following suggested additional

information for the Religious Chart:

> > >

> > >

> > > A./ 1 Edit only

> > >

> > > Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

> > > Presently reads: 'Cool Breeze'

> > > Suggested to read: 'Proof of evidence of Second Birth'

> > >

> >

> > Suggested to read: either i)Proof of Second Birth or ii)

> > Eschatological Evidence*

> >

> > There should be a note for the asterik which should read:

> >

> > *Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

> > Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

> > Sahasrara Chakra

> >

> > The above is what i mean by " panoramic view of the Blossom Time " . The

> > word " eschatological " should be added to give pamphlet the immense

> > strength of religious faith. The Blossom Time is all about fulfilled

> > eschatology.

> >

> > We should delete Native American for the time being as it is not a

> > relgion. It is best we stick onto the major religions as they have

> > more in common. i do not feel comfortable with trying to portray

> > Native American as a religion given the fact that they have no Holy

> > Scripture. Moreover, extremely few people follow Native American

> > spiritualism i.e., non-natives. Adding it will be a definite liabilty,

> > all the more if we are to attract the religious masses, many of whom

> > will regard and reject it as paganism.

> >

> > " Paganism

> >

> > The term has been defined broadly, to encompass all of the religions

> > outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity,

> > and Islam. The group so defined includes most of the Eastern

> > religions, Native American religions and mythologies, as well as non-

> > Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will

> > not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local

> > or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of

> > pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a

> > living mythology which explains religious practice.[3]

> >

> > The term " pagan " is a Christian adaptation of the " gentile " of

> > Judaism, and as such has an inherent Abrahamic bias, and pejorative

> > connotations among Western monotheists,[4] comparable to heathen, and

> > infidel also known as kafir (ßÇÝÑ) and mushrik in Islam. For this

> > reason, ethnologists avoid the term " paganism, " with its uncertain

> > and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths,

> > preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism,

> > pantheism, or animism; however others criticise the use of these

> > terms, claiming that these are only aspects that different faiths may

> > share and do not denote the religions themselves. "

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

> >

> >

> > >

> > > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> > >

> > > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> > >

> >

> > i believe 'Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga' is best as it emphasizes the

> > transition from the Age of Darkness to the Age of Truth.

> >

> > >

> > > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> > >

> >

> > We should never corrupt the Truth. Buddhists will be aghast with such

> > a speculation that has absolutely no basis.

> >

> > The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted.

> >

> > regards to all,

> >

> > jagbir

> >

> >

> > >

> > > B./ .....Additions

> > >

> > >

> > > 1. 'Native American' Category (Box 1)

> > >

> > > (Box 2)--presently reads: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman'

> > > Suggestion: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman/Mother Earth'

> > >

> > > (Box 3)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'Most holy connection to Great Spirit/Wakan Tanka/Tunkashila'

> > >

> > > Note: The suggestion for (Box 3) is derived from the information in this

excerpt:

> > >

> > > " I am reminded time and time again, that to most all North American Indian

tribes, the spiritual meaning of the color white represents the most holy

connection to the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka, Tankashilah, or by the many other

names by which the Creator is known. A symbol of purity, life, renewal, good,

and peace. It is a color universally recognized as pure and representing good. "

> > >

> > > http://www.indiandogs.com/whitespirit.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > (Box 4)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'Open Door'

> > >

> > > (Box 5)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'Purification Day/Mystery Egg/Fifth World/Pahana (the true

White Brother Messiah')

> > >

> > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'The Tree of Peace/The White Pine'

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> > >

> > > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> > >

> > >

> > > 4. >Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if

possible>

> > >

> > >

> > > Could we please have the chart amended to accommodate the latest

suggestions, if you are happy with them, and then we'll be able to see how the

Religions Chart is progressing along!

> > >

> > > love to all,

> > >

> > > violet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " magdca " <gerlindesattler@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > I'd like to offer for your added consideration, some additions (or

> > > > simply points of interest for now) to the religions chart - if they

> > > > are deemed to be correct:

> > > >

> > > > Native Americans: Divine Feminine (Mother) - Sacred White Buffalo

> > > > Calf Woman, Mother Earth

> > > >

> > > > Kingdom of God - Open Door

> > > >

> > > > The Age - Purification Day. " The great day of Purification has

> > > > been described as a " Mystery Egg " in which the forces...culminate

> > > > in either total REBIRTH or total annihilation " .

> > > > http://earthchangesmedia.com/breaking/March2000/0307hopi.htm

> > > >

> > > > The 'Fifth World' is considered to be the emergence of the new age

> > > >

> > > > Pahana-(the Messiah)- this seems to refer to the expected true

> > > > White Brother, perhaps similar to Shri Jesus Christ/Kalki

> > > >

> > > > Subtle System - This is likely to be The Tree of Peace, the White

> > > > Pine since this tree also has four roots..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hinduism: AGE - I'd probably also mention Satya Yuga in addition to

> > > > Krita Yuga

> > > >

> > > > Buddhism: Subtle System - could this be the Bodh Gaya ?? the tree

> > > > under which the Buddha reached Enlightenment??

> > > >

> > > > Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if

> > > > possible.

> > > >

> > > > Rather than using 'cool Breeze as the final Heading, I'd change it

> > > > to 'Proof' or 'Evidence of Second Birth'

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Gerlinde

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Gerlinde and All,

 

i just clicked on the URL to access the Religions Chart spreadsheet, and i got

this message:

 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYGK_aXS7fgAlg8vH_DOzPA & gmrcpt

 

When i clicked the choice 'to request permission' in the above URL, i got this

message:

 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/request?key=pYGK_aXS7fgAlg8vH_DOzPA

 

i was able though to access this same chart which Gerlinde sent privately to me,

also, so there was no 'problem' there.

 

i might ring up the Computer Help people and see if they can tell me what to do.

 

i wonder if anyone else is having this 'problem' or whether it is just me.

 

The chart is great, btw!!!

 

love to all,

 

violet

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> This is the latest update of the Religious Chart from Gerlinde:

>

> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYGK_aXS7fgAlg8vH_DOzPA & gmrcpt

>

> Suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

> , " magdca " <gerlindesattler@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir, Violet, pure.faith108 and All,

> >

> > Some proposed questions/suggestions/reasons for edit/additions to

1)Religions chart and 2)Identity/Resurrection Pamphlet follow with invitation to

forum members' comments.

> >

> > The response to pure.faith108's question is also addressed.

> >

> >

> > Concerning QuESTIONS and CHANGES:

> >

> > 1)Removal of Native American column is fine with both Violet and myself as

per:

> >

> > [Yes, you probably have read the post where i explain why i agree to the

removal. It is good that it is an open process for everyone to see, how it is

developing, so if there are any questions as to why this or that religion were

not included, the forum members will know why, and we won't have to go through

it later.(message 10706)]

> >

> >

> > 2)Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

> > a)Eschatological Evidence*

> >

> > *Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

> > Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

> > Sahasrara Chakra

> >

> > G.Would you consider the above complete for a " panoramic view of the Blossom

Time " or should one add 'Redemption/ Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last

Judgment/Blossom Time?

> >

> > [i think it would be good to also add: 'Redemption/

Moksha/Enlightenment/Nirvana/Mukti /Last Judgment/Blossom Time' Violet]

> >

> >

> > 3)G. Would it also be advisable to delete Taoism and Confucianism for this

chart? I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

> > Will Jainism and Zoroastrianism have a slot in the religions chart? Or

should we simply stop at Sikhism for now?

> >

> > [it may be easier to stick to the Main religions (of eschatology) for now,

that Shri Mataji also mainly concentrated on. It makes sense to me, as the

majority follow the Main religions. A pamphlet with the other

non-eschatological/non-main religions (as we describe them) could also be

produced, or something along that line. (i think you have already started some

of that information, but maybe it is not so essential for the thrust of the

Blossom Time message, but more for general information. Violet]

> >

> > G. I recall the emphatic comments made by a young Chinese student that

'Confucianism' is NOT a religion.

> >

> > [That means others could also argue with us about 'the same', which is

another good reason to stick to the Main (Eschatological) Religions for now...]

> >

> > 4a)The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted.

[Yes]

> >

> > b)'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> > Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga(Box 5) [Yes]

> >

> > c)'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > LEAVE BLANK (Box 6)--no info at present

> >

> > d)'Tree of Asvattah in Bhagavad Gita - Verse 15:1.

> >

> > 5)G. In the last box of the chart are there any more names for: Cool Breeze/

Ruh/Winds of Qiyamah/Ruach/ Wind, Breath/ Chi/Ki/ Spiritus(?)

> > The current phrase in box 7 - " that of being born of the Spirit in Last

Judgment " - is now redundant and should be deleted.

> >

> > [i like both suggestions. 'Spiritus' could be added and 'that of being born

of the Spirit in the Last Judgment could be deleted.]

> >

> > 6) Should this chart have a title? Suggestions?

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear PURE.FAITH108

> > From some of your recent contributions to this forum you have, fortunately

for us, amply and beautifully demonstrated your technical expertise and shared

some wonderful images with us on the adishakti.org site. Thank you.

> >

> > I'm definitely an absolute neophyte in this area with next to no technical

knowledge, so, with this thought in mind, I will try to respond to your request

as best as I can, (with Violet's input also).

> >

> > With regards to the above changes/additions to the Religions Chart, some

possible alterations in the religions chart itself would, I assume, be required.

Please feel free to format the Religions chart in an A4 design that can be

easily accessed and reproduced.

> >

> > It's come to my attention that in the case of whether to use pdf or jpg,it

appears that sometimes people have difficulty opening a pdf. So, if a jpg

happens to be better, perhaps you could use the jpg. However, if it is better to

do whatever you need to do in pdf, please just use pdf.

> >

> > Violet has just recently got pdf accessibility, it seems with some

considerable effort on her part, which included having to pay for it with her

credit card. Do you think this pdf format would be more difficult for others to

access?

> >

> > Perhaps you could share what are the advantages/disadvantages between using

jpg or pdf?

> > My computer paper size is 8 1/2x 11 - I'm asuming this is what's meant by

the term A4?

> >

> > Pure.faith 108, I've found that the print in the Identity/Resurrection

pamphlet (and possibly in the Religions chart) with Shri Mataji's photo is

fairly small for some people, if 4 pamphlets to a page are used. However, if

only 2 copies to a page are printed, this challenge is solved.

> >

> > Another possibility to be able to increase the font size and provide more

room for the added URLs input might be to avoid a border. However, I've found

it's advantageous to be able to have some indication of where to cut the four or

two pamphlets if they're taken to the photocopy location to be cut by

individuals.

> >

> > What would you advise re the print size? Might it be possible to produce a

sample for forum members to determine what they think re various points?

> >

> > Could you explain what you mean by the 'pamphlet in special format'?

> >

> > Would it be as in the following info for the Identitiy/Resurrection pamphlet

but CENTERED attractively for easy readability and formatted for easy access?

> >

> >

> >

> > DIVINE FEMININE Adi Shakti THE KINGDOM OF GOD

> >

> > Sahaja Yoga

> > " spontaneous union "

> >

> > " You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the

power that created you. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> > " Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for

this Special Time, that is, the Resurrection Time. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> >

> >

> > PHOTO OF SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI with Her name underneath

> >

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> >

> >

> > " These are the times described in the Holy Bible as the Last Judgment and in

the Koran as Qiyamah - the Resurrection Time. Astrologically it is also called

the Age of Aquarius, the Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on

the Earth. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> > " In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called

as Shri Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for

them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last

Judgment. " -Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

> >

> >

> > http://www.adishakti.org

> >

> > http://www.adi-shakti.org

> >

> > http://www.holyspirit-shekinah.org

> >

> > http://www.al-qiyamah.org

> >

> > http://www.great-spirit-mother.org

> >

> > http://www.aykaa-mayee.org

> >

> > http://great-spirit-mother.org

> >

> > http://www.tao-mother.org

> >

> >

> >

> > It's questionable whether ALL URLS will fit.

> >

> > Thank you, all, for your input and efforts.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Gerlinde

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Violet " <violetubb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jagbir, " sahaja_joga " <pure.faith108@> and All,

> > > >

> > > > So far there is (1) edit and the following suggested additional

information for the Religious Chart:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A./ 1 Edit only

> > > >

> > > > Location: last Title/Category at top right-hand of chart

> > > > Presently reads: 'Cool Breeze'

> > > > Suggested to read: 'Proof of evidence of Second Birth'

> > > >

> > >

> > > Suggested to read: either i)Proof of Second Birth or ii)

> > > Eschatological Evidence*

> > >

> > > There should be a note for the asterik which should read:

> > >

> > > *Eschatological Evidence of Second Birth/Resurrection/Qiyamah/Self-

> > > Realization/Kundalini Awakening/Opening of Dsam Dwar/Opening of

> > > Sahasrara Chakra

> > >

> > > The above is what i mean by " panoramic view of the Blossom Time " . The

> > > word " eschatological " should be added to give pamphlet the immense

> > > strength of religious faith. The Blossom Time is all about fulfilled

> > > eschatology.

> > >

> > > We should delete Native American for the time being as it is not a

> > > relgion. It is best we stick onto the major religions as they have

> > > more in common. i do not feel comfortable with trying to portray

> > > Native American as a religion given the fact that they have no Holy

> > > Scripture. Moreover, extremely few people follow Native American

> > > spiritualism i.e., non-natives. Adding it will be a definite liabilty,

> > > all the more if we are to attract the religious masses, many of whom

> > > will regard and reject it as paganism.

> > >

> > > " Paganism

> > >

> > > The term has been defined broadly, to encompass all of the religions

> > > outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity,

> > > and Islam. The group so defined includes most of the Eastern

> > > religions, Native American religions and mythologies, as well as non-

> > > Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will

> > > not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local

> > > or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of

> > > pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a

> > > living mythology which explains religious practice.[3]

> > >

> > > The term " pagan " is a Christian adaptation of the " gentile " of

> > > Judaism, and as such has an inherent Abrahamic bias, and pejorative

> > > connotations among Western monotheists,[4] comparable to heathen, and

> > > infidel also known as kafir (����) and mushrik in Islam. For this

> > > reason, ethnologists avoid the term " paganism, " with its uncertain

> > > and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths,

> > > preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism,

> > > pantheism, or animism; however others criticise the use of these

> > > terms, claiming that these are only aspects that different faiths may

> > > share and do not denote the religions themselves. "

> > >

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> > > >

> > > > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > > > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> > > >

> > >

> > > i believe 'Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga' is best as it emphasizes the

> > > transition from the Age of Darkness to the Age of Truth.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> > > >

> > >

> > > We should never corrupt the Truth. Buddhists will be aghast with such

> > > a speculation that has absolutely no basis.

> > >

> > > The end column of Christianity should have the extra " wind " deleted.

> > >

> > > regards to all,

> > >

> > > jagbir

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > B./ .....Additions

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1. 'Native American' Category (Box 1)

> > > >

> > > > (Box 2)--presently reads: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman'

> > > > Suggestion: 'Sacred White Buffalo Calf Woman/Mother Earth'

> > > >

> > > > (Box 3)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'Most holy connection to Great Spirit/Wakan

Tanka/Tunkashila'

> > > >

> > > > Note: The suggestion for (Box 3) is derived from the information in this

excerpt:

> > > >

> > > > " I am reminded time and time again, that to most all North American

Indian tribes, the spiritual meaning of the color white represents the most holy

connection to the Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka, Tankashilah, or by the many other

names by which the Creator is known. A symbol of purity, life, renewal, good,

and peace. It is a color universally recognized as pure and representing good. "

> > > >

> > > > http://www.indiandogs.com/whitespirit.htm

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > (Box 4)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'Open Door'

> > > >

> > > > (Box 5)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'Purification Day/Mystery Egg/Fifth World/Pahana (the true

White Brother Messiah')

> > > >

> > > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'The Tree of Peace/The White Pine'

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2. 'Hinduism' Category (Box 1)

> > > >

> > > > (Box 5)--presently reads 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga'

> > > > Suggestion: 'Kali Yuga/Krita Yuga/Satya Yuga'

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. 'Buddhism' Category (Box 1)

> > > > (Box 6)--no info at present

> > > > Suggestion: 'Bodh Gaya Tree, under which Buddha reached Enlightenment'

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4. >Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if

possible>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Could we please have the chart amended to accommodate the latest

suggestions, if you are happy with them, and then we'll be able to see how the

Religions Chart is progressing along!

> > > >

> > > > love to all,

> > > >

> > > > violet

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " magdca "

<gerlindesattler@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > I'd like to offer for your added consideration, some additions (or

> > > > > simply points of interest for now) to the religions chart - if they

> > > > > are deemed to be correct:

> > > > >

> > > > > Native Americans: Divine Feminine (Mother) - Sacred White Buffalo

> > > > > Calf Woman, Mother Earth

> > > > >

> > > > > Kingdom of God - Open Door

> > > > >

> > > > > The Age - Purification Day. " The great day of Purification has

> > > > > been described as a " Mystery Egg " in which the forces...culminate

> > > > > in either total REBIRTH or total annihilation " .

> > > > > http://earthchangesmedia.com/breaking/March2000/0307hopi.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > The 'Fifth World' is considered to be the emergence of the new age

> > > > >

> > > > > Pahana-(the Messiah)- this seems to refer to the expected true

> > > > > White Brother, perhaps similar to Shri Jesus Christ/Kalki

> > > > >

> > > > > Subtle System - This is likely to be The Tree of Peace, the White

> > > > > Pine since this tree also has four roots..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hinduism: AGE - I'd probably also mention Satya Yuga in addition to

> > > > > Krita Yuga

> > > > >

> > > > > Buddhism: Subtle System - could this be the Bodh Gaya ?? the tree

> > > > > under which the Buddha reached Enlightenment??

> > > > >

> > > > > Zoroastrianism and Jainism are still to be developed also, if

> > > > > possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rather than using 'cool Breeze as the final Heading, I'd change it

> > > > > to 'Proof' or 'Evidence of Second Birth'

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Gerlinde

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

This is the latest update of the Religious Chart from Gerlinde:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/religions_chart.xls

 

Suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

 

regards,

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir,

 

Fantastic--it printed out with no problems!

 

violet

 

 

, " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> This is the latest update of the Religious Chart from Gerlinde:

>

> http://www.adishakti.org/religions_chart.xls

>

> Suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

>

> regards,

>

> jagbir

>