80,000 SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of the Kingdom of God from completion

[Guest guest]

, Bertrand Tietcheu <btietcheu

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet and All,

> I am now realising how stupid was I to follow these organisations

going out there called Sahaja Yoga, frankly now i can realise it,

when i look back the last four year I have been practising SYSSR. The

damage is serious, but anyway I have to move now the other way, by

following the holy ghost within me, just that and announce the Divine

Message of Resurrection and Collective emancipation of the Humankind.

Its takes time to get rid of all the conditionnings and fears

developed by this SYSSR.

> Now I have started with my inner jihad.

> Thanks for your wisdom

>  

> Bertrand

>

 

Dear Bertrand and all,

 

i am 100% convinced that the SYSSR is very destructive for your

spiritual ascent and salvation as it corrupts and induces you to

believe that keeping the subtle system clean (with the aid of rituals

requiring lemons, chillies, footsoaks, candles, mantras etc.) and

propagating that SYSSR message to others is what Sahaja Yoga is

about. There is an evil force within the SY organization that has

managed to suppress and corrupt the very reason God Almighty sent the

Comforter. It is without question the greatest of crimes against

humanity. If you have been following the recent posts then you will

realize who is causing them to deviate.

 

So do not support the SY organization in any way as it is the very

reason the Message of the Comforter has been so effectively

suppressed. Bertrand, if that is not anti-Christ then what is? 80,000

SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of

the Kingdom of God from completion! Bertrand, you are literally

supposed to remove an eye or cut off a limb if it hinders you in any

way from entering the Kingdom of God. You are supposed to openly and

at all times fearlessly declare the Good News of the Kingdom of God.

Leaving the SY organization and completely cutting yourself from it

is the only choice left if you truly understand how severe is the

Saviour's dire warning.

 

As i said before, you will associate yourself with this anti-Christ

organization at your own peril. And let me make it absolutely clear

to all who support it that under no circumstance whatsoever will it

survive! Absolutely not ....... and its decades-old demise is

evidence of that assured outcome and finality. (John Noyce, the WCASY

appointed watch-dog of this forum can take this email and present it

to Shri Mataji. i will stand by every word, and that includes the

anti-Christ nature of the SY organization!)

 

Shri Mataji has claimed that She has come to do the job of God

Almighty. And to prove that, amongst many other aspects of Her Advent

and Message, is our sacred and most blessed duty. She will help you

with all the information, creativity and means to fulfil your desire:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/_/granting_of_the_spirit_of_holiness_is_viewed_as_yet_t\

o_take_place_in_the_eschatological_future.htm

 

If you want to be that messenger then serving His Spirit (Comforter)

is all that should matter. For that you must be prepared to leave

your family, friends and foes, and the problems associated with them,

behind. And without question you must cut off completely from the

80,000 SYs who are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His

gospel of the Kingdom from being fulfilled. Be forewarned!

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

-------------

 

Past hype of major SY projects and present silence of abandonment

 

Dear All,

 

i received an email stressing that " one cannot have one foot in the

forum and the other one in the collective SY " and that it is " almost

like the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again " . There

was another email about SYs ignoring those active on this forum.

 

To answer both i need to present some facts first.

 

i have been tracking all the major projects and loud claims made by

the SY organization over the last few years. Till date none of them

even remotely met the intended aims and projections .... far from it.

Such is the scope and surety of failure that all major projects have

been quietly shelved in 2009.

 

No matter how much effort is put into SYSSR programs the return is

almost nil or embarrassingly negligible. Remember the huge effort in

Mumbai over the years?

 

" But the stubborn camel will drink one day, or slowly die of thirst

as it is becoming evident everywhere. i recently learnt that out of

about 200,000 people given self-realization over the years in the

Mumbai area only 100 or so have remained i.e., about a success rate

of 0.0002%. i would not want to 'insult' the Adi Shakti by quoting

North American figures. Maybe now we can realize why no figures were

given in the recent hyped-up NA newsletter to commence a spiritual

crusade. "

 

/message/4142

 

There is growing evidence of capitulation by SYs in Europe and North

America, and the world over. You hear almost nothing of any SYs in

Africa, China, South America, Middle-east and Indonesia. SYs are not

only minuscule but stagnated as well in India, Australia, Britain and

elsewhere. There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to any

success in any country! The deafening silence of 2009 signals that.

 

Only the physical presence of an aging, retired and silent Shri

Mataji remains, and give SYs hope and inspiration. Since Her official

retirement last year, 2009 has witnessed a sudden abandonment of past

projects. There is now almost no hope or evidence that the SYSSR will

ever succeed, a fact made obvious by this post and recent dismal web

reports of www.sahajayoga.org. The day Shri Mataji leaves will

trigger that assured end and disintegration of the SYSSR organization.

 

So what is there to worry or care that " one cannot have one foot in

the forum and the other one in the collective SY " and that it

is " almost like the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us

again " , and that SYs are ignoring those active on this forum. i am

not the least concerned about these petty problems from SYs who

dislike us for the simple reason that we insist they tell the advent

and message of Shri Mataji in its entirety i.e., they be truthful and

honest to the public. i feel embarrassed to have to deny speculation

that the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again when it is

almost devoid of life itself! That speculation makes no sense.

 

All these useless speculations and distractions (negativity) only

divert our attention from accomplishing the ONLY project 80,000 SYs

refuse to participate in - the Project to tell the Truth! (What is

the nature of the negativity that have silenced so many for so long?)

 

i, for one, do not want that negativity to attack me from those i am

contact with. It has nothing to do with being the messengers of Al

Naba (The Great News). If you want to be that messenger then serving

His Spirit (Comforter) is all that should matter. For that you must

be prepared to leave your family, friends and foes, and the problems

associated with them, behind. i hope i have put this issue to rest

once and for all. There is so much of productive and enriching work

over the years to be done. To be disturbed by such pettiness indeed

insults both intelligence and conscience.

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir, Violet, Bertrand and all,

 

i join Jagbir in his saying :

 

"As i said before, you will associate yourself with this anti-Christ organization at your own peril. And let me make it absolutely clear to all who support it that under no circumstance whatsoever will it survive! Absolutely not ....... and its decades-old demise is evidence of that assured outcome and finality. (John Noyce, the WCASY appointed watch-dog of this forum can take this email and present it to Shri Mataji. i will stand by every word, and that includes the anti-Christ nature of the SY organization! )Shri Mataji has claimed that She has come to do the job of God Almighty. And to prove that, amongst many other aspects of Her Advent and Message, is our sacred and most blessed duty. She will help youwith all the information, creativity and means to fulfil your desire...."

Truth does not fear investigation!

 

Jay Shri Adi Shakti!

 

With love

nicole--- On Fri, 2/10/09, adishakti_org <adishakti_org wrote:

adishakti_org <adishakti_org 80,000 SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of the Kingdom of God from completion Date: Friday, 2 October, 2009, 1:51 PM

adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, Bertrand Tietcheu <btietcheu@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Jagbir, Violet and All,> I am now realising how stupid was I to follow these organisations going out there called Sahaja Yoga, frankly now i can realise it, when i look back the last four year I have been practising SYSSR. The damage is serious, but anyway I have to move now the other way, by following the holy ghost within me, just that and announce the Divine Message of Resurrection and Collective emancipation of the Humankind. Its takes time to get rid of all the conditionnings and fears developed by this SYSSR.> Now I have started with my inner jihad.> Thanks for your wisdom> >

Bertrand> Dear Bertrand and all,i am 100% convinced that the SYSSR is very destructive for your spiritual ascent and salvation as it corrupts and induces you to believe that keeping the subtle system clean (with the aid of rituals requiring lemons, chillies, footsoaks, candles, mantras etc.) and propagating that SYSSR message to others is what Sahaja Yoga is about. There is an evil force within the SY organization that has managed to suppress and corrupt the very reason God Almighty sent the Comforter. It is without question the greatest of crimes against humanity. If you have been following the recent posts then you will realize who is causing them to deviate. So do not support the SY organization in any way as it is the very reason the Message of the Comforter has been so effectively suppressed. Bertrand, if that is not anti-Christ then what is? 80,000 SYs are 'crucifying'

Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of the Kingdom of God from completion! Bertrand, you are literally supposed to remove an eye or cut off a limb if it hinders you in any way from entering the Kingdom of God. You are supposed to openly and at all times fearlessly declare the Good News of the Kingdom of God. Leaving the SY organization and completely cutting yourself from it is the only choice left if you truly understand how severe is the Saviour's dire warning.As i said before, you will associate yourself with this anti-Christ organization at your own peril. And let me make it absolutely clear to all who support it that under no circumstance whatsoever will it survive! Absolutely not ....... and its decades-old demise is evidence of that assured outcome and finality. (John Noyce, the WCASY appointed watch-dog of this forum can take this email and present it to Shri Mataji. i will

stand by every word, and that includes the anti-Christ nature of the SY organization! )Shri Mataji has claimed that She has come to do the job of God Almighty. And to prove that, amongst many other aspects of Her Advent and Message, is our sacred and most blessed duty. She will help youwith all the information, creativity and means to fulfil your desire:http://www.adishakt i.org/_/granting _of_the_spirit_ of_holiness_ is_viewed_ as_yet_to_ take_place_ in_the_eschatolo gical_future. htmIf you want to be that messenger then serving His Spirit (Comforter) is all that should matter. For that you must be prepared to leave your family, friends and foes, and the problems associated with them, behind. And without question you must cut off

completely from the 80,000 SYs who are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of the Kingdom from being fulfilled. Be forewarned!regards to all,jagbir------------ --------- --------- --------- -------Past hype of major SY projects and present silence of abandonmentDear All,i received an email stressing that "one cannot have one foot in theforum and the other one in the collective SY" and that it is "almostlike the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again". Therewas another email about SYs ignoring those active on this forum.To answer both i need to present some facts first.i have been tracking all the major projects and loud claims made bythe SY organization over the last few years. Till date none of themeven remotely met the intended aims and projections .... far from it.Such is the scope and surety of failure that all major

projects havebeen quietly shelved in 2009.No matter how much effort is put into SYSSR programs the return isalmost nil or embarrassingly negligible. Remember the huge effort inMumbai over the years?"But the stubborn camel will drink one day, or slowly die of thirstas it is becoming evident everywhere. i recently learnt that out ofabout 200,000 people given self-realization over the years in theMumbai area only 100 or so have remained i.e., about a success rateof 0.0002%. i would not want to 'insult' the Adi Shakti by quotingNorth American figures. Maybe now we can realize why no figures weregiven in the recent hyped-up NA newsletter to commence a spiritualcrusade."http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/ message/4142There is growing evidence of capitulation by SYs

in Europe and NorthAmerica, and the world over. You hear almost nothing of any SYs inAfrica, China, South America, Middle-east and Indonesia. SYs are notonly minuscule but stagnated as well in India, Australia, Britain andelsewhere. There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to anysuccess in any country! The deafening silence of 2009 signals that..Only the physical presence of an aging, retired and silent ShriMataji remains, and give SYs hope and inspiration. Since Her officialretirement last year, 2009 has witnessed a sudden abandonment of pastprojects. There is now almost no hope or evidence that the SYSSR willever succeed, a fact made obvious by this post and recent dismal webreports of www.sahajayoga. org. The day Shri Mataji leaves willtrigger that assured end and disintegration of the SYSSR organization.So what is there to worry or care that "one cannot have one foot inthe forum

and the other one in the collective SY" and that itis "almost like the SY Organisation is making its inroads on usagain", and that SYs are ignoring those active on this forum. i amnot the least concerned about these petty problems from SYs whodislike us for the simple reason that we insist they tell the adventand message of Shri Mataji in its entirety i.e., they be truthful andhonest to the public. i feel embarrassed to have to deny speculationthat the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again when it isalmost devoid of life itself! That speculation makes no sense.All these useless speculations and distractions (negativity) onlydivert our attention from accomplishing the ONLY project 80,000 SYsrefuse to participate in - the Project to tell the Truth! (What isthe nature of the negativity that have silenced so many for so long?)i, for one, do not want that negativity to attack me from

those i amcontact with. It has nothing to do with being the messengers of AlNaba (The Great News). If you want to be that messenger then servingHis Spirit (Comforter) is all that should matter. For that you mustbe prepared to leave your family, friends and foes, and the problemsassociated with them, behind. i hope i have put this issue to restonce and for all. There is so much of productive and enriching workover the years to be done. To be disturbed by such pettiness indeedinsults both intelligence and conscience.regards to all,jagbir

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, BOUGANTOUCHE Nicole

<nicole_bougantouche wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir, Violet, Bertrand and all,

>  

> i join Jagbir in his saying :

>  

> " As i said before, you will associate yourself with this anti-

Christ organization at your own peril. And let me make it absolutely

clear to all who support it that under no circumstance whatsoever

will it survive! Absolutely not ....... and its decades-old demise is

> evidence of that assured outcome and finality. (John Noyce, the

WCASY appointed watch-dog of this forum can take this email and

present it to Shri Mataji. i will stand by every word, and that

includes the anti-Christ nature of the SY organization! )

>

> Shri Mataji has claimed that She has come to do the job of God

> Almighty. And to prove that, amongst many other aspects of Her

Advent and Message, is our sacred and most blessed duty. She will

help you with all the information, creativity and means to fulfil

your desire.... "

>

> Truth does not fear investigation!

>  

> Jay Shri Adi Shakti!

>  

> With love

> nicole

>

>

> --- On Fri, 2/10/09, adishakti_org <adishakti_org wrote:

>

 

Dear Nicole, Violet, Bertrand and all,

 

" It states that the Fourth Gospel does not narrate Jesus' baptism but

explains its significance. Since the Holy Spirit descended and

remained on Him, He is singled out as the Son of God who will baptize

with the Holy Spirit (John 1:32-34.) His teachings direct to rebirth

through the Spirit where a new state of being is attained by the

grace of the Spirit — this is the only way of entering the Kingdom of

the Spirit. Water is associated with the Spirit (John 3:5-8; cf

1:13.) However, this salvation of humankind through rebirth can only

take place after His death and exaltation (cf 3:14.) Therefore this

promise of the coming Spirit points to the future: " Now this he said

about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive;

for as yet the Spirit had not been given [or, Spirit was not yet],

because Jesus was not yet glorified " (7:39.) The discourses following

Last Supper hold the key to the narration of the Spirit. It is

referred to as the " paraclete " (Counselor) or " advocate " ,

" intercessor " or more appropriately the Spirit of paraclesis i.e. the

declaration of the comfort and encouragement of the gospel in the

coming age that would fulfill this promise. "

 

Dictionary of the Bible, [Edited by James Hastings],

Charles Scribner's Sons, 1963, p. 393.

 

We ask the 80,000 SYs now 'crucifying' Christ what does this mean:

 

" Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him

were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given [or, Spirit

was not yet], because Jesus was not yet glorified " (7:39.)?

 

Shri Mataji has made it abundantly clear that Jesus Christ is central

to salvation and must be glorified. Even the Quran proclaims that

Jesus is the Sign of the Hour of Resurrection (salvation).

 

Question: Who has the power to overpower 80,000 SYs to go against

Jesus and the Paraclete sent by God Almighty in His name?

Question: What is the nature of the force stopping 80,000 SYs from

glorifying Jesus and the salvation of humankind can take place?

Question: How is the power able to convince 80,000 SYs to resist,

reject and demonize the few who refuse to follow their SYSSR?

Question: Why is it that only be leaving the 80,000 SYs can one

glorify Jesus and proclaim the Message of the Paraclete?

 

That power neither comes from God, Jesus, nor the Comforter Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi as it induces you to suppress, deceive and lie

about the truth. That power neither comes from God, Jesus, nor the

Paraclete as it overpowers your conscience to be truthful towards

fellow humans. That power neither comes from God, Jesus, nor the

Advocate as it makes you immune to repeated pleas to act like self-

realized souls. That power neither comes from God, Jesus, nor the

Intercessor as it has always resisted and battled the Divine for

human souls! That power has now completely taken over the SY

Organization and removed all traces of the Comforter sent by God

Almighty in the name of the Savior Jesus Christ! That is why we know

that 80,000 SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His

gospel of the Kingdom of God from completion.

 

regards to all,

 

 

jagbir

 

>

> adishakti_org <adishakti_org

> 80,000 SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ

again by preventing His gospel of the Kingdom of God from completion

>

> Friday, 2 October, 2009, 1:51 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> adishakti_sahaja_ yoga@ .com, Bertrand Tietcheu <btietcheu@

...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jagbir, Violet and All,

> > I am now realising how stupid was I to follow these organisations

> going out there called Sahaja Yoga, frankly now i can realise it,

> when i look back the last four year I have been practising SYSSR. The

> damage is serious, but anyway I have to move now the other way, by

> following the holy ghost within me, just that and announce the Divine

> Message of Resurrection and Collective emancipation of the Humankind.

> Its takes time to get rid of all the conditionnings and fears

> developed by this SYSSR.

> > Now I have started with my inner jihad.

> > Thanks for your wisdom

> >  

> > Bertrand

> >

>

> Dear Bertrand and all,

>

> i am 100% convinced that the SYSSR is very destructive for your

> spiritual ascent and salvation as it corrupts and induces you to

> believe that keeping the subtle system clean (with the aid of rituals

> requiring lemons, chillies, footsoaks, candles, mantras etc.) and

> propagating that SYSSR message to others is what Sahaja Yoga is

> about. There is an evil force within the SY organization that has

> managed to suppress and corrupt the very reason God Almighty sent the

> Comforter. It is without question the greatest of crimes against

> humanity. If you have been following the recent posts then you will

> realize who is causing them to deviate.

>

> So do not support the SY organization in any way as it is the very

> reason the Message of the Comforter has been so effectively

> suppressed. Bertrand, if that is not anti-Christ then what is? 80,000

> SYs are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His gospel of

> the Kingdom of God from completion! Bertrand, you are literally

> supposed to remove an eye or cut off a limb if it hinders you in any

> way from entering the Kingdom of God. You are supposed to openly and

> at all times fearlessly declare the Good News of the Kingdom of God.

> Leaving the SY organization and completely cutting yourself from it

> is the only choice left if you truly understand how severe is the

> Saviour's dire warning.

>

> As i said before, you will associate yourself with this anti-Christ

> organization at your own peril. And let me make it absolutely clear

> to all who support it that under no circumstance whatsoever will it

> survive! Absolutely not ....... and its decades-old demise is

> evidence of that assured outcome and finality. (John Noyce, the WCASY

> appointed watch-dog of this forum can take this email and present it

> to Shri Mataji. i will stand by every word, and that includes the

> anti-Christ nature of the SY organization! )

>

> Shri Mataji has claimed that She has come to do the job of God

> Almighty. And to prove that, amongst many other aspects of Her Advent

> and Message, is our sacred and most blessed duty. She will help you

> with all the information, creativity and means to fulfil your desire:

>

> http://www.adishakt i.org/_/granting _of_the_spirit_ of_holiness_ is_viewed_

as_yet_to_ take_place_ in_the_eschatolo gical_future. htm

>

> If you want to be that messenger then serving His Spirit (Comforter)

> is all that should matter. For that you must be prepared to leave

> your family, friends and foes, and the problems associated with them,

> behind. And without question you must cut off completely from the

> 80,000 SYs who are 'crucifying' Jesus Christ again by preventing His

> gospel of the Kingdom from being fulfilled. Be forewarned!

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -------

>

> Past hype of major SY projects and present silence of abandonment

>

> Dear All,

>

> i received an email stressing that " one cannot have one foot in the

> forum and the other one in the collective SY " and that it is " almost

> like the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again " . There

> was another email about SYs ignoring those active on this forum.

>

> To answer both i need to present some facts first.

>

> i have been tracking all the major projects and loud claims made by

> the SY organization over the last few years. Till date none of them

> even remotely met the intended aims and projections .... far from it.

> Such is the scope and surety of failure that all major projects have

> been quietly shelved in 2009.

>

> No matter how much effort is put into SYSSR programs the return is

> almost nil or embarrassingly negligible. Remember the huge effort in

> Mumbai over the years?

>

> " But the stubborn camel will drink one day, or slowly die of thirst

> as it is becoming evident everywhere. i recently learnt that out of

> about 200,000 people given self-realization over the years in the

> Mumbai area only 100 or so have remained i.e., about a success rate

> of 0.0002%. i would not want to 'insult' the Adi Shakti by quoting

> North American figures. Maybe now we can realize why no figures were

> given in the recent hyped-up NA newsletter to commence a spiritual

> crusade. "

>

> http://groups. / group/adishakti_ sahaja_yoga/ message/4142

>

> There is growing evidence of capitulation by SYs in Europe and North

> America, and the world over. You hear almost nothing of any SYs in

> Africa, China, South America, Middle-east and Indonesia. SYs are not

> only minuscule but stagnated as well in India, Australia, Britain and

> elsewhere. There is not a single shred of evidence pointing to any

> success in any country! The deafening silence of 2009 signals that.

>

> Only the physical presence of an aging, retired and silent Shri

> Mataji remains, and give SYs hope and inspiration. Since Her official

> retirement last year, 2009 has witnessed a sudden abandonment of past

> projects. There is now almost no hope or evidence that the SYSSR will

> ever succeed, a fact made obvious by this post and recent dismal web

> reports of www.sahajayoga. org. The day Shri Mataji leaves will

> trigger that assured end and disintegration of the SYSSR organization.

>

> So what is there to worry or care that " one cannot have one foot in

> the forum and the other one in the collective SY " and that it

> is " almost like the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us

> again " , and that SYs are ignoring those active on this forum. i am

> not the least concerned about these petty problems from SYs who

> dislike us for the simple reason that we insist they tell the advent

> and message of Shri Mataji in its entirety i.e., they be truthful and

> honest to the public. i feel embarrassed to have to deny speculation

> that the SY Organisation is making its inroads on us again when it is

> almost devoid of life itself! That speculation makes no sense.

>

> All these useless speculations and distractions (negativity) only

> divert our attention from accomplishing the ONLY project 80,000 SYs

> refuse to participate in - the Project to tell the Truth! (What is

> the nature of the negativity that have silenced so many for so long?)

>

> i, for one, do not want that negativity to attack me from those i am

> contact with. It has nothing to do with being the messengers of Al

> Naba (The Great News). If you want to be that messenger then serving

> His Spirit (Comforter) is all that should matter. For that you must

> be prepared to leave your family, friends and foes, and the problems

> associated with them, behind. i hope i have put this issue to rest

> once and for all. There is so much of productive and enriching work

> over the years to be done. To be disturbed by such pettiness indeed

> insults both intelligence and conscience.

>

> regards to all,

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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