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August 12, 2008

Pancha Samskaram.

Dear Sevarthis.

Sub: Pancha Samskaram..

It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc.

It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage.

In this context, two clarifications will greatly help.

If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct.

The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple.

With all humility and Respects.

Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote:

RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM

Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows:

Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same,

In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis,

After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi,

That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts},

Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait,

This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail.

As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi,

In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule,

Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage,

For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram,

Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule,

There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas,

Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam,

Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!!

One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas;

That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi.

They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!!

When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc.,

That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi.

Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing.

Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram,

So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day,

There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram,

Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul,

We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya,

With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths,

OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back.

There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow,

Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives,

Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi,

HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!}

Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some "Random Thoughts" in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar,

Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage.

It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others.

The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval.

Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R.--- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote:

ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM

Respected Elders,

I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage.

Pls. correct me if I am wrong.

Adiyen,

Tenpirai A.Ranganathan

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August 12, 2008

Dear Sevarthis,

Sriman KRK has raised valid points.

Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man.

Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful.

HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail.

Warmest Regards.

Daasan RR.

________________________

On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200 wrote:

Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help.

If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote:

RR <shrirr

Re: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM

Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows:

Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram,

Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas;

That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi.

They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!!

When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc.,

That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.

Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing.

Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul,

We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some " Random Thoughts " in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.

However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar,

Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage.

It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others.

The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval.

Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote:

ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in >

(unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM

Respected Elders,

I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage.

Pls. correct me if I am wrong.

Adiyen,

Tenpirai A.Ranganathan

+91-9840688833

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August 13, 2008

Dear Sevarthis and specially Sri RR,

My grateful thanks for elucidation. I am pretty sure that there will be no ambiguity after the expert consultations..In case of any options, our Acharya's opinion which has to be accepted and cannot be contradicted by even the Divine Couple, can guide. us

With all humility and Respects,.

Adiyen KRK.

--- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote:

RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 7:22 PM

Dear Sevarthis,

Sriman KRK has raised valid points.

Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man.

Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful.

HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail.

Warmest Regards.

Daasan RR.

____________ _________ ___

On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help.

If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: (unknown)andavan@ .comTuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM

Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows:

Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram,

Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas;

That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi.

They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!!

When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc.,

That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing.

Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul,

We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some "Random Thoughts" in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar,

Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage.

It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others.

The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval.

Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote:

ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM

Respected Elders,

I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage.

Pls. correct me if I am wrong.

Adiyen,

Tenpirai A.Ranganathan

+91-9840688833

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August 13, 2008

Dear Sevarthis,

The Srikaryam Swami could not be reached as he is busy in his daily Aradhanams.

But adiyen contacted his Prathama Sishya and Salakshana Ganapati

Vaduvur Govindachariar Swami {Director of our Srimath Andavan Veda Patasala at Vaduvur} and would convey his advice:

There is strictly no bar as per Saastras in a Kanya Stree getting Pancha Samskaram done by her Acharya,Then she becomes a full fledged Sishyai of that Acharya, recites

the Guru Parampara Thanians of that Acharya Vargam and carries out the

household duties in relation to various Karmas & Samskarams,The problem is a practical one - if she gets married to

a boy of say another Sampradayam {an Andavan Asramam Sishyai getting

married to a boy of Sri Parakala Mutt or Sri Ahobila Mutt Paramapara or vice versa},The boy and/or his family may say OK, you have already performed PS,

you continue to do all household activities and continue to recite your

Acharya's Thanians, we have no issue with that,That is a very happy confluence of events - BUT - this may NOT happen in most cases - in fact it will NOT happen in most cases!!

Unfortunately, this is a male dominated world {sorry, this is

controversial - maybe it is justified in this instance - maybe it is not - it is the male who

gets to do - if at all - all religious karmas in the house!},If the husband insists as he will in most cases, she will have to perform PS again - There will be more complexity - we have come across very very rare cases of double PS!

This gets even more tricky, because she will have to recite the Thanians of her new Acharya Vargam & She must continue to recite the Thanians of her original Acharya Vargam as well - that can never be ignored all her life -

More complications if the boy's family is very " broad minded " and

insists that she must recite their Thanians of their Acharya Vargam

only - if she is forced, it will be a terrible Apachaaram allround!!Saastras or any SriVaishnavaite Grantham do not prohibit a Kanya Stree from performing PS but these are the complications for which a practical solution is yet to be found.

As & when adiyen contacts the Srikaryam Swami for his views, further posting will result!!Vachika Doshaha Kshandavya:

Warmest Regards.Daasan RR.

_

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200 wrote:

Dear Sevarthis and specially Sri RR,

My grateful thanks for elucidation. I am pretty sure that there will be no ambiguity after the expert consultations..In case of any options, our Acharya's opinion which has to be accepted and cannot be contradicted by even the Divine Couple, can guide. us

With all humility and Respects,.

Adiyen KRK.

--- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote:

RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan

Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 7:22 PM

Dear Sevarthis,

Sriman KRK has raised valid points.

Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man.

Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful.

HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail.

Warmest Regards.

Daasan RR.

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On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help.

If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: (unknown)andavan@ .com

Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM

Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows:

Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram,

Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas;

That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi.

They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!!

When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc.,

That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.

Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing.

Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul,

We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some " Random Thoughts " in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.

However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar,

Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage.

It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others.

The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval.

Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote:

ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)

andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM

Respected Elders,

I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage.

Pls. correct me if I am wrong.

Adiyen,

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Dear Sevarthis,Sub: Prapatthi

'Prapatthi' has been quite often portrayed as

an act requiring stiff qualifications or orthodoxy out of reach for many. Our

Acharyas have benevolently performed Prapatthi for one & all {ezhai

ethalan ennamal etc.,}. Many self appointed custodians of SriVaishnavism have created a

virtual scare – over the past few decades – that drives away more & more

Sevarthis from this single most important act of any SriVaishnavaite {or any

Jeevaraasi for that matter}.

Later on in this article, we will see that

the best qualification for Prapatthi is that you don't have or need any

qualification at all {kai mudhal onrum illa adiyen}!

The renaissance of

interest amongst the generationext requires that we project Prapatthi in an

appropriate manner to clear their doubts thereof and motivate them to perform

Prapatthi.

SRIMAD ANDAVAN THE 'AVARICIOUS ACHARYA'

HH Srimad Srimushnam Andavan's Sapthathi

Souvenir carried a brilliant article on HH titled "The Avaricious Acharya" by Sadagopan

Iyengar Swami of Coimbatore. The Swamin has brilliantly captured the essence of

SriVaishnavism in just a few paragraphs.

This 'avarice' of HH is because he is never

satisfied with 1000's of Prapatthi or Saranagathi already performed by Him on

behalf of Sishyas, surrendering their Soul {or Aatmaa} to Sriman Narayana, the

Lord of All Creation, Universes, Galaxies, Milkyways etc.,

HH is an 'avaricious Acharya' as He is always

eager to perform many 1000's more Prapatthis, release those Aatmaas from the

never ending cycle of births & deaths {Punarabi Jananam Punarabi Maranam}

and transmit them to SriVaikuntam where they will become Mukthas in the service of

the Lord.

ACHARYAS

BENEDICTION

The fact that our Acharyas have willingly

performed Prapatthi for one & all without bothering about such

'disqualifications' should by itself clear the reservations of these Vyakthis.

Adiyen felt that an article aimed at clearing such doubts & reservations

would be appropriate and sought the Niyamanam of HH.

The idea is many 1000's more of the Sevarthis

have to come forward and enable this Great Acharya to continue His 'Avaricious'

activity – Perform Prapatthi & convey their souls to the Lotus feet of Sriman

Narayana at SriVaikuntam.

Any merit in these submissions is entirely due

to the everlasting grace & teachings of HH Srimad Andavan – all errors are

entirely due to adiyen's 'brilliance' & 'competence'!

ACHARYA

PARAMPARA THANIYAN

LAKSHMINATHA SAMAARAMBAAM NATHA YAMUNA {MUNI}

MADHYAMAAM

ASMATH ACHARYA PARYANTHAM VANDE GURU

PARAMAPARAM

We daily recite in our Seva Kaalam &

Perumal Acharya Sambavanai Kramam:

"Sriman Nathamuni Srimad Yamuna Muni Sri Ramanuja Muni roopa Munithreya Siddantha

Staapanaacharya ….".

SRI ALAVANDHAR'S PRAPATTHI

Sri ALavandhAr {Srimad Yaamuna Muni}, the

Acharya Sreshta & Pracharyan of Sri Ramanuja Muni, performs His Prapatthi

in His Sthothram 22 of Sthothra Rathnam:

"na dharma nishtosmi na sathmavedi

na

bhakthiman twath saranaravinde

AkinchanOn

ananyagathic Saranya:

twath

paadamoolam Saranam prapathye"

Saranya – O Lord, Sriyapathiaana Sriman Narayana,

Dhamanishta

na asmi – I am not capable so I have not performed

karma yogam as prescribed in Srutis & Dharma Saastras,

Atmavedhi

sa na asmi – I am not competent in Veda Adhyayanam

or Adhyapanam & I am not capable so I have not performed Gnaana yogam to

follow the Karma Yogam,

Twath

saranaravinde bhakthiman na asmi – I am not capable

of & have not performed Bhakthi Yogam by surrendering at to Your Lotus

feet,

Akinchanan – I do not have any capital or credit except the huge load of sins

that I carry over through several births,

Ananyagathi – I have no other person/s to save me or uplift my soul to your

lotus feet,

Twath

paadamoolam Saranam prapathye – So I fall at your

Lotus Feet in total unconditional surrender!!

Sri ALavandhAr, a great Savant and a Kula

Koodasthar of SriVaishnavism portrays himself as an akinchanan & the what

is our status!?!

HH Sri ALavandhAr was one of the greatest

scholars ever to be born, ruled over a half kingdom won in a debate with

AkkiyAzhvAn {the Prathama Asthana Vidwan in the Chozha Kingdom}, thereafter renounced the kingdom

& became an Acharya under the directions of His grandfather and Pracharyan

Sriman Nathamuni! His magnum opus is called the Sthothra Rathnam as it comprises 65 Stothrams of rarest quality on

the Sriman Narayana.

There are 3 Rathnams in Indian Philosophy –

Dwayam is called Mantra Rathnam,

SRIMAN NARYANASCHA SARANOU SARANAM PRAPATHYE,

SRIMATHE NARAYANAYA NAMA: {NAMAHA}

Sri Vishnu Puranam is called Purana Rathnam,

HH Sri ALavandhAr's offering is called the Sthothra Rathnam. While all 65 are

rarest of rare gems, Stothram No. 22 dealing with Sri ALavandhAr's own

Prapatthi depicts in four lines the Soul & Jeevan of the Srivaishnavaite

Philosophy!!

In all recorded history, Sri ALavandhAr was

one of the handful of SriVaishnavaite Savants capable & competent to perform

Karma Yogam, Gnaana Yogam & Bhakthi Yogam in seriatim. Such was His Anushtanams

to perform the ordained Karmas, Boundless Gnanam, deep rooted Bhakthi.

But the great Savant wanted to emphasize the

most important message of SriVaishnavaite Philosophy!! With His Sauseelyam

{lowering from the highest pedestal and equating with ordinary mortals like

ourselves}, Sri ALavandhAr portrays himself as an Akinchanan incapable of

performing Karma Yogam, Gnaana Yogam & Bhakthi Yogam & so performs Prapatthi at the Lotus Feet

of Sriman Narayana!!

{to be continued}Warmest Regards.

Daasan RR.________________________________

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, RR <shrirr wrote: