Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Hi Madam Kala.. Your faith in Him is really great. That will really take you to heights. In our current status it is almost impossible for us to be detached from material things. We have to be materialistic atleast for our basic existence with which only it is possible for us to pursue HIM. It is by His mercy that you are able to live through the trials and tribulations. It is said that the problems we face happen due to karma vinai. We may have to undergo it and we cannot escape it by suiciding. By suiciding the problem could become worser than anyone's imagination. Probably we are better off by undergoing the difficulties and completing it. Though by the mercy of Lord you have decided against suicide, I want to share some info on this so that our members can prevent suicides. I came to know through a learned person about what happens after suicide, Just sharing it for the benefit of the members. Here it goes. =============== The scriptures state that one who commits suicide will have to remain as a ghost for the period of time that one's body was supposed to exist. A ghost is nothing but a person with no physical body. According to the sankhya system, our body is made up of two coverings, the sukshma-sharira (subtle body) and the sthula-sharira (gross body). The gross body is made up of the panca-bhutas (earth, water, fire, air and ether), and the subtle body is made up of the mind (manas), intelligence (buddhi) and identification (ahankara). It is the subtle body which accompanies the soul into the next body at the time of death. The gross physical body has a particular duration of existence based on one's prarabdha karma. When one commits suicide, one brings one's physical body to an end prior to it having completed it's alloted time. One's next body is prepared in the akasha, ready to manifest at the end of one's alloted time (the normal death of one's physical body). Thus if one was supposed to live for 100 years, one's next body will be waiting for you after that 100 years. If for some reason one were to commit suicide at the age of 50, then one's next body will not be ready, and one will remain in an ethereal state until the ballance 50 years of existence pass. This state of existing as a ghost is a great suffering for the individual, as they lack the senses through which to act. The desires to act remain, as the mind, intelligence and identification of the subtle body are still existing. But lacking a physical body with senses, it becomes impossible to satisfy the desires one has. This leads to a hellish state of existence for the soul. One may deliver a friend or relative from this ethereal existence, and put them back on their path, by performing Vishnu puja. This is known as the shraddha ceremony, wherein food is sanctified by offering it to Vishnu, and the remnants are offered to the forefathers for their purification. If any of the forefathers had been in such a ghostly situation, they would become delivered by receiving the blessings of Vishnu prasadam. For those who are unable to perform the sraddha ceremony, the chanting of Vishnu's names should be performed, either in japam or through group bhajana. Govinda-nama-sankirtana is the most powerful method of delivering one's friends and forefathers from negative circumstances, both while they are living and after. ==================== With Best Regards Meyyappan S > Hi to All, > You are all very kind with your words of caring, > encouragement and prayers. I > think I did the right thing but taking the courage > to share my problem(s) with > you all. I am very grateful. > Before I go on thanking each of you, just to let > you know I am a lady and I > am from Singapore. Presently I am doing my Master > in Law in London. The > reason I am here is because of HIM. Just before I > came here for my studies I > went on a temple pilgrimage in Tamil Nadu. I love > going to the temples and > have done so previously with my mom and this time > around I did it with my > father who is the solely responsible for my and my > siblings faith in Hinduism. > It was a great experience for me to visit the > temples with my father who has > a fairly good knowledge of each temple's history. I > have visited all the 6 > Aarupadai veedu of HIS with my mother. However this > time around though I > wanted to do that again, but did not get to go to > Palani and Palamuthri > cholai. But I did go to Maruthamalai. I simply > feel happy when I am there > with HIM - be it MURUGA , SHIVA, PERUMAL, AMMAN - I > feel joy.... There is a > deep personal problem which I am not able to share > with you all at the moment. > As I was not able to cope (suicidal thoughts did > cross my mind then and even > now ) but I decided to resign from my job as I was > not able to perform as my > career is quite demanding most of the times. I have > almost used up all my > savings, I have not paid my full fees here , there > is a problem with my > sponsorship. HE somehow just does not seem right > for me to receive any > financial aid as yet. But I am looking at other > means to raise money, but > that has never been a problem for me. I know HE > will somehow pull me through > the financial, it is the personal problem that eats > me to the core at times. > And that is when I fear that will cost my studies. > Mr Meyappan, I am thankful for the mantras, yes I > will memorise that and will > recite it. Presently I tend to recite OM SARAVANA > BHAVA OM. Yes, I have > read that HE is to be loved for HIS sake. But are > we all HIS children and as > children we are human and do have needs which though > are materialistic but it > is needed for this world, right? Our basic need to > be sheltered, protected, > fed and above all to be Loved by one whom you love > with all your heart , i.e. > mortal love. My love for HIM doesn't diminish but I > know my faith is being > tested and that is when I gain strength from reading > the trials of the great > Saints. I love Vedan Kannapar and admire his pure > love for GOD. However, I > am still an average lady who wants to live life as > any other lady of my age. > So this is when I falter and do tend to be upset > with HIM. But of course it > does not last even for more a few seconds or > minutes. I have thought of being > a nun but am not sure as to how to go out doing it. > > Ms Patricia, I am grateful. Your words are real > encouragement and am glad to > found a friend in you. I am trying to do that- the > switching off part. My > being here in London is a sort of miracle by itself. > I switched of for that > and HE saw me through and now I am here. But HE > then brought a big hurdle. I > know HE will see me through this too. > Mr Thiru, the Kavasams were given to me by one good > MURUGAN devotee. Please > visit the website Kaumaram.com - you will be able to > obtain them there. HE > had a hand in that too but it took me about a year > to listen to the cds. HE > conjured up events for me to do that too. > Mr Senthil, I am grateful to you too. But I did not > receive the attachement > though. When I was at Swamimalai, I did surrender > myself to HIM. Please let > me have the attachement again, if that is not too > time consuming for you. I do > count my blessings too. That is what keeps me > going each day. One of my > blessing at the moment is having met all of you > through this website. > Once again, I am very grateful to each and everyone > for being prompt in your > replies and care and concern. Please do forgive me > if I have said any that > might not be to your liking. > With faith, > Kala M K Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Thank you for your reply to Madam Kala. As a group member reading this, I have found your input very informative. We learn from learned persons like yourself and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. PatriciaMeyyappan S <meyyappan_s wrote: Hi Madam Kala..Your faith in Him is really great. That will reallytake you to heights. In our current status it isalmost impossible for us to be detached from materialthings. We have to be materialistic atleast for ourbasic existence with which only it is possible for usto pursue HIM. It is by His mercy that you are able tolive through the trials and tribulations.It is said that the problems we face happen due tokarma vinai. We may have to undergo it and we cannotescape it by suiciding. By suiciding the problem couldbecome worser than anyone's imagination. Probably weare better off by undergoing the difficulties andcompleting it. Though by the mercy of Lord you havedecided against suicide, I want to share some info onthis so that our members can prevent suicides.I came to know through a learned person about whathappens after suicide, Just sharing it for the benefitof the members. Here it goes.===============The scriptures state that one who commits suicide willhave to remain as a ghost for the period of time thatone's body was supposed to exist. A ghost is nothingbut a person with no physical body. According to thesankhya system, our body is made up of two coverings,the sukshma-sharira (subtle body) and thesthula-sharira (gross body). The gross body is made upof the panca-bhutas (earth, water, fire, air andether), and the subtle body is made up of the mind(manas), intelligence (buddhi) and identification(ahankara). It is the subtle body which accompaniesthe soul into the next body at the time of death. Thegross physical body has a particular duration ofexistence based on one's prarabdha karma. When onecommits suicide, one brings one's physical body to anend prior to it having completed it's alloted time.One's next body is prepared in the akasha, ready tomanifest at the end of one's alloted time (the normaldeath of one's physical body). Thus if one wassupposed to live for 100 years, one's next body willbe waiting for you after that 100 years. If for somereason one were to commit suicide at the age of 50,then one's next body will not be ready, and one willremain in an ethereal state until the ballance 50years of existence pass. This state of existing as aghost is a great suffering for the individual, as theylack the senses through which to act. The desires toact remain, as the mind, intelligence andidentification of the subtle body are still existing.But lacking a physical body with senses, it becomesimpossible to satisfy the desires one has. This leadsto a hellish state of existence for the soul. One maydeliver a friend or relative from this etherealexistence, and put them back on their path, byperforming Vishnu puja. This is known as the shraddhaceremony, wherein food is sanctified by offering it toVishnu, and the remnants are offered to theforefathers for their purification. If any of theforefathers had been in such a ghostly situation, theywould become delivered by receiving the blessings ofVishnu prasadam. For those who are unable to performthe sraddha ceremony, the chanting of Vishnu's namesshould be performed, either in japam or through groupbhajana. Govinda-nama-sankirtana is the most powerfulmethod of delivering one's friends and forefathersfrom negative circumstances, both while they areliving and after. ====================With Best RegardsMeyyappan S> Hi to All, > You are all very kind with your words of caring,> encouragement and prayers. I> think I did the right thing but taking the courage> to share my problem(s) with> you all. I am very grateful. > Before I go on thanking each of you, just to let> you know I am a lady and I> am from Singapore. Presently I am doing my Master> in Law in London. The> reason I am here is because of HIM. Just before I> came here for my studies I> went on a temple pilgrimage in Tamil Nadu. I love> going to the temples and> have done so previously with my mom and this time> around I did it with my> father who is the solely responsible for my and my> siblings faith in Hinduism.> It was a great experience for me to visit the> temples with my father who has> a fairly good knowledge of each temple's history. I> have visited all the 6> Aarupadai veedu of HIS with my mother. However this> time around though I> wanted to do that again, but did not get to go to> Palani and Palamuthri> cholai. But I did go to Maruthamalai. I simply> feel happy when I am there> with HIM - be it MURUGA , SHIVA, PERUMAL, AMMAN - I> feel joy.... There is a> deep personal problem which I am not able to share> with you all at the moment.> As I was not able to cope (suicidal thoughts did> cross my mind then and even> now ) but I decided to resign from my job as I was> not able to perform as my> career is quite demanding most of the times. I have> almost used up all my> savings, I have not paid my full fees here , there> is a problem with my> sponsorship. HE somehow just does not seem right> for me to receive any> financial aid as yet. But I am looking at other> means to raise money, but> that has never been a problem for me. I know HE> will somehow pull me through> the financial, it is the personal problem that eats> me to the core at times. > And that is when I fear that will cost my studies. > Mr Meyappan, I am thankful for the mantras, yes I> will memorise that and will> recite it. Presently I tend to recite OM SARAVANA> BHAVA OM. Yes, I have> read that HE is to be loved for HIS sake. But are> we all HIS children and as> children we are human and do have needs which though> are materialistic but it> is needed for this world, right? Our basic need to> be sheltered, protected,> fed and above all to be Loved by one whom you love> with all your heart , i.e.> mortal love. My love for HIM doesn't diminish but I> know my faith is being> tested and that is when I gain strength from reading> the trials of the great> Saints. I love Vedan Kannapar and admire his pure> love for GOD. However, I> am still an average lady who wants to live life as> any other lady of my age. > So this is when I falter and do tend to be upset> with HIM. But of course it> does not last even for more a few seconds or> minutes. I have thought of being> a nun but am not sure as to how to go out doing it. > > Ms Patricia, I am grateful. Your words are real> encouragement and am glad to> found a friend in you. I am trying to do that- the> switching off part. My> being here in London is a sort of miracle by itself.> I switched of for that> and HE saw me through and now I am here. But HE> then brought a big hurdle. I> know HE will see me through this too. > Mr Thiru, the Kavasams were given to me by one good> MURUGAN devotee. Please> visit the website Kaumaram.com - you will be able to> obtain them there. HE> had a hand in that too but it took me about a year> to listen to the cds. HE> conjured up events for me to do that too. > Mr Senthil, I am grateful to you too. But I did not> receive the attachement> though. When I was at Swamimalai, I did surrender> myself to HIM. Please let> me have the attachement again, if that is not too> time consuming for you. I do> count my blessings too. That is what keeps me> going each day. One of my> blessing at the moment is having met all of you> through this website. > Once again, I am very grateful to each and everyone> for being prompt in your> replies and care and concern. Please do forgive me> if I have said any that> might not be to your liking. > With faith, > Kala M K Do you ? Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 dear mr.meiyappan, what agroups we have for tamil god lord muruga,it is not the group of not only worships to god, the god making us huge friendship along with this group. keep it up, by the grace of my muruga give all ofthem in a wonderful life. SAY MURUGA SARANAM ALWAYS MURUGA SARANAM BYE Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hi Well that was good information given by you. If anyone wants to know more about the birth and Why all we here ? http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/spiritual_teacher_guru.html visit this website and find out why we need teacher in our spirtual life. Well a year back I don't belive these people but now I realised how important it is. I could say I am fortunate to meet Dr Paranjothi Mahan in London when he was in transit for 2 days. After that and practing meditation I could see lot of difference in myself. My thoughts, patience and the way I look into the problems are matured and positive. In this present century we could see many spiritual teachers comming up. Say vedathiri maharisi,Mata Amritanadamayi, Paranjothi Mahan , Sri Sri Shiv Shankar, Sathguru Jagi vasudev etc. To meet spirutual teachers(Guru) we need to take more birth and our karma should be pure. Our Ultimate aim in our life is Enlightment. WHAT EVER HAPPENDS IN OUR LIFE IS GOOD. WHEN WE CAN NJOY THE HAPPIEST MOMENT WHY CAN'T WE NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE. AFTERALL BOTH THESE ARE JUST FEELINGS AND OUR THOUGHTS. NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE THAN ANY HAPPIEST MOMENT, THEN U WON'T FEEL DIPRESSED Endrum anbudan Kannan Krishnaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 dhandapani , " Kannan Krishnaswamy " <kannan_newcastle> wrote: > Hi > Well that was good information given by you. If anyone wants to > know more about the birth and Why all we here ? > > http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/spiritual_teacher_guru.html > > visit this website and find out why we need teacher in our spirtual > life. > Well a year back I don't belive these people but now I realised how > important it is. I could say I am fortunate to meet Dr Paranjothi > Mahan in London when he was in transit for 2 days. After that and > practing meditation I could see lot of difference in myself. My > thoughts, patience and the way I look into the problems are matured > and positive. > In this present century we could see many spiritual teachers > comming up. Say vedathiri maharisi,Mata Amritanadamayi, Paranjothi > Mahan , Sri Sri Shiv Shankar, Sathguru Jagi vasudev etc. To meet > spirutual teachers(Guru) we need to take more birth and our karma > should be pure. Our Ultimate aim in our life is Enlightment. > > WHAT EVER HAPPENDS IN OUR LIFE IS GOOD. > WHEN WE CAN NJOY THE HAPPIEST MOMENT WHY CAN'T WE NJOY THE SADDEST > PART OF LIFE. AFTERALL BOTH THESE ARE JUST FEELINGS AND OUR THOUGHTS. > > NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE THAN ANY HAPPIEST MOMENT, THEN U WON'T > FEEL DIPRESSED > > Endrum anbudan > Kannan Krishnaswamy Well thanks for all the stuff in the E-Mail. But remember Buddhism is quite different from Hinduism. The base of Buddhism itself is against many Hindu Philosophies, although Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism, and there are some areas of consensus. || Thiruchitrambalam || || Muruga Sharanam || Regards. Group Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 dhandapani , " Kannan Krishnaswamy " <kannan_newcastle> wrote: > Hi > Well that was good information given by you. If anyone wants to > know more about the birth and Why all we here ? > > http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/spiritual_teacher_guru.html > > visit this website and find out why we need teacher in our spirtual > life. > Well a year back I don't belive these people but now I realised how > important it is. I could say I am fortunate to meet Dr Paranjothi > Mahan in London when he was in transit for 2 days. After that and > practing meditation I could see lot of difference in myself. My > thoughts, patience and the way I look into the problems are matured > and positive. > In this present century we could see many spiritual teachers > comming up. Say vedathiri maharisi,Mata Amritanadamayi, Paranjothi > Mahan , Sri Sri Shiv Shankar, Sathguru Jagi vasudev etc. To meet > spirutual teachers(Guru) we need to take more birth and our karma > should be pure. Our Ultimate aim in our life is Enlightment. > > WHAT EVER HAPPENDS IN OUR LIFE IS GOOD. > WHEN WE CAN NJOY THE HAPPIEST MOMENT WHY CAN'T WE NJOY THE SADDEST > PART OF LIFE. AFTERALL BOTH THESE ARE JUST FEELINGS AND OUR THOUGHTS. > > NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE THAN ANY HAPPIEST MOMENT, THEN U WON'T > FEEL DIPRESSED > > Endrum anbudan > Kannan Krishnaswamy Well thanks for all the stuff in the E-Mail. But remember Buddhism is quite different from Hinduism. The base of Buddhism itself is against many Hindu Philosophies, although Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism, and there are some areas of consensus. || Thiruchitrambalam || || Muruga Sharanam || Regards. Group Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Even the Vaishnavites of the Krishna Consciousness group do strongly belive in necessity of a spiritual master. They say the one should associate with people of the satsangha and try to be with pious and like minded people. Their Guru will automatically manifest to them by the will of the Lord, once they qualify themselves for receiving such a guidance towards realisation. Steadfastness could achieve it. MURUGA SARANAM Meyyappan S dhandapani , " Kannan Krishnaswamy " <kannan_newcastle> wrote: > Hi > Well that was good information given by you. If anyone wants to > know more about the birth and Why all we here ? > > http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/spiritual_teacher_guru.html > > visit this website and find out why we need teacher in our spirtual > life. > Well a year back I don't belive these people but now I realised how > important it is. I could say I am fortunate to meet Dr Paranjothi > Mahan in London when he was in transit for 2 days. After that and > practing meditation I could see lot of difference in myself. My > thoughts, patience and the way I look into the problems are matured > and positive. > In this present century we could see many spiritual teachers > comming up. Say vedathiri maharisi,Mata Amritanadamayi, Paranjothi > Mahan , Sri Sri Shiv Shankar, Sathguru Jagi vasudev etc. To meet > spirutual teachers(Guru) we need to take more birth and our karma > should be pure. Our Ultimate aim in our life is Enlightment. > > WHAT EVER HAPPENDS IN OUR LIFE IS GOOD. > WHEN WE CAN NJOY THE HAPPIEST MOMENT WHY CAN'T WE NJOY THE SADDEST > PART OF LIFE. AFTERALL BOTH THESE ARE JUST FEELINGS AND OUR THOUGHTS. > > NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE THAN ANY HAPPIEST MOMENT, THEN U WON'T > FEEL DIPRESSED > > Endrum anbudan > Kannan Krishnaswamy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi Well I was not talking about buddhism but the content in that website is true and fact. It answers many question. http://www.vivekananda.org/archivedReadings.asp This website above also gives good information. Cheers kannan krishnaswamy dhandapani , " R.Sivaramakrishna Sharma " <dhandapani@s...> wrote: > dhandapani , " Kannan Krishnaswamy " > <kannan_newcastle> wrote: > > Hi > > Well that was good information given by you. If anyone wants to > > know more about the birth and Why all we here ? > > > > http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/spiritual_teacher_guru.html > > > > visit this website and find out why we need teacher in our spirtual > > life. > > Well a year back I don't belive these people but now I realised > how > > important it is. I could say I am fortunate to meet Dr Paranjothi > > Mahan in London when he was in transit for 2 days. After that and > > practing meditation I could see lot of difference in myself. My > > thoughts, patience and the way I look into the problems are matured > > and positive. > > In this present century we could see many spiritual teachers > > comming up. Say vedathiri maharisi,Mata Amritanadamayi, Paranjothi > > Mahan , Sri Sri Shiv Shankar, Sathguru Jagi vasudev etc. To meet > > spirutual teachers(Guru) we need to take more birth and our karma > > should be pure. Our Ultimate aim in our life is Enlightment. > > > > WHAT EVER HAPPENDS IN OUR LIFE IS GOOD. > > WHEN WE CAN NJOY THE HAPPIEST MOMENT WHY CAN'T WE NJOY THE SADDEST > > PART OF LIFE. AFTERALL BOTH THESE ARE JUST FEELINGS AND OUR > THOUGHTS. > > > > NJOY THE SADDEST PART OF LIFE THAN ANY HAPPIEST MOMENT, THEN U > WON'T > > FEEL DIPRESSED > > > > Endrum anbudan > > Kannan Krishnaswamy > > Well thanks for all the stuff in the E-Mail. > > But remember Buddhism is quite different from Hinduism. The base of > Buddhism itself is against many Hindu Philosophies, although Buddhism > is an offshoot of Hinduism, and there are some areas of consensus. > > > || Thiruchitrambalam || > || Muruga Sharanam || > > Regards. > Group Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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