Digest Number 199

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Sri Keshava Rao wrote:-

 

>It is like a Christian debating a Muslim about the validity of the

>Koran -- it is a matter of belief.)

 

Not really. Muslims and Christians do not have common source. But

these philosophical schools have same source " vedas " etc. There

was an absolute necessity for the correct interpretation of

vedas etc.

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A statement like this shows that Sri Keshva Rao's knowledge of Scriptures

of other religions is very shallow. I quote directly from " The Holy

Qur'an " itself

the following verses:

Sura' 2, Ayat (Verse) 62

 

Those who believe (in the Qur'an)

And those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures)

And the Christians and the Sabians,

Any who believe in Allah

And the Last Day,

And work righteousness,

Shall have their reward

With their Lord on them

Shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

 

Quran is full of such statements. Muslims, Christians and Jews recognise

common patriarchs like Abraham(Ibrahim) Moses (Moosa), Jacob (Yakoob),

Joseph(Yusuf), Samuel(Ismael) and even Jesus is Isa in Qur'an.

 

I have personally seen in the library of Madhva Vidya Peeta at Mulund in

Bombay, the original large sets of Qur'an. When I asked the senior Acharya

in charge of the library, why they have kept the book of other religions,

the Acharya said, " Qur'an and Bible " preach a very 'Katta' Dvaita

philosophy and we want our students to know about these other books. If you

have not studied their book, then your argument with them will be

baseless " !

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Further Sri Keshava Rao wrote:

 

Why should the discussion be treated as " fanatical " or " intolerant " ?

The main purpose is to arrive at the truth. For those disinterested in

these discussions, their goal is only a " delete button " away.

 

For this Gopala Krishna Potti wrote:-

 

Of course, as you and others suggested, always a delete button is there and

I can bet that most of the members will start using it more frequently if

this trend is continued.

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I agree with him. If discussions are made without basis more delete buttons

will be pressed.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Rajaram Cavale.

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Dr. Cavale:

 

I normally do not make postings on the VMS list or anywhere, as I am quite happy

to just be following the discussion that more enlightened people are engaged in.

However, now I am compelled to write to set at right some statements you have

made in your post.

 

>>Sri Keshava Rao wrote:-

>>It is like a Christian debating a Muslim about the validity of the

>>>Koran -- it is a matter of belief.)

 

> Not really. Muslims and Christians do not have common >source. But

>these philosophical schools have same source " vedas " >etc

 

I am absolutely sure you have misunderstood the quote of Sri Kesava Rao.

Muslims and CHristians do have a common source, as you rightly point out later.

Jews stop with the Old Testament an ddo not accept antyhting after that.

Christians go further, to the New Testament. Muslims are two stages further,

stopping with Muhammad, as the last prophet. The Zoroastrians go further, and

Baha'ais go even further, stopping at the 19th century. In this way, a

CHristian does not accept the Koran which the Muslim will swear by, and

therefore Kesava Rao's statement stands.

 

Also, IN defense of Kesava Rao, I must say that he is a formidable scholar. His

weakness is this: that he does not boast enough. At a recent meeting I told him

that he needs to be more forthright and assertive. In response, he quoted

Jayatheertha, and said " When Jayatheertha says he unalbe to fathom the ocean of

knowledge, who am I? " , a very humbling thought indeed.

 

But I do not want you to extrapolate from this incident alone. During the

Jayatheertha Aradhana (in Sri Bindu MAdhavan's house, as all attnedees will

fondly recall)I specifically questioned him about the comparative strengths of

Christian and Hinu philosophy. I came away not only satisfied with his

explanation, but also very impressed with his depth of knowledge of other

religions.

 

Regards,

Arvind Acharya

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Sri Raja R Cavale wrote on Sat., Nov. 06:

 

> Sri Keshava Rao wrote:-

>

> >It is like a Christian debating a Muslim about the validity of the

> >Koran -- it is a matter of belief.)

>

> Not really. Muslims and Christians do not have common source. But

> these philosophical schools have same source " vedas " etc. There

> was an absolute necessity for the correct interpretation of

> vedas etc.

> --------

> A statement like this shows that Sri Keshva Rao's knowledge of Scriptures

> of other religions is very shallow.

 

I fully agree that my knowledge of scriptures of other religions is very

shallow. But my statement has been misread completely. See below.

 

> I quote directly from " The Holy Qur'an " itself

> the following verses:

> Sura' 2, Ayat (Verse) 62

>

> Those who believe (in the Qur'an)

> And those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures)

> And the Christians and the Sabians,

> Any who believe in Allah

> And the Last Day,

> And work righteousness,

> Shall have their reward

> With their Lord on them

> Shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

>

> Quran is full of such statements. Muslims, Christians and Jews recognise

> common patriarchs like Abraham(Ibrahim) Moses (Moosa), Jacob (Yakoob),

> Joseph(Yusuf), Samuel(Ismael) and even Jesus is Isa in Qur'an.

>

> I have personally seen in the library of Madhva Vidya Peeta at Mulund in

> Bombay, the original large sets of Qur'an. When I asked the senior Acharya

> in charge of the library, why they have kept the book of other religions,

> the Acharya said, " Qur'an and Bible " preach a very 'Katta' Dvaita

> philosophy and we want our students to know about these other books. If you

> have not studied their book, then your argument with them will be

> baseless " !

> ------------

 

Please, read before you write. I never said there is no similarity

and there are no common/similar things/names between the two. I said

that they do not have a common source. If you can not see the

difference between the two statements

" Muslims and Christians do not have common source " and

" Muslims and Christians do not have similarities " and give a baseless

argument, it reminds me your own statement

" We should start keeping our house in order first before we set

to correct others. "

 

Since when is Khoran a source for Christians and Bible a source for

Christians? One does not have to go to Mulund to know that " Qur'an and

Bible " preach a very 'Katta' Dvaita philosophy. All these three

religions (Islam, Christianinty and Dvaita) have some common things

like God is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-present, the soul is

different from God and every soul needs the grace of God at all times.

So what? Do they have common source? On the other hand all the three

schools of vedic origin treat vedas as ultimate source and authority.

 

> Further Sri Keshava Rao wrote:

>

> Why should the discussion be treated as " fanatical " or " intolerant " ?

> The main purpose is to arrive at the truth. For those disinterested in

> these discussions, their goal is only a " delete button " away.

>

> For this Gopala Krishna Potti wrote:-

>

> Of course, as you and others suggested, always a delete button is there and

> I can bet that most of the members will start using it more frequently if

> this trend is continued.

> ---------

> I agree with him. If discussions are made without basis more delete buttons

> will be pressed.

 

Is this supposed to be a threat? Those who are interested will always

read the discussions and those who are not will never read. There is no

new news here.

 

Regards,

Keshava Rao

 

> Yours sincerely,

>

> Rajaram Cavale.

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