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dhandapani , " Raji Iyer " <kavayyaar> wrote:

> http://murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm

 

hi all,

what do you think about this article? Although iam a no good

historian, i think i have some rationale mind. The age of alexander

is around 300b.c. but there are many places in tamilnadu having

murugan temples older than 300 b.c. even the author cites one example,

but is not able to disprove it convincingly. And the author has talked

only about words, but very less and almost nothing about statues.

 

Samanurith

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Yes, I agree with you. Not only Alexander and

Murugan, there are also a lot of parallels between the

ancient Greeks and the Aryans - regarding their

customs, the deities they worshipped etc. But you

cant say Greeks and Aryans are the same. They're

often referred to as " Greek cousins " of Aryans.

 

But one point is to be noted. The ruins of

Mohenjodaro & Harappa in present day Pakistan display

a Dravidian civilization. And this civilization is

historically dated to be over 2000 B.C. And Murugan -

though directly related to Lord Shiva, Goddess Parvati

and Lord Ganesh - is very much a Tamil deivam; and

Tamil is the language of the Dravidians.

 

So the comparison between Alexander and Murugan is

interesting, I tend to believe it is more like a

" Greek cousin " parallel, rather than call Alex and

Murugan one and the same. This is my individual

thinking. And I too believe that Murugan belief

originated way before Alex crossed the Caucacus

mountains and came to India.

 

Its quite fascinating to think that ancient Tamils may

actually have lived in the North.

 

I'd love to hear from any history-learned person on

this matter. It would be relevant, since we're all

very very ardent fans and followers of Lord Murugan,

and it would also be very informative about Indian

culture as a whole.

 

Patricia

 

--- samanurith <samanurith wrote:

 

> dhandapani , " Raji Iyer "

> <kavayyaar> wrote:

> > http://murugan.org/research/gopalapillai.htm

>

> hi all,

> what do you think about this article? Although iam

> a no good

> historian, i think i have some rationale mind. The

> age of alexander

> is around 300b.c. but there are many places in

> tamilnadu having

> murugan temples older than 300 b.c. even the author

> cites one example,

> but is not able to disprove it convincingly. And the

> author has talked

> only about words, but very less and almost nothing

> about statues.

>

> Samanurith

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fortunately for historians and scholars, Alexander's

retinue included

not only soldiers but also a handful of learned

scholars whose job it

was to record details of Alexander's march and the

lands they passed

through. Portions of those written records either

survived or were

cited in later documents that survive. On the other

hand, Indian

civilization, or at least Indian scholarship of those

days, did not

attach much importance to secular activities or to

prose writings in

general. So often our most reliable records are those

of foreigners

like the Greeks and Chinese who kept systematic

records, typically in

the forms of diaries.

 

Because we know the dates of Alexander's incursion

into India, there

is not much room for debate excpet in minor details,

like whether the

young Chandragupta actually met Alexander, or not.

From textual

analyses and from archeaological findings, it is plain

that the

worship of Skanda Kumara in the North and Murugan in

the South

preceeded Alexander's incursion by a few centuries, if

not millennia

in the case of Murugan.

 

There is, therefore, the temptation to speculate about

how Indians

themselves viewed Alexander. Indian civilization (and

with it the

Indian pantheon of deities) extended at that time into

present day

Afghanistan, where many kingdoms chose to surrender to

Alexander's

army without a fight. How the Greeks viewed matters

may be quite

different from how they, and especially their leader

Alexander, were

viewed by others. The Alexander Romances may preserve

elements of how

Indians and other peoples in Alexander's path viewed

him, or

remembered him.

 

It is interesting to note that the historical

Alexander's favorite

weapon was the lance. This lance however was not a

short spear to be

hurled, but a long (10-12 feet or longer) pole wielded

from horseback,

rather like those used much later by medieval knights.

Like Skanda or

Murugan, Alexander was a remarkably young

generalissimo who, rather

than to lead from behind, chose to charge ahead of his

own men into

battle. And yet, although he was grievously injured

many times (he

once boasted that he bore wounds from every weapon

known to man at the

time) he never lost a battle, and died young not in

battle, but from a

disease or illness complicated by heavy drinking.

 

In an age before printing and modern media, people did

not know even

what their own king looked like, but formed their

impressions from

tales and legends, poems and songs. This being the

case, how would the

average man or woman distinguish between Alexander the

generalissimo,

and Skanda the generalissimo? There were other

fascinating parallels

as well. As Skanda was already very well known as a

young god of war

and wisdom, and Alexander was also famous for his

wisdom and

compassion as an administrator, how could the average

Indian (or

pandit for that matter) avoid drawing a comparison

between Skanda and

Alexander?

 

It all comes down to pure speculation in the absence

of any hard

evidence one way or the other, of course. There is no

way to prove or

disprove anything in the complete absence of records.

But it is

tempting to conclude that some Indians, perhaps many

Indians, looked

upon Alexander as an embodiment or avatara of

Karttikeya.

 

--

Patrick Harrigan

www.Anathi.org

 

 

On 9/27/05, Patricia Jay <patriciajay2000

wrote:

> Yes, I agree with you. Not only Alexander and

> Murugan, there are also a lot of parallels between

the

> ancient Greeks and the Aryans - regarding their

> customs, the deities they worshipped etc. But you

> cant say Greeks and Aryans are the same. They're

> often referred to as " Greek cousins " of Aryans.

>

> But one point is to be noted. The ruins of

> Mohenjodaro & Harappa in present day Pakistan

display

> a Dravidian civilization. And this civilization is

> historically dated to be over 2000 B.C. And Murugan

-

> though directly related to Lord Shiva, Goddess

Parvati

> and Lord Ganesh - is very much a Tamil deivam; and

> Tamil is the language of the Dravidians.

>

> So the comparison between Alexander and Murugan is

> interesting, I tend to believe it is more like a

> " Greek cousin " parallel, rather than call Alex and

> Murugan one and the same. This is my individual

> thinking. And I too believe that Murugan belief

> originated way before Alex crossed the Caucacus

> mountains and came to India.

>

> Its quite fascinating to think that ancient Tamils

may

> actually have lived in the North.

>

> I'd love to hear from any history-learned person on

> this matter. It would be relevant, since we're all

> very very ardent fans and followers of Lord Murugan,

> and it would also be very informative about Indian

> culture as a whole.

>

> Patricia

 

Patrick Harrigan

Network Administrator

Living Heritage Network http://livingheritage.org/lh_network.htm

Murugan Bhakti Network http://murugan.org

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