Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 dhandapani , " Mr Palanivel P.K. " <pk_palanivel wrote: > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <pathma@> wrote: To: > akandabaratam > > " Pathmarajah Nagalingam " <pathma@> > > Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:42:01 -0000 > > [akandabaratam] Agamas are Available > > The Kamika and Karana agamas is now available in scanned pdf > format at the > > site below. It is in grantha and in Tamil. As can be readily seen, > grantha IS > > ancient tamil script. And to think the agamas are ALL in grantha > and are only > > available in south India, not one in the north, not even in Kasi.! > > > > The english intro file is damaged and does not open but I am sure > it will be > > corrected in a day. > > > > I hope some tamil scholars translate at least some selected > passages as soon as > > possible into english so as to give us an idea of what it contains > and says. The > > whole world cant wait for the agamas to be translated as I'm sure > it will give > > clues about antiguity, icon worship, Gods and the the then jaati > system. > > > > I'm also sure the agamas will spell the end of varna and eclipse > sanskrit, and by > > extension the sanskrit Varnashraama Texts. In case anyone is > missing the point, > > the original 28 agamas alone is several times over more voluminous > than the 4 > > vedas and all upanishads! > > > > Kauai Aadheenam is engaged in translating all of them into english > but its going > > to take some time. > > > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/agamas/ > > > > Pathmarajah It seems that the person who has posted this article (originally) is totally confused, dis-oriented and possibly deluded. First of all, If my information is correct, all 28 Shiva-Agamas, Kumara Agama, and Devi-Agama, are all Sanskrit Granthas (Works). I don't see the point of eclipsing? It does not make any sense at-all. If at all, then it should have been history, since not all of the Agamas are currently available to all. Besides Agamic worship borrows many Mantras from the Vedas. If in doubt ask about the use of Vedic Mantras any shivacharya for clarification. You may yourself notice the archaka uttering mantras during abhishekam, arathi etc. Next the point of voluminous. The sentence cited above ( " The Original.... " ) is absolute non-sense(sorry for the harsh words, but that's what it is). The person who has written has absolutely no knowledge of either the Vedas, Upanishads or for that matter the Agamas itself. For the kind information of readers - there is nothing like " Original 28 Agamas " . All Agamas are original indeed. It so happens that the 28 " SHIVA AGAMAS " are said to be older, which again is debatable. The Aitreya shaka Rig-Veda contains around 10,000 or Odd Riks. A rik is a mantra, set to a particular metre (Chandas) invoking a particular Deity (Devata). One Rik is approximately the size of One Shloka (Hymn) with approx. 15 - 20 words. That makes it the size ofapprox. 12000 Slokas, taking into consideration that some riks are even bigger. That is only ONE SHAKA. The Pantajali Mahahashyam records 21 such Shakhas. That makes it approx. 12,000 * 21 = 2,52,000 Mantras(approx.). This is only the Samhita part. There is also a Brahmana, Aranyaka and Upanishad, and one or more Kalpasutra(s) for each Shakha. It could easily double to 5,00,000 verses or more for Rig Veda itself! That makes it 5 times larger than Mahabharatha itself! and this is only one Veda! Ofcourse of all 21 only the Aitreya Shaka has survived the history and remains the ONLY AVAIlABLE Rig Vedic Shakha. The judgement of the size is left to the readers. This does not mean that Agamas are belittled. Agamas form an important work in Ceremonial Worship in Temples and is indepensible. The 28 Shiva Agamas are said to have been imparted by Lord Siva Himself, when the great rishis were puzzled and confused and totally deserted on how to worship the one without form. Thirumular, the great yogi has given great importance to both The Vedas and Agamas. What a pity, the writter of the original document has totally failed to even understand what he is even talking about. (Then Nattuduaya Shivane Potri, Ellorukkum IraivaPotri) Obeissance to the Lord of South, Oeissance to Him (Lord Somaskanda) who is the Lord the refuge to all (in the Universe). || Thiruchitrambalam || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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