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March 24, 2007

MURUGA SARANAM

25th Mar 2007

Spiritual Stories: Post #35 "

Silence is the True Upadesa"

Dear Members..

There is yet another wonderful story by Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi which is about Silence. Silence is said to be the best Upadesa by a Guru, but is said to be for those who are most advanced in their spiritual endeavour.

From this episode onwards, the series enters into the stories of the Trinity Brahma, Vishnu & Siva. In Vaishnavam, it is said that Lord Vishnu of the Trinity is a kind of incarnation of the Supreme Lord which is again Vishnu Himself. The same is said in Saivam as well I believe where Lord Siva is the supreme Truth above the trinity. I remember Variyar saying Rudra is not Siva. In certain Thiruppugazhs and Kandha Shashti Kavasams (esp, the fifth one) and Skanda Guru Kavasams, Glories of Lord Muruga's The Supreme Lord is sung with great fervour and described much above the Trinity. Swami Vivekananda says our object of worship should be very clear. Though we, out of ignorance, worship to various deities (to even devils in certain cases), if our devotion is true we will raise our worship towards the Supreme Truth and see the deity as the Supreme. In Islam it is very very strictly (in fact harshly) mentioned that we should worship only The Supreme. The same is said in Bible as well, though Christians try to attain salvation through Christ as the Son of The Heavenly Father – The Supreme One.

May All Glories be to The Lord of Kantha Malai !!!

Kantha Malai Muruganukku Arohara !!!

Kayilai Nathanukku Arohara !!!

MURUGA SARANAM

With Best Regards

Meyyappan S

Brahma,Vishnu, Siva

Stories of the Hindu trinity Brahma Vishnu and Siva abound throughout the scriptural literature of India. Although these stories are both entertaining and enlightening Sri Bhagavan also gives a deeper meaning to them, he says, "Siva is the Being assuming all forms and the Consciousness seeing them. That is to say, Siva is the background underlying both the subject and the object. Everything has its being in Siva and because of Siva."

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The Story begins here

Silence is the True Upadesa

Once a devotee came and said that the great sages of the past had travelled extensively preaching the Truth and thus had served the world at large. Similarly, if Bhagavan were to travel thus it would be beneficial to many. Smilingly Bhagavan replied that his being settled in one place was also beneficial and narrated the following story.

BRAHMA, THE LORD of Creation, once lost interest in the work of creation and thought of taking to a life of tapas. So, out of his mind he created Sanaka, Sanatkumara, Sanandana and Sanatsujata, with the intention to hand over to them his job in the course of time. They grew up and mastered all the branches of study. Brahma then decided to hand over to them his job and to retire. Sage Narada came to know of his father's intention. Since Narada knew that his brothers were full of dispassion and fit to be initiated into the path of Self-knowledge, he decided to warn them beforehand of Brahma's intention. On hearing this the four brothers, who had no intention to follow the path of action, left home in search of a guru without informing their father. They all proceeded to Vaikunta, the abode of Vishnu. There they saw Lakshmi sitting on Vishnu's couch massaging His Feet. On seeing this they thought, "How can this family man bound by the intimate glance of his consort render us any help in learning adhyatma vidya. Look at the splendour of this palace and this city! This is enough. Let us seek the help of Lord Siva."

Lord Siva, who was in Kailas with His family, knew beforehand about their coming and understood their plight. He was sure that they would be disappointed on seeing Him with a family, so taking pity on them He decided to impart spiritual knowledge to them. The kind-hearted Lord left Mount Kailas and taking the youthful form of Dakshinamurti seated Himself with Chinmudra under a banyan tree on the Northern side of Lake Manasarovar, on the way by which these disappointed devotees were returning to their homes. When they came and sat before Him, He went into samadhi. He was in Perfect Repose. Silence prevailed. They saw Him. The effect was immediate. They fell into samadhi and their doubts were cleared.

Silence is the true upadesa. It is the perfect upadesa. It is suited only for the most advanced. Others are unable to draw full inspiration from it. Therefore they require words to explain the Truth. But Truth is beyond words. It does not admit of explanation. All that is possible to do is only to indicate it.

Ends

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April 6, 2007

SummA iru in Tamil scriptures...

http://murugan.org/research/jayavelu.htmThere is also a nice article

in Thamizh in Agathiyar.. group I think. When I locate it, I shall

post it as well.

Raji

dhandapani , " S Meyyappan " <smeyyappan

wrote:

>

> *MURUGA SARANAM*

>

> 25th Mar 2007

>

> Spiritual Stories: Post #35 " *Silence is the True

Upadesa* " **

>

> Dear Members..

>

> There is yet another wonderful story by Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi

which is

> about Silence. Silence is said to be the best Upadesa by a Guru,

but is said

> to be for those who are most advanced in their spiritual endeavour.

>

> From this episode onwards, the series enters into the stories of

the Trinity

> Brahma, Vishnu & Siva. In Vaishnavam, it is said that Lord Vishnu

of the

> Trinity is a kind of incarnation of the Supreme Lord which is again

Vishnu

> Himself. The same is said in Saivam as well I believe where Lord

Siva is the

> supreme Truth above the trinity. I remember Variyar saying Rudra is

not

> Siva. In certain Thiruppugazhs and Kandha Shashti Kavasams (esp,

the fifth

> one) and Skanda Guru Kavasams, Glories of Lord Muruga's The Supreme

Lord is

> sung with great fervour and described much above the Trinity. Swami

> Vivekananda says our object of worship should be very clear. Though

we, out

> of ignorance, worship to various deities (to even devils in certain

cases),

> if our devotion is true we will raise our worship towards the

Supreme Truth

> and see the deity as the Supreme. In Islam it is very very strictly

(in fact

> harshly) mentioned that we should worship only The Supreme. The

same is said

> in Bible as well, though Christians try to attain salvation through

Christ

> as the Son of The Heavenly Father – The Supreme One.

>

> *May All Glories be to The Lord of Kantha Malai !!!*

>

> *Kantha Malai Muruganukku Arohara !!!*

>

> *Kayilai Nathanukku Arohara !!!*

>

> * *

>

> *MURUGA SARANAM*

>

> With Best Regards

>

> Meyyappan S

>

> * *

>

> Brahma,

> Vishnu, Siva

>

> Stories of the Hindu trinity Brahma Vishnu and Siva abound

throughout the

> scriptural literature of India. Although these stories are both

entertaining

> and enlightening Sri Bhagavan also gives a deeper meaning to them,

he says,

> " Siva is the Being assuming all forms and the Consciousness seeing

them.

> That is to say, Siva is the background underlying both the subject

and the

> object. Everything has its being in Siva and because of Siva. "

>

> ****

>

> The Story begins here

>

> *Silence is the True Upadesa*

>

> *Once a devotee came and said that the great sages of the past had

travelled

> extensively preaching the Truth and thus had served the world at

large.

> Similarly, if Bhagavan were to travel thus it would be beneficial

to many.

> Smilingly Bhagavan replied that his being settled in one place was

also

> beneficial and narrated the following story. *

>

> BRAHMA, THE LORD of Creation, once lost interest in the work of

creation and

> thought of taking to a life of *tapas*. So, out of his mind he

created

> Sanaka, Sanatkumara, Sanandana and Sanatsujata, with the intention

to hand

> over to them his job in the course of time. They grew up and

mastered all

> the branches of study. Brahma then decided to hand over to them his

job and

> to retire. Sage Narada came to know of his father's intention.

Since Narada

> knew that his brothers were full of dispassion and fit to be

initiated into

> the path of Self-knowledge, he decided to warn them beforehand of

Brahma's

> intention. On hearing this the four brothers, who had no intention

to follow

> the path of action, left home in search of a guru without informing

their

> father. They all proceeded to Vaikunta, the abode of Vishnu. There

they saw

> Lakshmi sitting on Vishnu's couch massaging His Feet. On seeing

this they

> thought, " How can this family man bound by the intimate glance of

his

> consort render us any help in learning *adhyatma vidya*. Look at the

> splendour of this palace and this city! This is enough. Let us seek

the help

> of Lord Siva. "

>

> Lord Siva, who was in Kailas with His family, knew beforehand about

their

> coming and understood their plight. He was sure that they would be

> disappointed on seeing Him with a family, so taking pity on them He

decided

> to impart spiritual knowledge to them. The kind-hearted Lord left

Mount

> Kailas and taking the youthful form of Dakshinamurti seated Himself

with *

> Chinmudra* under a banyan tree on the Northern side of Lake

Manasarovar, on

> the way by which these disappointed devotees were returning to

their homes.

> When they came and sat before Him, He went into *samadhi*. He was

in Perfect

> Repose. Silence prevailed. They saw Him. The effect was immediate.

They fell

> into *samadhi* and their doubts were cleared.

>

> Silence is the true *upadesa*. It is the perfect *upadesa*. It is

suited

> only for the most advanced. Others are unable to draw full

inspiration from

> it. Therefore they require words to explain the Truth. But Truth is

beyond

> words. It does not admit of explanation. All that is possible to do

is only

> to indicate it.

>

> Ends

>

> ********

>

April 7, 2007

MURUGA SARANAM

Thank you very much for both the articles. The one in Tamil was down to earth and easy to understand. The one on Murugan.org website seems very diffcult to comprehend. Probably we need to read a couple of times and contemplate upon its meaning a lot to understand the concepts mentioned. Or probably we need to rise to a different knowledge level through sincere efforts.

Thank you anyway for the pointers.

MURUGA SARANAM

With Best Regards

Meyyappan S

On 06 Apr 2007 21:35:11 -0700, Raji Iyer <kavayyaar wrote:

SummA iru in Tamil scriptures... http://murugan.org/research/jayavelu.htmThere is also a nice article in Thamizh in Agathiyar.. group I think. When I locate it, I shall post it as well.Raji

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