Kanthar Anubhuthi - verse 12

February 1, 2008

Transliteration:

semmaan makaLaith— irudum thirudan,

pemmaan murugan piRavaan niRavaan

summaa iru sollaRa enRalumE,

ammaa poruL onRum aRinThilanE. 12

Meaning:

The Stealer who kidnapped Valli, the red-deer-born;

That Glorious Murugan, deathless and unborn —

When He, speechless, instructed me 'Be Silent,'

What wonder! Even a single object I knew not.

" What a wonder! When Lord Murugan — the Stealer who kidnapped Valli

born of (Lakshmi in the form of) a red deer, the Glorious One, the

birthless and deathless One — instructed me through silence

(speechless Upadesa) to 'be silent,' Lo! I knew no object of the

world. "

Detailed Commentary:

The Lord is the glorious One. His glory is beyond human

understanding. He is immortal, birthless, and deathless. He is not

born nor does He die like us, forced by Karmas. But the Lord appears

in a human form out of His free-will for the sake of His devotees,

which is called an Avatara (descent of God for the salvation of

man). God manifesting Himself in the relative realm is Avatara. It

is in the higher sense, the descent of God-consciousness for the

ascent to it of the Jiva-consciousness.

Skanda Puranam: Murugan — the Stealer of Valli

In verse 6, we have already seen the birth of Valli, through the

deer. Valli developed intense love for the Lord from her birth and

it grew with her age. Knowing this, one day Lord Murugan went in

disguise to the corn-field where Valli was and tested her devotion

to Him in many ways. Being pleased with the steadfastness of her

true devotion to Him, the Lord revealed His identity and assured

that He would soon come to her home and accept her in marriage.

Accordingly, Valli was eagerly awaiting the Lord's coming, day and

night. In the dead of a night, the Lord went to her home and finding

everyone else fast asleep, took her away without the knowledge of

anyone and made her His divine consort. Hence, He is referred to as

the " Stealer of Valli. "

Indeed, the Lord is the greatest and real stealer, as He snatches

away the hearts of people. The stealing of Valli at midnight has a

spiritual significance too. Valli is the Jivatman — the soul

aspiring for communion with the Lord. When the Jiva is determined to

attain the Lord and engages itself in earnest Sadhana, the Lord

tests the Jiva in a variety of ways and finally gives assurance, by

way of inner spiritual experience and conviction, of accepting the

soul, as He did in the case of Valli. The soul now awaits the

blessed moment and is ever vigilant; and the Lord appears when it is

the dead of night, when all are asleep and everything is silent.

When it is all night to the senses, the mind and intellect, i.e.,

when they cease functioning on account of their powers having been

consumed in the fire of the Jiva's aspiration for God, God snatches

away the soul — the higher spiritual consciousness takes possession

of the Jiva. Herein is revealed the secret that the awakening of the

higher spiritual consciousness (which is the appearance of the Lord)

is possible only when the outgoing tendencies of the senses, the

externalizing nature of the mind and the objectifying character of

the consciousness are withdrawn and centered in the heart, which is

the abode of the Self.

Courtesy: Skandagurunatha website

February 2, 2008

Ohm! Sivasaravanabava ! What a beautiful commentary. We r fortunate to hv persons like thiru. ramasamy to get such a deep insight into this most important work of Thiru.Arunaginathar. Incidently, i happened to listen to one learned person by name thiru. Shankaran who interpreted this anubuthi song as follows : "Sri Valli is represents "itcha shakti". By stealing Valli, Lord Murugan removes itcha shakthi from our heart, so that our devotion to him becomes

intense & undisturbed." I feel both these interpretations r soul lifting. In Ramayana we hv a somewhat

similar situation. Mother Sitadevi is Jivathma; Lord Rama is Paramathma. Jivatma is always thinking about union with Paramatma. Paramatma is also longing to unit with Jivatma. Paramaguru Sri Anjaneyar helps the union to take place. Can we consider Sri Naratha Muni as Paramaguru here, as he is instrumental in making Lord Murugan understand the status & whereabouts of Sri Valli ?? ----V. Hariharan r_ramasamy <rramasamy wrote: Transliteration:semmaan makaLaith— irudum thirudan, pemmaan murugan piRavaan niRavaan summaa iru sollaRa enRalumE, ammaa poruL onRum aRinThilanE. 12

Meaning:The Stealer who kidnapped Valli, the red-deer-born; That Glorious Murugan, deathless and unborn — When He, speechless, instructed me 'Be Silent,' What wonder! Even a single object I knew not. "What a wonder! When Lord Murugan — the Stealer who kidnapped Valli born of (Lakshmi in the form of) a red deer, the Glorious One, the birthless and deathless One — instructed me through silence (speechless Upadesa) to 'be silent,' Lo! I knew no object of the world." Detailed Commentary:The Lord is the glorious One. His glory is beyond human understanding. He is immortal, birthless, and deathless. He is not born nor does He die like us, forced by Karmas. But the Lord appears in a human form out of His free-will for the sake of His devotees, which is called an Avatara (descent of God for the salvation of man). God manifesting Himself in the relative realm is Avatara. It is in the higher

sense, the descent of God-consciousness for the ascent to it of the Jiva-consciousness.Skanda Puranam: Murugan — the Stealer of ValliIn verse 6, we have already seen the birth of Valli, through the deer. Valli developed intense love for the Lord from her birth and it grew with her age. Knowing this, one day Lord Murugan went in disguise to the corn-field where Valli was and tested her devotion to Him in many ways. Being pleased with the steadfastness of her true devotion to Him, the Lord revealed His identity and assured that He would soon come to her home and accept her in marriage. Accordingly, Valli was eagerly awaiting the Lord's coming, day and night. In the dead of a night, the Lord went to her home and finding everyone else fast asleep, took her away without the knowledge of anyone and made her His divine consort. Hence, He is referred to as the "Stealer of Valli."Indeed, the Lord is the greatest

and real stealer, as He snatches away the hearts of people. The stealing of Valli at midnight has a spiritual significance too. Valli is the Jivatman — the soul aspiring for communion with the Lord. When the Jiva is determined to attain the Lord and engages itself in earnest Sadhana, the Lord tests the Jiva in a variety of ways and finally gives assurance, by way of inner spiritual experience and conviction, of accepting the soul, as He did in the case of Valli. The soul now awaits the blessed moment and is ever vigilant; and the Lord appears when it is the dead of night, when all are asleep and everything is silent. When it is all night to the senses, the mind and intellect, i.e., when they cease functioning on account of their powers having been consumed in the fire of the Jiva's aspiration for God, God snatches away the soul — the higher spiritual consciousness takes possession of the Jiva. Herein is revealed the

secret that the awakening of the higher spiritual consciousness (which is the appearance of the Lord) is possible only when the outgoing tendencies of the senses, the externalizing nature of the mind and the objectifying character of the consciousness are withdrawn and centered in the heart, which is the abode of the Self.Courtesy: Skandagurunatha website

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February 2, 2008

Dear Haran,

Thank you for your posting.

However the credit should go skandagurunatha website owners.

They have graciously allowed me to post it from their site.

The contents are originally from a book published by Swami Sivananda Ashram, I believe.

In another email thread in this (may be last year) someone has

posted a detailed commentary along the lines of what you have stated for verse 12.

Curiously in the American work " A Course in Miracles'

there are a couple of statements similar in meaning to this verse 12. It has

a Christian background, and it has a Advaita like outlook. i do not have the links immediately

for reference, though.

Regards,

ramasamy

On 2/2/08, haran hari <harimay43 wrote:

February 3, 2008

Adding on to the beautiful lines and message (thanks to Mr.Ramasamy).

Semman magalai thirudum thirudan: The robber of valli, precisely

meaning 'Thaduthaatkolluthal'. Our mother Valli is a representation

of earth, when Mal falls in love at the beauty of Lakshmi (red deer),

valli is born. The deer is always regarded as veda swarupi in our

religion. Valli is a representation of Earth in the purest form of

Veda. Our great Lord, engulfs the plane of Earth as Kaliyuga varatha.

Here in the anubuthi it is said 'Valli padham paniyum' and in

Thiruppugazh 'Isaitha naavinan ithanodu kura magal iru paadam paritha

sekara'. The Lord captures all those who long for him (as valli did)

from the earth. Murugan is a specialist of this thaduthaatkolluthal

concept. He is Knowledge itself, the One above the vedas.

My Lord skanda, has two wives or two embodiments in himself, the

Earthly beings (Valli) and the Heavenly beings (Devayani).

Pemmaan murugan, piravaan - iravaan : Means He is the One. One who

manifests himself in any many forms. One who is above time so He

neither is born or dead - in simple words - Skandan 'uthithanan'.

Summa iru Sol Arra: When the words are spilled, it means total

silence, not meaning the 'keep quiet'. The actual essence is to shut

down the 5 horses of senses and contain the indriyams and our prana

inside the 9 exits. This is virtually impossible for the living

saints and leave alone the samsaari.

Am maa porul ondrum arinthilene: This humble servant is still

wondering how that can be done.

Bhakti is the easiest and best way to get to the Lord, Valli did not

penance as Devayani did, she has the great privelege of Skanda going

in search of her. Instead of Summa iru... we speak of the Lord and

his leelas, he do manasega abishekam and mantrams, we say the last

verse of Anubuthi at all times,then... the Lord comes to you.

I have to mention two important points here.

1. Guru Arunagiri, the greatest of all Skanda devotees was done

initiation when he jumped the Arunachala tower. The time he talks of

Anubuthi is when he is in the form of a Parrot (Anubuthi is - Kili

sonna vedha utporul). The period between his initiation and

transformation to a parrot must be atleast 30 - 35 years. He had

meditated on the Lord for 12 years prior to beginning the works of

Thirupugazh at Vayalur temple (contrary to popular belief that he

composed after his fall - thanks to tamil cinema). The point of

fascination here is, even after doing the 12 year rigorous penance,

he still is unable to comprehend the verse of Summa iru Sol Arra.

2. Magnanimity of our Lord: Guru Arunagiri had always feared the

emotional bonds, especially post his death. Many a time he foresees

them in his verses ('Anayum enai arugilura, veruvi azha uravum azha'

song Arivazhiya mayal peruga of Chendur), as one such example. His

fear was pronounced that if you see how his passage happened it looks

plain drama but the Lord took into account the wish of his devotee.

If Arunagiri had returned to his mortal case after the flower

episode, he would have lived and passed as a human saint. That

involves his sutrum - natpum - bandamum soozha perum parai muzhanga

oru marana vaibhavam. However, he sits on the Lords shoulder and

sings Anubuthi and merges his soul into eternity. He has no final

rights performed as his astral planes do not exist in a non human

form. So the Lord, takes all our little thoughts in to place.

Bhakti - maanasega vazhi paadu and dharma deeds are the way for the

21st century.

Om Saravana bhava

-- Ravi Venugopal

Naalaya pozhutu endrum namakena vaazhga

Athai nadatha oruvan undu, kovilil kaanga.

dhandapani , " r_ramasamy " <rramasamy wrote:

>

> Transliteration:

>

> semmaan makaLaith— irudum thirudan,

> pemmaan murugan piRavaan niRavaan

> summaa iru sollaRa enRalumE,

> ammaa poruL onRum aRinThilanE. 12

>

> Meaning:

>

> The Stealer who kidnapped Valli, the red-deer-born;

> That Glorious Murugan, deathless and unborn —

> When He, speechless, instructed me 'Be Silent,'

> What wonder! Even a single object I knew not.

>

> " What a wonder! When Lord Murugan — the Stealer who kidnapped Valli

> born of (Lakshmi in the form of) a red deer, the Glorious One, the

> birthless and deathless One — instructed me through silence

> (speechless Upadesa) to 'be silent,' Lo! I knew no object of the

> world. "

>

> Detailed Commentary:

>

> The Lord is the glorious One. His glory is beyond human

> understanding. He is immortal, birthless, and deathless. He is not

> born nor does He die like us, forced by Karmas. But the Lord

appears

> in a human form out of His free-will for the sake of His devotees,

> which is called an Avatara (descent of God for the salvation of

> man). God manifesting Himself in the relative realm is Avatara. It

> is in the higher sense, the descent of God-consciousness for the

> ascent to it of the Jiva-consciousness.

>

> Skanda Puranam: Murugan — the Stealer of Valli

> In verse 6, we have already seen the birth of Valli, through the

> deer. Valli developed intense love for the Lord from her birth and

> it grew with her age. Knowing this, one day Lord Murugan went in

> disguise to the corn-field where Valli was and tested her devotion

> to Him in many ways. Being pleased with the steadfastness of her

> true devotion to Him, the Lord revealed His identity and assured

> that He would soon come to her home and accept her in marriage.

> Accordingly, Valli was eagerly awaiting the Lord's coming, day and

> night. In the dead of a night, the Lord went to her home and

finding

> everyone else fast asleep, took her away without the knowledge of

> anyone and made her His divine consort. Hence, He is referred to as

> the " Stealer of Valli. "

>

> Indeed, the Lord is the greatest and real stealer, as He snatches

> away the hearts of people. The stealing of Valli at midnight has a

> spiritual significance too. Valli is the Jivatman — the soul

> aspiring for communion with the Lord. When the Jiva is determined

to

> attain the Lord and engages itself in earnest Sadhana, the Lord

> tests the Jiva in a variety of ways and finally gives assurance, by

> way of inner spiritual experience and conviction, of accepting the

> soul, as He did in the case of Valli. The soul now awaits the

> blessed moment and is ever vigilant; and the Lord appears when it

is

> the dead of night, when all are asleep and everything is silent.

> When it is all night to the senses, the mind and intellect, i.e.,

> when they cease functioning on account of their powers having been

> consumed in the fire of the Jiva's aspiration for God, God snatches

> away the soul — the higher spiritual consciousness takes possession

> of the Jiva. Herein is revealed the secret that the awakening of

the

> higher spiritual consciousness (which is the appearance of the

Lord)

> is possible only when the outgoing tendencies of the senses, the

> externalizing nature of the mind and the objectifying character of

> the consciousness are withdrawn and centered in the heart, which is

> the abode of the Self.

>

> Courtesy: Skandagurunatha website

>

February 5, 2008

Muruga Saranam

Vetrivel Muruganukku Arohara !!!

Thanks a million to all of you who posted on the " Semman Magalai ... " verse. Every interpretation was exciting to read and made my birth meaningful and life worth living.

Thanks again.

Muruga Saranam

With Best Regards

Meyyappan S

On Feb 3, 2008 8:01 PM, Ravi <ravi_eds wrote:

Adding on to the beautiful lines and message (thanks to Mr.Ramasamy).Semman magalai thirudum thirudan: The robber of valli, precisely meaning 'Thaduthaatkolluthal'. Our mother Valli is a representation

of earth, when Mal falls in love at the beauty of Lakshmi (red deer), valli is born. The deer is always regarded as veda swarupi in our religion. Valli is a representation of Earth in the purest form of Veda. Our great Lord, engulfs the plane of Earth as Kaliyuga varatha.

Here in the anubuthi it is said 'Valli padham paniyum' and in Thiruppugazh 'Isaitha naavinan ithanodu kura magal iru paadam paritha sekara'. The Lord captures all those who long for him (as valli did)

from the earth. Murugan is a specialist of this thaduthaatkolluthal concept. He is Knowledge itself, the One above the vedas.My Lord skanda, has two wives or two embodiments in himself, the Earthly beings (Valli) and the Heavenly beings (Devayani).

Pemmaan murugan, piravaan - iravaan : Means He is the One. One who manifests himself in any many forms. One who is above time so He neither is born or dead - in simple words - Skandan 'uthithanan'.

Summa iru Sol Arra: When the words are spilled, it means total silence, not meaning the 'keep quiet'. The actual essence is to shut down the 5 horses of senses and contain the indriyams and our prana

inside the 9 exits. This is virtually impossible for the living saints and leave alone the samsaari. Am maa porul ondrum arinthilene: This humble servant is still wondering how that can be done.Bhakti is the easiest and best way to get to the Lord, Valli did not

penance as Devayani did, she has the great privelege of Skanda going in search of her. Instead of Summa iru... we speak of the Lord and his leelas, he do manasega abishekam and mantrams, we say the last verse of Anubuthi at all times,then... the Lord comes to you.

I have to mention two important points here. 1. Guru Arunagiri, the greatest of all Skanda devotees was done initiation when he jumped the Arunachala tower. The time he talks of Anubuthi is when he is in the form of a Parrot (Anubuthi is - Kili

sonna vedha utporul). The period between his initiation and transformation to a parrot must be atleast 30 - 35 years. He had meditated on the Lord for 12 years prior to beginning the works of Thirupugazh at Vayalur temple (contrary to popular belief that he

composed after his fall - thanks to tamil cinema). The point of fascination here is, even after doing the 12 year rigorous penance, he still is unable to comprehend the verse of Summa iru Sol Arra.2. Magnanimity of our Lord: Guru Arunagiri had always feared the

emotional bonds, especially post his death. Many a time he foresees them in his verses ('Anayum enai arugilura, veruvi azha uravum azha' song Arivazhiya mayal peruga of Chendur), as one such example. His

fear was pronounced that if you see how his passage happened it looks plain drama but the Lord took into account the wish of his devotee. If Arunagiri had returned to his mortal case after the flower episode, he would have lived and passed as a human saint. That

involves his sutrum - natpum - bandamum soozha perum parai muzhanga oru marana vaibhavam. However, he sits on the Lords shoulder and sings Anubuthi and merges his soul into eternity. He has no final rights performed as his astral planes do not exist in a non human

form. So the Lord, takes all our little thoughts in to place.Bhakti - maanasega vazhi paadu and dharma deeds are the way for the 21st century.Om Saravana bhava-- Ravi VenugopalNaalaya pozhutu endrum namakena vaazhga

Athai nadatha oruvan undu, kovilil kaanga.

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