Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Transliteration: yaam Othiya kalviyum yem aRivum, thaamE peRa vElavar thanThathanaal poomEl mayal pOy aRa mey puNarveer, naamEl nadaveer nadaveer iniyE. 17 Meaning: The education we had and our inner understanding too, As Lord Velayudha, of His accord, bestowed on us, Let go your world's delusion and hold fast to Truth, Sing, with your tongues, sing His glories henceforth. "The learning we had and our understanding were given to us directly by Lord Velayudha, of His own accord; therefore, casting aside (or overcoming) your delusion on the world, be rooted in the Reality, and with your tongues ever sing His glories henceforth." Detailed Commentary: God is the one who gave us knowledge (worldly & spiritual) The books we have studied, the teacher under whose care we have been put, the understanding we have of what we studied — all these are directly given to us by the Lord Himself. There are hundreds and hundreds of books in the world, but the books that are to be studied by us (which will be conducive to the furtherance of our knowledge already He has given us in our previous births as well as in this birth so far) are placed, as it were, in our hands by the Lord. Every seeker or devotee does not study every book. Each one gets the book he is in need of, often in a mysterious way! The Lord arranges it, though He does not easily reveal this secret to us. Again, each one goes to a different teacher, though they may study the same book. Our understanding of a text depends on the teaching imparted by the teacher. And above all, a proper understanding of what we study is given to us (from within) by the Lord. Studying the same book, under the same teacher, each one's understanding differs. The reason is that one understands only as much as is revealed to one by the Lord. If we have a clear understanding of the higher truths, certainly it is due to His grace. If good books come to our hands, if we get guidance from sincere and loving Gurus (who have perfect understanding of the scriptures and direct spiritual realization) and if we have wisdom or a clear perception of Truth, no doubt it is due to His Grace. He alone makes us come across the books that we should study; it is He who brings us into contact with our Guru; and having read the books and followed the Guru's instructions, finally He it is that reveals Himself in us as wisdom supreme. It is the experience of seekers that truths often flash forth in their minds in meditation — truths which they have not heard from their teachers nor read from books, but truths of an altogether different source. Wherefrom do they come? God or Guru, from within reveals more secrets than what is heard or read from outside. Thus, He comes to us at every stage of our Sadhana, right from the very beginning till we reach the pinnacle of knowledge or perfection. ....more info at skandagurunatha website Courtesy: skandagurunatha dot com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Muruga SaranamMay All Glories be to Subrahmanya SwamiThis explanation has told me I am right in my belief. It should be by His grace that I was thinking we leran more from inside than from outside (by reading or by undergoing teaching by someone) solely due to His grace. This explanation vividly puts it. It is also very very true that we understand only as much as He reveals to us. Put in quotes that He reveals only as much as we deserve, (not by favouritism or any unfair rule) that is " through our intention to seek (sankalpa), sincere hard efforts, seeking guidance from Him and submitting ourselves to His will (by accepting whatever He gives) " . This is true not only for spiritual sadhana but for any effort in worldly knowledge in personal life or profession. Whatever we strive for sincerely He makes us progress in that. If it is spiritual path we go for permanent or eternal happiness. Other goals however genuine (not low desires) or even dharmic (allowed in the religion as the way of life) they might be still remain only short term goals to satisfy our ego. That is our eternal happiness, our highest position we can achieve lies only at His lotus feet. That is the highest position we can ever seek. Endrum Muruganai Nambu, Avan vazhi nadathuvan. Velundu Vinayillai, Mayilundu Bayamillai. That is why He says " Yamirukka Bayamen " and He proves that every moment.Murugan Pugazhai padu. Endrum Inbam kondadu. Approach Him as He is the only eternal Truth in this world and everywhere. May All Glories be to Subrahmanya Swami !!!Vetrivel Muruganukku Arohara !!!Muruga SaranamWith Best RegardsMeyyappanOn Sat, May 10, 2008 at 4:07 PM, r_ramasamy <rramasamy wrote: Transliteration: yaam Othiya kalviyum yem aRivum, thaamE peRa vElavar thanThathanaal poomEl mayal pOy aRa mey puNarveer, naamEl nadaveer nadaveer iniyE. 17 Meaning: The education we had and our inner understanding too, As Lord Velayudha, of His accord, bestowed on us, Let go your world's delusion and hold fast to Truth, Sing, with your tongues, sing His glories henceforth. " The learning we had and our understanding were given to us directly by Lord Velayudha, of His own accord; therefore, casting aside (or overcoming) your delusion on the world, be rooted in the Reality, and with your tongues ever sing His glories henceforth. " Detailed Commentary: God is the one who gave us knowledge (worldly & spiritual) The books we have studied, the teacher under whose care we have been put, the understanding we have of what we studied — all these are directly given to us by the Lord Himself. There are hundreds and hundreds of books in the world, but the books that are to be studied by us (which will be conducive to the furtherance of our knowledge already He has given us in our previous births as well as in this birth so far) are placed, as it were, in our hands by the Lord. Every seeker or devotee does not study every book. Each one gets the book he is in need of, often in a mysterious way! The Lord arranges it, though He does not easily reveal this secret to us. Again, each one goes to a different teacher, though they may study the same book. Our understanding of a text depends on the teaching imparted by the teacher. And above all, a proper understanding of what we study is given to us (from within) by the Lord. Studying the same book, under the same teacher, each one's understanding differs. The reason is that one understands only as much as is revealed to one by the Lord. If we have a clear understanding of the higher truths, certainly it is due to His grace. If good books come to our hands, if we get guidance from sincere and loving Gurus (who have perfect understanding of the scriptures and direct spiritual realization) and if we have wisdom or a clear perception of Truth, no doubt it is due to His Grace. He alone makes us come across the books that we should study; it is He who brings us into contact with our Guru; and having read the books and followed the Guru's instructions, finally He it is that reveals Himself in us as wisdom supreme. It is the experience of seekers that truths often flash forth in their minds in meditation — truths which they have not heard from their teachers nor read from books, but truths of an altogether different source. Wherefrom do they come? God or Guru, from within reveals more secrets than what is heard or read from outside. Thus, He comes to us at every stage of our Sadhana, right from the very beginning till we reach the pinnacle of knowledge or perfection. ....more info at skandagurunatha website Courtesy: skandagurunatha dot com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Out of the box thoughts on this: (Caution - it might sound very abstract to logical thinkers) Yaam odhiya kalviyum yem aruivum thaame pera velavar thanthanal -- Yes, Books and what we see is nothing other than Maaya in its pures form, Maaya - the Mother of Ego arrogance and delusion. What we believe in what is told by our senses. That Maya - was created by the Lord himself in for his larger staged drama. Now the real surprise: Poo mel mayal poi arra mei punarveer namel nadaveer nadaveer iniye Lord, Give me the power to cut across the shield of Maya and see what is the Truth and hold on to that. Here - what we believe is logical is termed as illogical and what we see as true is quoted as untrue. The only Truth being the Paramaatma. Many people from Shankarar Aadi to Kannadasan have sung this high end concept in a very subtle manner. Quote: Baja govindam: Nahi nahi raakshathi dukrinjh karane (What that you say is real , that is to be unwound as the real is never real). Barathiyaar: Nirpathuve Nadapathuve parapathuve - neengal ellam sorpanam thaano - pala thotra mayakkangalo. Karpathuve ketpathuve karuthuvathe neengal ellam arpa maayaigalo ummul aazntha porul illayo. ends as : Ponathellam kanavinai pol puthainthazinthe ponathanal naanum or kanavo, intha gyalam poi thaano. Feather in the crown: Kannathasan's Kodi asainthathum kaatru vanthatha katru vanthathum kodi asainthatha. Truth is Knowledge can never be imparted by books (esp that is built on western ideology) which Lord gave to us to put us as a part of the play, it has to be that way so our yugam can end in our own hands. Karma that builds as we march towards an egoistic life of achievements. Thirupuazh - Vedhaverpile song of Thirukazu kundram states in its last lines " Odhuvitra naadhar karka odhivitha muni naana, oor ezuthil aaru ezuthai oduvitha perumaale " As the Lord does Upadesam to Absolute, the Lord who created the world is bowed down in shame, that Lord tells us Saravana Bhava (in tamil - 6 words) is the word that opens us the Truth. Saravana Bhava - the word that is the Truth and that which shows us the truth. Guru Arunagirinathar has embedded various messages in these lines. Lets understand them with relation to Thirupugazh to connect and read. Vetrivel Murukanukku Arokara -- Ravi dhandapani , " r_ramasamy " <rramasamy wrote: > > > Transliteration: > > > yaam Othiya kalviyum yem aRivum, > thaamE peRa vElavar thanThathanaal > poomEl mayal pOy aRa mey puNarveer, > naamEl nadaveer nadaveer iniyE. 17 > > > Meaning: > > > The education we had and our inner understanding too, > As Lord Velayudha, of His accord, bestowed on us, > Let go your world's delusion and hold fast to Truth, > Sing, with your tongues, sing His glories henceforth. > > " The learning we had and our understanding were given to us directly by > Lord Velayudha, of His own accord; therefore, casting aside (or > overcoming) your delusion on the world, be rooted in the Reality, and > with your tongues ever sing His glories henceforth. " > > > > > Detailed Commentary: > God is the one who gave us knowledge (worldly & spiritual) > The books we have studied, the teacher under whose care we have been > put, the understanding we have of what we studied — all these are > directly given to us by the Lord Himself. There are hundreds and > hundreds of books in the world, but the books that are to be studied by > us (which will be conducive to the furtherance of our knowledge already > He has given us in our previous births as well as in this birth so far) > are placed, as it were, in our hands by the Lord. Every seeker or > devotee does not study every book. Each one gets the book he is in need > of, often in a mysterious way! The Lord arranges it, though He does not > easily reveal this secret to us. > > Again, each one goes to a different teacher, though they may study the > same book. Our understanding of a text depends on the teaching imparted > by the teacher. And above all, a proper understanding of what we study > is given to us (from within) by the Lord. Studying the same book, under > the same teacher, each one's understanding differs. The reason is that > one understands only as much as is revealed to one by the Lord. If we > have a clear understanding of the higher truths, certainly it is due to > His grace. If good books come to our hands, if we get guidance from > sincere and loving Gurus (who have perfect understanding of the > scriptures and direct spiritual realization) and if we have wisdom or a > clear perception of Truth, no doubt it is due to His Grace. He alone > makes us come across the books that we should study; it is He who brings > us into contact with our Guru; and having read the books and followed > the Guru's instructions, finally He it is that reveals Himself in us as > wisdom supreme. It is the experience of seekers that truths often flash > forth in their minds in meditation — truths which they have not > heard from their teachers nor read from books, but truths of an > altogether different source. Wherefrom do they come? God or Guru, from > within reveals more secrets than what is heard or read from outside. > Thus, He comes to us at every stage of our Sadhana, right from the very > beginning till we reach the pinnacle of knowledge or perfection. > > ...more info at skandagurunatha website > > Courtesy: skandagurunatha dot com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Thank you Sri Meyyappan and Sri Ravi! Excellent posts and thanks you for sharing. While some of the devotees beg for the boon not to be born again, many devotees ask for the boon of singing His Name always. We need His grace even to sing His Name. Following Sri Meyyapan's words - " He makes us progress in that " . It was interesting to read Ravi's notes on Bharati. While Bharatiyar is known only for his patriotic and social poems, many of us have not taken the time to follow his spiritual poems. Bharati is a realized being in my humble opinion. Poems like " Kannan - enadhu Satguru " (Krishna - My Guru) is a good example. Regards -ramasamy dhandapani , " Ravi " <ravi_eds wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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