Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Hi rajesh, How do you differentiate between bhakti yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga if all of them are taken in the singular, highest, sense of complete yoga-union with God? If it is posssible to do that, then the respective yoga-union with God is still not complete and then one strives for complete surrender. Thus, it is all the same for the achievers of complete yoga-union with Krishna and different only for those who have not achieved it yet. regards, nitishOn 12/4/05, Rajesh Narayan <bhajkrishnanaam wrote: " Only by the practice of bhakti-yoga can one achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and see Him face to face (premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti) .. One cannot see the Lord by other means, such as karma , jnana or yoga .. Under the direction of the spiritual master, one must cultivate bhakti-yoga (sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam) .. Then, even within the material world, although the Lord is not visible, a devotee can see Him. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah) and in Srimad-Bhagavatam (bhaktyaham ekaya grahyah) .. Thus by devotional service one can achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although He is not visible or understandable by materialistic persons. " (Srimad-Bhagavatam, 8.6.12, Purport) *********************************************************************** Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: ÅšrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 8.6.12 yathÄgnim edhasy amrÌ£tamÌ ca gosÌ£u bhuvy annam ambÅ«dyamane ca vrÌ£ttim yogair manusÌ£yÄ adhiyanti hi tvÄmÌ gunÌ£esÌ£u buddhyÄ kavayo vadanti SYNONYMS yathÄ â€” as; agnim — fire; edhasi — in wood; amrÌ£tam — milk, which is like nectar; ca — and; gosÌ£u — from cows; bhuvi — on the ground; annam — food grains; ambu — water; udyamane — in enterprise; ca — also; vrÌ£ttim — livelihood; yogaihÌ£ — by practice of bhakti-yoga; manusÌ£yÄhÌ£ — human beings; adhiyanti — achieve; hi — indeed; tvÄm — You; gunÌ£esÌ£u — in the material modes of nature; buddhyÄ â€” by intelligence; kavayahÌ£ — great personalities; vadanti — say. TRANSLATION As one can derive fire from wood, milk from the milk bag of the cow, food grains and water from the land, and prosperity in one's livelihood from industrial enterprises, so, by the practice of bhakti- yoga, even within this material world, one can achieve Your favor or intelligently approach You. Those who are pious all affirm this. PURPORT Although the Supreme Personality of Godhead is nirgunÌ£a, not to be found within this material world, the entire material world is pervaded by Him, as stated in Bhagavad- gÄ«tÄ (mayÄ tatam idamÌ sarvam). The material world is nothing but an expansion of the Lord's material energy, and the entire cosmic manifestation rests upon Him (mat- sthÄni sarva- bhÅ«tÄni). Nonetheless, the Supreme Lord cannot be found here (na cÄhamÌ tesÌ£v avasthitahÌ£). A devotee, however, can see the Supreme Personality of Godhead through the practice of bhakti-yoga. One ordinarily does not begin to practice bhakti-yoga unless he has practiced it in previous births. Moreover, one can begin bhakti-yoga only by the mercy of the spiritual master and KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a. Guru- krÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a-prasÄde pÄya bhakti- latÄ-bÄ«ja. The seed of devotional service is obtainable by the mercy of guru, the spiritual master, and KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Only by the practice of bhakti- yoga can one achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and see Him face to face (premÄñjana-cchurita- bhakti-vilocanena santahÌ£ sadaiva hrÌ£dayesÌ£u vilokayanti [bs. 5.38]). One cannot see the Lord by other methods, such as karma, jñÄna or yoga. Under the direction of the spiritual master, one must cultivate bhakti- yoga (Å›ravanÌ£amÌ kÄ«rtanamÌ visÌ£nÌ£ohÌ£ smaranÌ£amÌ pÄda- sevanam [sB 7.5.23]). Then, even within this material world, although the Lord is not visible, a devotee can see Him. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ ( bhaktyÄ mÄm abhijÄnÄti yÄvÄn yaÅ› cÄsmi tattvatahÌ£ [bg. 18.55]) and in ÅšrÄ«mad-BhÄgavatam (bhaktyÄham ekayÄ grÄhyahÌ£). Thus by devotional service one can achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although He is not visible or understandable to materialistic persons. In this verse, the cultivation of bhakti- yoga is compared to many material activities. By friction one can get fire from wood, by digging the earth one can get food grains and water, and by agitating the milk bag of the cow one can get nectarean milk. Milk is compared to nectar, which one can drink to become immortal. Of course, simply drinking milk will not make one immortal, but it can increase the duration of one's life. In modern civilization, men do not think milk to be important, and therefore they do not live very long. Although in this age men can live up to one hundred years, their duration of life is reduced because they do not drink large quantities of milk. This is a sign of Kali- yuga. In Kali- yuga, instead of drinking milk, people prefer to slaughter an animal and eat its flesh. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, in His instructions of Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ, advises go- raksÌ£ya, which means cow protection. The cow should be protected, milk should be drawn from the cows, and this milk should be prepared in various ways. One should take ample milk, and thus one can prolong one's life, develop his brain, execute devotional service, and ultimately attain the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As it is essential to get food grains and water by digging the earth, it is also essential to give protection to the cows and take nectarean milk from their milk bags. The people of this age are inclined toward industrial enterprises for comfortable living, but they refuse to endeavor to execute devotional service, by which they can achieve the ultimate goal of life by returning home, back to Godhead. Unfortunately, as it is said, na te viduhÌ£ svÄrtha- gatimÌ hi visÌ£nÌ£umÌ durÄÅ›ayÄ ye bahir- artha-mÄninahÌ£ [ SB 7.5.31]. People without spiritual education do not know that the ultimate goal of life is to go back home, back to Godhead. Forgetting this aim of life, they are working very hard in disappointment and frustration (moghÄÅ›Ä mogha-karmÄnÌ£o mogha jñÄnÄ vicetasahÌ£ [bg. 9.12]). The so-called vaiÅ›yas — the industrialists or businessmen — are involved in big, big industrial enterprises, but they are not interested in food grains and milk. However, as indicated here, by digging for water, even in the desert, we can produce food grains; when we produce food grains and vegetables, we can give protection to the cows; while giving protection to the cows, we can draw from them abundant quantities of milk; and by getting enough milk and combining it with food grains and vegetables, we can prepare hundreds of nectarean foods. We can happily eat this food and thus avoid industrial enterprises and joblessness. Agriculture and cow protection are the way to become sinless and thus be attracted to devotional service. Those who are sinful cannot be attracted by devotional service. As stated in Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ ( 7.28): yesÌ£ÄmÌ tv anta-gatamÌ pÄpamÌ janÄnÄmÌ punÌ£ya-karmanÌ£Äm te dvandva- moha-nirmuktÄ bhajante mÄmÌ drÌ£dÌ£ha-vratÄhÌ£ " Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination. " The majority of people in this age of Kali are sinful, short-living, unfortunate and disturbed ( mandÄhÌ£ sumanda-matayo manda-bhÄgyÄ hy upadrutÄhÌ£ [sB 1.1.10]). For them, Caitanya MahÄprabhu has advised: harer nÄma harer nÄma harer nÄmaiva kevalam kalau nÄsty eva nÄsty eva nÄsty eva gatir anyathÄ [ Adi 17.21] " In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way. " Please Chant... Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare And Be Happy!!! 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Hare Krsna Nitish Prabhu Please allow me say something on how to differentiate between Bhakti, Karma and Jnana Yoga. Karma, Jnana and Pranayam Yogas are processes which will help a jiva to come to pure devotion of Lord Krsna namely Bhakti Yoga but after many births and death. Without Bhakti all the other processes are not possible cause if you are not devoted to Krsna than there is no meaning to Yoga (Yoga means union with God) . There are lots of jnanis, Karmis andYogis who claim to be on the path of Yoga, however they dont know the destination of their path which is none other than Lord Krsna. Other Yoga processes will lead one to Brahman realization (Jnana Yoga) and Parmatma Realization (Kriya Pranayam Yoga) but ones path is not complete without Bhagwan Realization which is possible only by Bhakti Yoga process of Devotional service. Hope this helps. In Your Service Bharat On 12/4/05, Nitish Arya <nitish.arya wrote: Hi rajesh, How do you differentiate between bhakti yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga if all of them are taken in the singular, highest, sense of complete yoga-union with God? If it is posssible to do that, then the respective yoga-union with God is still not complete and then one strives for complete surrender. Thus, it is all the same for the achievers of complete yoga-union with Krishna and different only for those who have not achieved it yet. regards,nitish On 12/4/05, Rajesh Narayan <bhajkrishnanaam > wrote: " Only by the practice of bhakti-yoga can one achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and see Him face to face (premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti) . One cannot see the Lord by other means, such as karma , jnana or yoga . Under the direction of the spiritual master, one must cultivate bhakti-yoga (sravanam kirtanam visnoh smaranam pada-sevanam) .. Then, even within the material world, although the Lord is not visible, a devotee can see Him. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvatah) and in Srimad-Bhagavatam (bhaktyaham ekaya grahyah) .. Thus by devotional service one can achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although He is not visible or understandable by materialistic persons. " (Srimad-Bhagavatam , 8.6.12, Purport) *********************************************************************** Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: ÅšrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 8.6.12 yathÄgnim edhasy amrÌ£tamÌ ca gosÌ£u bhuvy annam ambÅ«dyamane ca vrÌ£ttim yogair manusÌ£yÄ adhiyanti hi tvÄmÌ gunÌ£esÌ£u buddhyÄ kavayo vadanti SYNONYMS yathÄ â€” as; agnim — fire; edhasi — in wood; amrÌ£tam — milk, which is like nectar; ca — and; gosÌ£u — from cows; bhuvi — on the ground; annam — food grains; ambu — water; udyamane — in enterprise; ca — also; vrÌ£ttim — livelihood; yogaihÌ£ — by practice of bhakti- yoga; manusÌ£yÄhÌ£ — human beings; adhiyanti — achieve; hi — indeed; tvÄm — You; gunÌ£esÌ£u — in the material modes of nature; buddhyÄ â€” by intelligence; kavayahÌ£ — great personalities; vadanti — say. TRANSLATION As one can derive fire from wood, milk from the milk bag of the cow, food grains and water from the land, and prosperity in one's livelihood from industrial enterprises, so, by the practice of bhakti- yoga, even within this material world, one can achieve Your favor or intelligently approach You. Those who are pious all affirm this. PURPORT Although the Supreme Personality of Godhead is nirgunÌ£a, not to be found within this material world, the entire material world is pervaded by Him, as stated in Bhagavad- gÄ«tÄ ( mayÄ tatam idamÌ sarvam). The material world is nothing but an expansion of the Lord's material energy, and the entire cosmic manifestation rests upon Him ( mat- sthÄni sarva- bhÅ«tÄni). Nonetheless, the Supreme Lord cannot be found here (na cÄhamÌ tesÌ£v avasthitahÌ£). A devotee, however, can see the Supreme Personality of Godhead through the practice of bhakti-yoga. One ordinarily does not begin to practice bhakti-yoga unless he has practiced it in previous births. Moreover, one can begin bhakti-yoga only by the mercy of the spiritual master and KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a. Guru- krÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a-prasÄde pÄya bhakti- latÄ-bÄ«ja. The seed of devotional service is obtainable by the mercy of guru, the spiritual master, and KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Only by the practice of bhakti- yoga can one achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and see Him face to face (premÄñjana-cchurita- bhakti-vilocanena santahÌ£ sadaiva hrÌ£dayesÌ£u vilokayanti [bs. 5.38]). One cannot see the Lord by other methods, such as karma, jñÄna or yoga. Under the direction of the spiritual master, one must cultivate bhakti- yoga (Å›ravanÌ£amÌ kÄ«rtanamÌ visÌ£nÌ£ohÌ£ smaranÌ£amÌ pÄda- sevanam [sB 7.5.23]). Then, even within this material world, although the Lord is not visible, a devotee can see Him. This is confirmed in Bhagavad- gÄ«tÄ ( bhaktyÄ mÄm abhijÄnÄti yÄvÄn yaÅ› cÄsmi tattvatahÌ£ [bg. 18.55]) and in ÅšrÄ«mad-BhÄgavatam (bhaktyÄham ekayÄ grÄhyahÌ£). Thus by devotional service one can achieve the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although He is not visible or understandable to materialistic persons. In this verse, the cultivation of bhakti- yoga is compared to many material activities. By friction one can get fire from wood, by digging the earth one can get food grains and water, and by agitating the milk bag of the cow one can get nectarean milk. Milk is compared to nectar, which one can drink to become immortal. Of course, simply drinking milk will not make one immortal, but it can increase the duration of one's life. In modern civilization, men do not think milk to be important, and therefore they do not live very long. Although in this age men can live up to one hundred years, their duration of life is reduced because they do not drink large quantities of milk. This is a sign of Kali- yuga. In Kali- yuga, instead of drinking milk, people prefer to slaughter an animal and eat its flesh. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, in His instructions of Bhagavad- gÄ«tÄ, advises go- raksÌ£ya, which means cow protection. The cow should be protected, milk should be drawn from the cows, and this milk should be prepared in various ways. One should take ample milk, and thus one can prolong one's life, develop his brain, execute devotional service, and ultimately attain the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As it is essential to get food grains and water by digging the earth, it is also essential to give protection to the cows and take nectarean milk from their milk bags. The people of this age are inclined toward industrial enterprises for comfortable living, but they refuse to endeavor to execute devotional service, by which they can achieve the ultimate goal of life by returning home, back to Godhead. Unfortunately, as it is said, na te viduhÌ£ svÄrtha- gatimÌ hi visÌ£nÌ£umÌ durÄÅ›ayÄ ye bahir- artha-mÄninahÌ£ [ SB 7.5.31]. People without spiritual education do not know that the ultimate goal of life is to go back home, back to Godhead. Forgetting this aim of life, they are working very hard in disappointment and frustration (moghÄÅ›Ä mogha-karmÄnÌ£o mogha jñÄnÄ vicetasahÌ£ [bg. 9.12]). The so-called vaiÅ›yas — the industrialists or businessmen — are involved in big, big industrial enterprises, but they are not interested in food grains and milk. However, as indicated here, by digging for water, even in the desert, we can produce food grains; when we produce food grains and vegetables, we can give protection to the cows; while giving protection to the cows, we can draw from them abundant quantities of milk; and by getting enough milk and combining it with food grains and vegetables, we can prepare hundreds of nectarean foods. We can happily eat this food and thus avoid industrial enterprises and joblessness. Agriculture and cow protection are the way to become sinless and thus be attracted to devotional service. Those who are sinful cannot be attracted by devotional service. As stated in Bhagavad- gÄ«tÄ ( 7.28): yesÌ£ÄmÌ tv anta-gatamÌ pÄpamÌ janÄnÄmÌ punÌ£ya-karmanÌ£Äm te dvandva- moha- nirmuktÄ bhajante mÄmÌ drÌ£dÌ£ha- vratÄhÌ£ " Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination. " The majority of people in this age of Kali are sinful, short-living, unfortunate and disturbed ( mandÄhÌ£ sumanda-matayo manda-bhÄgyÄ hy upadrutÄhÌ£ [sB 1.1.10]). For them, Caitanya MahÄprabhu has advised: harer nÄma harer nÄma harer nÄmaiva kevalam kalau nÄsty eva nÄsty eva nÄsty eva gatir anyathÄ [ Adi 17.21] " In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way. " Please Chant... Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare And Be Happy!!! 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