Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Dear Members,And Devotees,Please accept my most Humble obiesances! this was sent to me from Nitaipada Swami,in His Fallen Devotee club,and I thought ir was so nice To hear Srila Prabhupada Talk about His Gurudeava,Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami on His Dissapearance day.I hope Everyone Likes this as much as i did,Jaya Kesava dasa --- Jaya Murari dasa <jayamurari wrote:> "Jaya Murari dasa" <jayamurari> Tomorrow is Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati> Gosvami Prabhupada's Disappearance Day (Lecture> included)> Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:16:28 -0500> > > His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati> Gosvami Prabhupada's Disappearance Day Lecture given> by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami> Prabhupada > > At Los Angeles, on December 9, 1969 > > So today is the disappearance day of my Guru> Maharaja. As I told you that sadhavo jiva va mara> va. There was a nice story the other day I told you> that a sage is giving different kinds of blessings> to different types of persons. So to a king's son, a> prince, he blessed, raja-putra ciram jiva: "You are> a king's son, a prince. You live forever." And> muni-putra, the son of a saintly person, he blessed> him, ma jiva ma jiva: "You don't live." Raja-putra> ciram muni-putra ma jiva. And sadhu, devotees, he> blessed him, jiva va mara va: "Either you live or> you die, as you like." And there was a butcher, he> blessed him, ma jiva ma mara: "You don't die, don't> live." So these words are very significant. That I> have already explained, still I am explaining. A> prince, he's enjoying sense, that's all. He has got> enough facility for sense enjoyment. So his next> life is hellish. Because if you indulge in sex life,> then Krsna will give you facility to have sex life> three times in an hour, just like the pigeons, the> monkeys, the sparrows, they are very sexually> strong. You have seen it. So the facility is given.> So princely order, they are after sense enjoyment.> So he's blessed that "Better you live forever,> because after your death, you do not know what is> going to happen to you. You are going to get a> hellish life. Better you live for some time. Go on> with your enjoyment." And muni-putra ma jiva.> Brahmacari, working under the guidance, under strict> disciplinary guidance, of a spiritual master, he is> blessed, ma jiva, "You better die. Because you are> so trained to enter into the kingdom of God, so why> should you take so much trouble? Better you die and> go back to Godhead." Ma jiva. And a devotee he> blessed, jiva va maro va: "My dear devotee, either> you live or die, the same thing." And the butcher,> he blessed him, ma jiva ma mara: "You don't live,> don't die." What he's to do? His living condition is> so abominable. From the morning, he has to slaughter> so many animals, see the bloodstain, the ghastly> scene. That is his livelihood. So what a horrible> life this is. So "Don't live. And don't die also."> Because after death, oh, he is going to be in so> much hellish condition, nobody can describe. So both> lives, living condition and death, after death, his> condition is very horrible. > > Anyway, apart from others, the devotee, for him,> appearance and disappearance the same thing. Just> like when my spiritual master appeared at Jagannatha> Puri... He was the son of a very big government> officer, Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He was magistrate,> government officer. In those days a magistrate is a> big officer in the government, practically next to> governor. And Bhaktivinoda Thakura was in charge of> the Jagannatha temple. That is the system in> Jagannatha Puri. The manager in charge of the temple> is the district magistrate. So there was a> Ratha-yatra festival, and the car was passing in> front of Bhaktivinoda Thakura's house. Bhaktivinoda> Thakura's name was Kedaranath Datta. When he was> magistrate, he was known as K.N. Datta. Kedaranath> Datta. So the car stopped before his house, and at> that time, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura,> a child in the lap of his mother. The mother took> the opportunity of rising on the car. He (She) was> magistrate's wife, so he (she) had the facility.> Immediately, people gave her way to go on the top of> the car and place the child on the lotus feet of> Jagannatha. And there were many garlands. One> garland fell upon him, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati,> blessings. This was one of the... There were so many> other things. > > When he was a child two, three years old, he ate one> mango fruit which was kept for offering to the> Deity. So his father mildly rebuked him, "Oh, you> have done a very wrong thing. It was meant for> Deity, and you have taken it. You should not have> done it." The child was two or three years old. He> took it so seriously that never after that he took> mango. Whenever we offered him mango he said, "No, I> am offender. I cannot take mango." He was thinking> like that, you see. Never in his life he took a> mango. He was thinking that "I offended in my> childhood by taking the mango of the Deity." This is> the characteristic of acarya. They teach by their> life's action that one should be so much determined,> that one should not be... A child took the mango,> there was no offense. But he took that vow. > > Another instance, in my presence. At that time, we> were also young men, and one of my Godbrothers, his> name is Dr. Oul Bihari Kapoor... He's now retired in> Vrndavana, last time I saw him. He was also young> man, and his wife was also young. So we were sitting> together, talking with Guru Maharaja, and the girl> proposed, "My dear master, I want to speak with> you." So Guru Maharaja said, "Yes, you can talk> whatever you like." So she said, "I want to talk> with you secretly, not in the presence of everyone."> Guru Maharaja said, "No. I cannot talk with you> secretly. You can talk in the presence of my all> other disciples." So even that girl was just like> his granddaughter by age calculation, he refused to> talk with a young woman in a secret place. These are> the instances. > > So in his life he was akhanda brahmacari.> Bhaktivinoda Thakura had many other sons, and he was> the fifth son. And some of his other brother also,> they did not marry. And my Guru Maharaja, he also> did not marry. From the childhood he is strict> brahmacari, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami> Maharaja. And he underwent very severe penances for> starting this movement, worldwide movement. That was> his mission. Bhaktivinoda Thakura wanted do this.> He, 1896, Bhaktivinoda Thakura wanted to introduce> this Krsna consciousness movement by sending this> book, Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, His Life and> Precepts. Fortunately, that year was my birth year,> and by Krsna's arrangement, we came in contact. I> was born in a different family, my Guru Maharaja was> born in a different family. Who knew that I will> come to his protection? Who knew that I would come> in America? Who knew that you American boys will> come to me? These are all Krsna's arrangement. We> cannot understand how things are taking place. In> 1936... Today is ninth December, 1938(68). That> means thirty-two years ago. In Bombay, I was then> doing some business. All of a sudden, perhaps on> this date, sometimes between 9 or 10 December. At> that time, Guru Maharaja was indisposed little, and> he was staying at Jagannatha Puri, on the seashore.> So I wrote him letter, "My dear master, your other> disciples, brahmacari, sannyasi, they are rendering> you direct service. And I am a householder. I cannot> live with you, I cannot serve you nicely. So I do> not know. How can I serve you?" Simply an idea, I> was thinking of serving him, "How can I serve him> seriously?" So the reply was dated 13th December,> 1936. In that letter he wrote, "My dear such and> such, I am very glad to receive your letter. I think> you should try to push our movement in English."> That was his writing. "And that will do good to you> and to the people who will help you." That was his> instruction. And then in 1936, on the 31st> December--that means just after writing this letter> a fortnight before his departure--he passed away.> But I took that order of my spiritual master very> seriously, but I did not think that I'll have to do> such and such thing. I was at that time a> householder. But this is the arrangement of Krsna.> If we strictly try to serve the spiritual master,> his order, then Krsna will give us all facilities.> That is the secret. Although there was no> possibility, I never thought, but I took it little> seriously by studying a commentary by Visvanatha> Cakravarti Thakura on the Bhagavad-gita. In the> Bhagavad-gita the verse vyavasayatmika-buddhir ekeha> kuru-nandana, in connection with that verse,> Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura gives his commentary> that we should take up the words from the spiritual> master as our life and soul. We should try to carry> out the instruction, the specific instruction of the> spiritual master, very rigidly, without caring for> our personal benefit or loss. > > So I tried a little bit in that spirit. So he has> given me all facilities to serve him. Things have> come to this stage, that in this old age I have come> to your country, and you are also taking this> movement seriously, trying to understand it. We have> got some books now. So there is little foothold of> this movement. So on this occasion of my spiritual> master's departure, as I am trying to execute his> will, similarly, I shall also request you to execute> the same order through my will. I am an old man, I> can also pass away at any moment. That is nature's> law. Nobody can check it. So that is not very> astonishing, but my appeal to you on this auspicious> day of the departure of my Guru Maharaja, that at> least to some extent you have understood the essence> of Krsna consciousness movement. You should try to> push it on. People are suffering for want of this> consciousness. As we daily pray about devotees, > > vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca> > krpa-sindhubhya eva ca> > patitanam pavanebhyo> > vaisnavebhyo namo namah> > A Vaisnava, or devotee of Lord, his life is> dedicated for the benefit of the people. You> know--most of you belong to Christian community--how> Lord Jesus Christ, he said that for your sinful> activities he has sacrificed himself. That is the> determination of devotee of the Lord. They don't> care for personal comforts. Because they love Krsna> or God, therefore they love all living entities> because all living entities are in relationship with> Krsna. So similarly you should learn. This Krsna> consciousness movement means to become Vaisnava and> feel for the suffering humanity. So to feel for the> suffering humanity, there are different angles of> vision. Somebody is thinking of the suffering of the> humanity from bodily conception of life. Somebody is> trying to open hospital to give relief to the> diseased condition. Somebody is trying to distribute> foodstuff in poverty-stricken countries or places.> These things are certainly very nice, but actual> suffering of the humanity is due to lack of Krsna> consciousness. These bodily sufferings, they are> temporary; neither they can be checked by the laws> of nature. Suppose if you give some distribution of> foodstuff in some poverty-stricken country, that> does not mean that this help makes solution of the> whole problem. The real beneficial work is to invoke> every person to Krsna consciousness. As soon as he> comes to Krsna consciousness... The same example, as> I have given several times, that a rich man's son is> loitering in the street, forgetting his father's> opulence and property. And somebody, out of> sympathy, giving him some food. But other person> comes to him and says, "Oh, my dear boy, I know you.> You are the son of such and such rich man. Why you> are loitering in the street? Come on, I shall take> you to your father." So if that gentleman takes that> loitering boy to his father, the father is glad, and> the boy inherits his father's property, and his> whole problem of life becomes solved. This is a> crude example. Similarly, all living entities, they> are loitering within this universe in different> bodies, in different planets, and from time> immemorial, without knowing that he belongs to the> kingdom of God, he is the direct son of Krsna and> God, that Krsna is the proprietor of everything, and> he can enjoy his father's property, and these> problems of material conditioned life automatically> solved. Just like if you become a rich man, if you> can possess millions of dollars, then your poverty> is automatically solved. Similarly, if you become> Krsna conscious and if you act in that way, then all> other problems in the material conditional> life--solved. > > So this is such a nice movement. Aham tvam> sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. The> Bhagavad-gita says, the Lord says, people's> sufferings are due to his sinful activities.> Ignorance. Ignorance is the cause of sinful> activity. Just like a man does not know. Suppose a> foreigner like me comes in America and he does not> know... Because in India... Just like in your> country, the car is driven from the right side; in> India, I've seen in London also, the car is driven> from the left side. So suppose he does not know, he> drives the car on the left side and incurs some> accident, and he is taken by the police custody. And> if he says, "Sir, I did not know that here the car> is driven from the right side," that does not make> him excused. The law will punish him. So ignorance> is the cause of breaking the law or sinful> activities. And as soon as you commit some sinful> activity, you have to suffer the result. So the> whole world is in ignorance, and due to ignorance> he's complicated in so many actions and reactions,> either good or bad. There is nothing good within> this material world; everything is bad. So we have> manufactured something good and something bad.> Here... Because in the Bhagavad-gita we understand> this place is duhkhalayam asasvatam. This place is> for misery. So how you can say, in miserable> condition, how you can say that "This is good" or> "This is bad." Everything is bad. So those persons> who do not know--the material, conditional> life--they manufacture something, "This is good,> this is bad," because they do not know everything> here is bad, nothing good. One should be very much> pessimistic of this material world. Then he can make> advance in spiritual life. Duhkhalayam asasvatam.> This place is full of miseries, and if you study> analytically, you'll find simply miserable> condition. Therefore the whole problem is that we> should give up our material conditional life, and in> Krsna consciousness we should try to elevate ourself> to the spiritual platform and thereby be promoted to> the kingdom of Godhead, yad gatva na nivartante tad> dhamam paramam mama, where going, nobody comes back> to this miserable world. And that is the supreme> abode of the Lord. > > So there are description in the Bhagavad-gita. So> this Krsna consciousness movement is authorized,> very important. Now, you American boys and girls who> have taken to this movement, please take it more> seriously and... That is the mission of Lord> Caitanya and my Guru Maharaja, and we are also> trying to execute the will by disciplic succession.> You have come forward to help me. I shall request> you all that I shall go away, but you shall live.> Don't give up pushing on this movement, and you'll> be blessed by Lord Caitanya and His Divine Grace> Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Prabhupada. > > Thank you very much. Any question? (pause) Any> question? Devotee: When your spiritual master was a> little boy, did, was he, um, did he do things like> Lord Caitanya did like when He went to the, um, like> when Lord Caitanya went to the water and all girls> were asking for... Prabhupada: No, he was not so> much naughty. (laughs) My Guru Maharaja was very> gentle boy. Yes. Caitanya Mahaprabhu was very> naughty boy. Yes. (laughs) And Krsna was also very> naughty boy. (pause) Chant Hare Krsna.> (kirtana--Visnujana leads, Srila Prabhupada chants> along) I have brought prasadam for you. Take. (long> pause as prasadam is served out and devotees chant> japa) Can stop it? (end) Thanks For Reading,Your servant Jaya Kesava dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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