Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Ravi Sookraj wrote: First we must learn to forgive ourselves, to accept ourselves as we are andproceed with confidence. The secret is that we have to correct all matters within ourselves. It is a great power to be able to look beyond ourselves and see othersas they really are, how they really think and how they really feel. Whenwe are wrapped up in our own individual ego, this is hard to do. By Satguru Sivaya SubramuniyaswamiThe Art of ForgivenessThe Vedas are full of verses which speak of the Divine within man,and therefore Hindu Dharma today implores us to let go of grudges,resentment and especially self-contempt. Most people today are workingharder to correct the faults of others than they are their own. It is athankless job. It truly is. Most are trying to recreate the relativelyreal world into being absolutely real. Another thankless job. The wiseimplore us to accept things as they are, to be happy and content atevery point in time. They tell us: do not be discouraged in seeing thefailings of others. Rather, let it help awaken your understanding of them as towhere they are in consciousness and the suffering they must be goingthrough. If others harm you in thought, word or deed, do not resentit. Rather, let it awaken compassion, kindness and forgi veness. Use itas a mirror to view your own frailties; then work diligently to bringyour own thoughts, words and deeds into line with Hindu Dharma.The secret is that we have to correct all matters within ourselves. Wehave to bear our karmas--the reactions to our actions--cheerfully. Andwhat are the apparent injustices of life but the self-created reactionsof our own past actions in this or a former life? The person of perfectunderstanding accepts all happenings in life as purposeful and good. Wemust be grateful to others for playing back to us our previous actionsso that we can see our mistakes and experience the same feelings wemust have caused in others. It is in this way that we are purified andtrained not to commit the same adharmic acts again.All the great ones have preached the art of forgiveness. First wemust learn to forgive ourselves, to accept ourselves as we are andproceed with confidence. Many people live their whole lives immersed inguilt. It's a way of life passed on from generation to generation. It'slike a passive fear, different from a threatening fear. Certainreligions push people into fear and guilt. Therefore, if they don't feel guilty,they don't feel that they are being religious. Mary Baker Eddy once saidGod is love and was viciously attacked for it by the Christian communityof her day, who believed with a vengeance that God is wrathful, fearinvoking. Families who live in guilt pass it on to their children.People who live in a state of guilt don't give a lot, they don't produce a lot,and they don't move forward spiritually very far.New energy is released for a healthy future when we forgiveourselves. Yes, forgiveness is a powerful force. We must start withourselves, for as long as we hold self-contempt, we are unable toforgive others, because everyone else is a reflection of ourself. We react towhat we see in them that we are not ready to face up to in ourselves.It is a great power to be able to look beyond ourselves and see othersas they really are, how they really think and how they really feel. Whenwe are wrapped up in our own individual ego, this is hard to do. Wesurmise that those we know are exactly like us, and we find fault withthem when they are not. But eventually we break the shell of the ego--anact symbolized by smashing the rough, dark brown coconut in the temple,revealing the beauty of the pure, white fruit inside which representsour pristine spiritual nature. It takes a hard blow to subdue our ego,and this is never without pain. But we can remove the ego's hard shellpainlessly through absolute surrender to Hindu Dharma, absolutesurrender to our own soul, to God within us. External worship and internalworship, external surrender and internal surrender, bring about the softening ofthe ego and the unveiling of spirit. Need Mail bonding?Go to the Mail Q&A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Om Namoh Narayanaya Om Visnave Namah. My humble pranaams to all devotees. Only 1/2 of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Ji was forwarded by Capil Ji--I have pasted the rest of it below for anyone interested. Anyone who is devoted to God will eventually realise that when bad things happen it is because you are paying off bad Karmas and as a result cannot blame yourself. This is why one is told that one must forgive oneself. The most profound message about Satguru Ji's lecture is when he said that --- If we forgive the person, we releasethe congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work.In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them,and we won't be involved in the process at all. And he goes on to caution that--it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back inyour life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their partis dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdomindicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. There is a different scenario however when this involves a person with an abusive personality--eg a man abusing his wife and then blames her and tells her that she made him abuse her/she made him treat her badly etc and then accuses her of abusing him. Physiologists calls this Projection---when the abuser projects all his qualities onto his victim and accuses the victim of being everything that he/she(the abuser) is. After reading Satguru Ji's lecture, this abusive man will now forgive himself as he believes in his sick/corrupted mind that he is not the abuser--his wife is the abuser. So what happens then?? This of course is where Bhagwaan was very precise is demonstrating how He Deals with people who a. Commit sin b.Harasses His Devotees a.When someone commits sin --Bhagwaan says that He gives everyone a chance to absolve........ Even if a man of the most sinful conduct worship Me with undeviating devotion, he must be reckoned as righteous for he has rightly resolved. 9.30 As long as one becomes close to Bhagwaan--automatically one will become "righteous". A sinful person is never close to God. If you have been sinful and wants to become close to God --you will at once know that you have to do the necessary Prascitta as no devotee of Bhagwaan will ever intentionally harm/hurt another. b.This applies to the case where the person abuses his/her victim and then blames the victim and therefore "forgive" him/herself. This kind of person is often referred to as a Psychopath(one without a conscience). There are countless examples of how Bhagwaan has dealt with these type of Characters. He shows No Mercy to them. The Blessed Lord did not tell Arjuna Ji to forgive His Grandfather, Guru Ji, his cousins etc who committed sinful acts to them and to an innocent woman. The Blessed Lord was most displeased at Arjuna Ji when the latter decided to forgive these sinners. The Blessed Lord told Arjuna Ji to pick up his weapons and destroy those that committed sin and those that condoned the sinful acts. We always have to remember the lessons of The Lord--what He Preached/what he extolled us to do. When the Sage Durvasa in anger tried to destroy His Devotee Ambarisa--what happened?Bhagwaan didn't side with Durvasa, a Divine Sage--instead He sent him straight back to his victim and told him to seek forgiveness at his( Ambarisa's) feet. So while it is easy to forgive oneself when one has done no harm to another, when one has done/committed sin on others--one must at once do the necessary Pracitta, then seek to forgive ones self for you have rightly resolved. But for someone who is hell-bent on self destruction by refusing to accept responsibility for the wrongs/sins they have committed --- one must allow these sinful ones who do not want to "rightly resolve'' their sinful ways---to reap the just fruits of their sinful acts as Bhagwaan has demonstrated Himself It is Bhagwaan alone knows all --we cannot hide anything from Him nor trick Him. He knows who is the sinner and who is innocent. If one has not committed a sinful act/harmed His devotee--then one need not have to worry............. TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM Om Tat Sat Sri Krsnaparamastu. In His Service, Nandrani The continuation of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Ji External worship and internal worship, external surrender andinternal surrender, bring about the softening of the ego and theunveiling of spirit.What is resentment? Resentment is pranic force, subtle energy, thatis congested. What is love? Love is pranic force that is flowing anduncongested. When someone performs an injustice towards us, they aregiving us a conglomerate of congested prana. If we were able to lookat it in the astral world, we would see it as a confused mass ofdisharmonious colors and shapes. If we are unable to remaindetached, we become upset and resentful. Instinctively, this pranais held by us and only released when we find it in our heart toforgive the person. At the moment of true forgiveness, the congestedprana is transferred back to the person who harmed or insulted us.Now we can see that when we resent or hold something againstsomeone, we are actually astrally connected to them and, in fact,holding back the karma that will automatically come to them as aresult of their harmful act. If we forgive the person, we releasethe congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work.In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them,and we won't be involved in the process at all. That is why theTirukural, a wonderful book written 2,000 years ago, tellsus, "Though unjustly afflicted, it is best to suffer the sufferingand refrain from unrighteous retaliation. Let a man conquer byforbearance those who in their arrogance have wronged him (157-8)."However, it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back inyour life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their partis dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdomindicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again.To be affectionately detached--that is a power. That is a wisdom.Being detached does not mean running away from life or beinginsensitive or passively accepting harm to yourself or loved ones.When we have the ability to let go, through forgiveness, we arewarmer, more friendly, more wholesome, more human and closer to ourfamily and friends.Just the opposite happens if we remain attached by resenting thatwhich happened in the past. Take the example of a teenager who seesa wonderful future ahead of him. Experiences begin to happen in hislife, some of which are unpleasant. If these are not resolved,negative prana begins piling up within his subconscious mind,vasanas are made, and the future begins to diminish from view. Yearafter year as he gets older, the past gets bigger and bigger andbigger, and the future gets smaller and smaller and smaller.Finally, there is so much resentment that the once joyful adolescentgrows into a depressed and bitter adult. Eventually he developscancer and dies lonely and miserable.We recently learned that the oldest person in the world is a 118-year-old lady in Canada who happens to be vegetarian. She is quiteup in the news and in the Guinness Book of Records. In a study ofher life, and that of several others over age 110, it wasasked, "Why has she lived so long? Why is she still living?" Theanswer is that these elderly folk are optimistic. They see a future,and that keeps them living. They must be easy-going and probablyhave a philosophy of forgiveness toward what anybody has done tothem along the way. People who are successful at flowing with theevents of life do not hold onto a lot of resentment or congestedpranas. It is when hate and resentment become a way of life that webegin to worry and wonder what life is all about.The wise have given a remedy, an effective penance, prayaschitta,that can be performed to get rid of the bundle of past resentmentand experience forgiveness and the abundance of divine energy thatcomes as an aftermath. Collect two pieces of paper for every year ofyour life, and write down in detail all the resentments,misunderstandings, conflicts and confusions that you are stillholding onto. When each page is completed, crumple it up and burn itin a garbage can. When the mind sees the fire consuming the paper,it intuits that the burden is gone. It is the emotion connected tothe imbedded experience that actually goes away. When this vasanadaha tantra, subconscious purification by fire, is complete, youwill never feel the same again. If it works for you, send a letterto the editor to encourage others.After this spiritual experience, religious life, or Hindu Dharma,will be first in your life. All other activities--business, socialand family life--will circle around your newly found ideals. Many ofthe wealthiest people on our planet have kept their religion first,their family and business second and other activities third. Theirtiming was always right. They were magnetic and happy. Others werehappy to be near them.Resentment is a terrible thing. It affects the astral body and thenthe physical. When there is a health problem, there may well be aforgiveness problem. It is crippling to the astral body and theemotions, because when we resent someone, we can't get them out ofour mind--we are definitely attached to them. Resentment is equallydistributed worldwide. Workers resent their bosses. Bosses resentthe owners. Owners of companies resent the government. This ismodern society today. This is all-pervasive ignorance, and ignoranceadded to ignorance makes ignorance stronger. One resentment adds toanother in the subconscious mind.We must begin the healing by first forgiving ourselves, by claimingour spiritual heritage, gaining a new image of ourselves as abeautiful shining soul of radiant light. Then we can look at theworld through the eyes of Hindu Dharma. The Yajur Veda expounds, "Hewho dwells in the light, yet is other than the light, whom the lightdoes not know, whose body is the light, who controls the light fromwithin--He is the soul within you.Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty." M.K. Gandhi Ji HARI BOL What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail Championship. 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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 In my view the words - Forgetting and Forgiving - are deliberately coined. Forgetting to thank God, man is always for getting, for getting and for getting. God on the other hand is naturally fogiving (His sincere repentents) and is always there for giving, for giving, and for giving. Love God and His devotees for getting Paramananda so the Lord is there ready for giving that eternal bliss in this world or the other. - Pranaams - K.Devanathan , Nanda <nandukother wrote: > > Om Namoh Narayanaya > Om Visnave Namah. > > My humble pranaams to all devotees. > > Only 1/2 of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Ji was forwarded by Capil Ji--I have pasted the rest of it below for anyone interested. > > Anyone who is devoted to God will eventually realise that when bad things happen it is because you are paying off bad Karmas and as a result cannot blame yourself. This is why one is told that one must forgive oneself. The most profound message about Satguru Ji's lecture is when he said that --- > If we forgive the person, we release > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > and we won't be involved in the process at all. > > And he goes on to caution that--it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back in > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > There is a different scenario however when this involves a person with an abusive personality--eg a man abusing his wife and then blames her and tells her that she made him abuse her/she made him treat her badly etc and then accuses her of abusing him. Physiologists calls this Projection---when the abuser projects all his qualities onto his victim and accuses the victim of being everything that he/she(the abuser) is. After reading Satguru Ji's lecture, this abusive man will now forgive himself as he believes in his sick/corrupted mind that he is not the abuser--his wife is the abuser. So what happens then?? This of course is where Bhagwaan was very precise is demonstrating how He Deals with people who > a. Commit sin > b.Harasses His Devotees > > a.When someone commits sin --Bhagwaan says that He gives everyone a chance to absolve........ > Even if a man of the most sinful conduct worship Me with undeviating devotion, he must be reckoned as righteous for he has rightly resolved. 9.30 > As long as one becomes close to Bhagwaan--automatically one will become " righteous " . A sinful person is never close to God. If you have been sinful and wants to become close to God --you will at once know that you have to do the necessary Prascitta as no devotee of Bhagwaan will ever intentionally harm/hurt another. > > b.This applies to the case where the person abuses his/her victim and then blames the victim and therefore " forgive " him/herself. This kind of person is often referred to as a Psychopath(one without a conscience). There are countless examples of how Bhagwaan has dealt with these type of Characters. He shows No Mercy to them. The Blessed Lord did not tell Arjuna Ji to forgive His Grandfather, Guru Ji, his cousins etc who committed sinful acts to them and to an innocent woman. The Blessed Lord was most displeased at Arjuna Ji when the latter decided to forgive these sinners. The Blessed Lord told Arjuna Ji to pick up his weapons and destroy those that committed sin and those that condoned the sinful acts. > > We always have to remember the lessons of The Lord--what He Preached/what he extolled us to do. When the Sage Durvasa in anger tried to destroy His Devotee Ambarisa--what happened?Bhagwaan didn't side with Durvasa, a Divine Sage--instead He sent him straight back to his victim and told him to seek forgiveness at his( Ambarisa's) feet. > > So while it is easy to forgive oneself when one has done no harm to another, when one has done/committed sin on others--one must at once do the necessary Pracitta, then seek to forgive ones self for you have rightly resolved. But for someone who is hell-bent on self destruction by refusing to accept responsibility for the wrongs/sins they have committed --- one must allow these sinful ones who do not want to " rightly resolve'' their sinful ways---to reap the just fruits of their sinful acts as Bhagwaan has demonstrated Himself > > It is Bhagwaan alone knows all --we cannot hide anything from Him nor trick Him. He knows who is the sinner and who is innocent. If one has not committed a sinful act/harmed His devotee--then one need not have to worry............. > > TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM > Om Tat Sat Sri Krsnaparamastu. > > In His Service, > Nandrani > > The continuation of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami Ji > > External worship and internal worship, external surrender and > internal surrender, bring about the softening of the ego and the > unveiling of spirit. > > What is resentment? Resentment is pranic force, subtle energy, that > is congested. What is love? Love is pranic force that is flowing and > uncongested. When someone performs an injustice towards us, they are > giving us a conglomerate of congested prana. If we were able to look > at it in the astral world, we would see it as a confused mass of > disharmonious colors and shapes. If we are unable to remain > detached, we become upset and resentful. Instinctively, this prana > is held by us and only released when we find it in our heart to > forgive the person. At the moment of true forgiveness, the congested > prana is transferred back to the person who harmed or insulted us. > Now we can see that when we resent or hold something against > someone, we are actually astrally connected to them and, in fact, > holding back the karma that will automatically come to them as a > result of their harmful act. If we forgive the person, we release > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > and we won't be involved in the process at all. That is why the > Tirukural, a wonderful book written 2,000 years ago, tells > us, " Though unjustly afflicted, it is best to suffer the suffering > and refrain from unrighteous retaliation. Let a man conquer by > forbearance those who in their arrogance have wronged him (157-8). " > > However, it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back in > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > To be affectionately detached--that is a power. That is a wisdom. > Being detached does not mean running away from life or being > insensitive or passively accepting harm to yourself or loved ones. > When we have the ability to let go, through forgiveness, we are > warmer, more friendly, more wholesome, more human and closer to our > family and friends. > > Just the opposite happens if we remain attached by resenting that > which happened in the past. Take the example of a teenager who sees > a wonderful future ahead of him. Experiences begin to happen in his > life, some of which are unpleasant. If these are not resolved, > negative prana begins piling up within his subconscious mind, > vasanas are made, and the future begins to diminish from view. Year > after year as he gets older, the past gets bigger and bigger and > bigger, and the future gets smaller and smaller and smaller. > Finally, there is so much resentment that the once joyful adolescent > grows into a depressed and bitter adult. Eventually he develops > cancer and dies lonely and miserable. > > We recently learned that the oldest person in the world is a 118- > year-old lady in Canada who happens to be vegetarian. She is quite > up in the news and in the Guinness Book of Records. In a study of > her life, and that of several others over age 110, it was > asked, " Why has she lived so long? Why is she still living? " The > answer is that these elderly folk are optimistic. They see a future, > and that keeps them living. They must be easy-going and probably > have a philosophy of forgiveness toward what anybody has done to > them along the way. People who are successful at flowing with the > events of life do not hold onto a lot of resentment or congested > pranas. It is when hate and resentment become a way of life that we > begin to worry and wonder what life is all about. > > The wise have given a remedy, an effective penance, prayaschitta, > that can be performed to get rid of the bundle of past resentment > and experience forgiveness and the abundance of divine energy that > comes as an aftermath. Collect two pieces of paper for every year of > your life, and write down in detail all the resentments, > misunderstandings, conflicts and confusions that you are still > holding onto. When each page is completed, crumple it up and burn it > in a garbage can. When the mind sees the fire consuming the paper, > it intuits that the burden is gone. It is the emotion connected to > the imbedded experience that actually goes away. When this vasana > daha tantra, subconscious purification by fire, is complete, you > will never feel the same again. If it works for you, send a letter > to the editor to encourage others. > > After this spiritual experience, religious life, or Hindu Dharma, > will be first in your life. All other activities--business, social > and family life--will circle around your newly found ideals. Many of > the wealthiest people on our planet have kept their religion first, > their family and business second and other activities third. Their > timing was always right. They were magnetic and happy. Others were > happy to be near them. > > Resentment is a terrible thing. It affects the astral body and then > the physical. When there is a health problem, there may well be a > forgiveness problem. It is crippling to the astral body and the > emotions, because when we resent someone, we can't get them out of > our mind--we are definitely attached to them. Resentment is equally > distributed worldwide. Workers resent their bosses. Bosses resent > the owners. Owners of companies resent the government. This is > modern society today. This is all-pervasive ignorance, and ignorance > added to ignorance makes ignorance stronger. One resentment adds to > another in the subconscious mind. > > We must begin the healing by first forgiving ourselves, by claiming > our spiritual heritage, gaining a new image of ourselves as a > beautiful shining soul of radiant light. Then we can look at the > world through the eyes of Hindu Dharma. The Yajur Veda expounds, " He > who dwells in the light, yet is other than the light, whom the light > does not know, whose body is the light, who controls the light from > within--He is the soul within you. " > > > > > " Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty. " M.K. Gandhi Ji > > HARI BOL > > > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail Championship. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 , " kdevanathan31 " <kdevanathan31 wrote: > > In my view the words - Forgetting and Forgiving - are deliberately > coined. Forgetting to thank God, man is always for getting, for > getting and for getting. God on the other hand is naturally fogiving > (His sincere repentents) and is always there for giving, for giving, > and for giving. Love God and His devotees for getting Paramananda so > the Lord is there ready for giving that eternal bliss in this world > or the other. - Pranaams - K.Devanathan > > > > > > , Nanda <nandukother@> wrote: > > > > Om Namoh Narayanaya > > Om Visnave Namah. > > > > My humble pranaams to all devotees. > > > > Only 1/2 of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami Ji was forwarded by Capil Ji--I have pasted the rest > of it below for anyone interested. > > > > Anyone who is devoted to God will eventually realise that when > bad things happen it is because you are paying off bad Karmas and as > a result cannot blame yourself. This is why one is told that one must > forgive oneself. The most profound message about Satguru Ji's lecture > is when he said that --- > > If we forgive the person, we release > > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > > and we won't be involved in the process at all. > > > > And he goes on to caution that--it would not be wise to accept > the transgressor back in > > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > > > There is a different scenario however when this involves a person > with an abusive personality--eg a man abusing his wife and then > blames her and tells her that she made him abuse her/she made him > treat her badly etc and then accuses her of abusing him. > Physiologists calls this Projection---when the abuser projects all > his qualities onto his victim and accuses the victim of being > everything that he/she(the abuser) is. After reading Satguru Ji's > lecture, this abusive man will now forgive himself as he believes in > his sick/corrupted mind that he is not the abuser--his wife is the > abuser. So what happens then?? This of course is where Bhagwaan was > very precise is demonstrating how He Deals with people who > > a. Commit sin > > b.Harasses His Devotees > > > > a.When someone commits sin --Bhagwaan says that He gives everyone > a chance to absolve........ > > Even if a man of the most sinful conduct worship Me with > undeviating devotion, he must be reckoned as righteous for he has > rightly resolved. 9.30 > > As long as one becomes close to Bhagwaan--automatically one will > become " righteous " . A sinful person is never close to God. If you > have been sinful and wants to become close to God --you will at once > know that you have to do the necessary Prascitta as no devotee of > Bhagwaan will ever intentionally harm/hurt another. > > > > b.This applies to the case where the person abuses his/her victim > and then blames the victim and therefore " forgive " him/herself. This > kind of person is often referred to as a Psychopath(one without a > conscience). There are countless examples of how Bhagwaan has dealt > with these type of Characters. He shows No Mercy to them. The Blessed > Lord did not tell Arjuna Ji to forgive His Grandfather, Guru Ji, his > cousins etc who committed sinful acts to them and to an innocent > woman. The Blessed Lord was most displeased at Arjuna Ji when the > latter decided to forgive these sinners. The Blessed Lord told Arjuna > Ji to pick up his weapons and destroy those that committed sin and > those that condoned the sinful acts. > > > > We always have to remember the lessons of The Lord--what He > Preached/what he extolled us to do. When the Sage Durvasa in anger > tried to destroy His Devotee Ambarisa--what happened?Bhagwaan didn't > side with Durvasa, a Divine Sage--instead He sent him straight back > to his victim and told him to seek forgiveness at his( Ambarisa's) > feet. > > > > So while it is easy to forgive oneself when one has done no harm > to another, when one has done/committed sin on others--one must at > once do the necessary Pracitta, then seek to forgive ones self for > you have rightly resolved. But for someone who is hell-bent on self > destruction by refusing to accept responsibility for the wrongs/sins > they have committed --- one must allow these sinful ones who do not > want to " rightly resolve'' their sinful ways---to reap the just > fruits of their sinful acts as Bhagwaan has demonstrated Himself > > > > It is Bhagwaan alone knows all --we cannot hide anything from > Him nor trick Him. He knows who is the sinner and who is innocent. If > one has not committed a sinful act/harmed His devotee--then one need > not have to worry............. > > > > TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM > > Om Tat Sat Sri Krsnaparamastu. > > > > In His Service, > > Nandrani > > > > The continuation of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami Ji > > > > External worship and internal worship, external surrender and > > internal surrender, bring about the softening of the ego and the > > unveiling of spirit. > > > > What is resentment? Resentment is pranic force, subtle energy, that > > is congested. What is love? Love is pranic force that is flowing and > > uncongested. When someone performs an injustice towards us, they are > > giving us a conglomerate of congested prana. If we were able to look > > at it in the astral world, we would see it as a confused mass of > > disharmonious colors and shapes. If we are unable to remain > > detached, we become upset and resentful. Instinctively, this prana > > is held by us and only released when we find it in our heart to > > forgive the person. At the moment of true forgiveness, the congested > > prana is transferred back to the person who harmed or insulted us. > > Now we can see that when we resent or hold something against > > someone, we are actually astrally connected to them and, in fact, > > holding back the karma that will automatically come to them as a > > result of their harmful act. If we forgive the person, we release > > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > > and we won't be involved in the process at all. That is why the > > Tirukural, a wonderful book written 2,000 years ago, tells > > us, " Though unjustly afflicted, it is best to suffer the suffering > > and refrain from unrighteous retaliation. Let a man conquer by > > forbearance those who in their arrogance have wronged him (157- 8). " > > > > However, it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back in > > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > > > To be affectionately detached--that is a power. That is a wisdom. > > Being detached does not mean running away from life or being > > insensitive or passively accepting harm to yourself or loved ones. > > When we have the ability to let go, through forgiveness, we are > > warmer, more friendly, more wholesome, more human and closer to our > > family and friends. > > > > Just the opposite happens if we remain attached by resenting that > > which happened in the past. Take the example of a teenager who sees > > a wonderful future ahead of him. Experiences begin to happen in his > > life, some of which are unpleasant. If these are not resolved, > > negative prana begins piling up within his subconscious mind, > > vasanas are made, and the future begins to diminish from view. Year > > after year as he gets older, the past gets bigger and bigger and > > bigger, and the future gets smaller and smaller and smaller. > > Finally, there is so much resentment that the once joyful adolescent > > grows into a depressed and bitter adult. Eventually he develops > > cancer and dies lonely and miserable. > > > > We recently learned that the oldest person in the world is a 118- > > year-old lady in Canada who happens to be vegetarian. She is quite > > up in the news and in the Guinness Book of Records. In a study of > > her life, and that of several others over age 110, it was > > asked, " Why has she lived so long? Why is she still living? " The > > answer is that these elderly folk are optimistic. They see a future, > > and that keeps them living. They must be easy-going and probably > > have a philosophy of forgiveness toward what anybody has done to > > them along the way. People who are successful at flowing with the > > events of life do not hold onto a lot of resentment or congested > > pranas. It is when hate and resentment become a way of life that we > > begin to worry and wonder what life is all about. > > > > The wise have given a remedy, an effective penance, prayaschitta, > > that can be performed to get rid of the bundle of past resentment > > and experience forgiveness and the abundance of divine energy that > > comes as an aftermath. Collect two pieces of paper for every year of > > your life, and write down in detail all the resentments, > > misunderstandings, conflicts and confusions that you are still > > holding onto. When each page is completed, crumple it up and burn it > > in a garbage can. When the mind sees the fire consuming the paper, > > it intuits that the burden is gone. It is the emotion connected to > > the imbedded experience that actually goes away. When this vasana > > daha tantra, subconscious purification by fire, is complete, you > > will never feel the same again. If it works for you, send a letter > > to the editor to encourage others. > > > > After this spiritual experience, religious life, or Hindu Dharma, > > will be first in your life. All other activities--business, social > > and family life--will circle around your newly found ideals. Many of > > the wealthiest people on our planet have kept their religion first, > > their family and business second and other activities third. Their > > timing was always right. They were magnetic and happy. Others were > > happy to be near them. > > > > Resentment is a terrible thing. It affects the astral body and then > > the physical. When there is a health problem, there may well be a > > forgiveness problem. It is crippling to the astral body and the > > emotions, because when we resent someone, we can't get them out of > > our mind--we are definitely attached to them. Resentment is equally > > distributed worldwide. Workers resent their bosses. Bosses resent > > the owners. Owners of companies resent the government. This is > > modern society today. This is all-pervasive ignorance, and ignorance > > added to ignorance makes ignorance stronger. One resentment adds to > > another in the subconscious mind. > > > > We must begin the healing by first forgiving ourselves, by claiming > > our spiritual heritage, gaining a new image of ourselves as a > > beautiful shining soul of radiant light. Then we can look at the > > world through the eyes of Hindu Dharma. The Yajur Veda expounds, " He > > who dwells in the light, yet is other than the light, whom the light > > does not know, whose body is the light, who controls the light from > > within--He is the soul within you. " > > > > > > > > > > " Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty. " M.K. Gandhi Ji > > > > HARI BOL > > > > > > > > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis > of your email personality. 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Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I fully agree with this. In Vedic literatures, there is no word such as forgiving and forgiveness day. All the Vedic literatures teach us to be compassionate (karunya). When there is compassion, there is no question of crime and forgiveness. Thanks & Hare Krishna Ajeet , " kdevanathan31 " <kdevanathan31 wrote: > > In my view the words - Forgetting and Forgiving - are deliberately > coined. Forgetting to thank God, man is always for getting, for > getting and for getting. God on the other hand is naturally fogiving > (His sincere repentents) and is always there for giving, for giving, > and for giving. Love God and His devotees for getting Paramananda so > the Lord is there ready for giving that eternal bliss in this world > or the other. - Pranaams - K.Devanathan > > > > > > , Nanda <nandukother@> wrote: > > > > Om Namoh Narayanaya > > Om Visnave Namah. > > > > My humble pranaams to all devotees. > > > > Only 1/2 of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami Ji was forwarded by Capil Ji--I have pasted the rest > of it below for anyone interested. > > > > Anyone who is devoted to God will eventually realise that when > bad things happen it is because you are paying off bad Karmas and as > a result cannot blame yourself. This is why one is told that one must > forgive oneself. The most profound message about Satguru Ji's lecture > is when he said that --- > > If we forgive the person, we release > > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > > and we won't be involved in the process at all. > > > > And he goes on to caution that--it would not be wise to accept > the transgressor back in > > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > > > There is a different scenario however when this involves a person > with an abusive personality--eg a man abusing his wife and then > blames her and tells her that she made him abuse her/she made him > treat her badly etc and then accuses her of abusing him. > Physiologists calls this Projection---when the abuser projects all > his qualities onto his victim and accuses the victim of being > everything that he/she(the abuser) is. After reading Satguru Ji's > lecture, this abusive man will now forgive himself as he believes in > his sick/corrupted mind that he is not the abuser--his wife is the > abuser. So what happens then?? This of course is where Bhagwaan was > very precise is demonstrating how He Deals with people who > > a. Commit sin > > b.Harasses His Devotees > > > > a.When someone commits sin --Bhagwaan says that He gives everyone > a chance to absolve........ > > Even if a man of the most sinful conduct worship Me with > undeviating devotion, he must be reckoned as righteous for he has > rightly resolved. 9.30 > > As long as one becomes close to Bhagwaan--automatically one will > become " righteous " . A sinful person is never close to God. If you > have been sinful and wants to become close to God --you will at once > know that you have to do the necessary Prascitta as no devotee of > Bhagwaan will ever intentionally harm/hurt another. > > > > b.This applies to the case where the person abuses his/her victim > and then blames the victim and therefore " forgive " him/herself. This > kind of person is often referred to as a Psychopath(one without a > conscience). There are countless examples of how Bhagwaan has dealt > with these type of Characters. He shows No Mercy to them. The Blessed > Lord did not tell Arjuna Ji to forgive His Grandfather, Guru Ji, his > cousins etc who committed sinful acts to them and to an innocent > woman. The Blessed Lord was most displeased at Arjuna Ji when the > latter decided to forgive these sinners. The Blessed Lord told Arjuna > Ji to pick up his weapons and destroy those that committed sin and > those that condoned the sinful acts. > > > > We always have to remember the lessons of The Lord--what He > Preached/what he extolled us to do. When the Sage Durvasa in anger > tried to destroy His Devotee Ambarisa--what happened?Bhagwaan didn't > side with Durvasa, a Divine Sage--instead He sent him straight back > to his victim and told him to seek forgiveness at his( Ambarisa's) > feet. > > > > So while it is easy to forgive oneself when one has done no harm > to another, when one has done/committed sin on others--one must at > once do the necessary Pracitta, then seek to forgive ones self for > you have rightly resolved. But for someone who is hell-bent on self > destruction by refusing to accept responsibility for the wrongs/sins > they have committed --- one must allow these sinful ones who do not > want to " rightly resolve'' their sinful ways---to reap the just > fruits of their sinful acts as Bhagwaan has demonstrated Himself > > > > It is Bhagwaan alone knows all --we cannot hide anything from > Him nor trick Him. He knows who is the sinner and who is innocent. If > one has not committed a sinful act/harmed His devotee--then one need > not have to worry............. > > > > TAD VISNOH PARAMAM PADAM > > Om Tat Sat Sri Krsnaparamastu. > > > > In His Service, > > Nandrani > > > > The continuation of the article on Forgiveness by Satguru Sivaya > Subramuniyaswami Ji > > > > External worship and internal worship, external surrender and > > internal surrender, bring about the softening of the ego and the > > unveiling of spirit. > > > > What is resentment? Resentment is pranic force, subtle energy, that > > is congested. What is love? Love is pranic force that is flowing and > > uncongested. When someone performs an injustice towards us, they are > > giving us a conglomerate of congested prana. If we were able to look > > at it in the astral world, we would see it as a confused mass of > > disharmonious colors and shapes. If we are unable to remain > > detached, we become upset and resentful. Instinctively, this prana > > is held by us and only released when we find it in our heart to > > forgive the person. At the moment of true forgiveness, the congested > > prana is transferred back to the person who harmed or insulted us. > > Now we can see that when we resent or hold something against > > someone, we are actually astrally connected to them and, in fact, > > holding back the karma that will automatically come to them as a > > result of their harmful act. If we forgive the person, we release > > the congested energy. Then the unfailing karmic law begins to work. > > In other words, their actions will cause a reaction back on them, > > and we won't be involved in the process at all. That is why the > > Tirukural, a wonderful book written 2,000 years ago, tells > > us, " Though unjustly afflicted, it is best to suffer the suffering > > and refrain from unrighteous retaliation. Let a man conquer by > > forbearance those who in their arrogance have wronged him (157- 8). " > > > > However, it would not be wise to accept the transgressor back in > > your life until true remorse is shown and resentment on their part > > is dissolved through apology and reconciliation. Otherwise, wisdom > > indicates they might just perform the same hurtful acts again. > > > > To be affectionately detached--that is a power. That is a wisdom. > > Being detached does not mean running away from life or being > > insensitive or passively accepting harm to yourself or loved ones. > > When we have the ability to let go, through forgiveness, we are > > warmer, more friendly, more wholesome, more human and closer to our > > family and friends. > > > > Just the opposite happens if we remain attached by resenting that > > which happened in the past. Take the example of a teenager who sees > > a wonderful future ahead of him. Experiences begin to happen in his > > life, some of which are unpleasant. If these are not resolved, > > negative prana begins piling up within his subconscious mind, > > vasanas are made, and the future begins to diminish from view. Year > > after year as he gets older, the past gets bigger and bigger and > > bigger, and the future gets smaller and smaller and smaller. > > Finally, there is so much resentment that the once joyful adolescent > > grows into a depressed and bitter adult. Eventually he develops > > cancer and dies lonely and miserable. > > > > We recently learned that the oldest person in the world is a 118- > > year-old lady in Canada who happens to be vegetarian. She is quite > > up in the news and in the Guinness Book of Records. In a study of > > her life, and that of several others over age 110, it was > > asked, " Why has she lived so long? Why is she still living? " The > > answer is that these elderly folk are optimistic. They see a future, > > and that keeps them living. They must be easy-going and probably > > have a philosophy of forgiveness toward what anybody has done to > > them along the way. People who are successful at flowing with the > > events of life do not hold onto a lot of resentment or congested > > pranas. It is when hate and resentment become a way of life that we > > begin to worry and wonder what life is all about. > > > > The wise have given a remedy, an effective penance, prayaschitta, > > that can be performed to get rid of the bundle of past resentment > > and experience forgiveness and the abundance of divine energy that > > comes as an aftermath. Collect two pieces of paper for every year of > > your life, and write down in detail all the resentments, > > misunderstandings, conflicts and confusions that you are still > > holding onto. When each page is completed, crumple it up and burn it > > in a garbage can. When the mind sees the fire consuming the paper, > > it intuits that the burden is gone. It is the emotion connected to > > the imbedded experience that actually goes away. When this vasana > > daha tantra, subconscious purification by fire, is complete, you > > will never feel the same again. If it works for you, send a letter > > to the editor to encourage others. > > > > After this spiritual experience, religious life, or Hindu Dharma, > > will be first in your life. All other activities--business, social > > and family life--will circle around your newly found ideals. Many of > > the wealthiest people on our planet have kept their religion first, > > their family and business second and other activities third. Their > > timing was always right. They were magnetic and happy. Others were > > happy to be near them. > > > > Resentment is a terrible thing. It affects the astral body and then > > the physical. When there is a health problem, there may well be a > > forgiveness problem. It is crippling to the astral body and the > > emotions, because when we resent someone, we can't get them out of > > our mind--we are definitely attached to them. Resentment is equally > > distributed worldwide. Workers resent their bosses. Bosses resent > > the owners. Owners of companies resent the government. This is > > modern society today. This is all-pervasive ignorance, and ignorance > > added to ignorance makes ignorance stronger. One resentment adds to > > another in the subconscious mind. > > > > We must begin the healing by first forgiving ourselves, by claiming > > our spiritual heritage, gaining a new image of ourselves as a > > beautiful shining soul of radiant light. Then we can look at the > > world through the eyes of Hindu Dharma. The Yajur Veda expounds, " He > > who dwells in the light, yet is other than the light, whom the light > > does not know, whose body is the light, who controls the light from > > within--He is the soul within you. " > > > > > > > > > > " Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty. " M.K. Gandhi Ji > > > > HARI BOL > > > > > > > > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis > of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail > Championship. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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