Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Dear Friends , Any devotional Forum like this "-group" which discuss about Lord Krishna is like a Mandir . Recitation of "Mlecha-verses" is forbidden in a Mandir . Because of the desire to attract non-Hindus, if somebody resorts to the recitation of "Mlecha-verses " in any form , it is an abuse against Hinduism ( Eternal way of living according to the Vedas). Hidden Agenda of Mlechas Often the born Asuras ( demons) following the anti-Vedic `Mlecha-religions' , join the Hindu discussions uninvited, just for the purpose of forcing their hidden agenda ( rejection of Deity worship and Vedic faith) in a step-by-step manner . At first , the disguised `Mlecha' pretends to praise the "liberal" nature of the " all-accepting " Hinduism . Next, they distort the Vedic scriptures and quote "opposing verses" from own Mlecha-books to confuse the Hindus . Finally, they declare that , true God has forbidden Deity worship and therefore it is time for the unbelievers (Hindus) to convert to the " true religion " ( Abrahamic religion) . The Mlecha-books permit it's followers to use any type of treachery against the unbelievers . According to it , truthfulness is meant only for the dealings within own religion . The unbelievers are to be converted at any cost ; and if it is not possible confusion to be created among them to divide and conquer . Vedas , the Literary form of Lord Krishna The Vedas are the literary forms of Lord Krishna . Divinities like Ramanujacharya and Lord Chaitanya were fully aware of the dangers of the "Mlecha- agenda" . Therefore, they always adhered to the Vedas in their teachings and never quoted from "Mlecha books " . When certain pious men born in the "Mlecha religions sought the spiritual guidance of these Acharyas , they were duly converted into Vedic followers . Greed of some Modern Hindu Organizations In this age of Kali , many Hindus are systematically corrupted by Mlecha-association' . They misinterpret even Gita clauses like 18.66 to blaspheme that Lord Krishna asked to give up Vedas . None has the authority to change the Vedas . Bhagavad Gita is the epitome of Vedas. Lord Krishna has never ever spoken a single word against the Vedas . In fact , in His Gita advice , the Supreme Lord always quotes from the teachings of Rishis ( who were initially created and entrusted by the Lord Himself to propagate Vedic dharma ) . Unlike the single book based Abrahamic religions , there is Zero scope for "opportunism" in Vedic Sanatana Dharma . Any person having 100% faith in the Vedas is a Hindu whereas the one who rejects it and blasphme is a `Mlecha '. Unfortunately , certain organizations that originated for the propagation of Vedic faith , gradually got carried away by materialism . They selfishly amended the Vedic regulations to attain quick success . They involuntarily mixed-up the Vedic scriptures with "Mlecha-books" and even employed unqualified Mlecha men and women as Sannyasins and Pujaris . To them destination justifies the path . Ultimately , such Organizations have fallen victim to the internal contradictions thereby distancing from the grace of Lord Krishna. Conclusion Lord Krishna says in Gita 16. 23-24 & 18.67 " He who discards the rules and regulations of Vedic scriptures and acts in an arbitrary way according to his own will, attains neither perfection nor happiness nor the supreme destination. Therefore, let the Vedic scripture be your authority in determining what should be done and what should not be done. You should perform your duty following the scriptural injunction . This confidential knowledge (Gita) should never be spoken by you to one who is devoid of austerity, who is without devotion, who does not desire to listen, or is envious of Me " . Hinduism is absoultely self reliant to explain it's philosophy . And it does not require external support from Abrahamic books to prove the relevance of Lord Krishna the God of Gods . May the merciful Lord Krishna bless you all to adhere to the Vedas at all times without fail !!! Regards, Narayana -- , "sanjeev" <punjsanjeev wrote:>> In my humble opinion, the only lesson we can learn from this message> is that even the muslims indirectly worship Krishna, because Krishna> is the ONE LORD of all Beings. The writer of this article Sri Krishna> Hari Das> Dr Satish Gosain MBBS DNB i Med> Congregational Preacher, ISKCON, Delhi.> 098-913-86194, 2512-5595, 2512-8754> > can be contacted and asked what he means. What has fascinated me is> that even the muslims do believe that Allah has a face, I don't think> this is an attempt to convert, but to show the fact that there is> only one authority over all beings, Lord Krishna. It all depends on how people will interpret it, because each would have a different opinion. I disagree that Hinduism has been abused here, not at all, Hinduism has not been mentioned, the author has simply tried to say that Allah has a form,which the muslims also do not know because the Prophet Mohammed was dazzled by the Brahmjyoti itself and could not bear to see the form that was behind the light. We as devotees of Krishna however know that this form is Lord Krishna Himself, because it is described by Lord Krishna that> > na tad bhasayate suryo> na sasanko na pavakah> yad gatva na nivartante> tad dhama paramam mama> > That supreme abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by fire or electricity. Those who reach it never return to this material world.> > PURPORT> > The spiritual world, the abode of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna -- which is known as Krsnaloka, Goloka Vrndavana -- is described here. In the spiritual sky there is no need of sunshine, moonshine, fire or electricity, because all the planets are self-luminous. We have only one planet in this universe, the sun, which is self-luminous, but all the planets in the spiritual sky are self-luminous. The shining effulgence of all those planets (called Vaikunthas) constitutes the shining sky known as the brahmajyoti. Actually, the effulgence is emanating from the planet of Krsna, Goloka Vrndavana. - thus ends the purport by AC Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada.> > Thus what Prophet Mohammed saw was that effulgence of light emanating from KrishnaLoka, perhaps. This is my interpretation, I humbly state that I am not trying to defend the writer, but to see things from his viewpoint. For a devotee who sees Krishna in every being, thare can be no other lesson to learn.> > > > , "narayana_das77"> narayana_das77@ wrote:> >> > DEAR FRIENDS,> >> > WHAT MORAL LESSON DO WE LEARN FROM THIS RUBBISH MESSAGE ? . SHOULD> > WE BREAK THE TEMPLES AND SLAUGHTER INNOCENT MILLIONS LIKE THE> > FANATIC MUSLIM-TYRANTS OF YESTERYEARS . ONE CAN'T EAT POISON> > WITHOUT A TINGE OF SWEET . CAITANYA'S NAME IS MENITONED HERE TO> > BULLY THE READERS . AUTHOR'S REAL INTENTION IS TO ABUSE HINDUISM> AND> > PROMOTE CONVERSION .> >> > Rgds,> >> > NARAYANA> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 If a Hindu becomes contaminated by association with a muslim then he is a weak Hindu. Only those truly aware of Krishna in each and every being will remain unaffected by such association. Weak people will automatically be contaminated, even without associating with Mlechhas. Religiousity is the outwardly perceptible symptom of spirituality. There is a nice example to show the distinction between religiosity and spirituality--that is, real religion. It is the story about a great saintly person by the name of Haridas Thakur. Born in a Mohammedan family, Haridas Thakur lived in the fifteenth century in India. He was a follower of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu Who taught him the power of the Holy Names of God. He was declared by Lord Chaitanya to be " Nama Acharya " --spiritual master of the Holy Names. Wherever he went, he was chanting, " Gopala, Govinda, Rama, Krishna, Haribol, Haribol. " And he would be getting all kinds of crowds singing and chanting with him. In this way, Haridas Thakur influenced many, many people to hear and chant the Names of God. He was not claiming he was Hindu; he was not claiming he was Muslim. And yet, he was truly a spiritual person directly influencing people in their spiritual life by giving them the Names of God. So this group has maintained its quality by opening its doors to everyone. As you have noticed, we are not supressing anyone's opinions but allowing a dialogue to continue, otherwise the group simply gets boring and passive. I personally thank Narayana Dasa Prabhu to have come forward and place his opinions boldly.However if the mention of those verses in the forwarded message has offended anyone, please let me know directly, we can delete that message and put an end to the arguments. , " narayana_das77 " <narayana_das77 wrote: > > > Dear Friends , > > Any devotional Forum like this " -group " which > discuss about Lord Krishna is like a Mandir . Recitation of > " Mlecha-verses " is forbidden in a Mandir . Because of the > desire to attract non-Hindus, if somebody resorts to the recitation of > " Mlecha-verses " in any form , it is an abuse against Hinduism ( > Eternal way of living according to the Vedas). > > Hidden Agenda of Mlechas > > Often the born Asuras ( demons) following the anti-Vedic > `Mlecha-religions' , join the Hindu discussions uninvited, just > for the purpose of forcing their hidden agenda ( rejection of Deity > worship and Vedic faith) in a step-by-step manner . At first , the > disguised `Mlecha' pretends to praise the " liberal " > nature of the " all-accepting " Hinduism . Next, they distort the > Vedic scriptures and quote " opposing verses " from own > Mlecha-books to confuse the Hindus . Finally, they declare that , true > God has forbidden Deity worship and therefore it is time for the > unbelievers (Hindus) to convert to the " true religion " ( > Abrahamic religion) . The Mlecha-books permit it's followers to use > any type of treachery against the unbelievers . According to it , > truthfulness is meant only for the dealings within own religion . The > unbelievers are to be converted at any cost ; and if it is not possible > confusion to be created among them to divide and conquer . > > Vedas , the Literary form of Lord Krishna > > The Vedas are the literary forms of Lord Krishna . Divinities like > Ramanujacharya and Lord Chaitanya were fully aware of the dangers of > the " Mlecha- agenda " . Therefore, they always adhered to the > Vedas in their teachings and never quoted from " Mlecha books " . > When certain pious men born in the " Mlecha religions sought the > spiritual guidance of these Acharyas , they were duly converted into > Vedic followers . > > Greed of some Modern Hindu Organizations > > In this age of Kali , many Hindus are systematically corrupted by > Mlecha-association' . They misinterpret even Gita clauses like > 18.66 to blaspheme that Lord Krishna asked to give up Vedas . > > None has the authority to change the Vedas . Bhagavad Gita is the > epitome of Vedas. Lord Krishna has never ever spoken a single word > against the Vedas . In fact , in His Gita advice , the Supreme Lord > always quotes from the teachings of Rishis ( who were initially created > and entrusted by the Lord Himself to propagate Vedic dharma ) . > > Unlike the single book based Abrahamic religions , there is Zero scope > for " opportunism " in Vedic Sanatana Dharma . Any person having > 100% faith in the Vedas is a Hindu whereas the one who rejects it and > blasphme is a `Mlecha '. > > Unfortunately , certain organizations that originated for the > propagation of Vedic faith , gradually got carried away by materialism . > They selfishly amended the Vedic regulations to attain quick success . > They involuntarily mixed-up the Vedic scriptures with > " Mlecha-books " and even employed unqualified Mlecha men and > women as Sannyasins and Pujaris . To them destination justifies the > path . Ultimately , such Organizations have fallen victim to the > internal contradictions thereby distancing from the grace of Lord > Krishna. > > Conclusion > > Lord Krishna says in Gita 16. 23-24 & 18.67 " He who discards the > rules and regulations of Vedic scriptures and acts in an arbitrary way > according to his own will, attains neither perfection nor happiness nor > the supreme destination. Therefore, let the Vedic scripture be your > authority in determining what should be done and what should not be > done. You should perform your duty following the scriptural injunction . > This confidential knowledge (Gita) should never be spoken by you to one > who is devoid of austerity, who is without devotion, who does not desire > to listen, or is envious of Me " . > > Hinduism is absoultely self reliant to explain it's philosophy . And it > does not require external support from Abrahamic books to prove the > relevance of Lord Krishna the God of Gods . > > May the merciful Lord Krishna bless you all to adhere to the Vedas at > all times without fail !!! > > Regards, > > Narayana > > > -- > , " sanjeev " <punjsanjeev@> > wrote: > > > > In my humble opinion, the only lesson we can learn from this message > > is that even the muslims indirectly worship Krishna, because Krishna > > is the ONE LORD of all Beings. The writer of this article Sri Krishna > > Hari Das > > Dr Satish Gosain MBBS DNB i Med > > Congregational Preacher, ISKCON, Delhi. > > 098-913-86194, 2512-5595, 2512-8754 > > > > can be contacted and asked what he means. What has fascinated me is > > that even the muslims do believe that Allah has a face, I don't think > > this is an attempt to convert, but to show the fact that there is > > only one authority over all beings, Lord Krishna. It all depends on > how people will interpret it, because each would have a different > opinion. I disagree that Hinduism has been abused here, not at all, > Hinduism has not been mentioned, the author has simply tried to say that > Allah has a form,which the muslims also do not know because the Prophet > Mohammed was dazzled by the Brahmjyoti itself and could not bear to see > the form that was behind the light. We as devotees of Krishna however > know that this form is Lord Krishna Himself, because it is described by > Lord Krishna that > > > > na tad bhasayate suryo > > na sasanko na pavakah > > yad gatva na nivartante > > tad dhama paramam mama > > > > That supreme abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by > fire or electricity. Those who reach it never return to this material > world. > > > > PURPORT > > > > The spiritual world, the abode of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, > Krsna -- which is known as Krsnaloka, Goloka Vrndavana -- is described > here. In the spiritual sky there is no need of sunshine, moonshine, fire > or electricity, because all the planets are self-luminous. We have only > one planet in this universe, the sun, which is self-luminous, but all > the planets in the spiritual sky are self-luminous. The shining > effulgence of all those planets (called Vaikunthas) constitutes the > shining sky known as the brahmajyoti. Actually, the effulgence is > emanating from the planet of Krsna, Goloka Vrndavana. - thus ends the > purport by AC Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada. > > > > Thus what Prophet Mohammed saw was that effulgence of light emanating > from KrishnaLoka, perhaps. This is my interpretation, I humbly state > that I am not trying to defend the writer, but to see things from his > viewpoint. For a devotee who sees Krishna in every being, thare can be > no other lesson to learn. > > > > > > > > , " narayana_das77 " > > narayana_das77@ wrote: > > > > > > DEAR FRIENDS, > > > > > > WHAT MORAL LESSON DO WE LEARN FROM THIS RUBBISH MESSAGE ? . SHOULD > > > WE BREAK THE TEMPLES AND SLAUGHTER INNOCENT MILLIONS LIKE THE > > > FANATIC MUSLIM-TYRANTS OF YESTERYEARS . ONE CAN'T EAT POISON > > > WITHOUT A TINGE OF SWEET . CAITANYA'S NAME IS MENITONED HERE TO > > > BULLY THE READERS . AUTHOR'S REAL INTENTION IS TO ABUSE HINDUISM > > AND > > > PROMOTE CONVERSION . > > > > > > Rgds, > > > > > > NARAYANA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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