THE GREATEST SCIENTIST

[Guest guest]

Bob: What is the proper duty of the teacher in

society? Let us say a

science teacher. What should he be doing in the

classroom?

Srila Prabhupada: Classroom? You should simply teach

about Krsna.

Bob: He should not teach about...

Srila Prabhupada: No. That will include everything.

His aim should be to

know Krsna.

Bob: Can a scientist teach the science of combining

acid and alkaline,

and this kind of science, with Krsna as its object?

Srila Prabhupada: How can it be?

Bob: If you--when one studies science, one finds

general tendencies of

nature, and these general tendencies of nature point

to a controlling

force....

Srila Prabhupada: That I was explaining the other day.

I asked one

chemist whether, according to chemical formulas,

hydrogen and oxygen

linked together become water. Do they not?

Bob: It's true.

Srila Prabhupada: Now, there is a vast amount of water

in the Atlantic

Ocean and Pacific Ocean. What quantity of chemicals

was required?

Bob: How much?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. How many tons?

Bob: Many!

Srila Prabhupada: So who supplied it?

Bob: This was supplied by God.

Srila Prabhupada: Somebody must have supplied it.

Bob: Yes.

Srila Prabhupada: So that is science. You can teach

like that.

Bob: Should one bother teaching that if you combine

acid and alkaline

they form a neutral?

Srila Prabhupada: The same thing. There are so many

effervescents. So,

who is performing it? Who is supplying the acid and

alkaline? [There is

a long pause.]

Bob: So this comes from the same source as the water.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. You cannot manufacture water

unless you have

hydrogen and oxygen. So, here is a vast--not only this

Atlantic or

Pacific: there are millions of planets, and there are

millions of

Atlantic and Pacific oceans. So who created this water

with hydrogen and

oxygen, and how was it supplied? That is our question.

Somebody must

have supplied it, otherwise how has it come into

existence?

Bob: But should it also be taught how you make water

from hydrogen and

oxygen? The procedure of burning them together--should

this also be

taught? That is, you burn hydrogen and oxygen

together...

Srila Prabhupada: That is secondary. That is not very

difficult. Just

like Malati made this puri [a kind of bread]. So,

there is flour, and

there is ghee [clarified butter], and she made a puri.

But unless there

is ghee and flour, where is the chance of making a

puri? In the

Bhagavad-gita there is this statement: " Water, earth,

air, fire--they

are My energies. " What is your body? This external

body--that is your

energy. Do you know that? Your body is made out of

your energy. For

example, I am eating...

Bob: Yes.

Srila Prabhupada: So I am creating some energy, and

therefore my body is

maintained.

Bob: Oh, I see.

Srila Prabhupada: So therefore your body is made out

of your energy.

Bob: But when you eat the food, there is energy from

the sun in the

food.

Srila Prabhupada: So, I am giving an example. I am

creating some energy

by digesting the food, and that is maintaining my

body. If your energy

supply is not proper, then your body becomes weak or

unhealthy. Your

body is made out of your own energy. Similarly, this

gigantic cosmic

body--the universe--is made of Krsna's energy. How can

you deny it? As

your body is made out of your energy, similarly the

universal body must

be made by somebody's energy. That is Krsna. [There is

a long pause.]

Bob: I'll have to think about it to follow that.

Srila Prabhupada: What is to follow? It is a fact. [He

laughs.] Your

hair is growing daily. Why? Because you have some

energy.

Bob: The energy I obtain from my food.

Srila Prabhupada: Somehow or other you have obtained

that energy! And

through that energy your hair is growing. So if your

body is

manufactured by your energy, similarly the whole

gigantic manifestation

is made of God's energy. It is a fact! It is not your

energy.

Bob: Yes. Oh, I see that.

A devotee: Just like--aren't the planets in this

universe the sun's

energy--a product of the sun's energy?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but who produced the sun? That

is Krsna's energy.

Because it is heat, and Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo

vayuh: " Heat--that

is My energy. " The sun is the representation of the

heating energy of

Krsna. It is not your energy. You cannot say, " The sun

is made by me. "

But somebody must have made it, and Krsna says that He

did. So, we

believe Krsna. Therefore we are Krsna-ites.

Bob: Krsna-ites?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Our knowledge is perfect. If I

say that heat is

the energy of Krsna, you cannot deny it, because it is

not your energy.

In your body there is some certain amount of heat.

Similarly, heat is

someone's energy. And who is that person? That is

Krsna. Krsna says,

" Yes, it is My energy. " So my knowledge is perfect.

Because I take the

version of the greatest scientist, I am the greatest

scientist. I may be

a fool personally, but because I take knowledge from

the greatest

scientist, I am the greatest scientist. I have no

difficulty.

Bob: Excuse me?

Srila Prabhupada: I have no difficulty in becoming the

greatest

scientist because I take the knowledge from the

greatest scientist.

[There is a long pause.] " This earth, water, fire,

air, ether, mind,

intelligence and ego--they are My eight separated

energies. "

Bob: They are separated energies?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Just like this milk. What is

this milk? The

separated energy of the cow. [syamasundara and Bob,

stunned, laugh in

realization.] Is it not? It is the manifestation of

the separated energy

of the cow.

Syamasundara: Is it like a by-product?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Bob: So, what is the significance of this energy's

being separated from

Krsna?

Srila Prabhupada: " Separated " means that this is made

out of the body of

the cow but it is not the cow. That is separation.

Bob: So, this earth and all is made out of Krsna but

it is not Krsna?

Srila Prabhupada: It is not Krsna. Or, you can say,

Krsna and not Krsna

simultaneously. That is our philosophy. One and

different. You cannot

say that these things are different from Krsna,

because without Krsna

they have no existence. At the same time, you cannot

say, " Then let me

worship water. Why Krsna? The pantheists say that

because everything is

God, whatever we do is God worship. This is Mayavada

philosophy--that

because everything is made of God, therefore

everything is God. But our

philosophy is that everything is God but also not God.

Bob: So what on earth is God? Is there anything on

earth that is God?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Because everything is made out

of the energy of

God. But that does not mean that by worshiping

anything you are

worshiping God.

Bob: So what is on earth that is not maya [illusion]?

It is...

Srila Prabhupada: Maya means " energy. "

Bob: It means energy?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Maya--and another meaning is

" illusion. " So

foolish persons accept the energy as the energetic.

That is maya. Just

like sunshine. Sunshine enters your room. Sunshine is

the energy of the

sun. But because the sunshine enters your room, you

cannot say that the

sun

Srila Prabhupada: Just wire.

Bob: So if I build a statue of Krsna, it is not Krsna

unless...

Srila Prabhupada: It is Krsna. But you have to know

the process of

understanding that it is Krsna. It is Krsna.

Bob: It is not just earth and mud.

Srila Prabhupada: No. Earth has no separate existence

without Krsna.

Krsna says, " My energy. " You cannot separate the

energy from the

energetic. It is not possible. You cannot separate

heat from fire. But

fire is different from the heat, and heat is different

from the fire.

You are taking heat; that does not mean you are

touching fire. Fire, in

spite of emanating heat, keeps its identity.

Similarly, although Krsna,

by His different energies, is creating everything, He

remains Krsna. The

Mayavadi philosophers think that if Krsna is

everything, then Krsna's

separate identity is lost. That is material thinking.

For example, by

drinking this milk, little by little, when I finish,

there is no more

milk; it has gone to my belly. Krsna is not like that.

He is omnipotent.

We are utilizing His energy continually; still He is

there, present.

Just like a man begetting children unlimitedly, but

the man is there. A

crude example. It's not that because he has produced

hundreds of

children, he is finished. So, similarly, God or Krsna,

in spite of His

unlimited number of children, is there.

purnasya purnam adaya

purnam evavasisyate

" Because He is the complete whole, even though so many

complete

units emanate from Him, He remains the complete

balance. " This is Krsna

consciousness. Krsna is never finished. Krsna is so

powerful. Therefore

He is all-attractive. This is one side of the display

of Krsna's energy.

Similarly, He has unlimited energies. This study of

Krsna's energy is

only one side, or a portion only. So in this way, if

you go on studying

Krsna, that is Krsna consciousness. It is not a bogus

thing-- " maybe, "

" perhaps not. " Absolutely! It is!

 

 

 

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