Guest guest Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Dandavat Pranams to Bhagavan Krishna and all Vaishnavas . God is both Personal (with attributes) and Impersonal (without attributes) . "Hinduism" is the way of living according to the Vedas . Ancient Rishis had seen the Vedas in space and therefore they were known as "Mantradrshts" . They taught it to Chosen Dsciples . Thus , the knowledge used to be passed smoothly from one Generation to the Next . However , this system got affected with the arrival of `Kali-yuga`. We have practically lost most of the Vedas ; and what we have now is just about 6% . Hindus have several options to select a spiritual path . But, this abundance has caused confusion. Genuine Vedic Scholars are very rare now . And sadly, some of them have become "Human Gods" . This is a feature of Kali-yuga . In this turmoil , Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam are the two readily available Vedic Scriptures , for the faithful Hindus . Had these two Books been not there , Hinduism would have perished long back . However , Hindus must not get corrupted by the "blasphemous" mis-interpretations by Non-Devotees . Any commentary that shows Krishna as a "Veda-hater" , "Atheist " or "Secularist" is sheer Blasphemy . For instance , "secularism" (irreligion) preachers like Nehru and S.Radhakrishnan have falsified Gita to suit with their political agenda . If a Hindu follows such a version , he too will become faithless like it's author . Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam Gita contains essence of the Vedas . Srimad Bhagavatham is the literary incarnation of `Parabrahman' . Vedic scholars belonging to all Hindu-paths accept these two books , as the Vedas for this age . "Bhagavata-Sapthaham" ( Ritual Recitation of Bhagavatam) is being held in all Hindu Temples to increase the "Deva-Chaithanyam" (Aura) of the Deity and Bhakthi-yoga of Devotees . It is true that , Hindus belonging to various paths have different views on Sri Krishna . To Vaishnavas, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead . Other Hindus consider Krishna as one of the Manifested Forms of "Parabrahman" . Therefore, Krishna is Bhagavan to all Hindus . For example : Vaishnavas worship Krishna as "Ïshta-Deva" and Lord Shiva as Krishna's manifestation . Saivites worship Lord Shiva as "Ïshta-Deva" and Krishna as Siva's manifestation . Fundamentally, all these paths are same and hence there is no scope for Quarrel at all . Those non-Hindus who get interested in Lord Krishna are reincarnated Krishna-devotees. Because of their Krishna-Bhakti in previous births , they get interested in Krishna in this birth as well , after a course of time . In reality , they are Hindus . Jnana-Yogi A Jnana-Yogi is a highly intelligent Person who by virtue of "Sadhana" ( spiritual practice) has realized the Impersonal Brahman . Such a Yogi is in unison with the Supreme . He does not need the Vedas or Deity worship any more . But, such "Jnana-Yogis" are extremely rare in Kali-yuga . One who worships the "Impersonal Brahman" is not a Yogi , until he realizes the Supreme Brahman . The process of getting carried away by "Jnana-Yoga" without knowing it , is "Mayavada" . Krishna Himself has stated in Gita that , it is extremely difficult to attain access to His "Impersonal Brahman-From" ; and one succeeds only after several births . Conclusion An Ordinary Hindu should not pretend as "Jnana-Yogi ". Such a "Mayavadi" attitude , will prevent him from following "Bhakthi-Yoga" which is very easy . It is due to this reason that Adi-Shankaracharya ( an incarnation of Lord Siva),introduced the `Advaita' philosophy . It enables a Hindu to worship an `Ishta-Deva' according to his taste . Krishna is the most popular Hindu-Deity , because He can be accessed very easily by following "Gita and Bhagavatham" . He can be worshipped as a Child , Lover , Friend or Master . Adi Shankara sings in the hymn , Bhajagovindam " Worship Govinda , Worship Govinda …" . Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!!! Srikrishnadasa Rajeev ---------------------- , "renato" <loaderor wrote:> > Hare Krishna> > It is confirmed in the scriptures that Lord Sri Krishna is the> Supreme Personality of Godhead. Sri Krishna, Himself confirms this in> the Bhagavad-Gita.> > > > Becouse that intolerance people starts wars in the world. I was> witness of one recent unhappy event in Bosnia. And this war was not> between 3 different nationalities, but 3 religions (islam, cristianity> and ortodox). Every religion have some higher truth about God. > Every religious practice have something that other practice dont have,> and OTHERS are allways BAD, and not bonafied and THEY dont have so> high knowledge. "Our knowledge is real and higher".> So who have real knowledge?> H.K. bhaktas are allways telling quotes from Bhagavad Gita, but do u> know how many different translations and views on Gita we have in World?> Hinduism is not only Hare Krishna movement.> They dont have right on Hinduism, their movement is not so ancient> like they say. They are old 500 years. > > First division in Hinduism is on personal-impersonal bases. > God is personal as is impersonal, God is both. > And to make statement that one philosophy is higher then > other is real MAYA.> So that is for me real mayavady philosophy.> I dont understand people who make their oppinions from just one side> of knowledge. They are knowledge-invalids. To have knowledge means to> be capable of lookong on life with different views, that is greatnes> of Man - spiritual beeng. > After this who have right to say that have exclusive right on> spiritual knowledge, who is so intolerant and stupid to say that > knows God better than others.> THAT IS MAYA my dear bhaktas ans spiritual seekers.> > > U CAN SAY THAT I AM DEMON,> BUT I SAY, WE WILL SEE.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Dear Devotees of Our Lord Sri Krishna, I have been reading this discussion, and I was unable to write because of being in a state of transit. I will be in Vrindavan tomorrow, but before that I would like to make a statement here about this discussion:- Those who accept without refuting all the contents of the Bhagavad Gita, and prove their devotion by surrendering to Krishna, they will always be raised to the highest platform as promised by the Lord Himself,directly or indirectly through the blessings of pure bhaktas, whereas those who continue to argue instead of surrendering to Krishna, they are surely wasting time. The impersonal attributes of Krishna are so difficult to understand, it is simpler to surrender to Krishna and engage in devotional service,chanting,kirtan and service.Intellectual discussions may entertain the mind, but eventually they do not accomplish much.What a few hours of devotional service can accomplish, hundreds of years of dry speculative discussion cannot. Krishna has shown a way for everyone, and is actively monitoring our progress through our own hearts, being seated within each of us.We can at any moment , choose to surrender to Krishna, or we can keep arguing without reaching any satisfaction within. I am sure our members will always make the right choice and surrender to Krishna! , " srikrishnadasa_rajeev " <srikrishnadasa_rajeev wrote: > > > Dandavat Pranams to Bhagavan Krishna and all Vaishnavas . > > God is both Personal (with attributes) and Impersonal (without > attributes) . " Hinduism " is the way of living according to the > Vedas . > > Ancient Rishis had seen the Vedas in space and therefore they were known > as " Mantradrshts " . They taught it to Chosen Dsciples . Thus , > the knowledge used to be passed smoothly from one Generation to the Next > . However , this system got affected with the arrival of > `Kali-yuga`. We have practically lost most of the Vedas ; and > what we have now is just about 6% . > > Hindus have several options to select a spiritual path . But, this > abundance has caused confusion. Genuine Vedic Scholars are very rare > now . And sadly, some of them have become " Human Gods " . This is > a feature of Kali-yuga . > > In this turmoil , Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam are the two readily > available Vedic Scriptures , for the faithful Hindus . Had these two > Books been not there , Hinduism would have perished long back . However > , Hindus must not get corrupted by the " blasphemous " > mis-interpretations by Non-Devotees . Any commentary that shows Krishna > as a " Veda-hater " , " Atheist " or " Secularist " > is sheer Blasphemy . For instance , " secularism " (irreligion) > preachers like Nehru and S.Radhakrishnan have falsified Gita to suit > with their political agenda . If a Hindu follows such a version , he too > will become faithless like it's author . > > Bhagavad Gita and Bhagavatam > > Gita contains essence of the Vedas . Srimad Bhagavatham is the literary > incarnation of `Parabrahman' . Vedic scholars belonging to all > Hindu-paths accept these two books , as the Vedas for this age . > " Bhagavata-Sapthaham " ( Ritual Recitation of Bhagavatam) is > being held in all Hindu Temples to increase the > " Deva-Chaithanyam " (Aura) of the Deity and Bhakthi-yoga of > Devotees . > > It is true that , Hindus belonging to various paths have different views > on Sri Krishna . To Vaishnavas, He is the Supreme Personality of > Godhead . Other Hindus consider Krishna as one of the Manifested Forms > of " Parabrahman " . Therefore, Krishna is Bhagavan to all Hindus > . > > For example : Vaishnavas worship Krishna as " Ïshta-Deva " and > Lord Shiva as Krishna's manifestation . Saivites worship Lord Shiva > as " Ïshta-Deva " and Krishna as Siva's manifestation . > Fundamentally, all these paths are same and hence there is no scope for > Quarrel at all . > > Those non-Hindus who get interested in Lord Krishna are reincarnated > Krishna-devotees. Because of their Krishna-Bhakti in previous births , > they get interested in Krishna in this birth as well , after a course of > time . In reality , they are Hindus . > > Jnana-Yogi > > A Jnana-Yogi is a highly intelligent Person who by virtue of > " Sadhana " ( spiritual practice) has realized the Impersonal > Brahman . Such a Yogi is in unison with the Supreme . He does not need > the Vedas or Deity worship any more . But, such " Jnana-Yogis " > are extremely rare in Kali-yuga . One who worships the " Impersonal > Brahman " is not a Yogi , until he realizes the Supreme Brahman . > The process of getting carried away by " Jnana-Yoga " without > knowing it , is " Mayavada " . > > Krishna Himself has stated in Gita that , it is extremely difficult to > attain access to His " Impersonal Brahman-From " ; and one > succeeds only after several births . > > Conclusion > > An Ordinary Hindu should not pretend as " Jnana-Yogi " . Such a > " Mayavadi " attitude , will prevent him from following > " Bhakthi-Yoga " which is very easy . It is due to this reason > that Adi-Shankaracharya ( an incarnation of Lord Siva),introduced the > `Advaita' philosophy . It enables a Hindu to worship an > `Ishta-Deva' according to his taste . > > Krishna is the most popular Hindu-Deity , because He can be accessed > very easily by following " Gita and Bhagavatham " . He can be > worshipped as a Child , Lover , Friend or Master . > > Adi Shankara sings in the hymn , Bhajagovindam " Worship Govinda , > Worship Govinda … " . > > Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya!!! > > Srikrishnadasa Rajeev > > -- ----\ > ---------------------------- > , " renato " <loaderor@> wrote: > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > It is confirmed in the scriptures that Lord Sri Krishna is the > > Supreme Personality of Godhead. Sri Krishna, Himself confirms this in > > the Bhagavad-Gita. > > > > > > > Becouse that intolerance people starts wars in the world. I was > > witness of one recent unhappy event in Bosnia. And this war was not > > between 3 different nationalities, but 3 religions (islam, cristianity > > and ortodox). Every religion have some higher truth about God. > > Every religious practice have something that other practice dont have, > > and OTHERS are allways BAD, and not bonafied and THEY dont have so > > high knowledge. " Our knowledge is real and higher " . > > So who have real knowledge? > > H.K. bhaktas are allways telling quotes from Bhagavad Gita, but do u > > know how many different translations and views on Gita we have in > World? > > Hinduism is not only Hare Krishna movement. > > They dont have right on Hinduism, their movement is not so ancient > > like they say. They are old 500 years. > > > > First division in Hinduism is on personal-impersonal bases. > > God is personal as is impersonal, God is both. > > And to make statement that one philosophy is higher then > > other is real MAYA. > > So that is for me real mayavady philosophy. > > I dont understand people who make their oppinions from just one side > > of knowledge. They are knowledge-invalids. To have knowledge means to > > be capable of lookong on life with different views, that is greatnes > > of Man - spiritual beeng. > > After this who have right to say that have exclusive right on > > spiritual knowledge, who is so intolerant and stupid to say that > > knows God better than others. > > THAT IS MAYA my dear bhaktas ans spiritual seekers. > > > > > > U CAN SAY THAT I AM DEMON, > > BUT I SAY, WE WILL SEE. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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