Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Pranams to Bhagavan Sri Krishna and His Bhaktas , Following is an interesting discussion involving Ms.Farhan Bukhari and Krishna : Farhan : I have studied many books about Hindu religion . I could find many contradictions in them . I think these books are made by vested interests to exploit ignorant people . Krishna : The Vedas are divine . It's logic is beyond ordinary human logic . Only a qualified Vedic Scholar could interpret the Vedic scriptures correctly . Mere bookish knowledge will confus the reader , especially if he is a "Mlecha" ( Impure person unfit to receive Vedic knowledge ) . Farhan : There is only one God ( Allah) . But, Hindus are worshipping numerous people as "Human Gods" . This is totally incorrect . Krishna : God is infinite . Bhagavad Gita ( essence of the Vedas) states that God is both Formless and with Form . Both types of worship is correct provided there is faith and devotion . Islam calls the formless God as *Allah* . Christians calls it *Father* . Impersonalist Hindus (Advaitis ) ,callis it *Brahman* . It is extremely difficult and troublesome for an embodied Man to meditate a "Formless" entity. Devatas are manifestations of God and they are not human . Since God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent , He can easily appear in human like Forms to enable, easy and focused meditation. Who are we humans to impose restrictions on God ?. Farhan : Hindu books are creations of selfish Brahmins . They have written those books to exploit non-Brahmin low caste Hindus . They are treating other Hindus as slaves . Krishna : Learning the Vedas , teaching it and practicing it's complex rituals need total commitment , discipline , sacrifice , purity and skills from a Priest's birth to death . A dedicated class of Hindus is required to fulfill this tough requirement . Traditionally , Brahmins are entrusted with this duty. They are ordered to eat very lean food merely for survival , undertake regular fasting for self-purification , perform long hours of rituals and survive entirely on the alms given by the Devotees . It is extremely tough life . In certain temples , the Brahmin priest is on daily ritualistic duty in the heat of oil lamps 3AM-12PM during which he is not permitted to drink a glass of water. Mixing with the pleasurable life-styles of others could corrupt them . That is why the Brahmins lead an isolated life. However, that does mean that the Brahmins are superior to others or they have any right to exploit . All the four categories namely *Brahmins* ( priests) , *Ksatriyas* ( Administrators/Warriors) , *Vysyas* ( Businessmen) and *Sudras* ( Servants) do specific duties in the society as a service to God. A devout Hindu beholds God in every living being and he never exploits another person for his / her selfish gains. Farhan : Hindus are worshipping so many lifeless statues ( Idols) in their temples. It is funny that they don't allow Non-Hindus to enter the temples . Isn't it ridiculous ? . Krishna : In the Temples , God is worshipped in a particular image-form as specified by the concerned Sage ( Rishi) . Unique Vedic rules exist for each Temple . It requires the highest Spiritual Power , discipline and purity to maintain the divinity of the Deity . Any violation of the Vedic rules , is dangerous. In majority of the Temples, only Hindus having complete faith in Deity-worship and associated Vedic-vows are allowed to enter . Non-Hindus are denied entry only because they have not adhered to the related vows about which they are ignorant. There is no point in forcing these vows on them since it might be contradictory to their own religious dogmas . However, there are certain Temples , where non-Hindus are allowed entry . This is due to that Deity's personal will . A consecrate Deity is not a mere "Idol" . The Deity is the replica of God that breaths life . Muslims and Christian too worship their own brand of consecrated symbols like Kabba stone , Holy cross, Jesus, Mother Mary , etc . Farhan : Hindus are using items like Cow-dung and Cow's urine to purify their temples ?. Isn't it really funny ? . Krishna : There are specific purification rituals in Hinduism . Cow is a sacred animal and it's products like milk, ghee, yoghurt, cow-dung ,urine etc are used in vedic rituals . Even Medical science recognize its medicinal value and use extensively . A temple is not washed with cow's urine alone . In reality, first the place is washed with water and then only a few drops of cows' urine is mixed with other chosen items to get the required combination to be used. Farhan : Why upper caste Hindus are ill-treating Lower caste Hindus ? What is the difference between an upper caste Hindu and a lower caste Hindu ? . Krishna : There is no discrimination in true Hinduism . Bhagavad-Gita says that God dwells in every living being . If a Hindu exploits another Hindu in the name of religion or any other cause, he will have to pay for its *Karmic-reactions* in many births. An individual's qualities are dependent upon his *past-karma* . I was born as a low-caste Hindu . Meat eating and Alcoholism was part of our daily life . In my younger days, I too followed suit . And my character contained , Egoism, Jealousy , Aggressiveness , Lust and Greed . After beginning to follow the Vedic scriptures religiously (Surrender to Ishta-deva Krishna , His daily worship by *Nama-Japam* , learning Bhagavad-Gita and performing *Nishkama-karma* ) , I have gradually become an egoless and peace loving Vegetarian-Hindu . A low caste Hindu has such an opportunity to identify own weaknesses, rectify it all and elevate self to God-realization . Farhan : OK, if You Hindus are so confident about your religion, why are You so much worried about Religious conversions ? . Krishna : Vedic scriptures do not ask Hindus to convert non-Hindus to Hindu religion . According to it , a person is born as Non-Hindu due to his *Prarabda-karma* ( negative deeds in his previous births) . If he/she is interested in self-purification and subsequent God-realization, he is free to practise Bhagavad-Gita in his day-to-day life . Any Hind-missionary work for it is absolutely, unnecessary. However, Hindus are concerned about the abusive tirade against the Vedas and Hindu Gods . Fanatics and Missionaries are spreading all sorts of lies against Hinduism besides using bribery to brainwash innocent Hindus . Wherever such mass conversions have occurred, India has lost control over that terrain. It was due to this reason that even Gandhiji has vehemently opposed religious conversions. Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya !!!! 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Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Respected Rajeev Ji, Had I been Press Secretary to God Krishna or had He authorised me to have Discussions with Miss Farhan, my reply would have been like that for all the seven questions serialwise as under---- 1. Farhan-- I have studied many books..... Answer: (A) How many times did you bathe before bathing in the Holy Vedas? (B) Vedas are not books 2. Farhan--There is only one God.... Answer: Yes, God is one that is Krishna. Allah is His partial manifestation. As Allah does not come down on earth. He sends messangers instead. Again, messangers have stopped coming on earth because there is so terrorism spread by Quran. 3. Farhan--Hindu books are created by selfish Brahmins..... Answers: Again mistake, these are not books.Moreover, a Brahmin cannot be a selfish. Hindu Scriptures are for everybody including for seventy five (75) sects of Islam. 4. Farhan--Hindus are worshipping lifeless statues.... Answer: Ms Farhan are you descendent of Demon Hirnyakashipu. The same question was asked by him to Prahalad whether is there God in this stone column? Then God Krishna came as Nrisingh Avatar. Should I call Nrisingh Ji again. (Farhan quivers and folds hands in fear). 5. Farhan--Cow-dung, Cow urine... Answer: Yes, Medicinal value do you know? Do you know Swine..Swine flu.. (Farhan again shivers simply by the name of pig (swine). Even Allah is afraid of pig! 6. Farhan--Casteism in Hinduism.... Answer: Should I chant a few verses from Shri Gita?. (Farhan again shivers as she does not know Holy Sanskrit.) 7. Farhan-- Hindus are afraid of conversion.. Answer: No, never. Hindus and everybody of other religion want peace and peace is at the lotus feet of God Krishna. 8. Farhan: Can I see God Krishna? Answer: Please wait till next birth. For the time being chant " Hare Krishna " Bhaj Govindam Mahesh Sharma --- On Sun, 31/5/09, srikrishnadasa_rajeev <srikrishnadasa.rajeev wrote: > srikrishnadasa_rajeev <srikrishnadasa.rajeev > A Muslim - Hindu Dialogue !!! > > Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 6:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranams to > Bhagavan Sri Krishna and His Bhaktas , > > Following is an > interesting discussion involving Ms.Farhan Bukhari and > Krishna : > Farhan > : I have studied many > books about Hindu religion . I could find many > contradictions in them . I think these books are made by > vested interests to exploit ignorant people . > > Krishna : > The Vedas are divine . It's logic is > beyond ordinary human logic . Only a qualified Vedic Scholar > could interpret the Vedic scriptures correctly . Mere > bookish knowledge will confus the reader , especially if he > is a " Mlecha " ( Impure person unfit to receive > Vedic knowledge ) . > Farhan > : There is only one God ( Allah) . But, > Hindus are worshipping numerous people as > " Human Gods " . This is totally incorrect . > > Krishna : > God is infinite . > Bhagavad Gita ( essence of the Vedas) states that God is > both Formless and with Form . Both types of worship is > correct provided there is faith and devotion > . Islam calls the formless God as > *Allah* . Christians calls it > *Father* . Impersonalist Hindus (Advaitis > ) ,callis it *Brahman* . It is extremely difficult and > troublesome for an embodied Man to meditate a > " Formless " entity. Devatas are manifestations > of God and they are not human . Since God > is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent , He can easily > appear in human like Forms to enable, easy and > focused meditation. > Who are we humans to impose restrictions > on God ?. > Farhan > : Hindu books are creations of selfish > Brahmins . They have written those books to exploit > non-Brahmin low caste Hindus . They are treating other > Hindus as slaves . > Krishna : > Learning the Vedas , teaching it and > practicing it's complex rituals need > total commitment , discipline , sacrifice , purity and > skills from a Priest's birth to death > . A dedicated class of Hindus is required to fulfill this > tough requirement . Traditionally , Brahmins are entrusted > with this duty. They are ordered to eat > very lean food merely for survival , undertake regular > fasting for self-purification , perform long hours of > rituals and survive entirely on the alms given by the > Devotees . It is extremely tough life . > In certain temples , the Brahmin priest > is on daily ritualistic duty in > the heat of oil lamps 3AM-12PM during which he is not > permitted to drink a glass of water. > Mixing with the pleasurable > life-styles of others could corrupt them . That is why the > Brahmins lead an isolated life. > However, > that does mean that the Brahmins are > superior to others or they have any right to exploit . All > the four categories namely *Brahmins* ( > priests) , *Ksatriyas* ( > Administrators/ Warriors) , *Vysyas* ( Businessmen) > and *Sudras* ( Servants) do > specific duties in the society as a service to > God. A devout Hindu beholds God in every > living being and he never exploits > another person for his / her selfish gains. > Farhan > : Hindus are worshipping so many lifeless > statues ( Idols) in their temples. It is > funny that they don't allow > Non-Hindus to enter the temples . Isn't it > ridiculous ? . > Krishna > : In the Temples , God is worshipped in a > particular image-form as specified by the concerned Sage ( > Rishi) . Unique Vedic rules exist for > each Temple . It requires the highest Spiritual Power , > discipline and purity to maintain the > divinity of the Deity . Any violation of the Vedic rules , > is dangerous. In majority of the Temples > , only Hindus having complete faith in Deity-worship and > associated Vedic-vows are allowed to enter . Non-Hindus are > denied entry only because they have not adhered to the > related vows about which they are ignorant. There is no > point in forcing these vows on them since > it might be contradictory to their own religious dogmas > . > However, > there are certain Temples , where non-Hindus are allowed > entry . This is due to that Deity's personal will . > > A > consecrate Deity is not a mere " Idol " . The > Deity is the replica of God that breaths > life . Muslims and > Christian too worship their own brand of consecrated symbols > like Kabba stone , Holy cross, Jesus, Mother Mary , etc > . > Farhan > : Hindus are using items like Cow-dung > and Cow's urine to purify their temples ?. Isn't it > really funny ? . > Krishna > : There are specific > purification rituals in Hinduism . Cow is > a sacred animal and it's products like milk, ghee, > yoghurt, cow-dung ,urine etc are used in vedic rituals . > Even Medical science recognize its medicinal > value and use extensively . > A temple is not washed with > cow's urine alone . In reality, first the place is > washed with water and then only a few drops of cows' > urine is mixed with other chosen items to > get the required combination to be used. > > Farhan > : Why upper caste Hindus are ill-treating > Lower caste Hindus ? What is the difference between an upper > caste Hindu and a lower caste Hindu ? . > > Krishna > : There is no discrimination in true > Hinduism . Bhagavad-Gita says that God dwells in every > living being . If a Hindu exploits another Hindu in the name > of religion or any other cause, he will have to pay for its > *Karmic-reactions* in many births. > An > individual's qualities are dependent upon his > *past-karma* . I was born as a low-caste Hindu . Meat eating > and Alcoholism was part of our daily life . In my younger > days, I too followed suit . And my character contained , > Egoism, Jealousy , Aggressiveness , Lust and Greed . After > beginning to follow the Vedic scriptures > religiously (Surrender to Ishta-deva > Krishna , His daily worship by *Nama-Japam* , learning > Bhagavad-Gita and performing *Nishkama-karma* ) , I have > gradually become an egoless and peace loving > Vegetarian-Hindu . A low caste Hindu has such an opportunity > to identify own weaknesses, rectify it all and elevate self > to God-realization . > Farhan > : OK, if You Hindus are so > confident about your religion, why are You so much > worried about Religious > conversions ? . > Krishna > : Vedic scriptures do not ask Hindus to > convert non-Hindus to Hindu religion . According to it , a > person is born as Non-Hindu due to his *Prarabda-karma* ( > negative deeds in his previous births) . If he/she is > interested in self-purification and subsequent > God-realization, he is free to practise Bhagavad-Gita in his > day-to-day life . Any Hind-missionary work for it is > absolutely, unnecessary. > However, > Hindus are concerned about the abusive tirade against the > Vedas and Hindu Gods . Fanatics and Missionaries are > spreading all sorts of lies against Hinduism besides using > bribery to brainwash innocent > Hindus . Wherever such mass conversions have > occurred, India has lost control over that > terrain. It was due to this reason that > even Gandhiji has vehemently opposed religious conversions. > > Om Namo Bhagavate > Vasudevaya !!!! > SriKrishnaDasa > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Go to http://in.business./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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