Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him

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SRI RAMA JAYAM

 

 

Hello Mahatman(s),

 

I am new to your group. My name is vinod.

Mr. Rajaram just a Q ?

Vedas are supposed to be the inseparable textual personality of the Lord himself. The vedas imply perfect totallity, timewise & spacewise.

How can you claim that "Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him" ?

Sri Vyasa deva simplified vedas later, as history unfolds.

Please give an interpretation to it.

Thanks.

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Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 11:15 AMguruvayur Subject: sampradaya question

 

 

Dear Sridharan -

What you have said below is very appropriate :"These questions and divisions are nothing before Lord Narayana. He is above all these humanly created sectorism. Be it Sri Sankara, Sri Ramanuja or Sri Madhwa - the acceptance of Him same. They are showing only different ways which will lead to Him. This does not mean that He is bound by that way. He is beyond the reaches of all these - that is how the Brahma Sutra of Sri Veda Vyasa claims (Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him).

Thus when we see Lord Guruvayurappan our thoughts must be such that He stays in our heart forever."

sectarian discussions will lead to unhappines. but these divisions do confuse the mind because the acharyas differ on the nature of the lord so much. only he can resolve these confusions ultimately. so as you said somehow arrest him in the heart.

we are indebted to the acharyas for their teachings. but some times it becomes very painful because of clash between schools of thought. for example, iskcon (caitanya school) criticizes sankara's school as mayavada - that is devoid of true bhakti - as sankara teaches that only brahman exists and in many places denies the form of brahman. but to me it appears that sankara's teachings are not devoid of bhakti. that sankara refers only to the lord by brahman and he only says that the lord's form is inconceivable as it is infinite and in one sense is formless like akasa.

the problem is not serious if we just go to the temple and come back. but if we decide to surrender to a guru, then we have to determine whether we want to be sri vaishnavas, advaitins, madhwas or gaudiyas. i have not been able to resolve this for myself. it does hinder in the progress of devotion. i dont know how others feel.

best regards

rajaram v.

 

 

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i quoted sridharan.

 

in the gita the lord says that even by a study of vedas one does not understand him. that is probably why sridharan says this. "PS, Vinod K (GE Energy)" <vinod.ps wrote:

 

SRI RAMA JAYAM

 

 

Hello Mahatman(s),

 

I am new to your group. My name is vinod.

Mr. Rajaram just a Q ?

Vedas are supposed to be the inseparable textual personality of the Lord himself. The vedas imply perfect totallity, timewise & spacewise.

How can you claim that "Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him" ?

Sri Vyasa deva simplified vedas later, as history unfolds.

Please give an interpretation to it.

Thanks.

-----------------------

 

 

Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 11:15 AMguruvayur Subject: sampradaya question

 

 

Dear Sridharan -

What you have said below is very appropriate :"These questions and divisions are nothing before Lord Narayana. He is above all these humanly created sectorism. Be it Sri Sankara, Sri Ramanuja or Sri Madhwa - the acceptance of Him same. They are showing only different ways which will lead to Him. This does not mean that He is bound by that way. He is beyond the reaches of all these - that is how the Brahma Sutra of Sri Veda Vyasa claims (Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him).

Thus when we see Lord Guruvayurappan our thoughts must be such that He stays in our heart forever."

sectarian discussions will lead to unhappines. but these divisions do confuse the mind because the acharyas differ on the nature of the lord so much. only he can resolve these confusions ultimately. so as you said somehow arrest him in the heart.

we are indebted to the acharyas for their teachings. but some times it becomes very painful because of clash between schools of thought. for example, iskcon (caitanya school) criticizes sankara's school as mayavada - that is devoid of true bhakti - as sankara teaches that only brahman exists and in many places denies the form of brahman. but to me it appears that sankara's teachings are not devoid of bhakti. that sankara refers only to the lord by brahman and he only says that the lord's form is inconceivable as it is infinite and in one sense is formless like akasa.

the problem is not serious if we just go to the temple and come back. but if we decide to surrender to a guru, then we have to determine whether we want to be sri vaishnavas, advaitins, madhwas or gaudiyas. i have not been able to resolve this for myself. it does hinder in the progress of devotion. i dont know how others feel.

best regards

rajaram v.

 

 

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Thanks for your suggestion.

Then a more proper statement should be that - "Even Veda Vidyarthis (so-called) are still trying to understand Him" & not Vedas.

Because "Srimad Ramayanam" declares that "Knowledge" is that which reveals the Lord, his totallity/absoluteness.

And I hope that an incomplete thing cannot describe the complete (Lord).

Please rectify, if wrong.

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Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 2:53 PMguruvayur Subject: Re: Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him

i quoted sridharan.

 

in the gita the lord says that even by a study of vedas one does not understand him. that is probably why sridharan says this. "PS, Vinod K (GE Energy)" <vinod.ps wrote:

 

SRI RAMA JAYAM

 

 

Hello Mahatman(s),

 

I am new to your group. My name is vinod.

Mr. Rajaram just a Q ?

Vedas are supposed to be the inseparable textual personality of the Lord himself. The vedas imply perfect totallity, timewise & spacewise.

How can you claim that "Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him" ?

Sri Vyasa deva simplified vedas later, as history unfolds.

Please give an interpretation to it.

Thanks.

-----------------------

 

 

Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 11:15 AMguruvayur Subject: sampradaya question

 

 

Dear Sridharan -

What you have said below is very appropriate :"These questions and divisions are nothing before Lord Narayana. He is above all these humanly created sectorism. Be it Sri Sankara, Sri Ramanuja or Sri Madhwa - the acceptance of Him same. They are showing only different ways which will lead to Him. This does not mean that He is bound by that way. He is beyond the reaches of all these - that is how the Brahma Sutra of Sri Veda Vyasa claims (Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him).

Thus when we see Lord Guruvayurappan our thoughts must be such that He stays in our heart forever."

sectarian discussions will lead to unhappines. but these divisions do confuse the mind because the acharyas differ on the nature of the lord so much. only he can resolve these confusions ultimately. so as you said somehow arrest him in the heart.

we are indebted to the acharyas for their teachings. but some times it becomes very painful because of clash between schools of thought. for example, iskcon (caitanya school) criticizes sankara's school as mayavada - that is devoid of true bhakti - as sankara teaches that only brahman exists and in many places denies the form of brahman. but to me it appears that sankara's teachings are not devoid of bhakti. that sankara refers only to the lord by brahman and he only says that the lord's form is inconceivable as it is infinite and in one sense is formless like akasa.

the problem is not serious if we just go to the temple and come back. but if we decide to surrender to a guru, then we have to determine whether we want to be sri vaishnavas, advaitins, madhwas or gaudiyas. i have not been able to resolve this for myself. it does hinder in the progress of devotion. i dont know how others feel.

best regards

rajaram v.

 

 

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Dear Mr. Vinod,

 

Mr. Rajaraman actually quoted from my message only. It is only the

Vedas which still seek to understand Him. From Brahma Sutra of Veda

Vyasa sutra 1-1-3 states that " we can understand Brahmam (Brahmam

here refers to Lord Narayana) only through Vedas " . The sutra is

Sastrayonithvaath. Thus Vedas are separate entities from Him. The

above statement means that we cannot understand Him through any other

methods other than Veda. However, in the same Brahma Sutra it is

still stated that - even for the vedas He is not reachable. This only

means that even if we learn vedas to the core (which is humanly not

possible), we still cannot understand Him (You can have a look at my

commentaries on Brahma Sutra at vaishnavism -

This is in Tamil).

 

However, in reality He is not like that. The gopikas, the boys at

Ayarpadi have played with Him. With utter devotion and no-wants in

mind - you call Him - He will stand before you asking you, " Tell me!

Why you called? " . This is my personal experience. That is why Sri

Narayana Battathri also said 'agre basyami' - I am seeing Him. He

never had a second thought or doubt.

 

For the forums' view

 

Ever in the services of Sri Guruvayurappan

 

Sridharan

 

guruvayur , " PS, Vinod K \(GE Energy\) "

<vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

> Thanks for your suggestion.

> Then a more proper statement should be that - " Even Veda Vidyarthis

(so-called) are still trying to understand Him " & not Vedas.

> Because " Srimad Ramayanam " declares that " Knowledge " is that which

reveals the Lord, his totallity/absoluteness.

> And I hope that an incomplete thing cannot describe the complete

(Lord).

> Please rectify, if wrong.

> --

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>

>

> Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]

> Monday, July 26, 2004 2:53 PM

> guruvayur

> Re: Even the vedas are still trying to

understand Him

>

>

> i quoted sridharan.

>

> in the gita the lord says that even by a study of vedas one does

not understand him. that is probably why sridharan says this.

> " PS, Vinod K (GE Energy) " <vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

>

>

SRI RAMA JAYAM

>

>

> Hello Mahatman(s),

>

> I am new to your group. My name is vinod.

> Mr. Rajaram just a Q ?

> Vedas are supposed to be the inseparable textual personality of the

Lord himself. The vedas imply perfect totallity, timewise & spacewise.

> How can you claim that " Even the vedas are still trying to

understand Him " ?

> Sri Vyasa deva simplified vedas later, as history unfolds.

> Please give an interpretation to it.

> Thanks.

> --

----

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>

>

>

> Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]

> Monday, July 26, 2004 11:15 AM

> guruvayur

> sampradaya question

>

>

>

> Dear Sridharan -

>

> What you have said below is very appropriate :

>

> " These questions and divisions are nothing before Lord Narayana. He

is above all these humanly created sectorism. Be it Sri Sankara, Sri

Ramanuja or Sri Madhwa - the acceptance of Him same. They are showing

only different ways which will lead to Him. This does not mean that

He is bound by that way. He is beyond the reaches of all these - that

is how the Brahma Sutra of Sri Veda Vyasa claims (Even the vedas are

still trying to understand Him).

>

> Thus when we see Lord Guruvayurappan our thoughts must be such that

He stays in our heart forever. "

>

> sectarian discussions will lead to unhappines. but these divisions

do confuse the mind because the acharyas differ on the nature of the

lord so much. only he can resolve these confusions ultimately. so as

you said somehow arrest him in the heart.

>

> we are indebted to the acharyas for their teachings. but some times

it becomes very painful because of clash between schools of thought.

for example, iskcon (caitanya school) criticizes sankara's school as

mayavada - that is devoid of true bhakti - as sankara teaches that

only brahman exists and in many places denies the form of brahman.

but to me it appears that sankara's teachings are not devoid of

bhakti. that sankara refers only to the lord by brahman and he only

says that the lord's form is inconceivable as it is infinite and in

one sense is formless like akasa.

>

> the problem is not serious if we just go to the temple and come

back. but if we decide to surrender to a guru, then we have to

determine whether we want to be sri vaishnavas, advaitins, madhwas or

gaudiyas. i have not been able to resolve this for myself. it does

hinder in the progress of devotion. i dont know how others feel.

>

> best regards

>

> rajaram v.

>

>

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Hare krishna ,

Even if you learned all the vedas , you cannot understand krishna becasue krishna wants a sincere love and devotional service from his devotees.

when you pray lord , ask krishna please engage me in your service .

please rectify , if there is any wrong.

 

Thanks ,

servant of Lord krishna

sasi Guruvayoor."PS, Vinod K (GE Energy)" <vinod.ps wrote:

 

Thanks for your suggestion.

Then a more proper statement should be that - "Even Veda Vidyarthis (so-called) are still trying to understand Him" & not Vedas.

Because "Srimad Ramayanam" declares that "Knowledge" is that which reveals the Lord, his totallity/absoluteness.

And I hope that an incomplete thing cannot describe the complete (Lord).

Please rectify, if wrong.

----------------

 

Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 2:53 PMguruvayur Subject: Re: Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him

i quoted sridharan.

 

in the gita the lord says that even by a study of vedas one does not understand him. that is probably why sridharan says this. "PS, Vinod K (GE Energy)" <vinod.ps wrote:

 

SRI RAMA JAYAM

 

 

Hello Mahatman(s),

 

I am new to your group. My name is vinod.

Mr. Rajaram just a Q ?

Vedas are supposed to be the inseparable textual personality of the Lord himself. The vedas imply perfect totallity, timewise & spacewise.

How can you claim that "Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him" ?

Sri Vyasa deva simplified vedas later, as history unfolds.

Please give an interpretation to it.

Thanks.

-----------------------

 

 

Rajaram Venkataramani [v_raja_ram]Monday, July 26, 2004 11:15 AMguruvayur Subject: sampradaya question

 

 

Dear Sridharan -

What you have said below is very appropriate :"These questions and divisions are nothing before Lord Narayana. He is above all these humanly created sectorism. Be it Sri Sankara, Sri Ramanuja or Sri Madhwa - the acceptance of Him same. They are showing only different ways which will lead to Him. This does not mean that He is bound by that way. He is beyond the reaches of all these - that is how the Brahma Sutra of Sri Veda Vyasa claims (Even the vedas are still trying to understand Him).

Thus when we see Lord Guruvayurappan our thoughts must be such that He stays in our heart forever."

sectarian discussions will lead to unhappines. but these divisions do confuse the mind because the acharyas differ on the nature of the lord so much. only he can resolve these confusions ultimately. so as you said somehow arrest him in the heart.

we are indebted to the acharyas for their teachings. but some times it becomes very painful because of clash between schools of thought. for example, iskcon (caitanya school) criticizes sankara's school as mayavada - that is devoid of true bhakti - as sankara teaches that only brahman exists and in many places denies the form of brahman. but to me it appears that sankara's teachings are not devoid of bhakti. that sankara refers only to the lord by brahman and he only says that the lord's form is inconceivable as it is infinite and in one sense is formless like akasa.

the problem is not serious if we just go to the temple and come back. but if we decide to surrender to a guru, then we have to determine whether we want to be sri vaishnavas, advaitins, madhwas or gaudiyas. i have not been able to resolve this for myself. it does hinder in the progress of devotion. i dont know how others feel.

best regards

rajaram v.

 

 

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