[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] RE: Geeta - Chapters

April 8, 2005

guruvayur , " PS, Vinod K \(GE Energy\) "

<vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

>

> !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Trying to put the Gita chapters in an order ..... plz rectify if

wrong.

>

> Gita Chapter-1 Arjuna Vishada Yoga ;

> Gita Chapter-2 Karma Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-4 Gyan-Karma-Sanyas Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-5 Karma-Sanyas Yoga ;

> Gita Chapter-6 Aatma-Sanyam or Dhyana Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-7 Gyan-Vigyan Yoga ;

> Gita Chapter-8 Akshara-Brahma Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-9 Raj Vidya - Raj Guyha Yoga

> Gita Chapter-10 Vibhuti Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-11 Vishvaroop Darshan Yoga ;

> Gita Chapter-12 Bhakti Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-13 Kshetra-Kshetragya Vibhag Yoga ;

> Gita Chapter-14 Guna-traya Vibhaga Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-15 Purushottam Yoga;

Gita Chapter-16 Daivasur-Sampdvibhag Yoga ;

Gita Chapter-17 Shradhatray Vibhag Yoga

> Gita Chapter-18 Moksha-Sanyasa Yoga

>

> I have put the chapter titles in terms of " Yoga " principle. Most

welcome the suggestions if any of the devotees wish to rename/change

the title as the case may be.

> I am planning to have 3 main divisions to our interpretations as

following -

>

> 1) GITA Mahatmyam (which should cover) -

> a) Krishna as Jagadguru (with a comparison to his other

Lilas) ....

> b) Arjuna as Atma & Krishna as Paramatma sitting on the same

chariot.

> c) A brief description to the battle field (as " Bhavasaagara

Madhye " ) & symbolic meaning of the Arjuna's chariot( " Dharmaratham " ).

> d) Krishna pacifying the escapism of Arjuna & granting him the

eligibility to hear GITA directly from the supreme Lord.

> (Please add-on your comments........This is only the 1st

iteration)

>

> 2) GITA (with chapters & purport)

> (Please recommend the chapters as per your priority........This

is VIP)

>

> 3) GITA phalashruti

> -----------------------------

>

> Dear all, kindly come up with a more robust & flexible plan to

construct our approach & flow.

>

> Thanks....

>

> Hare Krishna ....

> Hare Rama ......

>

> GANAPATHY RAMAN [agraman62]

> Friday, April 08, 2005 12:38 AM

> guruvayur

> RE: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] RE: Geeta

>

> Yes Vinod,

> I am happy at last you hv decided to commence the Mahayagna of Gita

from Vishu and I am sure by the Grace of Lord Krishna all will go

smoothly.Many people will join in course and the yagna will be a nice

breeding ground for gud guidance to all.Gita does not belong to one

particular sect or religion.It is applicable to all the human

beings.God never distinguishes a devotee on the basis of his

caste,community,religion like Sun which sheds its light to all

things God is all pervading and all can be benefitted from the GITA

as it is a Universal concept.of the way the human beings shuld guide

their lives.It clears the doubts that arises in the mind of every

individual on day to day life.Lord of Universe thru His teachings

guide the human beings to live a life of worthiness.

> Anayasena maranam vina dainyena jivanam

> Dehi me kripaya Krishna tvayi baktimachanchalam

> ( A life wothout hardships and an end that is peaceful.That is all

I ask of you

> Krishna and unswerving devotion for you.)

> There can be some initial hiccups in this great journey but I do

hope that by the Grace of the Lord all hardships will be overcome and

the mission will become successful.Sanjaya one of the key characters

in Mahabharata says:

> YATHRA YOGESWARA KRISHNO YATHRA PARTHO DHANURDHARA:

> THATHRA SRIRVIJAYO BHUTHYRDHRUVA NEETHIRMATHIRMAMA

> Where Mahayogi Krishna and kandeepa arjuna reside there stay

Mahalakshmy,success,prosperity,dharma and justice.

> By contemplating on this I pray let this Maha Yagna be a grand gala

affair enabling the devotees to get themselves attracted more n more

by the Greatest of Yogis LORD KRISHNA. for getting rid of their

mental aberrations and a blending of peaceful and harmonious life and

eventual salvation.I wish all the devotees of Lord join in this task

thanks to the great effort put by Veena and Vinod the harbingers of

this megha topic to be portrayed in the forum for the benefit of all

devotees.

>

> Hare Krishna,Om Namo Narayanaya.

>

> agraman

>

> " PS, Vinod K (GE Energy) " <vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

>

> !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

>

> Dear Lord Krishna & his devotees,

>

> After reading a big brainstorming, I wish to add some comments. I

was keeping quiet on this becoz I was expecting a more no. of

devotees to share this task. Thank you Shri A G Raman & Shri Rajaram

for a descriptive interpretation. Let me disclose that now I am more

interested towards starting this GITA Mahayagna. GITA is infinite in

the 18 chapters ....... each of its chapters & its respective shlokas

reveal a new meaning to each one of us everytime we read. It is

nearly impossible to understand the full depth & purport of GITA. But

being born in Kali age, we are blessed with many recommendable

bhashyams on GITA (as quoted in earlier mails) & that definitely

gives us a platform to compare them & draw the best essence based on

our priorities. Let us not drive this as a prestige issue against any

of our great acharyas but we should invest some time in trying to

understand what they have to say to us, keeping GITA & Krishna as

saakshi. The work is Himala! yan, but let us not forget that

> Krishna is always there to fall upon. Becoz of the extreme

bandwidth of this supreme text, we surely need to curtail the topics

which are highly relevant to us especially in the kali-age. I hope

you all will support me on this point. To add color to our

explanations on Gita verses we are free to quote instances from

Bhagavattam, Ramayanam, Puranas etc. where the same Lord can be seen

as doing what he is speaking off, in GITA. This will help us simplify

our concepts & retain a better understanding.

>

> Dear all, I wish that it's high time now when we should start to

lay a foundation of our till discussed views & plans. Next thursday,

it's VISHU & let's pray to " Krishna " if he can offer us GITA as this

year's Vishu Kaineettam which will remain with us for long.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Hare Krishna ....

> Hare Rama ......

>

> GANAPATHY RAMAN [agraman62]

> Wednesday, April 06, 2005 2:41 PM

> guruvayur

> Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] RE: Geeta

>

> Dear Rajaram,

> I appreciate the sentiments expressed by you and in some way you

are correct.But I wish to stress here I presume the suggestions made

by Veena and VINOD is only to explain the verses of Gita and their

importation.It is not meant to replace Vedas,Upanishads etc.People

hear and quote Gita but actually they dont know any of the verses I

mean a gud percentage and their meanings and how they shuld be guided

by the tatwas Gita enunciate.It is not going to be something like

some mantropadesha for which a Guru is essential but to elucidate

what Gita says in the different chapters or rather what Lord Krishna

explains the doubts raised by Arjuna for the everso many doubts he

was having.Of course Great people like Sankara,Madhva,Ramanuja and

others hv written bashyams on Bhagavat Gita which only scholars can

understand.So the idea behind this suggestion is to put the meaning

in an appreciable way with quotes if any for everybody to understand.

> Even Sage Vyasa wrote

> GITA SUGITA KARTHAVYA KIMANYAI: SASTRASANGRAHAI:

> YA SWAYAM PADHMANABHASYA MUGHAPADMATHVINISRUTHA

> He means that the Gita came from the Lotus face of Padhmanabha and

to learn,hear,study well will suffice and there is no necessity to

study any sastras.So in fact Gita contains all the essence of vedas

and sastras.All wont be fortunate to learn those things which could

be studied under an astute person whi has mastered those things.So

the idea of telling the meaning of the verses contained in the Gita

for everybodys sake.I am not a scholar and dont know much abt Vedas

and sastras and also dont know the meaning of verses of Gita and the

portrayal of the same in this forum will help people like me to grasp

what exactly Gita contains and what the Lord has enunciated in His

teachings so that people like me can try to emulate to the best of

our ability.Books published by Gita Press,Gorakpur and Swami

Chinmayanandas everso many books on Gita would be sufficient to get a

gud knowledge.Of course more may be added to convenience.

>

> Lord Krishna also says:

> GITASREYAHAM DHISHTAMI GITA MAY SHOTHAMAM GRAHAM

> GITAJNANAMUPASHRYTHYA THREENLOKAN BALAYAMYAHAM.

> the above is from Varaha Purana meaning that the Lord lives by

Gita.My best dwelling is Gita.It is thru the Gyanam that is bestowed

by Gita I protect all the worlds.I think this may be my answer for yr

parambara when the whole thing comes from the Lord where is the other

parambara?

> Hence dear Rajaram I dont want to make any controversy on this and

yr idea of having a Guru is not practicable.Sometimes one must be

pragmatic in his approach.From where one will find an adept Guru?Can

all the devotees go to such people to get clarifications ?.where r

they?Gandhiji,Nehru,Arabinda Ghosh,Vinobaji,Rajaji and everso many

luminouries hv studied Gita and some of them made it a practice to

recite everyday.But as far as I know none of them had any Guru except

Lord Krishna.the Greatest of all Gurus.Such be the case why you want

to embark on a Gurukulam idea which is well nigh impossible as you

know.So the best way for interaction is thru some portals like this

where views can be exchanged.If you and I go in search of some Guru

can we hv any connection unless this forum has come.

> I express my view from a practical angle.I am not disputing what

you hv said that may be yr view.I wonder why the people who suggested

this topic VEENA n VINOD hv not expressed any opinion apart from some

suggestions and why there is a dearth of persons to exchange views.Is

it coz of non attachment or non interest in the subject.I AM GIVING

MY OWN OPINION AND I dont expect all to accept the same as everbody

has his/her own views on any subject.

>

> Anyway I am happy that I hv been able to learn something from yr

mail.Knowledge develops only thru such exchanges.Best wishes.

> Hare Krishna.

> agraman

>

> Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram> wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Ganapathu Raman -

>

> I am not offended by what you have said. So feel free to make your

points as we belong to one family of devotees of lord krishna.

>

> But I am verily on the same subject that Veena & you are talking

about. As you pointed out, " So it would be a gud idea to select some

books of famous authors and what they say abt the verses in every

chapter and put them in a simple way so that all can read and

benefit.The best intrepretation may be taken for guidance. " My point

was about which authors to choose from one of the 1000 odd

interpretations. I favoured choosing the acharyas representing a

tradition for the following reasons :

>

> 1) BG was instructed to Arjuna by Lord Krishna after Arjuna

said " sishyas te 'ham sadhi mam tvam prapannam " in BG 2.7. That is " I

am your surrendered disciple " . And in BG 4.2, the lord says that

this knowledge was received through parampara - " evam parampara

praptam " . So it seems to me that to appreciate Gitopanishad one has

to go through guru mukham. Please correct me if you think my

understanding is wrong with appropriate pramana.

>

> 2) Gita has to be seen in the context of the whole vedic literature

as it is the essence of the teachings of the upanishads. It may be

misleading to read the works of people who dont have proper training

in sruti, smrti and puranas. To clarify that this is what Krishna

means here, one should have realized Krishna or represent an acharya

who has realized God. I think mere knowledge of sanskrit or worldly

wisdom would be insufficient to interpret the Gita.

>

> That is why I recommend choosing the works of the acharyas over

common people. If there are people representing different traditions

on this group, the discussion would lead to better understanding of

vedanta.

>

> Best Regards

> Rajaram V.

>

> GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62> wrote:

>

> Dear Rajaram,

> Actually speaking I dont know whether you are off the tangent.Now

we are not concerned with the various siddhanthas like

Advaita,Dwaita,Vishitadvaita etc.Each acharya had his own method to

reach and teach his philosophy.But as far as I know none of them has

disputed Bhagavat Gita.Even Adi Sankara the doyen of advaita has

written abt Gita and so too many others.So there need be no confusion

on that point.Here what Veena proposed is to impart the commonly read

Bhagavat Gita where Lord Krishna teaches the various aspects of

life.Of course what I meant by intrepretations is that there is a

cluster of books on Gita and lot of authors have given their versions

on the various chapter verses.So it would be a gud idea to select

some books of famous authors and what they say abt the verses in

every chapter and put them in a simple way so that all can read and

benefit.The best intrepretation may be taken for guidance.That is of

course a herculian task and requires some master bra! ! in.We need

> not

> require any Guru for studying Gita and a Guru is essential to study

Vedas,Upanishads etc.I dont know whether there is some confusion in

your mind.What you hv quoted has nothing to do with Gita which is

acclaimed as a Great master piece and also translated into many

languages I understand.So instead of embarking on other things let us

confine ourselves only to the subject of Gita.I am sorry if you feel

offended as that is not my intention but I hv a doubt whether you hv

not properly understood abt the discussion that Veena mooted.Hare

Krishna.Your point we will discuss later.

> Regards,

> agraman

>

> Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram> wrote:

>

> As Sri Ganapathy Raman put it, it is a very onerous task to compile

& discuss all the different interpretations. There are over 1000

editions of the gita each differing from one another in their

interpretation. The following authors are considered to be realized

acharyas representing a tradition. To be able to hear and discuss

their words itself is a great fortune but the danger one may also get

confused as to whose interpretation is absolute if he learns every

thing. Best is to learn from a guru coming from a tradition if one is

fortunate.

>

> 1) Sankara - Advaita

> 2) Ramanuja - Visishtadvaita

> 3) Madhwa - Dwaita

> 4) Srila Prabhupada, Visvanath Cakravarthy Thakura, Baladev

Vidyabhushana - Achintya Bheda Abheda

> 5) Madhusudana - Advaita but is interesting because he considers

Krishna to be the supreme lord and other influences of achintya bheda

abheda tradition of caitanya. He also interprets every word.

> 6) Sridhara Swami - Kevala Advaita. He is also said to be showing

the influence of caitanya's tradition.

> 7) Vallabhacharya - Suddha Advaita. He considers Vatsalya rasa ( or

parental transcendental affection towards the lord ) to be the

greatest. Caitanya and his followers consider Madhurya rasa to be the

greatest.

>

> I dont know if there are commentaries based on bheda abheda of

bhaskara and dwaita advaita still extant & practised by living

tradition.

>

> Please correct me if I have said any thing wrong.

>

> Best Regards

> Rajaram V.

> GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62> wrote:

>

> Dear Veena,

> Your idea is laudable but as you may know the intrepretation of

Gita containing 18 chapters n a thousand slokas is not such an easy

job.I am not discouraging but an astute study of every sloka and the

meaning which can be intrepreted by various devotees in their own way

and there r umpteen number of books on this subject each quoting

different thing in their own way.So the presentation of each sloka

shuld be done in a methodical way which invite least comments from

the devotees as each may follow different books written by different

authors and with different ideas.So all these must be assimilated

into a nice form and presented and the task is a very onerous one and

when started the flow must be continuous.It may take many many months

to cover just like a megha serial and the dedication of the persons

presenting the verse and the meaning in an appreciable way and in a

lucid style so that there shuld be no confusion and arguments and

discussions can be limited to a great exte! ! nt.

> I on my part can extent my co operation to the best of my ability

and make your wish a success for the benefit of everso many devotees

who actually speaking a very great percentage would hv heard abt Gita

but hv no idea what the Lord says as Gita is a form of enunciation of

way of life,dealing with what is a dharma n what is adharma,what is

absolute devotion,duty,dedication, how one has to act under a certain

circumstance,what are the different types of devotees and non

devotees,what are the various yogas for attaining liberation and so

many other factors.It is also said that what is in Gita cant be found

anywhere.As Gita contains explanations for all situations.

> Of course I need not go in detail now as you must hv sufficient

knowledge abt the matter and I only suggested that the presentation

part shuld be in such a way that those who hv access to the matter

shuld show more and more interest in the subject.If that can be

fulfilled then it would be a great success and a wonderful service of

the contributors to make devotees who hv only vague idea abt the

varios chapters and slokas and the meaning they import.

> Anyway it is a fantastic idea and I do hope more people will join

in this Yagna for the benefit of all as Lord says both believers and

non believers are my devotees and I dont find any difference among

them.

> so go ahead in the project which will be long and of course you

will hv enough support even if there may or may not be much adulation

initially as time goes by I am sure more and more people will join in

this Maha Yagna out of interest and curiosity.I hope Vinod will also

lend his helping hand and other devotees will join when once the idea

is floated and materialised.The selection of Vishu day is an ideal

one.I do hope more people will join in this Group to inculcate more

spirit in others.I am sure the Lord will be pleased in such a

venture.Organising mails and other parts I dont hv any suggestion at

present.

>

> Hare Krishna,Guruvayoorappa.

> agraman

>

> Veena Nair <vee_1807> wrote:

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya!

> It is very encouraging to see your mail Vinod. I too was hoping

that we could get started around Vishu, so that is good! You raise

very good points about organizing the mails; I hope Sunil can help us

with organizing the mails timewise and just putting them in a single

folder every week, so that if some one has missed a mail or not had

time to read, he/she can go back to that folder and catch up.

> I am still hoping more members will respond. Ideally if we have 9

people on this, each of us can take responsibility for 2 chapters;

otherwise we can just decide on the most important chapters we want

discussed and go with that. Post 2 slokas every Monday or if we are

starting on Vishu day, it is a Thursday. So we can have 2 slokas

every Thursday or every other Thursday? and spent the time between to

discuss or address any points.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya!

>

> --

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> " PS, Vinod K (GE Energy) " <vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

>

> !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

>

> Veena - Let me tell you that " Krishna " has opted you to initiate

this sacred proposal of divinity. I am very much eager to express my

welcome this great-great idea. As I have heard from the leading

acharyas - " Bhagavattam " is the soul of Krishna & " Gita " is his

mind ..... But understanding GITA being a very responsible & serious

job, extreme attention & involvement of each one of us is always

expected. Hence, interested devotees to share this pious task must

come forward & brief out there plans to frame this work in a proper

going. Let me express my interest to this job at first.

> Veena, I agree with you on the point that one needs to understand

the full depth of each shloka that our Lord stated in GITA & hence,

prioritising shlokas & concerned chapters is also very important.

Hence, a period of 2 weeks (as I feel) must cover the entire essence

of 2 or 3 selected shlokas. Let us not keep the discussion restricted

to one day....but keep it moving every day. Becoz, we will be sending

our purports on each shlokas, the subject tile should speak

the " Chapter number & the shloka number " in every message. Moreover,

to retain the continuity of discussion, the sorting of mails timewise

is another IMP job. Thirdly, one should take the responsibility of

combining these messages on the same shloka into one message &

refloat it across the group at the end of each day. This will help

all of us to keep the track of flow & understanding. Once, the entire

discussion on a shloka gets completed, it should be documented as one

file in our da! ! tabase for easy access & a review, if

> required.

>

> Wish to hear more on this.

> Through a sincere planning, hopefully by VISHU time we all can

start with this.

>

> Hare Krishna....

> Hare Rama....

>

> Veena Nair [vee_1807]

> Friday, April 01, 2005 1:02 AM

> guruvayur

> [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Re:Krishna Bhagavan group !!

>

> Yes I did get this email abt the Krishna Bhagavan grp while ago and

deleted it!

>

> I wanted to ask the group if it would be possible for us to start a

weekly posting of slokas from the Geeta? Members who regulary post to

this group could volunteer to post 2 or 3 slokas from the Gita once a

week (we could fix a day) and then the next few days whoever wanted

to post queries or further interpretations or explanations for those

slokas could do that. We could post the Sankrit version of the sloka

alongwith the English version so that most members wd have no problem

reading it. But we do need conscientious members who would take

responsibility for a certain chapter, post all the slokas, however

many weeks that takes, and then the next volunteer could start the

next chapter and so on. So say every Monday we cd post the 2/3 slokas

with their literal meaning, as given in the text we are referring to,

and then a brief summary of the explanation in our own words. In the

subsequent days, if other members want to add to it they cd do that.

Then next Monday the next 2/3! ! ! and so

> on.

>

> What does everyone say? if you think it is a do-able idea, then pl

send out an email about which chapters you would like to do, a

preferred day that you want to do this and number of slokas per day

(once a week).

>

> I hope lot of people will respond.

> Om Namo Narayanaya!!

>

> " PS, Vinod K (GE Energy) " <vinod.ps@g...> wrote:

>

> !! Sri Rama Jayam !!

>

> Today evening, I have received one mail from " Krishna Bhagavan "

group ( - <rx_rajeev> rx_rajeev)

inviting my membership. I am really surprised to see this especially

when I saw --- " This invitation expires in 7 days

(??) " ......and, " Free kerala based Sri Krishna forum to solve

all your problems (??)... "

> This appeared to me more as a business advertisement.

> I am very unhappy to see " Krishna " projected this way.

> Please let me know, if any of you have received a similar thing.

> Your suggestions are very important in this respect.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Hare Krishna ......

> Hare Rama ........

>

April 8, 2005

Dear Vinod,

Your idea is gud.All the 18 chapters in the Gita are designated,each as a type

of yoga.The function of yoga is to train the body and the mind.As Patanjali says

that yoga is not for him who is given to dejection or worry.Poise and a blissful

attitude are indispensable for the practice of yoga.Still the first chapter is

designated as a system of yoga.Arjuna Vishada Yogam-Yoga of Arjunas

Dejection.This is no more apt than calling darkness light.Why then is this

chapter recognised as a system of yoga?Becaues the dejection of Arjuna on the

battle field was not due to any earthly desires.He was in a dilemma whether to

go in for war or to go to wilderness.So he yields to a break down.The Messengers

of Light advocate this kind of distress as a prelude to spiritual

enlightenment.Here it prepares arjuna for yoga.Hence this distress of Arjuna is

also called a system of Yoga.

All the 18 yogas may be reduced to four -the Karma,Raja,Bakthy and Jnana

Yoga.Tradition holds that spiritual life begins with Karma Yoga and goes on

evolving into the other three respectively.Neverthless this does not warrant

that one system is anterior to another.All thru the discourses the Lord equates

Karma with supreme Jnana.In several places Bakti is placed on par with

Jnana.Elsewhere Raja yoga gets a footing parallel to Bakti.In HIM these yogas

suffer no gradation.neither is there anything like evolution of one into the

other.All these can be considered as the moral and spiritual growth of the

individual.Since Sri Krishna handles all the four Yogas with equal importance he

is called Yogeswara.The 18 chapters are conventionally called the Three Sixes

the trisatkam.The first 6 chpaters elucidate the word thou in the

maha-vakyam.The word stands for the Jivatman with its potentialities and

possibilities.The seeming limitations of the individual soul and how they could

be overcome

to the point of perfection.Chapter 7 to 12 form the second satkam.This deals

with That indicating God or Ultimate Reality.The third satkam contains last 6

chapters.The predicate art gets explained in this portion.The relationship

between the Cosmic Reality and the individual soul.Giving weight to all the

three is the speciality of the Gita.

The greatest contribution that an Incarnation of God makes to the world isHis

life and career.He is necessarily a man with a message.His deeds and

exploits,even more than His utterances deliver that message in unmistakable

terms.Through the force of His character He exerts an abiding influence on those

who come in contact with Him.He preached nothing but what He put onto practice

all through His Life.Unlike an ordinary mortal he never wept or shed tears.There

was nothing in the world to cause him any disappointment.No event did ever

spring a surprise on him.Care and anxiety could no more find quarter in Him than

mist in the solar blaze.He was ever established in the beaming bliss of Self

Perfection.The best commentary on the Gita therefore is Sri Krishna Himself.

While ordinary mortals lean towards one or other system of philosophy,in Himself

Krishna was not a Dvaitin,Vishitadvaitin or Advaitin.He was not touched by the

wranglings of the philosophers.These three schools of thought,on the other hand

,ever pay homage to His Personality.Each system attempts in its own way to

contact and create a relationship with Him according to its convictions.Sri

Krishna is ever Himself.He is indefinable.But when He is immanent in the

Universe,He is denoted as SAT CIT ANANDAM-Existence-Knowledge-Bliss.The first 6

chapters are devoted to the elucidation of SAT or Existence the next 6 are

devoted to the definition of God and the cultivation of devotion Anandam

Brahmam-Bliss is Reality.The processes of cleansing the faculty of understanding

are presented in the third section dealing with the path of knowledge.God is

Light.Karma yoga postulates Sat,Bakthy Yoga anandam and Jnana Yoga cit.All the

three systems culminate in Yogeswara.Very few understand that the aim

of human life is to see God.All that can be learned by going through the whole

of Gita can as well be accomolished by repeating Gita,Gita--Gita-gi-ta-gita ten

times it virtually comes Tyagi, Tyagi a modification which means one who has

given up the world both outwardly and from the mind.This is something like

Valmiki recited when he was a hunter by saying ma-ra,ma-ra and it became

rama,rama.

Of course I agree this has nothing to do with the subject you hv raised and the

suggestions sought but just as an introduction I hv said what I wished to

say.More can be discussed when we rake the thing further.It is a nice idea to

start with Gita Mahatmyam.But is it not better under what circumstances the Lord

was forced to make the teachings,the earlier happenings, a brief sketch of the

gud and bad relationship of the Pandavas and Gauravas not in detail but in a

precise way so that it may cover the Mahabharatam also.Some light can be thrown

on the characters of Dhuryodhana,sakuni,karna,the great acharyas Drona,Bhishma

and their advices,the affection of Dhritharashtra for the Gauravas,the

circumstances which made Pandavas go into exile,the cantankerous attitude of

Dhuryodhana not to give anything to them after their come back from exile,Lord

going as a Messenger and the warning from Him that will lead to war,Dhuryodhanas

request to give the lakh army,and Arjunas prayer to hv the

Lord with them and the subsequent war and during the course when Arjuna became

a dejected man Lord started His Teachings and showing His Viswaroopa darsan and

then made Arjuna a real warrior by putting every action on the Lord so that the

circumstances of the birth of Gita could be put in more nice way.Hence I feel

straightaway starting Gita may not be proper but with the birth of Lord in the

prison and little description of his chilhood pranks will add more color to the

subject.Though Gita and its meaning of the verses could be focussed in an

elaborate way a brief descrption of the beginning will be more palatable I

feel.OF COURSE THI IS ONLY MY SUGGESTION.IF OTHERS ALSO HV BETTER IDEAS IT WOULD

BE NICE TO HV A SMOOTH FLOW OF THE EVENTS WHICH CAN BE ENJOYED BY ALL.However IT

IS BETTER TO START WITH THE BIRTH OF LORD KRISHNA ON THE VISHU DAY by having a

gud description of the Lord and that will be an appropriate and auspicious

beginning I feel.What are yr opinion Veena ,Sunil

,Rajaram and others who are reading this silently without taking part?Anyway

the decision you can take.May Lord Krishna Bless.I dont think it is necessary to

change the order of the chapters as they hv been arranged in such a way and any

disturbance may be a problem..However all the verses need not be discussed and

some verses from each chapter can be discussed which shed more light on the

subject.

agraman

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