Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Om Namo Narayanaya. I agree with Shri Raman's perspective and I think it is a good idea for group members to come forth with suggestions on what they would like to see or not see being discussed. It is important that more people participate and make this an interactive forum rather than just 2-3 same people writing on things. If members don't hv anything to say, but hv questions, then please feel free to ask. Maybe someone else will have the answer. If you as a member want to post poems, slokas, share something you heard or read please do so. I didn't want to open my mail everyday to see if somebody had posted something, and feel disappointed if there was nothing and hence I put forth this idea of having slokas from the Gita. But please, if anyone else has some other suggestions feel free to discuss it. Thanks. GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote:Hare Krishna Dear Group, I wonder that except 3 or 4 ppl none of them show any real interest in any subject.Certainly it cant be due to lack of time but can only be construed as sheer disinterest and apathy.In going thru the mails I dont find much contribution from the other Group Members.Perhaps they just read and hesitate to reply.Or they may not be interested in the topics. Hence I suggest that the Group Members may be given freedom to voice their topics of interest so as to build a vibrant mood to take part in the discussions.Let them narrate their experiences and mail topics of their choice on spiritual aspect.That is the only way to build more contacts and discuss subjects of interest.All may not be interested in what is put and may have the impression that the subject matter that is put forth is beyond their reaction and so let them send their topics of interest.This may be followed by discussions of other members.This is the only alternative to build this Group a strong and dynamic one.I hv seen the members of other Groups who take lively interest in their group activities and express themselves well.Such a change must be made in this group also if at all the Group wants to lift itself up from the present state of affairs which is really pathetic.Again I stress lack of time is not the factor in this attitude but only disinterest. I hv stated what I felt and not to wound anybodys feelings but with the avowed interest of more members contributing different topics of interest for the benefit of all the Members and a drive must also be made to make more members to join the Group.I hv expressed this only with good intention and the growth of the Group in mind.Wherever a person is located it is not impossible to take part in the activities,I mean by their contribution of topics of God which will go a long way in building this Group an attractive one.It is really unfortunate that much responses are not coming from the Members as they want to be dormant members instead of active ones.Rest is left to the Members. Hare Krishna Be Merciful to all. agraman India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Mr. Raman: Your passionate sentiments towards the lack of participation by other members of the group is understood and appreciated. However, slowly but surely, I am sure that we will start contributing and participating. Afterall, we all have our own thresholds for silently reading and learning from this ongoing discussion. I have very much appreciated every string of emails received this far, and look forward to opening my emails every day in anticipation of the pearls of knowledge and spirituality that abound these discussions. I am sure this is the case for my fellow " silent " readers. So, please just keep up the dialogue and do not get de-motivated by the silence. It is too soon to divert into alternate modes for enticing participation without fully exploring the present task at hand. I am sure, the lord will make it work out. Although I cannot speak for others, I must confess that I am not so well versed in the intricacies of the relationships and dynamics between the characters in the Gita. We all are in different stages of our spiritual evolution and it is going to take some time for all of us to be " in sync " to be able to expound on these topics at length. Consider us to be the ignorant and naive, but loving " Gopas " of Vrindavan, who just loved and served the lord for the pure joy of devotion. At times, I am just speechless with joy at my good fortune for being a part of this group, and to have the opportunity to silently partake in this discussion. So, please keep up your good work. You and the others who contribute regularly are the gardners who have planted the seeds of devotion into our fertile minds, it might take sometime to sprout, but do keep watering these fertile grounds with your discussions and soon we all shall reap a bountiful harvest. Sri Krishnaaya Parabrahmane Namaha. Narasimhan Nagan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Hare Krishna Dear Group, I wonder that except 3 or 4 ppl none of them show any real interest in any subject.Certainly it cant be due to lack of time but can only be construed as sheer disinterest and apathy.In going thru the mails I dont find much contribution from the other Group Members.Perhaps they just read and hesitate to reply.Or they may not be interested in the topics. Hence I suggest that the Group Members may be given freedom to voice their topics of interest so as to build a vibrant mood to take part in the discussions.Let them narrate their experiences and mail topics of their choice on spiritual aspect.That is the only way to build more contacts and discuss subjects of interest.All may not be interested in what is put and may have the impression that the subject matter that is put forth is beyond their reaction and so let them send their topics of interest.This may be followed by discussions of other members.This is the only alternative to build this Group a strong and dynamic one.I hv seen the members of other Groups who take lively interest in their group activities and express themselves well.Such a change must be made in this group also if at all the Group wants to lift itself up from the present state of affairs which is really pathetic.Again I stress lack of time is not the factor in this attitude but only disinterest. I hv stated what I felt and not to wound anybodys feelings but with the avowed interest of more members contributing different topics of interest for the benefit of all the Members and a drive must also be made to make more members to join the Group.I hv expressed this only with good intention and the growth of the Group in mind.Wherever a person is located it is not impossible to take part in the activities,I mean by their contribution of topics of God which will go a long way in building this Group an attractive one.It is really unfortunate that much responses are not coming from the Members as they want to be dormant members instead of active ones.Rest is left to the Members. Hare Krishna Be Merciful to all. agraman India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Sri.Narasimhan, I really appreciate the views expressed by you and I am happy that this topic of Apathy has some response.As Swami Vivekananda said Arise,Awake and Stop not till the Goal is achieved unless and until the Members contribute something may be some slokas,stories,questions,doubts or such things as suggested by Veena, will not this forum becomes a dull affair as rightly pointed out by Veena that 2 or 3 same persons writing and discussing and this will definitely dampen the spirit of even these 2-3 persons as it becomes some show conducted by 2-3 persons when the real objective is to expand the forum to a considerable height.It is not necessary one shuld be well versed in the realm of spirituality as that domain is full of thorns and cant be an easy affair to tread thru.But there are umpteen other sources of interest which can be utilised as contributions such as poems of renowned or known poets praisimg the Lord,stories countless in number depicting the Leelas of the Lord which can be put in a more modulated form and there need be no hesitation whether that will be appreciated by others or not as this forum I feel is not for showing any intellectual vanity but for showing the way or leading the way to the Greatness of the LORD in an entirely different atmosphere and raise the level of mind to great heights in course.Sometimes shyness also can be one of th reasons.Absolutely there is no need for that as all the Members are not inborn prophets and all are learning only from different sources.Though some come out openly others hesitate to do so whether their views will be accepted or not.Dont bother abt those things.You hv the right to express yr views which may be palatable or not to others.The important thing required is to come out of the shell in which the Members got themselves entangled so far and make a bid to do their lot.The point is not to prove anybodys erudition or knowledge but to make the forum lively and certainly Lord of Guruvayur will show the right path in due course.Some may contribute topics that may be appreciated ,sometimes not and this need not be a stumbling block in a members contribution as nobody is perfect in his/her expression and all hv their own weak points which can be disputed.But that is not the aim.The goal is how to strengthen this forum so that all members can participate in one way or other so as to make the same a lively one.Nobody need hv the hesitation whether their contribution is inferior to others.There is nothing like that as there is no competition here and all are equal as the Lord says that both believers and non believers,both devotees and non devotees all are equal to Me, after all all contribututions are in praise of the Lord. Hence my anguish and request that all the Members must find some time to say whatever things as knowledge grows only thru dicussions.God Bless. Hare Krishna. agraman Athena Wala <athenawala wrote: Dear Mr. Raman: Your passionate sentiments towards the lack of participation by other members of the group is understood and appreciated. However, slowly but surely, I am sure that we will start contributing and participating. Afterall, we all have our own thresholds for silently reading and learning from this ongoing discussion. I have very much appreciated every string of emails received this far, and look forward to opening my emails every day in anticipation of the pearls of knowledge and spirituality that abound these discussions. I am sure this is the case for my fellow " silent " readers. So, please just keep up the dialogue and do not get de-motivated by the silence. It is too soon to divert into alternate modes for enticing participation without fully exploring the present task at hand. I am sure, the lord will make it work out. Although I cannot speak for others, I must confess that I am not so well versed in the intricacies of the relationships and dynamics between the characters in the Gita. We all are in different stages of our spiritual evolution and it is going to take some time for all of us to be " in sync " to be able to expound on these topics at length. Consider us to be the ignorant and naive, but loving " Gopas " of Vrindavan, who just loved and served the lord for the pure joy of devotion. At times, I am just speechless with joy at my good fortune for being a part of this group, and to have the opportunity to silently partake in this discussion. So, please keep up your good work. You and the others who contribute regularly are the gardners who have planted the seeds of devotion into our fertile minds, it might take sometime to sprout, but do keep watering these fertile grounds with your discussions and soon we all shall reap a bountiful harvest. Sri Krishnaaya Parabrahmane Namaha. Narasimhan Nagan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Hare Krishna Dear Group, I wonder that except 3 or 4 ppl none of them show any real interest in any subject.Certainly it cant be due to lack of time but can only be construed as sheer disinterest and apathy.In going thru the mails I dont find much contribution from the other Group Members.Perhaps they just read and hesitate to reply.Or they may not be interested in the topics. Hence I suggest that the Group Members may be given freedom to voice their topics of interest so as to build a vibrant mood to take part in the discussions.Let them narrate their experiences and mail topics of their choice on spiritual aspect.That is the only way to build more contacts and discuss subjects of interest.All may not be interested in what is put and may have the impression that the subject matter that is put forth is beyond their reaction and so let them send their topics of interest.This may be followed by discussions of other members.This is the only alternative to build this Group a strong and dynamic one.I hv seen the members of other Groups who take lively interest in their group activities and express themselves well.Such a change must be made in this group also if at all the Group wants to lift itself up from the present state of affairs which is really pathetic.Again I stress lack of time is not the factor in this attitude but only disinterest. I hv stated what I felt and not to wound anybodys feelings but with the avowed interest of more members contributing different topics of interest for the benefit of all the Members and a drive must also be made to make more members to join the Group.I hv expressed this only with good intention and the growth of the Group in mind.Wherever a person is located it is not impossible to take part in the activities,I mean by their contribution of topics of God which will go a long way in building this Group an attractive one.It is really unfortunate that much responses are not coming from the Members as they want to be dormant members instead of active ones.Rest is left to the Members. Hare Krishna Be Merciful to all. agraman India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Mr. Raman, Ms Nair and Mr. Vinod: Swami Vivekananda's saying is so appropriate in this setting. Thanks for stirring us awake from this inertia. Since you have so clearly laid out an outline for this discussion, currently we seem to be discussing " Krishna as a Jagadguru " and his relationship with Arjuna. I feel compelled to stay focussed on the discussion or topic being covered and to see how it unfolds rather than interrupting it in the middle with contributions that may not always be directly pertinent to the ongoing dialogue. Having said that, we do make contributions from time to time. Please do not see this as excuses for lack of participation. It is my understanding that the Gita as a scripture stands apart from the Mahabharata. Was your intent to start this dialogue by discussing the Mahabharata in order to set the stage for discussing Gita? Narasimhan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Dear Sri.Narasimhan, I really appreciate the views expressed by you and I am happy that this topic of Apathy has some response.As Swami Vivekananda said Arise,Awake and Stop not till the Goal is achieved unless and until the Members contribute something may be some slokas,stories,questions,doubts or such things as suggested by Veena, will not this forum becomes a dull affair as rightly pointed out by Veena that 2 or 3 same persons writing and discussing and this will definitely dampen the spirit of even these 2-3 persons as it becomes some show conducted by 2-3 persons when the real objective is to expand the forum to a considerable height.It is not necessary one shuld be well versed in the realm of spirituality as that domain is full of thorns and cant be an easy affair to tread thru.But there are umpteen other sources of interest which can be utilised as contributions such as poems of renowned or known poets praisimg the Lord,stories countless in number depicting the Leelas of the Lord which can be put in a more modulated form and there need be no hesitation whether that will be appreciated by others or not as this forum I feel is not for showing any intellectual vanity but for showing the way or leading the way to the Greatness of the LORD in an entirely different atmosphere and raise the level of mind to great heights in course.Sometimes shyness also can be one of th reasons.Absolutely there is no need for that as all the Members are not inborn prophets and all are learning only from different sources.Though some come out openly others hesitate to do so whether their views will be accepted or not.Dont bother abt those things.You hv the right to express yr views which may be palatable or not to others.The important thing required is to come out of the shell in which the Members got themselves entangled so far and make a bid to do their lot.The point is not to prove anybodys erudition or knowledge but to make the forum lively and certainly Lord of Guruvayur will show the right path in due course.Some may contribute topics that may be appreciated ,sometimes not and this need not be a stumbling block in a members contribution as nobody is perfect in his/her expression and all hv their own weak points which can be disputed.But that is not the aim.The goal is how to strengthen this forum so that all members can participate in one way or other so as to make the same a lively one.Nobody need hv the hesitation whether their contribution is inferior to others.There is nothing like that as there is no competition here and all are equal as the Lord says that both believers and non believers,both devotees and non devotees all are equal to Me, after all all contribututions are in praise of the Lord. Hence my anguish and request that all the Members must find some time to say whatever things as knowledge grows only thru dicussions.God Bless. Hare Krishna. agraman Athena Wala <athenawala wrote: Dear Mr. Raman: Your passionate sentiments towards the lack of participation by other members of the group is understood and appreciated. However, slowly but surely, I am sure that we will start contributing and participating. Afterall, we all have our own thresholds for silently reading and learning from this ongoing discussion. I have very much appreciated every string of emails received this far, and look forward to opening my emails every day in anticipation of the pearls of knowledge and spirituality that abound these discussions. I am sure this is the case for my fellow " silent " readers. So, please just keep up the dialogue and do not get de-motivated by the silence. It is too soon to divert into alternate modes for enticing participation without fully exploring the present task at hand. I am sure, the lord will make it work out. Although I cannot speak for others, I must confess that I am not so well versed in the intricacies of the relationships and dynamics between the characters in the Gita. We all are in different stages of our spiritual evolution and it is going to take some time for all of us to be " in sync " to be able to expound on these topics at length. Consider us to be the ignorant and naive, but loving " Gopas " of Vrindavan, who just loved and served the lord for the pure joy of devotion. At times, I am just speechless with joy at my good fortune for being a part of this group, and to have the opportunity to silently partake in this discussion. So, please keep up your good work. You and the others who contribute regularly are the gardners who have planted the seeds of devotion into our fertile minds, it might take sometime to sprout, but do keep watering these fertile grounds with your discussions and soon we all shall reap a bountiful harvest. Sri Krishnaaya Parabrahmane Namaha. Narasimhan Nagan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Hare Krishna Dear Group, I wonder that except 3 or 4 ppl none of them show any real interest in any subject.Certainly it cant be due to lack of time but can only be construed as sheer disinterest and apathy.In going thru the mails I dont find much contribution from the other Group Members.Perhaps they just read and hesitate to reply.Or they may not be interested in the topics. Hence I suggest that the Group Members may be given freedom to voice their topics of interest so as to build a vibrant mood to take part in the discussions.Let them narrate their experiences and mail topics of their choice on spiritual aspect.That is the only way to build more contacts and discuss subjects of interest.All may not be interested in what is put and may have the impression that the subject matter that is put forth is beyond their reaction and so let them send their topics of interest.This may be followed by discussions of other members.This is the only alternative to build this Group a strong and dynamic one.I hv seen the members of other Groups who take lively interest in their group activities and express themselves well.Such a change must be made in this group also if at all the Group wants to lift itself up from the present state of affairs which is really pathetic.Again I stress lack of time is not the factor in this attitude but only disinterest. I hv stated what I felt and not to wound anybodys feelings but with the avowed interest of more members contributing different topics of interest for the benefit of all the Members and a drive must also be made to make more members to join the Group.I hv expressed this only with good intention and the growth of the Group in mind.Wherever a person is located it is not impossible to take part in the activities,I mean by their contribution of topics of God which will go a long way in building this Group an attractive one.It is really unfortunate that much responses are not coming from the Members as they want to be dormant members instead of active ones.Rest is left to the Members. Hare Krishna Be Merciful to all. agraman India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Dear Sri.Narasimhan, Many thanks for yr mail.Of course I agree that Gita is not a part of Mahabharatha and stands apart from the epic.Perhaps sage Vyasa must hv found an opportunity to incorporate the teachings of Krishna in Bharatha as making the same a separate wing may not hv the necessary impact.Of course there are different opinions on this as to who actually inserted Gita in Bharata. There is nothing like a discussion of the Krishna-Arjuna relationship and the same was put only as a subject just to hv some understanding of the key characters of Bharatha and Gita.This need not dampen your spirit to contribute on any subject.As we find in the various Acts sections,sub sections,sub sub sections the same may be treated as a part of the discussion of Sri Krishnas role as an avatar.You can contribute hymns,stories,stotras etc which all form part of discussing the great epic but the relevance of Gita is always there.Gita is a vast ocean that cant be discussed continuously as even in Gita we find Lord says different things in different chapters and not in an order.So by discussing different topics with insertions from Gita will hv greater appreciation.This is what I feel.Of course others may hv different ideas and the same may also be considered.This is what I can say on my part. Anyway I dont think there will be any hassles for you to contribute what you think and nothing prevents you from expressing your ideas on the various subjects in mind but I do feel the same shuld hv some relevance to the main subject.So you can proceed accordingly and need not hv any hesitation as there is no time frame for discussing Gita alone and the various contributions if they contain at least one verse or idea of the Teachings of Krishna the whole of Gita can be covered over a period of time.All the wishes. Hare Krishna, agraman Athena Wala <athenawala wrote: Dear Mr. Raman, Ms Nair and Mr. Vinod: Swami Vivekananda's saying is so appropriate in this setting. Thanks for stirring us awake from this inertia. Since you have so clearly laid out an outline for this discussion, currently we seem to be discussing " Krishna as a Jagadguru " and his relationship with Arjuna. I feel compelled to stay focussed on the discussion or topic being covered and to see how it unfolds rather than interrupting it in the middle with contributions that may not always be directly pertinent to the ongoing dialogue. Having said that, we do make contributions from time to time. Please do not see this as excuses for lack of participation. It is my understanding that the Gita as a scripture stands apart from the Mahabharata. Was your intent to start this dialogue by discussing the Mahabharata in order to set the stage for discussing Gita? Narasimhan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Dear Sri.Narasimhan, I really appreciate the views expressed by you and I am happy that this topic of Apathy has some response.As Swami Vivekananda said Arise,Awake and Stop not till the Goal is achieved unless and until the Members contribute something may be some slokas,stories,questions,doubts or such things as suggested by Veena, will not this forum becomes a dull affair as rightly pointed out by Veena that 2 or 3 same persons writing and discussing and this will definitely dampen the spirit of even these 2-3 persons as it becomes some show conducted by 2-3 persons when the real objective is to expand the forum to a considerable height.It is not necessary one shuld be well versed in the realm of spirituality as that domain is full of thorns and cant be an easy affair to tread thru.But there are umpteen other sources of interest which can be utilised as contributions such as poems of renowned or known poets praisimg the Lord,stories countless in number depicting the Leelas of the Lord which can be put in a more modulated form and there need be no hesitation whether that will be appreciated by others or not as this forum I feel is not for showing any intellectual vanity but for showing the way or leading the way to the Greatness of the LORD in an entirely different atmosphere and raise the level of mind to great heights in course.Sometimes shyness also can be one of th reasons.Absolutely there is no need for that as all the Members are not inborn prophets and all are learning only from different sources.Though some come out openly others hesitate to do so whether their views will be accepted or not.Dont bother abt those things.You hv the right to express yr views which may be palatable or not to others.The important thing required is to come out of the shell in which the Members got themselves entangled so far and make a bid to do their lot.The point is not to prove anybodys erudition or knowledge but to make the forum lively and certainly Lord of Guruvayur will show the right path in due course.Some may contribute topics that may be appreciated ,sometimes not and this need not be a stumbling block in a members contribution as nobody is perfect in his/her expression and all hv their own weak points which can be disputed.But that is not the aim.The goal is how to strengthen this forum so that all members can participate in one way or other so as to make the same a lively one.Nobody need hv the hesitation whether their contribution is inferior to others.There is nothing like that as there is no competition here and all are equal as the Lord says that both believers and non believers,both devotees and non devotees all are equal to Me, after all all contribututions are in praise of the Lord. Hence my anguish and request that all the Members must find some time to say whatever things as knowledge grows only thru dicussions.God Bless. Hare Krishna. agraman Athena Wala <athenawala wrote: Dear Mr. Raman: Your passionate sentiments towards the lack of participation by other members of the group is understood and appreciated. However, slowly but surely, I am sure that we will start contributing and participating. Afterall, we all have our own thresholds for silently reading and learning from this ongoing discussion. I have very much appreciated every string of emails received this far, and look forward to opening my emails every day in anticipation of the pearls of knowledge and spirituality that abound these discussions. I am sure this is the case for my fellow " silent " readers. So, please just keep up the dialogue and do not get de-motivated by the silence. It is too soon to divert into alternate modes for enticing participation without fully exploring the present task at hand. I am sure, the lord will make it work out. Although I cannot speak for others, I must confess that I am not so well versed in the intricacies of the relationships and dynamics between the characters in the Gita. We all are in different stages of our spiritual evolution and it is going to take some time for all of us to be " in sync " to be able to expound on these topics at length. Consider us to be the ignorant and naive, but loving " Gopas " of Vrindavan, who just loved and served the lord for the pure joy of devotion. At times, I am just speechless with joy at my good fortune for being a part of this group, and to have the opportunity to silently partake in this discussion. So, please keep up your good work. You and the others who contribute regularly are the gardners who have planted the seeds of devotion into our fertile minds, it might take sometime to sprout, but do keep watering these fertile grounds with your discussions and soon we all shall reap a bountiful harvest. Sri Krishnaaya Parabrahmane Namaha. Narasimhan Nagan GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Hare Krishna Dear Group, I wonder that except 3 or 4 ppl none of them show any real interest in any subject.Certainly it cant be due to lack of time but can only be construed as sheer disinterest and apathy.In going thru the mails I dont find much contribution from the other Group Members.Perhaps they just read and hesitate to reply.Or they may not be interested in the topics. Hence I suggest that the Group Members may be given freedom to voice their topics of interest so as to build a vibrant mood to take part in the discussions.Let them narrate their experiences and mail topics of their choice on spiritual aspect.That is the only way to build more contacts and discuss subjects of interest.All may not be interested in what is put and may have the impression that the subject matter that is put forth is beyond their reaction and so let them send their topics of interest.This may be followed by discussions of other members.This is the only alternative to build this Group a strong and dynamic one.I hv seen the members of other Groups who take lively interest in their group activities and express themselves well.Such a change must be made in this group also if at all the Group wants to lift itself up from the present state of affairs which is really pathetic.Again I stress lack of time is not the factor in this attitude but only disinterest. I hv stated what I felt and not to wound anybodys feelings but with the avowed interest of more members contributing different topics of interest for the benefit of all the Members and a drive must also be made to make more members to join the Group.I hv expressed this only with good intention and the growth of the Group in mind.Wherever a person is located it is not impossible to take part in the activities,I mean by their contribution of topics of God which will go a long way in building this Group an attractive one.It is really unfortunate that much responses are not coming from the Members as they want to be dormant members instead of active ones.Rest is left to the Members. Hare Krishna Be Merciful to all. agraman India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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