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It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept everybody to our group and our religion and allow them to take everything which we had.... This was started a long year before. We accept Missionaries of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do their jobs freely. No country other than 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the stregth of our religion. We respect all the religions and we did not denay any tipes of conversions so far. This is happend because we Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion but a " culture" . But because of this broad-mindness our culture will survive than any other culture or religion in the world. We did not need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our culture. Our life itself is our relegion.

 

But in the present time also we observed the same type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My native place is Kerala. We had some groups which studied a lot about this phenominan. For your thoughts I will submit the following inputs.

 

1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by Christian groups and Church socities within the last 10 years !!?

2. In which relegion will allow to take our offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our God to share with the Government for all the comunities. It will not

allow even in Pakistan, all the amount received in "madreasa's " were utilised by an independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan government had no

hand on it. Shall our Government can ask for the accounting of money which the Christians and Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???

3. When the "Psunami" hits the Kerala cost, the first organisation which come with help is Mata Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over the whole

re-building process and they submitted a 100 Crores project to the Governement , but they are not allowed to do so.. Why....????

The reason is that if madam was allowed to do so, there will not correption takes places more over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of doing so no other

comunitiy had will not be able to accept money from the foreign funding agencies for the name of Psunami. On the date of Government had sanctioned Madam to

take the re-contruction work of only 72 families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami' victims in Kerala and the

Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had inaugrated the first stage of process of rehabilitation of psunami

victims organised by the Charitas Mission on the next week itself.

4. We still allow the followers of "vavaru swami" in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala we went to

the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings. This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the development of their religion and the offering which we have

given to the Sabarimala has been utilised for some other purposes.......???

 

The above points are only some little thoughts for our insights...

It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal activities happening all over the world.... I am just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan which he had given to

the youths of India ----" UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA" . I think it is the High time to do so......

 

Radhe...shyam....

Subhash

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OM Namo Narayana!

 

What is it that we as individual and/or as a part of

group do to improve the situation? It would be nice if

all members think hard about this issue and see how

each of us can contribute to prevent the temples from

losing their sanctity and also to create a better

awareness among the common people about how rich our

religion is. It is possible that other religions are

able to bring about these conversions because hindus

do not completely understand what hinduism has to

offer.

 

 

--- " Subhash.T.K " <subhtk wrote:

 

> Dear friends

>

> It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its

> chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept

> everybody to our group and our religion and allow

> them to take everything which we had.... This was

> started a long year before. We accept Missionaries

> of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do

> their jobs freely. No country other than

> 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the

> stregth of our religion. We respect all the

> religions and we did not denay any tipes of

> conversions so far. This is happend because we

> Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion

> but a " culture " . But because of this

> broad-mindness our culture will survive than any

> other culture or religion in the world. We did not

> need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our

> culture. Our life itself is our relegion.

>

> But in the present time also we observed the same

> type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My

> native place is Kerala. We had some groups which

> studied a lot about this phenominan. For your

> thoughts I will submit the following inputs.

>

> 1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by

> Christian groups and Church socities within the last

> 10 years !!?

> 2. In which relegion will allow to take our

> offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our

> God to share with the Government for all the

> comunities. It will not

> allow even in Pakistan, all the amount

> received in " madreasa's " were utilised by an

> independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan

> government had no

> hand on it. Shall our Government can ask

> for the accounting of money which the Christians and

> Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???

> 3. When the " Psunami " hits the Kerala cost, the

> first organisation which come with help is Mata

> Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over

> the whole

> re-building process and they submitted a 100

> Crores project to the Governement , but they are not

> allowed to do so.. Why....????

> The reason is that if madam was allowed to

> do so, there will not correption takes places more

> over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of

> doing so no other

> comunitiy had will not be able to accept

> money from the foreign funding agencies for the name

> of Psunami. On the date of Government had

> sanctioned Madam to

> take the re-contruction work of only 72

> families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a

> proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami'

> victims in Kerala and the

> Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our

> Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had

> inaugrated the first stage of process of

> rehabilitation of psunami

> victims organised by the Charitas Mission on

> the next week itself.

> 4. We still allow the followers of " vavaru swami "

> in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and

> accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala

> we went to

> the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings.

> This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the

> development of their religion and the offering which

> we have

> given to the Sabarimala has been utilised

> for some other purposes.......???

>

> The above points are only some little thoughts for

> our insights...

> It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal

> activities happening all over the world.... I am

> just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan

> which he had given to

> the youths of India ---- " UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA " .

> I think it is the High time to do so......

>

> Radhe...shyam....

> Subhash

>

>

>

>

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> protection around

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear friends

 

It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept everybody to our group and our religion and allow them to take everything which we had.... This was started a long year before. We accept Missionaries of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do their jobs freely. No country other than 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the stregth of our religion. We respect all the religions and we did not denay any tipes of conversions so far. This is happend because we Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion but a " culture" . But because of this broad-mindness our culture will survive than any other culture or religion in the world. We did not need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our culture. Our life itself is our relegion.

 

But in the present time also we observed the same type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My native place is Kerala. We had some groups which studied a lot about this phenominan. For your thoughts I will submit the following inputs.

 

1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by Christian groups and Church socities within the last 10 years !!?

2. In which relegion will allow to take our offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our God to share with the Government for all the comunities. It will not

allow even in Pakistan, all the amount received in "madreasa's " were utilised by an independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan government had no

hand on it. Shall our Government can ask for the accounting of money which the Christians and Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???

3. When the "Psunami" hits the Kerala cost, the first organisation which come with help is Mata Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over the whole

re-building process and they submitted a 100 Crores project to the Governement , but they are not allowed to do so.. Why....????

The reason is that if madam was allowed to do so, there will not correption takes places more over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of doing so no other

comunitiy had will not be able to accept money from the foreign funding agencies for the name of Psunami. On the date of Government had sanctioned Madam to

take the re-contruction work of only 72 families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami' victims in Kerala and the

Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had inaugrated the first stage of process of rehabilitation of psunami

victims organised by the Charitas Mission on the next week itself.

4. We still allow the followers of "vavaru swami" in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala we went to

the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings. This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the development of their religion and the offering which we have

given to the Sabarimala has been utilised for some other purposes.......???

 

The above points are only some little thoughts for our insights...

It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal activities happening all over the world.... I am just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan which he had given to

the youths of India ----" UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA" . I think it is the High time to do so......

 

Radhe...shyam....

Subhash

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Liberate Temples – Demands Online Petition

 

------------------------Liberate Temples – Demands Online PetitionIt is an unusual petition to the President of India APJ Abdul Kalamfrom Hindus spread across India and the whole world. The demand is to leave the Hindu places of worship to the Hindu community alone. That the secular governments withdraw from their administration, as is donein the case of Christian and Muslim places of worship. The petition,put up by an internet group `haindava keralam' haindava_keralam/ with support of Shree Vidyadhiraja Vikasa Kendram inThiruvananthapuram is already signed by more than 1600 people fromacross the world. This includes non-Hindus as well, who feel this a gross

injustice.The Petitioners also demand that all the places of worship be takenover by the government otherwise, Muslim, Christian, that there isjustice. Presumably triggered by the recent controversies over the utilization of temple funds at the famous Guruvayoor temple in Keralathe Petition has generated lot of interest in the people cuttingacross states and regions. Problems at Sabarimala temple and theTirupati temple in Andhra Pradesh are also listed as in need of intervention. The Tirupati temple is also in the news for all thewrong reasons after the new Congress lead government took over.Interestingly the two states are having non- Hindu Chief Ministers, assome of the signatories point out. The petition has brought out a diaspora of NRIs and the Hindu community spread over the world.Apart from entrusting the administration of temples to those appointedby secular governments the revenue generated at the temples,

thepetition alleges, is taken for non-Hindu purposes in most places like Tirupati, Sabarimala and Guruvayoor. What is impossible in the case ofthe other communities. Since the other communities also get hugeamounts as international aid this becomes a double handicap for theHindu segment it adds. A major part of the donations received at the Tirupati Tirumala Devastanam (TTD) in AP routinely goes to the stateexchequer as is the large amounts collected at the Sabarimala hilltemple in Kerala. Recently there was a controversy over the governmentof Kerala diverting the revenues of the Lord Krishna temple at Guruvayoor for building sewerage systems. This was opposed by thelocal people and the Cochin Devaswom Board, under government ofKerala, which runs the administration had to face a Court Case. Thedecision of the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh to give temple related work to members of the Christian community had also

createddissent in the state.The petition, created by the online group `haindava keralam' hosted atthe portal www.petitionsonline.com (accessible at http://www.petitiononline.com/41207/petition.html )calls it an aberration in the secular policy of the government of India. The large number of people who have signed the petition callsit unfortunate that the Hindu community has to suffer discriminationin India itself. While some call it a folly initiated during theregime of Jawaharlal Nehru when secularism came to mean being anti-Hindu others found it an irony that the Hindu nationalistgovernment under the NDA did nothing to change the anomaly.

There arealso few supporters for the cause from western countries who feel thatthe continuity of the Sanatana Dharma is a need of the world itself. That Government of India corrects its policy with regard to Hindutemples. Some comments allege that there is rampant corruption ingetting appointed to the posts in the Devaswom Board in Kerala, bodymanaging temple affairs under the state government. Where the money goes to non-Hindu leaders.The petitioners fear that it is time this old mistake is made good asit can lead to communal polarization and turmoil. It was during theBritish colonial period that the community owned places of worship were taken over which continued to be run by the government even afterindependence. Being under the government there is no guarantee thatthe administrators at the higher levels are from the Hindu faith.There are also gross violations of ethics where the government, already taking the

revenues, ask money from the temples as price ofland. Thus in Sabarimala the Ministry of Environment and Forestsdemanded Rs. 6 crores from the Travancore Devaswom Board, apex body incharge of temples, for 50 ha. of forest land badly needed for pilgrim facilities. That despite Sabarimala generating huge revenues for thestate for the last several decades.It may be noted that there is an ongoing debate over the allocation offorest lands to Sabarimala and the latest reports tell that the forest lands shall not be transferred to the temple despite the payment.Which puts conditions on its use. It is an irony as the forest hillssurrounding this temple, known as the `Poonkavanam', belonged to thetemple in pre-British times. Temples in Kerala were taken over by Gen. Watts and Col. Munro, British Residents, in the early days of Britishcolonization. They also made changes in the temple rituals andmanagement. What continues to this day

unquestioned. The petitionerswant that the management of the temples be left to the Hindus, handed over to the community kept and under the guidance of competent Hindusaints.This will ensure that the revenues generated are pooled in to theneeds of the deserving in the Hindu community and not frittered away for various purposes. That way various Hindu places of worship now inturmoil shall be benefited and also the poor among the community. Itwill also help arrest the rampant conversions of the poor Hindus toChristianity lured by the moneyed missionaries. The petitioners allege that faith and trade were used to subjugate as history tells and fearsthat the same thing will repeat in India. They underline the urgentneed for having a country wide uniform code for administration oftemples managed by the Hindu community, where the government does not interfere. It is a novel form of protest and seems to have generated alot of

curiosity among the people, though whether the President willsee it at all is a matter of speculation. As some experts tell thepost-colonial protocols at the Rashtrapathi Bhavan may hardly give space to this kind of representations.

 

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberate-temples-demands-online.htmlSunita ramanthan <rsunitaa wrote:

OM Namo Narayana!What is it that we as individual and/or as a part ofgroup do to improve the situation? It would be nice ifall members think hard about this issue and see howeach of us can contribute to prevent the temples fromlosing their sanctity and also to create a betterawareness among the common people about how rich ourreligion is. It is possible that other religions areable to bring about these conversions because hindusdo not completely understand what hinduism has tooffer. --- "Subhash.T.K" <subhtk wrote:> Dear friends> > It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its> chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept> everybody to our group and our religion and allow> them to take everything which we had.... This was> started a

long year before. We accept Missionaries> of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do> their jobs freely. No country other than> 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the> stregth of our religion. We respect all the> religions and we did not denay any tipes of> conversions so far. This is happend because we > Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion> but a " culture" . But because of this> broad-mindness our culture will survive than any> other culture or religion in the world. We did not> need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our> culture. Our life itself is our relegion. > > But in the present time also we observed the same> type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My> native place is Kerala. We had some groups which> studied a lot about this

phenominan. For your> thoughts I will submit the following inputs. > > 1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by> Christian groups and Church socities within the last> 10 years !!?> 2. In which relegion will allow to take our> offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our> God to share with the Government for all the> comunities. It will not > allow even in Pakistan, all the amount> received in "madreasa's " were utilised by an> independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan> government had no > hand on it. Shall our Government can ask> for the accounting of money which the Christians and> Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???>

3. When the "Psunami" hits the Kerala cost, the> first organisation which come with help is Mata> Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over> the whole> re-building process and they submitted a 100> Crores project to the Governement , but they are not> allowed to do so.. Why....????> The reason is that if madam was allowed to> do so, there will not correption takes places more> over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of> doing so no other > comunitiy had will not be able to accept> money from the foreign funding agencies for the name> of Psunami. On the date of Government had> sanctioned Madam to> take the re-contruction work of

only 72> families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a> proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami'> victims in Kerala and the> Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our> Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had> inaugrated the first stage of process of> rehabilitation of psunami > victims organised by the Charitas Mission on> the next week itself. > 4. We still allow the followers of "vavaru swami"> in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and> accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala> we went to > the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings.> This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the> development of their religion and the offering which> we have

> given to the Sabarimala has been utilised> for some other purposes.......??? > > The above points are only some little thoughts for> our insights... > It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal> activities happening all over the world.... I am> just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan> which he had given to > the youths of India ----" UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA" . > I think it is the High time to do so......> > Radhe...shyam....> Subhash> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around >

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It is the time (if not late) that we Hindus should unite and do something to stop these Christian and Muslim aggression which is being carried out with the blessing of our Italian leader Sonia. In Guruvayoor, near the temple itself a lot of shops and hotels are owned by Christains and Muslims. We should identify theseestablishments and boycott them as begining.

 

Our Lord Krishna said

 

PARITRAANAAYA SADHOONAAM VINAASAAYA CHA DUSHKRITAAM

DHARMA SAMSTTHAAPANAARTTHAAYA SAMBHAVAAMI YUGE YUGE

 

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Liberate Temples – Demands Online Petition

 

------------------------Liberate Temples – Demands Online PetitionIt is an unusual petition to the President of India APJ Abdul Kalamfrom Hindus spread across India and the whole world. The demand is to leave the Hindu places of worship to the Hindu community alone. That the secular governments withdraw from their administration, as is donein the case of Christian and Muslim places of worship. The petition,put up by an internet group `haindava keralam' haindava_keralam/ with support of Shree Vidyadhiraja Vikasa Kendram inThiruvananthapuram is already signed by more than 1600 people fromacross the world. This includes non-Hindus as well, who feel this a gross

injustice.The Petitioners also demand that all the places of worship be takenover by the government otherwise, Muslim, Christian, that there isjustice. Presumably triggered by the recent controversies over the utilization of temple funds at the famous Guruvayoor temple in Keralathe Petition has generated lot of interest in the people cuttingacross states and regions. Problems at Sabarimala temple and theTirupati temple in Andhra Pradesh are also listed as in need of intervention. The Tirupati temple is also in the news for all thewrong reasons after the new Congress lead government took over.Interestingly the two states are having non- Hindu Chief Ministers, assome of the signatories point out. The petition has brought out a diaspora of NRIs and the Hindu community spread over the world.Apart from entrusting the administration of temples to those appointedby secular governments the revenue generated at the temples,

thepetition alleges, is taken for non-Hindu purposes in most places like Tirupati, Sabarimala and Guruvayoor. What is impossible in the case ofthe other communities. Since the other communities also get hugeamounts as international aid this becomes a double handicap for theHindu segment it adds. A major part of the donations received at the Tirupati Tirumala Devastanam (TTD) in AP routinely goes to the stateexchequer as is the large amounts collected at the Sabarimala hilltemple in Kerala. Recently there was a controversy over the governmentof Kerala diverting the revenues of the Lord Krishna temple at Guruvayoor for building sewerage systems. This was opposed by thelocal people and the Cochin Devaswom Board, under government ofKerala, which runs the administration had to face a Court Case. Thedecision of the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh to give temple related work to members of the Christian community had also

createddissent in the state.The petition, created by the online group `haindava keralam' hosted atthe portal www.petitionsonline.com (accessible at http://www.petitiononline.com/41207/petition.html )calls it an aberration in the secular policy of the government of India. The large number of people who have signed the petition callsit unfortunate that the Hindu community has to suffer discriminationin India itself. While some call it a folly initiated during theregime of Jawaharlal Nehru when secularism came to mean being anti-Hindu others found it an irony that the Hindu nationalistgovernment under the NDA did nothing to change the anomaly.

There arealso few supporters for the cause from western countries who feel thatthe continuity of the Sanatana Dharma is a need of the world itself. That Government of India corrects its policy with regard to Hindutemples. Some comments allege that there is rampant corruption ingetting appointed to the posts in the Devaswom Board in Kerala, bodymanaging temple affairs under the state government. Where the money goes to non-Hindu leaders.The petitioners fear that it is time this old mistake is made good asit can lead to communal polarization and turmoil. It was during theBritish colonial period that the community owned places of worship were taken over which continued to be run by the government even afterindependence. Being under the government there is no guarantee thatthe administrators at the higher levels are from the Hindu faith.There are also gross violations of ethics where the government, already taking the

revenues, ask money from the temples as price ofland. Thus in Sabarimala the Ministry of Environment and Forestsdemanded Rs. 6 crores from the Travancore Devaswom Board, apex body incharge of temples, for 50 ha. of forest land badly needed for pilgrim facilities. That despite Sabarimala generating huge revenues for thestate for the last several decades.It may be noted that there is an ongoing debate over the allocation offorest lands to Sabarimala and the latest reports tell that the forest lands shall not be transferred to the temple despite the payment.Which puts conditions on its use. It is an irony as the forest hillssurrounding this temple, known as the `Poonkavanam', belonged to thetemple in pre-British times. Temples in Kerala were taken over by Gen. Watts and Col. Munro, British Residents, in the early days of Britishcolonization. They also made changes in the temple rituals andmanagement. What continues to this day

unquestioned. The petitionerswant that the management of the temples be left to the Hindus, handed over to the community kept and under the guidance of competent Hindusaints.This will ensure that the revenues generated are pooled in to theneeds of the deserving in the Hindu community and not frittered away for various purposes. That way various Hindu places of worship now inturmoil shall be benefited and also the poor among the community. Itwill also help arrest the rampant conversions of the poor Hindus toChristianity lured by the moneyed missionaries. The petitioners allege that faith and trade were used to subjugate as history tells and fearsthat the same thing will repeat in India. They underline the urgentneed for having a country wide uniform code for administration oftemples managed by the Hindu community, where the government does not interfere. It is a novel form of protest and seems to have generated alot of

curiosity among the people, though whether the President willsee it at all is a matter of speculation. As some experts tell thepost-colonial protocols at the Rashtrapathi Bhavan may hardly give space to this kind of representations.

 

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2005/07/liberate-temples-demands-online.htmlSunita ramanthan <rsunitaa wrote:

OM Namo Narayana!What is it that we as individual and/or as a part ofgroup do to improve the situation? It would be nice ifall members think hard about this issue and see howeach of us can contribute to prevent the temples fromlosing their sanctity and also to create a betterawareness among the common people about how rich ourreligion is. It is possible that other religions areable to bring about these conversions because hindusdo not completely understand what hinduism has tooffer. --- "Subhash.T.K" <subhtk wrote:> Dear friends> > It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its> chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept> everybody to our group and our religion and allow> them to take everything which we had.... This was> started a

long year before. We accept Missionaries> of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do> their jobs freely. No country other than> 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the> stregth of our religion. We respect all the> religions and we did not denay any tipes of> conversions so far. This is happend because we > Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion> but a " culture" . But because of this> broad-mindness our culture will survive than any> other culture or religion in the world. We did not> need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our> culture. Our life itself is our relegion. > > But in the present time also we observed the same> type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My> native place is Kerala. We had some groups which> studied a lot about this

phenominan. For your> thoughts I will submit the following inputs. > > 1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by> Christian groups and Church socities within the last> 10 years !!?> 2. In which relegion will allow to take our> offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our> God to share with the Government for all the> comunities. It will not > allow even in Pakistan, all the amount> received in "madreasa's " were utilised by an> independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan> government had no > hand on it. Shall our Government can ask> for the accounting of money which the Christians and> Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???>

3. When the "Psunami" hits the Kerala cost, the> first organisation which come with help is Mata> Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over> the whole> re-building process and they submitted a 100> Crores project to the Governement , but they are not> allowed to do so.. Why....????> The reason is that if madam was allowed to> do so, there will not correption takes places more> over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of> doing so no other > comunitiy had will not be able to accept> money from the foreign funding agencies for the name> of Psunami. On the date of Government had> sanctioned Madam to> take the re-contruction work of

only 72> families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a> proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami'> victims in Kerala and the> Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our> Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had> inaugrated the first stage of process of> rehabilitation of psunami > victims organised by the Charitas Mission on> the next week itself. > 4. We still allow the followers of "vavaru swami"> in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and> accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala> we went to > the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings.> This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the> development of their religion and the offering which> we have

> given to the Sabarimala has been utilised> for some other purposes.......??? > > The above points are only some little thoughts for> our insights... > It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal> activities happening all over the world.... I am> just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan> which he had given to > the youths of India ----" UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA" . > I think it is the High time to do so......> > Radhe...shyam....> Subhash> > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam> protection around >

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Om Namo Narayana

 

In a multi religious democratic society, as in India, where a huge number of people are illiterate and live below the subsistence level, issues such as the one being discussed are bound to happen. We need not look at it purely from a political or religious angle.

 

I feel most of the conversions in India, if not all, take place among weaker sections. This points out that people go for conversions for financial reasons rather than religious reasons – and if we go deep we will find that these people are totally ignorant about any religion at all. In India, we have been addressing conversion as a purley religious issue, and I feel, this is one reason why people do not try to understand the implications of conversion.

 

I feel the society at large should should try to analyse the exact reasons for religious conversions and then address the findings in an appropriate manner so that people going for conversions for other than religious reasons can be stopped.

 

It will be interesting to know the views of other group members.

Hari Om

 

 

ARUN <haavoo wrote:

 

 

Is Kerala’s Hindu body politik truly pulsating, or, is it contrived by forces inimical to its rightful existence? Are the gruesome incidents in Marad and Nadapuram accidental aberrations, or, are they the result of sinister, masqueraded invasions? Who are the real victims of these charades? What can they do to pre-empt more of such catastrophes? Are the Hindus of Kerala cognizant of dangers imminent? Do they realize the urgent need to transcend obsolete notions of caste and creed, and aspire to unite under Hindu nationalism? These and more such compelling questions now confound the abused numerical Hindu majority of Kerala today. And here, in this forum, we empathize with one another and, together, we think and act for a better and prosperous tomorrow. Please come, join us………

haindava_keralam/ or send email to haindava_keralam- if you wish to join..Arun"Subhash.T.K" <subhtk wrote:

 

Dear friends

 

It is a Very shocking news and it is having all its chance to happen. Because we are Hidus will accept everybody to our group and our religion and allow them to take everything which we had.... This was started a long year before. We accept Missionaries of Christian & Muslim to come over India and do their jobs freely. No country other than 'BHARATHAM' will allow to do so. But that is the stregth of our religion. We respect all the religions and we did not denay any tipes of conversions so far. This is happend because we Hindu's are still not in the group of a relegion but a " culture" . But because of this broad-mindness our culture will survive than any other culture or religion in the world. We did not need any modern sophesticated equipments to run our culture. Our life itself is our relegion.

 

But in the present time also we observed the same type of colonialisam in our daily life too. My native place is Kerala. We had some groups which studied a lot about this phenominan. For your thoughts I will submit the following inputs.

 

1. 70 % of Kerala boarder land was occupaied by Christian groups and Church socities within the last 10 years !!?

2. In which relegion will allow to take our offerings (kanikka) which we have submitted to our God to share with the Government for all the comunities. It will not

allow even in Pakistan, all the amount received in "madreasa's " were utilised by an independant body for each madrasa and the Pakistan government had no

hand on it. Shall our Government can ask for the accounting of money which the Christians and Muslims are reiceived in their holi places ..???

3. When the "Psunami" hits the Kerala cost, the first organisation which come with help is Mata Amruthanada mai madam. They are ready to take over the whole

re-building process and they submitted a 100 Crores project to the Governement , but they are not allowed to do so.. Why....????

The reason is that if madam was allowed to do so, there will not correption takes places more over if Madam is taking all the responsibility of doing so no other

comunitiy had will not be able to accept money from the foreign funding agencies for the name of Psunami. On the date of Government had sanctioned Madam to

take the re-contruction work of only 72 families , the Charitan Mission had come up with a proposal for the rehabilitation of the 'psunami' victims in Kerala and the

Estimated project Cost was 50 Crore. Our Honarable chief Minister Mr. OOmman Chandi had inaugrated the first stage of process of rehabilitation of psunami

victims organised by the Charitas Mission on the next week itself.

4. We still allow the followers of "vavaru swami" in Sabarimala to bless our Sabarimala Pilgirims and accept their offerings. Before we go to Sabarimala we went to

the mosque of Vavar and give the offerings. This money is utilsed by the Muslim Comunity for the development of their religion and the offering which we have

given to the Sabarimala has been utilised for some other purposes.......???

 

The above points are only some little thoughts for our insights...

It is high time to make voice aginst this brutal activities happening all over the world.... I am just remembering one word of Sri Swami Vivekandan which he had given to

the youths of India ----" UDHISTATHA JAAGRATHA" . I think it is the High time to do so......

 

Radhe...shyam....

Subhash

 

 

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