RE: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Bhagavan Sree Krishnan

June 7, 2006

!! Sri Rama Jayam !!

Dear Shri Gopi,

I appreciate your concern regarding the naming convention. But, that's the

disadvantage of English ( & not the person) that there is no perfect term to

define " Bhagawan " as appeared in sanskrit. I hope 'Lord' is the best term to get

a minimum feeling of the greatness of 'Bhagawan' when we use English.

Now, addressing the judge as 'Lord' inside a court is a very different theme.

That is a mandatory law which if not practised is punishable. Judge's lordship

declines immediately outside the court & after his term, which is never at all

applicable to our Krishna. There is no fear of punishment if Krishna be not

addressed as 'Lord' even. He is the core of the devotee kingdom. Hence,

comparing Krishna's Lordship to any mortal person is absolutely not of any

worth.

I appreciate your high respect towards the holy names, & hence I request you not

to perturbed by such usages. This is only for communication purpose & we all use

the best possible terms per our limited knowledge.

Hare Krishna

Hare Rama

guruvayur [guruvayur ]On Behalf Of

Melethil Gopinath Ariyannoor

Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:24 AM

guruvayur

[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Bhagavan Sree Krishnan

Dear devotees,

I would like to request you all to mention Bhagavan Sree Krishna's

thirunamangal in very clear manner in the messages you wrote.

Please do not write as Lord Krishna or L.Krishna. I Understand that

as he is the one greatest Moorthybhava of Love, Sree

Gurupavanapuresan Unnikkannan Sree Guruvayoorappan will not be

angree about that and he will enjoy it also as it shows your

closeness to him.

But, when others read this titles they will misunderstand, as the

message threads will be available for so many years... our kids will

feel that calling the Bhagvan as Lord is the correct.

I hope the meaning of " BHAGAWAN " is not same as Lord. This word Lord

is suits in many places, a judge too can be addressed as Lord.. but

in our language the word " Bhagawan " is used as the title of sacred

gurus only otherthan our Devathas.... ( if my views are wrong please

correct me...)

Because of our tendancy to utilize the english words, we should not

avoid our valuable titles of our one and only Unnikkannan.

In addition, when ever you Quote from the holy scriptures like

Srimad Bhagavadam and Sri Bhagavath Geetha try to write the tiltles

of the books fully in clear..

I request you all to be careful on this simple things..

The views whatever we bring up here are watched by so many silent

viewers, Youths should understand our valuable things in the

valuable language.

The language english adopts all the noble words from other language

to make itself in the best level, but why it adopts, because of lack

of meaningful words..

In this present situation, we are helpless and we cant avoid this

language as it become the international language. But atleast we can

avoid some of the words to give more value for our Bhagawan

Unnikrishnan.

Hope you all understand my concern.

Krishna Krishna Mugundha Janardana

Krishna Govinda Narayana Hare

Achuthananda Govinda Madava

Sachidananda Narayana Hare

Krishnarpanam....

June 7, 2006

Dear all,

Unnikrishnan is the most loveable form of Lord Srikrishna and is

enshrined in that form at the temple of Guruvayoor. He is identical with

the Nishkala-brahman as propounded by Bhattatiri in the very first

slokam of Narayaneeyam. Of course, Bhattatiri always picturised Him as

" Madana-gopala-murthy " , the object of supreme love of the Gopikas. Sri

Krishna (Mahavishnu) alone is, according to Vishnu-puranam, Bhagavatam

and Narayaneeyam for the title of " Bhagavan " , although the terminology

of " Bhagavan " has come into common usage and all gods, including

Saniswara are referred to as " Bhagavan " .

The reason for Lord Mahavishnu for getting this entitlement is described

in Vishnu-puranam and Narayaneeyam as follows:

*_His Godliness _**__**_ " Aiswaryam " , the state of being

" Iswara " _**__**__* (the Supreme Power), that has been responsible for

allocating different portfolios to other Gods like Brahma, Sankara, etc.

Brahma is the Creator and Lord Sankara is the destroyer as per His

command. In other words, He is the Supreme Commander and other Gods are

but His subordinates. Therefore, His Godliness has the highest authority

and is complete in all respects.

*__**__**_His " Veeryam " (might, prowess, or heroic lustre)_* surpasses

every other God's. Before Lord Vishnu's lustre, the lustre of other gods

is like that of a firefly in the presence of a thousand suns.

*__**__**__**_His " Yasas " (fame, glory, reputation)_* is incomparable to

others' in view of the fact that it is as snow-white and transparent as

/Suddha-Sattvam/ by which He is made of. His divine qualities and

actions are so flawless that His glory is equally clean and even

superior to that of other Gods like Brahma and Sankara who are

embodiments of the /Rajo-/ and /Tamo-gunas/ respectively. Bhag:

III-12/28 says. (Brahma, the self-born, fell in love with his own

daughter, Vak, who was most beautiful and captivating). Such and many

other negative traits could be pointed out in respect of the other Gods.

But Lord Vishnu's pristine pure glory is indeed flawless and is being

sung without exaggeration by one and all, including those yogis who are

totally detached and have nothing material to gain, being prompted only

by His divine and noble qualities.

*__**__**_His " Sree " (Beauty, affluence, auspiciousness)_* His Consort,

Goddess Lakshmi, whose name is synonymous with " Sree " * *and who is

normally associated with unsteadiness, has made her abode in His bosom,

thereby rendering Him, the real abode of her virtues too!

*__**__**_His Jnanam (knowledge)_* is far superior to all other Gods’.

He is omniscient, in the know of everything. The very fact that the

other Gods are not fully aware of what He is and He is fully aware of

what they are, goes to prove the point that His knowledge is far

superior to that of all others.

*_His " Vairagyam " _**_(renunciation, detachment, dispassion)-_** * In

this trait, Heis peerless. Totally detached in His creative activity,

there is absolutely no talk about His having any special relationships

or worldly ties with anyone.

It is, therefore, rightly said by Sage Parasara while expounding the

meaning of the name ‘/Vaasudeva/’ and the title of “/Bhagavan/” for the

Lord, as given in Vishnu Puranam, " Aiswaryasya samagrasya veeryasya

yasasah sriyah, Jnana-vairagyayoschaiva, shannam Bhaga itheerana " : V.P.

VI-5/74.[1] <#_ftn1> (The disyllabic ‘/bhaga/’ indicates the six

properties---dominion, might, glory, splendour, wisdom and dispassion.)

Therefore, Lord Vishnu, in view of satisfying all the six qualities

stated above, namely, 1.Aiswaryam " , (/Aiswaryam/ or Godliness,

dominion), 2. /Veeryam/ or prowess, might 3. /Yasas/ or Glory , 4.

/Sree/, or Beauty, affluence, auspiciousness, splendour), 5./Jnanam/ or

Knowledge, wisdom and 6. /Vairagyam/ or renunciation, dispassion), all

these qualities collectively called " /Bhaga// " /, the only God qualifying

to be referred to as /Bhagavan/.’ ”

In practice, the term " /Bhagavan/ " is commonly used in connection with

most of the Gods, irrespective of whether they qualify fully or not.

Although not technically correct, it has come into common usage. At the

same time, there must be someone fully and unreservedly entitled for the

same. That is Lord Vishnu and Vishnu alone.

[1] <#_ftnref1> *_Explanation of the term ‘Bhagavan’_*: That which is

imperceptible, undecaying, inconceivable, unborn, inexhaustible,

indestructible; which has neither form, no hands, nor feet, which is

almighty, omnipresent, eternal; the cause of all things, and without

cause, permeating all, itself unpenetrated, and from which all things

proceed, that is the object the wise behold, that is, Brahman, that is

the Supreme State, that is the thing spoken of by the Vedas, the

infinitely subtle, supreme condition of Vishnu. That Essence of the

Supreme is defined by the term ‘Bhagavat’; the word ‘Bhagavat’ is the

denotation of that primeval and eternal God; and he, who fully

understands the meaning of that expression is possessed of holy wisdom,

the sum and substance of the three Vedas. The word ‘Bhagavat’ is a

convenient form to be used in the adoration of that Supreme Being, to

whom no term is applicable; and therefore Bhagavat expresses that

Supreme Spirit which is individual, almighty, and the cause of causes of

all things. The syllable ‘Bha’ implies the cherisher and supporter of

the Universe. By ‘ga’, is understood the leader, impeller or creator.

The disyllabic ‘bhaga’ indicates the six properties---dominion, might,

glory, splendour, wisdom and dispassion. The purport of the syllable

‘va’ is that elemental spirit in which all beings exist, and which

exists in all beings. And thus, this great word ‘Bhagavan’ is the name

of Vaasudeva, who is one with the Supreme Brahman, and of no one else.

This word therefore, which is the general denomination of an adorable

object, is not used in reference to the supreme in a general

signification, but a special one. When applied to any other thing or

person, it is used in its customary and general import. In the latter

case, it may purport one who knows the origin and end and revolutions of

beings and what is wisdom, and what is ignorance. In the former, it

denotes wisdom, energy, power, domination, might, glory, without end,

and without defect.”: Translation of Slokas 66-79 Vishnu Puranam Book

VI, chapter.5 by Swami Tyagisananda, pp.167 & 168 vide “Aphorisms on The

Gospel of Divine Love” (Narada Bhakti Sutras), Ramakrishna Math

publication, 1983 edition.

(Please do not mistake this commentary on the last slokam of dasakam 1

of Narayaneeyam as an attempt to decry other Gods, but every Puranam,

including Vishnu Puranam (all written by the same author Veda Vyasa),

tries to elevate that particular God abover other Gods to enhance the

devotion of the particular god's ardent devotees.)

Regards

K.V. Gopalakrishna, webmaster www.narayaneeyam.com

Melethil Gopinath Ariyannoor wrote:

>Dear devotees,

>

>I would like to request you all to mention Bhagavan Sree Krishna's

>thirunamangal in very clear manner in the messages you wrote.

>

>Please do not write as Lord Krishna or L.Krishna. I Understand that

>as he is the one greatest Moorthybhava of Love, Sree

>Gurupavanapuresan Unnikkannan Sree Guruvayoorappan will not be

>angree about that and he will enjoy it also as it shows your

>closeness to him.

>

>But, when others read this titles they will misunderstand, as the

>message threads will be available for so many years... our kids will

>feel that calling the Bhagvan as Lord is the correct.

>

>I hope the meaning of " BHAGAWAN " is not same as Lord. This word Lord

>is suits in many places, a judge too can be addressed as Lord.. but

>in our language the word " Bhagawan " is used as the title of sacred

>gurus only otherthan our Devathas.... ( if my views are wrong please

>correct me...)

>

>Because of our tendancy to utilize the english words, we should not

>avoid our valuable titles of our one and only Unnikkannan.

>

>In addition, when ever you Quote from the holy scriptures like

>Srimad Bhagavadam and Sri Bhagavath Geetha try to write the tiltles

>of the books fully in clear..

>

>I request you all to be careful on this simple things..

>

>The views whatever we bring up here are watched by so many silent

>viewers, Youths should understand our valuable things in the

>valuable language.

>

>The language english adopts all the noble words from other language

>to make itself in the best level, but why it adopts, because of lack

>of meaningful words..

>

>In this present situation, we are helpless and we cant avoid this

>language as it become the international language. But atleast we can

>avoid some of the words to give more value for our Bhagawan

>Unnikrishnan.

>

>Hope you all understand my concern.

>

>Krishna Krishna Mugundha Janardana

>Krishna Govinda Narayana Hare

>Achuthananda Govinda Madava

>Sachidananda Narayana Hare

>

>Krishnarpanam....

>

June 7, 2006

Gopi Dear,

Point taken positvely.

Hare Krishna

Abhilash

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