[Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Caste or dress of devotees-Final

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Om namo narayana:

 

Dear All,

 

It is surprising this discussion still going.

Let us stop this by understanding few points as given below:.

 

Sri Mohan nair was quoting:

Sri Guruvayoorappan has no objection: How do we know that Sri Guruvayoorappan

has no objection if somebody doing something against his wish. For example: In

my office, In front of me, there are two chairs for the visitors. If one of

the client comes and sit on it before I give permission or without respecting, I

will keep quiet, but that doesn't mean I like his behaviour, it is because of I

need him. Same way, we understand our Lord always there pardon the mistakes of

his beloved devotees. Show your greatness by obeying rules and regulations of

the Temple.

 

Issue of Religion: Sri Vayalar Ravi(MP) has married to Smt Merci, a Christian

woman. Their son got married in Guruvayoor Temple (There are some issues after,

just ignore that). It is a clear example that there is no such restrictions

remaining in Guruvayoor. There are some christians doing " Choronu " for their

Children in Guruvayur. But it is very secret because some of the churches

against it and afraid of their action. It will continue as it is and it will

not affect our belief instead you can be proud that they are accepting our

belief.

 

Permission to all: If you change the present set up, it will become a tourist

spot. This will affect the entire set up there. At present, the temple and its

surroundings keeps purity. When we consider this factor, you must think many

aspects are correlated to it. A hindu maintains the vegetarinism atleast when he

goes to the temple. He tries to keep his surroundings clean and tidy

(Exceptions are there) and so on. All these will be changed suddenly. Moreover,

nobody has clear idea about when the present system is started. Let us leave

this matter to Temple authority to consider how and what changes they have to

make since the decision should pass through a " Devapreshnam " .

 

We can understand the feelings of our group members. Each and every member

wants to be dear to God and trying to do their best for our Bhagawan. There are

lots of conversions going on and it is not started today or yesterday. Sri

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had faced such a crucial point at the end of eighteenth

Century from Christians and Islam. He constructed a defending wall by his hard

belief. He delegated Naren (Swami Vivekananda) to teach the people messages of

God (Bhagawat Gita) and First time in the history of hinduism spread out of

India. He was the first and last person from India who had made tremendous

speech in the Chicago Religios Parliament. We must adopt his way of teaching.

Hindus are being confused very easily because of their ignorance in the vedas

and puranas. There is no " Sandhyanamam " in most of the houses now a days. There

is no proper guidance to the children and youth in our " Ism " . There are many

organisations who are doing best for the

communicty in the country and outside country, but their efforts limited in a

small percentage.

 

Talk about GITA, talk about our Bhagawan Sri Krishna where ever you can.

Spread Gita every where. Let everyone to understand the messages of Bhagawan

Shri Krishna. You will be very dear to Sri Guruvayoorappan.

 

Krishna ....Guruvayoorappa..

 

Murali.

 

 

 

 

Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran wrote:

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

 

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

 

Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

http://temples18.blogspot.com/

 

Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are the

head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna deities

in the world. They are the most down to earth and

amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this world.

Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

befitting manner. They are a great example and great

inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of their

life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for the

deities, stitching newer and better clothes for Radha

Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a feeling

very humble and unqualified.

 

To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

 

Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if bhakti

of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to be

distributed.

 

If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

just read the gita:

 

18.67

This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

18.68

For one who explains the supreme secret to the

devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the

end he will come back to Me.

18.69

There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than

he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

 

" Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

been already proved.

 

All said and done, don't forget the metal detector and

armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

feet are still grounded in reality.

 

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama

Rama Rama Hare Hare

Abhilash

 

--- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

 

> Hello,

> I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> allowed in.

> Only those and those who are devotees of

> GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As temple

> is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> time.

> If a non belevier can go into he will entering into

> the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> How

> can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

>

> He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> temple even.

>

> Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> eliminated by his own poeple.

> So let it continue and there is no need to be

> allowed.

> OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> Unni

>

> --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

>

> > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > protector and preserver of all universe.

> >

> > Let all the beings understand the truth and

> leave

> > all false man made books and find the truth from

> our

> > Parthasarathi's own words from the great " Bhagawat

> > Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony

> of

> > love in this world.

> >

> > We hindus already compromised more than enough..

> > No need for more compromise to show our greatness.

> >

> > Being polite and great our temples of Sri

> Krishna

> > demolished by Pakistanis.

> > Abhi knows well that how much our

> Krishnabhakthas

> > of ISKCON are troubledvaround the world.

> >

> > They have a agenda to misuse our tenderness...

> Be

> > careful before you adopt others.

> >

> > All are not parsis, who minkled like the water

> in

> > the milk. Others being born in India, they are

> > entertaining their minds against India, see a

> > hydrabadhi gave Fatwa against " Vandemataram " ....

> be

> > in present world my dears....

> >

> > You will die, but let your kids be safe in their

> > own land. Be constructive.

> >

> > Let Srikrishna save us from all the evil powers

> > which cause problems in his devotee's minds.

> >

> >

> >

> > LET US STOP THIS.

> >

> > And i would like to request you all

> >

> > Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> > wrote:

> > Dear Sri Unnikrishnan,

> > Not to sound offensive in any way.

> >

> > Hindus can go to church and Mosques, if we have

> the

> > faith. But why is that we prevent people who have

> > faith in Guruvayoorappan to come over to our

> temple.

> > Aren't we being cruel here both to Guruvayoorappan

> > and

> > his devotees, too. Guruvayoorappan likes the

> company

> > of his devotees as much as the devotees enjoy the

> > company of Guruvayoorappan.

> >

> > There is no need to prevent anyone from

> approaching

> > Guruvayoorappan. If Bhagavan is everywhere, He is

> in

> > the temple, also. If devotees can see Him

> > everywhere,

> > such a devotee should be welcomed to the temple as

> > well.

> >

> > Not that this arguments among us will make any

> > difference in the governing or mind-set of temple

> > authorities. But, the stereo-type thinking of the

> > temple authorities should change.

> >

> > I would even go to the extend to say that any

> > devotee,

> > irrespective of caste/creed

> > (nampoodiri/nair/ezhava/pulaya/european/american)

> > should be made the poojari, if he has the right

> > knowledge and interest. Such time will also come.

>

> >

> > Namo Narayana

> > Abhilash

> >

> > --- unnikrishnan palapetty <unni2591

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Guruvayurappan Devotees,

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > >

> > > We are once again getting into this

> controversial

> > > subject. Can we not look at this issue in the

> > > following way? -

> > >

> > > All of us agree that Guruvayurappan is the

> > > Sarveswaran - protector and preserver of the

> > entire

> > > universe.

> > >

> > > It is His desire that some follow teachings in

> the

> > > Gita, some follow teachings in the Bible, and

> some

> > > Quran and so on. Accordingly Hindus follow Gita

> > and

> > > they go to Temples, Christians follow Bible and

> > they

> > > go to Churches, Muslims go to Mosques, and so on

> -

> > > He is the Sarveswaran and these are His

> > directions.

> > >

> > > As ordinary mortals, who are we to question His

> > > directions? Let people practising Hinduism

> > continue

> > > to go to Temples, people practising Christianity

> > > continue to go to Churches, and so on - because

> > > these are His directions. When somebody pray in

> a

> > > Church or a Mosque they are praying to none

> other

> > > than Guruvayurappan but in a form He has decided

> > to

> > > manifest there.

> > >

> > > The controversy about entry to a particular

> place

> > > of worship arises occasionally because at times

> we

> > > forget the fact that He is omnipresent and that

> He

> > > is the protector and preserver of the universe.

> As

> > > devotees, let us not forget this fundamental

> fact

> > > that everything happens the way He desires.

> > > Once we realise this we will be able to keep

> away

> > > controversial subjects and focus on serving His

> > > Lotus Feet.

> > >

> > > Let us pray to our Guruvayurappan that He be

> with

> > > us all the time.

> > >

> > > Hari Om

> > >

> > > Unnikrishnan Palapetty

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > We get into the present controversy when we

> start

> > > questioning His directions which is not the

> > > objective of this group.

> > > Murali Ambala Kolliyil

> > > <muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Remember the words of Swami Vivekananda, " If I

> > want

> > > I could convert half of the world ... " Why he

> did

> > > not do that because it will not help the

> purpose.

> > > Anyone learns and adopting hinduism is the real

>

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[Guest guest]

Om Namo Narayanaya!!

I fully agree with Mr. Murali. We are waisting so

much energy and time in arguments on such subjects.

Rather, we should concentrate on issues, which can

purify our mind and body through spiritual path. Now,

It is better to keep quiet and follow the system as it

is, as it will keep the purity and sanctity of

Guruvayoor Temple.

 

Regards

rajan kinattinkara

 

 

--- Murali Ambala Kolliyil

<muraliambalakolliyil wrote:

 

> Om namo narayana:

>

> Dear All,

>

> It is surprising this discussion still going.

> Let us stop this by understanding few points as

> given below:.

>

> Sri Mohan nair was quoting:

> Sri Guruvayoorappan has no objection: How do we

> know that Sri Guruvayoorappan has no objection if

> somebody doing something against his wish. For

> example: In my office, In front of me, there are

> two chairs for the visitors. If one of the client

> comes and sit on it before I give permission or

> without respecting, I will keep quiet, but that

> doesn't mean I like his behaviour, it is because of

> I need him. Same way, we understand our Lord always

> there pardon the mistakes of his beloved devotees.

> Show your greatness by obeying rules and regulations

> of the Temple.

>

> Issue of Religion: Sri Vayalar Ravi(MP) has

> married to Smt Merci, a Christian woman. Their son

> got married in Guruvayoor Temple (There are some

> issues after, just ignore that). It is a clear

> example that there is no such restrictions remaining

> in Guruvayoor. There are some christians doing

> " Choronu " for their Children in Guruvayur. But it is

> very secret because some of the churches against it

> and afraid of their action. It will continue as it

> is and it will not affect our belief instead you can

> be proud that they are accepting our belief.

>

> Permission to all: If you change the present set

> up, it will become a tourist spot. This will affect

> the entire set up there. At present, the temple and

> its surroundings keeps purity. When we consider

> this factor, you must think many aspects are

> correlated to it. A hindu maintains the vegetarinism

> atleast when he goes to the temple. He tries to

> keep his surroundings clean and tidy (Exceptions are

> there) and so on. All these will be changed

> suddenly. Moreover, nobody has clear idea about when

> the present system is started. Let us leave this

> matter to Temple authority to consider how and what

> changes they have to make since the decision should

> pass through a " Devapreshnam " .

>

> We can understand the feelings of our group

> members. Each and every member wants to be dear to

> God and trying to do their best for our Bhagawan.

> There are lots of conversions going on and it is not

> started today or yesterday. Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa had faced such a crucial point at the

> end of eighteenth Century from Christians and

> Islam. He constructed a defending wall by his hard

> belief. He delegated Naren (Swami Vivekananda) to

> teach the people messages of God (Bhagawat Gita) and

> First time in the history of hinduism spread out of

> India. He was the first and last person from India

> who had made tremendous speech in the Chicago

> Religios Parliament. We must adopt his way of

> teaching. Hindus are being confused very easily

> because of their ignorance in the vedas and puranas.

> There is no " Sandhyanamam " in most of the houses now

> a days. There is no proper guidance to the children

> and youth in our " Ism " . There are many

> organisations who are doing best for the

> communicty in the country and outside country, but

> their efforts limited in a small percentage.

>

> Talk about GITA, talk about our Bhagawan Sri

> Krishna where ever you can. Spread Gita every

> where. Let everyone to understand the messages of

> Bhagawan Shri Krishna. You will be very dear to Sri

> Guruvayoorappan.

>

> Krishna ....Guruvayoorappa..

>

> Murali.

>

>

>

>

> Abhilash Nair <abhilash_ramachandran

> wrote:

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

>

> Pls see the 3rd photo from top, in my blog.

> http://temples18.blogspot.com/

>

> Do you see the twins there. These brahmacaris are

> the

> head-pujaris of the most beutiful RadhaKrishna

> deities

> in the world. They are the most down to earth and

> amongst the most devout Krishna Bhaktas in this

> world.

> Their days and nights are spend in thinking " how to

> serve Radha Krishna better? " and acting in the most

> befitting manner. They are a great example and great

> inspiration, even for indians. Major portion of

> their

> life is spend decorating the deities, cooking for

> the

> deities, stitching newer and better clothes for

> Radha

> Krishna, performing arati for Radha Krishna, reading

> Gita and Bhagavatam.... still so simple and a

> feeling

> very humble and unqualified.

>

> To see a glimpse of their bhakti click below:

>

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/101/2110/1600/P2280211.jpg

>

> Now, you may decide for yourself, if bhakti if

> bhakti

> of Krishna needs to be kept in a shelf or needs to

> be

> distributed.

>

> If you want to know what the Guruvayoorappan wants,

> just read the gita:

>

> 18.67

> This confidential knowledge may not be explained to

> those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in

> devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.

> 18.68

> For one who explains the supreme secret to the

> devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at

> the

> end he will come back to Me.

> 18.69

> There is no servant in this world more dear to Me

> than

> he, nor will there ever be one more dear.

>

> " Devotee/bhakta " does not mean born-Hindus. That has

> been already proved.

>

> All said and done, don't forget the metal detector

> and

> armed guards. Our philosophy is the highest, but our

> feet are still grounded in reality.

>

> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

> Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

> Hare Rama Hare Rama

> Rama Rama Hare Hare

> Abhilash

>

> --- U4 <unni_u4 wrote:

>

> > Hello,

> > I think there i sno need to allow all people to be

> > allowed in.

> > Only those and those who are devotees of

> > GURUVAYOORAPPAN can enter into the temple. As

> temple

> > is a place where all go to have nice and peaceful

> > time.

> > If a non belevier can go into he will entering

> into

> > the temple but still he donot follow the Krishna?

> > How

> > can the be there is only one and only one Lord.

> >

> > He will even hesitate to utter Lords name insdie

> > temple even.

> >

> > Even if any NON hindu enter into soon he will be

> > eliminated by his own poeple.

> > So let it continue and there is no need to be

> > allowed.

> > OM Namaho NARAYANA.

> > Unni

> >

> > --- GOPI NAIR <gopi_nair37 wrote:

> >

> > > So called minority appeasement... I appreciate

> > > Abhi's wish. I wish too... As we all know

> > > Unnikkannan, Sri Gurupavanapuresan he is the

> > > protector and preserver of all universe.

> > >

> > > Let all the beings understand the truth and

> > leave

> > > all false man made books and find the truth from

> > our

> > > Parthasarathi's own words from the great

> " Bhagawat

> > > Geetha " understand it well and bring the harmony

>

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