Virodha Bhakthy.

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Normally we used to hv bhakthy only in a positive aspect thereby making the Lord our soul refuge and surrender unto Him without reservations and spend our time in constant rememberance.But in this mysterious world we find that there is opposition to every aspect.eg.positive and negative,day and night,love and anger etc.So when we can hv loving bhakthy there also can be virodha bhakthy which is also another type of bhakthy.We consider that all bhakthy devotion must be characterised by love and consider hatred as the exact opposite of bhakthy.The virodha bhakthy can also be thought as Black whiteness.Yet it is a fact that devotion springs thru hatred also.That is why the term vyree bhakthy is in common use.The cases of Ravana,Kamsa,Hiranyakasipu are cited as instances of virodhi bhakthy.Several of us consider these cases as instances of violent poisonous hatred getting into a previously healthy loving

system,which might hv naturally killed out all Love and Bhakthy except for the special Grace of God that checks the effects of the poison by strengthening the reserve power or power of revival of health that every organism possesses within certain limits. The hatred is no doubt poisonous but by divine grace the old Love is not destroyed but only temporarily clouded or muddled.Many consider hatred as negative electricity applied to one side of the jivas producing by induction the opposite of it viz.positive electricity or Love in another side.In Srimad Bhagavata VII Skanda,Chapter I verses 25 to 30 the main point covered is let the mind be covered by hatred or devotion or fear or friendship or even by lust,but somehow it must be directed towards Godward so as not to be diverted to other things.The worm shut up in the bee's closed

earthern cell constantly thinks of the bee in terror and thereby turns into a bee.Persons who hv by hatred of the Lord Krishna who masquerades as a man purified themselves of Sin and attain Him.Many hv reached His state by fixing their minds on Him thru lust,hatred,fear,friendship, or devotion and thus getting rid of their sins.By lust the gopis reached Him,by fear Kamsa,by hatred Sisupala,by kinship the Vrishnis and others by friendship and devotion.(the above are only synopsis of the verses 25 to 30). It shuld be noted that the term virodhi bhakthy is not used in any of these passages.What is used is vyra anubhanda or vyra yoga and this is contrasted with bhakthy.Evidently it must hv been perceived that it is absurd to call hatred by the name bhakthy.If even the name hatred is so repulsive,one may ask how does hatred serve take the soul to

God.The answer is that it does not matter for what reason the mind is turned to God.Let it turn to God in violent anger or hatred or out of lust,it will be still in contact with God.And God is such a wonderful dynamo that it will absorb into itself all sorts of objects and convert them into itself.The hatred serves the purpose of intense concentration-a process that goes on intensifying itself and preventing any forgetfulness of God. The stories of Hiranya and Kamsa are classic examples.It is forgetting the God that forms the real danger.That is apathy,a barren state.If the mind is fired with hatred or anger with God,it is fascinated by God and has soon to surrender itself without itself knowing.Its fangs of hatred are soon steeped in Divine Love and become Love.It is like tender gallnut steeped in syrup or in like juice,which retains its form but loses its taste entirely.The old flavour if

slightly retained, gives a variety and piquancy to the taste and increases its utility or attraction. So the secret of this so called vyree bhakthy is its being directed towards God with persistent and great violence carried to the point of fascination and surrender. Now the natural question arises is there any difference noticeable between this sort of hatred or irreverence for God and the ordinary forms of ungodliness or scoffing and disregard for God?The latter tend to degrade and may go on degrading the scoffer or sinner for a very long time.But the former on account of extra-ordinary and ever increasing violence must soon come to a stop.It is like a locust rushing at and getting destroyed in the flame.The hating ego rushes likewise into the dvine flame and is burnt up.It becomes part of the flame.The ego is purified of its hatred and becomes

part and parcel of God.That is the real distinction between ordiary hatred and what is termed Virodha bhakthy.Let one angrily ask God why He takes a delight in tantalising a poor creature and when He proposes to put an end to the intolerable situation one is placed.If one has a metaphysical or introverted turn of mind,let him very earnestly examine what it is that he terms GOD ,what his Self and what other selves or things.Even this observation and analysis must be conducted with great persistence and earnestness and not in a half hearted way.Then sooner or later (according to the degree of his earnestness and his poorva punya,it may be}, he will perceive that there is only one substratum or essence underlying these three entities God, Self and Universe which may be termed Parameswar,Paramatman or Parabrahman.To attain this one must seek the company of Great souls especially when one's

bhakthy has been upset.Satsang also gives relief when oher measures are not available or found useless.So whatever way God is remembered if the same is done without reservations the Reality dawns. Hare Krishna, agraman.

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!! Sri Rama Jayam !!

 

Pranams Shri Ganapathy Raman,

 

I am trying to admire the your thoughts but there are some points

where I hold a different opinion. For instance, the way of attaining

Krishna by Gopis has been described through 'lust' .. hard to

believe, though it may appear happening superficially by our ordinary

vision. We should always remember that 'Gopis' stands as the

jagadgurus of bhakti & never can lust be a footprint of bhakti. I

have heard from saints that when Krishna started playing his flute

prior to 'Rasa - leela', the gopis who were engaged in different

activities (like cooking food, feeding babies, milking, dressing up

for their husbands) were totally driven by the flute-call & march

towards the tree under which Krishna usually spent his time. Krishna

advised these gopis to go back & perform their loka-dharma. But the

answers from these ladies turned out to be the summary & substance

of 'Ananya bhakti'. " We as a part & parcel of your supreme energy are

surrendered to no other lordship than yours my beloved Krishna " .

Perhaps here Krishna tried to test these ladies in the most

intensified way where he assures them of the bad name & related

consequences for the entire life there after. But to the surprise of

all others, these gopis mastered the situation & became the most

eligible personalities to have an eternal association of Krishna. The

gopis were none other than the great sages of Dandakaranya who were

charmed by the magnificient grace of Rama & were blessed to have

oneness with the supreme in the next age of Dwapara.

 

Hence, defining the love of the gopis as mere lust would be a big

mistake & sin.

 

Thanks ..

 

Hare Krishna

Hare Rama

 

 

 

guruvayur , GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62

wrote:

>

> Normally we used to hv bhakthy only in a positive aspect thereby

making the Lord our soul refuge and surrender unto Him without

reservations and spend our

> time in constant rememberance.But in this mysterious world we

find that there is opposition to every aspect.eg.positive and

negative,day and night,love and anger etc.So when we can hv loving

bhakthy there also can be virodha bhakthy

> which is also another type of bhakthy.We consider that all

bhakthy devotion must be characterised by love and consider hatred as

the exact opposite of bhakthy.The virodha bhakthy can also be thought

as Black whiteness.Yet it

> is a fact that devotion springs thru hatred also.That is why the

term vyree bhakthy is in common use.The cases of

Ravana,Kamsa,Hiranyakasipu are cited

> as instances of virodhi bhakthy.Several of us consider these

cases as instances of violent poisonous hatred getting into a

previously healthy loving system,which

> might hv naturally killed out all Love and Bhakthy except for the

special Grace of

> God that checks the effects of the poison by strengthening the

reserve power

> or power of revival of health that every organism possesses

within certain limits.

>

> The hatred is no doubt poisonous but by divine grace the old Love

is not destroyed but only temporarily clouded or muddled.Many

consider hatred as

> negative electricity applied to one side of the jivas producing

by induction the

> opposite of it viz.positive electricity or Love in another

side.In Srimad Bhagavata

> VII Skanda,Chapter I verses 25 to 30 the main point covered is

let the mind be

> covered by hatred or devotion or fear or friendship or even by

lust,but somehow it

> must be directed towards Godward so as not to be diverted to

other things.The

> worm shut up in the bee's closed earthern cell constantly thinks

of the bee in

> terror and thereby turns into a bee.Persons who hv by hatred of

the Lord Krishna

> who masquerades as a man purified themselves of Sin and attain

Him.Many hv

> reached His state by fixing their minds on Him thru

lust,hatred,fear,friendship,

> or devotion and thus getting rid of their sins.By lust the gopis

reached Him,by

> fear Kamsa,by hatred Sisupala,by kinship the Vrishnis and others

by friendship and devotion.(the above are only synopsis of the verses

25 to 30).

>

> It shuld be noted that the term virodhi bhakthy is not used in

any of these passages.What is used is vyra anubhanda or vyra yoga and

this is contrasted

> with bhakthy.Evidently it must hv been perceived that it is

absurd to call hatred

> by the name bhakthy.If even the name hatred is so repulsive,one

may ask how

> does hatred serve take the soul to God.The answer is that it does

not matter

> for what reason the mind is turned to God.Let it turn to God in

violent anger

> or hatred or out of lust,it will be still in contact with God.And

God is such a wonderful dynamo that it will absorb into itself all

sorts of objects and convert them into itself.The hatred serves the

purpose of intense concentration-a process that goes on intensifying

itself and preventing any forgetfulness of God.

> The stories of Hiranya and Kamsa are classic examples.It is

forgetting the God that forms the real danger.That is apathy,a barren

state.If the mind is fired

> with hatred or anger with God,it is fascinated by God and has

soon to surrender itself without itself knowing.Its fangs of hatred

are soon steeped in Divine Love

> and become Love.It is like tender gallnut steeped in syrup or in

like juice,which

> retains its form but loses its taste entirely.The old flavour if

slightly retained,

> gives a variety and piquancy to the taste and increases its

utility or attraction.

> So the secret of this so called vyree bhakthy is its being

directed towards God

> with persistent and great violence carried to the point of

fascination and surrender.

>

> Now the natural question arises is there any difference

noticeable between this

> sort of hatred or irreverence for God and the ordinary forms of

ungodliness or

> scoffing and disregard for God?The latter tend to degrade and may

go on degrading the scoffer or sinner for a very long time.But the

former on account of

> extra-ordinary and ever increasing violence must soon come to a

stop.It is like

> a locust rushing at and getting destroyed in the flame.The hating

ego rushes

> likewise into the dvine flame and is burnt up.It becomes part of

the flame.The ego is purified of its hatred and becomes part and

parcel of God.That is the real distinction between ordiary hatred and

what is termed Virodha bhakthy.Let one

> angrily ask God why He takes a delight in tantalising a poor

creature and when He proposes to put an end to the intolerable

situation one is placed.If one has

> a metaphysical or introverted turn of mind,let him very earnestly

examine what it

> is that he terms GOD ,what his Self and what other selves or

things.Even this

> observation and analysis must be conducted with great persistence

and

> earnestness and not in a half hearted way.Then sooner or later

(according to the degree of his earnestness and his poorva punya,it

may be}, he will perceive that

> there is only one substratum or essence underlying these three

entities God,

> Self and Universe which may be termed Parameswar,Paramatman or

Parabrahman.To attain this one must seek the company of Great souls

especially when one's bhakthy has been upset.Satsang also gives

relief when

> oher measures are not available or found useless.So whatever way

God is

> remembered if the same is done without reservations the Reality

dawns.

>

> Hare Krishna,

>

> agraman.

>

>

>

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