Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Thank you for your reply Vijaya ji. I agree with you fully and we can understand this from the fact that the Vraja vasis (residents of Vrindavan) were simple people whose only goal was to love Krishna. They were not concerned whether Krishna is The Supreme Personality of Godhead or not! Shree Guruvayurappa Sharanam! ~Krishnadasa (not Rajeev) :-) guruvayur , Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 wrote: > > I think that your explanation is wonderful There is a lot of joy in approaching such things with your heart instead of the head.. > > krishnadasa77 <krishnadasa77 wrote: Vijayaji - Shree Guruvayurappa Sharanam! > > I would like to humbly state that I do not want to bring my material > imagination into picture while discussing Krishna's topics. > > So I would like to point out the Shastric basis behind my statement > of Aravindam getting attracted to Padaaravindam of Krishna will be > that in the Spiritual world each and every thing is full of Sat > (Truth), Chit(Eternality) and Ananda (Bliss) and therefore everyone > is constantly associating with Krishna (who is, in fact, the source > of all that Ananda (Aham Sarvasya Prabhavah - BG 10.8 - > http://www.asitis.com/10/8.html ) in multifarious ways and trying to > serve Krishna. > > Similarly the Aravindam in the hands of Krishna is also purely > spiritual one and just like it is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: > > nadyas tada tad upadharya mukunda-gitam > avarta-laksita-manobhava-bhagna-vegah > alingana-sthagitam urmi-bhujair murarer > grhnanti pada-yugalam kamalopaharah > (SB 10.21.15) > > [ " Some other gopi said: O sakhi! Why do you speak of the devls, cows > and birds? They are all animate living beings. Have you not seen the > inanimate rivers? By the whirlpools that are seen in them, it is > understood that within their hearts surges an intense desire to meet > with Syamasundara. The flow of the rivers has been stopped by this > intense emotional agitation. They have also heard the > sound of our beloved Krishna's flute. Just see! Just see! With the > arms of their waves, they have caught hold of His lotus feet and are > presenting offerings of lotus flowers. They are embracing His lotus > feet just as if they were offering their hearts to Him. " ] > > Therefore the so-called inanimate 'Aravindam' is eternally attracted > to the lotus feet (Padaaravindam) of Krishna and it sometimes extends > it's stalk to be near the lotus feet of Krishna. > > Apologies to the wonderful devotees here and to you Vijaya Ji if I > have said something wrong. > > ~Krishnadasa. > > guruvayur , vijayav47 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > -that is a wonderful and sweet imagination !!!!!!!!!the aravindam > in > > guruvayoorappan's hand wants to taste the nectar of his > padaravindam-- > > this is as sweet as the nectar !!!!!thank you very much > > -- In guruvayur , " krishnadasa77 " <krishnadasa77@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopalakrishnaji, > > > > > > Is'nt it that Maha Vishnu is Padmanaabha (Lotus coming from His > > > navel) and at the same time Padmahasta (Having Lotus flower in > His > > > hands). > > > > > > As it is stated: > > > > > > Shankhum Chakram Gada Pankajam Idivilasam > > > Naalu Trikaigaluude Sankiirna Shyama Varnam > > > Harivapulamaram Puraye Mangalam Va > > > > > > (Don't know whether I have pronounced this correctly & what is > the > > > source of this. Apologies!) > > > > > > When Shree Maha Vishnu is lying down in the ocean of Kshirasagara > > > (Milk ocean) He is lying down on the Sheshanaga (Ananta) and from > > His > > > nabham the Padma is coming and on the Padma Lord Brahma is > sitting. > > > As it is stated: > > > > > > Shantakaram Bhujagasayanam Padmanabham Suresham > > > Vishwakaram Gaganasadrusam Meghavarnam Shubhangam > > > Lakshmikantam Kamalanayanam Yogibhir Dhyanagamyam. > > > Vande Vishnum Bhavabhayaharam Sarvalokykanatham. > > > > > > Please do inform what you think of the answer which I tried to > give > > > in the thread > guruvayur/message/3841: > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Now coming to your question (which is indeed a very nice one!)- - > The > > > only thing which I can think of is that the Lotus (Aravindam) > > > sometimes wants to taste being near the Lotus Feet > (Padaaravindam) > > of > > > Krishna and hence sometimes it extends it's stem to get that > > > nectarean bliss of being near Krishna's lotus feet. > > > > > > The scholars in this group will be able to answer it better.... > > > > > > ...Hanta Bhaagyam Janaanaam!!! > > > --- > > > > > > Coming to think of it now -- I think it does not really require > > > scholarly abilities but lots of devotion and love for Krishna in > > > order to understand this???? > > > > > > Please forgive any offenses which I might have made while > replying > > to > > > you. Thank you! > > > > > > ~Krishnadasa. > > > > > > > > > guruvayur , " K.V Gopalakrishna " > > > <gopalakrishna.kv@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Radhe krishna! > > > > > > > > The point which Vijayaji has asked is different. she has > > > particilar > > > > doubt about the orientation of the stalk of the Padma, which, > in > > > some > > > > pictures, is shown coming right down to the foot and going up > to > > > His > > > > hand, and in some, where the Padma is shown straight in His > hands > > > > without showing the stalk. > > > > > > > > I personally feel it is all quite imaginary picturisation. As > > > everyone > > > > knows, the stalk of the Padma has its origin at the navel of > the > > > Lord. > > > > When He is wearing the Peethambara which covers His navel also, > > the > > > > Padma cannot be shown with the lotus stalk projecting out of > the > > > navel, > > > > which becomes awkward. So it is the imagination of the person > > who > > > has > > > > drawn the picture, that the lotus stalk comes down along the > leg, > > > within > > > > the Peethambara and then is shown as again coming upward for > the > > > Lord's > > > > hand to hold it. After all, who has seen really how it is > > > oriented.? > > > > It is all each person's imagination. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > KVG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna Prasad wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hari OM! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijayaji, > > > > > > > > > > This I heard it from a Satsang, Please other members can > > > elaborate on > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Guruvayurappan is also known as Unni Krishnan, represents > > > Sattvaguna > > > > > and is the > > > > > centripetal force as it were responsible for sustenance, > > > protection and > > > > > maintenance of the created Universe. Another name of > > > Guruvayurappan is > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > Krishna is always described as Nialamegahasyana, of a dark > blue > > > hue like > > > > > than of the rain-bearing cloud.The icon of Guruvayurappan has > > one > > > face > > > > > and four > > > > > arms each one holding Sankha (conch), Chakra (discus), Gada > > > (mace), > > > > > Padma (lotus) and wears a necklace with the famous gem > Kaustubha > > > > > dangling on the lock of hair Srivatsa, on the left chest. He > > also > > > > > wears a garland (of gems or fragrant flowers) Vaijayanti by > > name. > > > > > > > > > > The Sankha represents the five elements like the Space, Air, > > > Water earth, > > > > > etc; > > > > > > > > > > chakra stands for the cosmic mind, > > > > > > > > > > Gada indicates the cosmic intellect > > > > > > > > > > and the Padma points to the evolving world. > > > > > > > > > > The curl of hair, Srivatsa, represents all objects of > enjoyment, > > > > > the products of nature. > > > > > > > > > > The gem Kaustubha, resting on it, stands for the enjoyer. > > > > > > > > > > The garland Vaijayanti is symbolical of the subtle elements. > > > > > > > > > > with Love & OM! > > > > > > > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/19/06, *vijayav47* <no_reply > > > > > <no_reply >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear bhakthas, i am feeling very lucky to be in this > group. > > > as a > > > > > house > > > > > wife with many commitments i am not able to participate > > fully > > > in the > > > > > group communications. there are so many learned devotees > in > > > this > > > > > group. > > > > > hence i have a simple doubt for clarification. any of the > > > learned > > > > > devotees please help me in this. we see lord > > guruvayoorappan > > > photos > > > > > with lotus in hand. in some he has a long stem of the > lotus > > > which > > > > > reaches to his right foot. and in some pictures the lotus > is > > > > > without a > > > > > stem. is there any significance in the stem coming upto > the > > > lord's > > > > > foot?- i will be extremely thank ful if any one can throw > > > light in my > > > > > simple -may be silly- doubt. with lots and lots of > pranams > > in > > > > > guruvayoorappan's feet and also his devotees feet. > > > > > ENTE PONNU GURUVAYOORAPPA > > > > > KAATHU RAKSHIKKANE > > > > > thanking for the wonderful NAVANEETHAM issues. > > > > > vijaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > dotcompals: www.dotcompals.in <http://www.dotcompals.in> > > > > > .Org domain Names for just 2.5 USD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > > > > > > Dare to give up the comfort of the 'known' and venture into > > > the 'unknown' > > > > > The more we know, the more we will come to realize what we do > > not > > > know. > > > > > If we want to achieve our true potential and live life to the > > > fullest. > > > > > > > > > > As Poojya Gurudev said it, > > > > > > > > > > " Open your eyes. Burst your shell. > > > > > Spread your wings and fly! " > > > > > > > > > > Swami Chinmayananda > > > > > Hate not the sinner - hate the sin; and always hate the sin > > even > > > with > > > > > an excess of hatred. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May god bless you, > > Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Dear Sri Krishnadasa, Radhe Krishna! Pardon me for the confusion in names. I thought Rajeev also addresses himself as Krishnadasa or Krishnadaya. All Krishna-bhaktas appear to me as one, because, I see only the "Krishna " part of them. I happened to know Rajeev a bit closer, as he had written to me that he is the grand-nephew of one of my school-mates from Mavelikara. BTW, where are you from originally, and where are you now stationed? I would like to know more about my "Krishna"s !. I too have a great regard for Rajeev's knowledge of Bhagavatam and connected matters. Probably you too might be equally erudite or even more erudite. It is said that deep waters run still! Love KVG krishnadasa77 wrote: Dear KVG - Shree Guruvayurappa Sharanam! Thank you for your mail. But I would like to state that I am not Rajeev but only Krishnadasa. Rajeevji is a different person and I highly appreciate him for his service. I am not as scholarly as Rajeevji and would like to thank you and all the devotees of the Lord. ~Krishnadasa (but not Rajeev) :-) ---- Re: [Guruvayur/Guruvayoor] Re: lotus and stem Dear Rajeev and other friends, Radhe Krishna! Our friend and Krishnadasa Rajeev's sweet explanation is very much appealing to the heart. Bhaktas will , no doubt, like it. And I too. But here are two lotuses in reference. One is the "Nabhee-kamalam" of the Lord, which emanates from His Nabhee- randhram (aperture at the navel), has a very very long stalk and supports the whole Universe. Brahma in the form of Hiranya-garbha is imagined to be seated on this lotus. It is the same lotus which Brahma divided and made into 14 worlds. The region Brahma is seated, represents Satya-loka. The other lotus which is one of the four ensigns of the Lord which He bears in the lower right hand represents one of the subtle essence of one of the elements of creation, the "Antah-karanam" or the "Inner Conscience" in the Cosmic terminology. Regards KVG. vijayav47 wrote: -that is a wonderful and sweet imagination !!!!!!!!!the aravindam in guruvayoorappan's hand wants to taste the nectar of his padaravindam- - this is as sweet as the nectar !!!!!thank you very much -- In guruvayur , "krishnadasa77" <krishnadasa77 wrote: > > Dear Gopalakrishnaji, > > Is'nt it that Maha Vishnu is Padmanaabha (Lotus coming from His > navel) and at the same time Padmahasta (Having Lotus flower in His > hands). > > As it is stated: > > Shankhum Chakram Gada Pankajam Idivilasam > Naalu Trikaigaluude Sankiirna Shyama Varnam > Harivapulamaram Puraye Mangalam Va > > (Don't know whether I have pronounced this correctly & what is the > source of this. Apologies!) > > When Shree Maha Vishnu is lying down in the ocean of Kshirasagara > (Milk ocean) He is lying down on the Sheshanaga (Ananta) and from His > nabham the Padma is coming and on the Padma Lord Brahma is sitting. > As it is stated: > > Shantakaram Bhujagasayanam Padmanabham Suresham > Vishwakaram Gaganasadrusam Meghavarnam Shubhangam > Lakshmikantam Kamalanayanam Yogibhir Dhyanagamyam. > Vande Vishnum Bhavabhayaharam Sarvalokykanatham. > > Please do inform what you think of the answer which I tried to give > in the thread guruvayur/message/3841: > > --- > > Now coming to your question (which is indeed a very nice one!)-- The > only thing which I can think of is that the Lotus (Aravindam) > sometimes wants to taste being near the Lotus Feet (Padaaravindam) of > Krishna and hence sometimes it extends it's stem to get that > nectarean bliss of being near Krishna's lotus feet. > > The scholars in this group will be able to answer it better.... > > ...Hanta Bhaagyam Janaanaam!!! > --- > > Coming to think of it now -- I think it does not really require > scholarly abilities but lots of devotion and love for Krishna in > order to understand this???? > > Please forgive any offenses which I might have made while replying to > you. Thank you! > > ~Krishnadasa. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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