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Few cents from my side based on Krishna's statement in Bhagavad-Gita where Krishna says (BG 10:25): ************ avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam param bhavam ajananto mama bhuta-mahesvaram SYNONYMS avajananti--deride; mam--Me; mudhah--foolish men; manusim--in human form; tanum--body; asritam--assuming; param--transcendental; bhavam--nature; ajanantah--not knowing; mama--Mine; bhuta--everything that be; maha-isvaram--the supreme proprietor. TRANSLATION Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.

They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be. *************** Also Krishna says (BG 18:54) that after a person is in the state of full self realisation (Brahma Bhuta), s/he starts engaging in Krishna's Supreme (Param) devotional service (Mad Bhakti) as: *********** brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param SYNONYMS brahma-bhutah--being one with the Absolute; prasanna-atma--fully joyful; na--never; socati--laments; na--never; kanksati--desires; samah--equally disposed; sarvesu--all; bhutesu--living entities;

mat-bhaktim--My devotional service; labhate--gains; param--transcendental. TRANSLATION One who is thus transcendentally situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. He never laments nor desires to have anything; he is equally disposed to every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me. ************* Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama! ~Krishnadasa. GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Undoubtedly we are accepting that Sri Krishna is a poorna avatar to redeem the mankind. The process or dynamics of the manifestation of the avatar is such a fascinating phenomenon and there can't be two opinions. The Divine taking a human birth and residing among people as one of them is a supreme secret of the special manifestation of the Consciousness. While talking to Arjuna about His own manifested state ,Lord Krishna ,describes it as rajavidya rajaguhyam {Chap.9 verse 2} meaning it is a royal science and royal secret..The public road is called raja-patha.The yoga common to all religions is called raja-yoga.Similarly Brahma-jnana which is the birth right of all is called raja-vidya.All are entitled to it and they are wending their way to it knowingly or unknowingly.If so, can

all get at Brahma-jnana as unfailingly as all are able to procure food for the body? No,the impure in heart cannot hv access to it. The purity of the mind is the criterion for it. They alone shall inherit this Divine Treasure who are perfectly pure at heart. But those who hv not yet refined the mind,those that are given to cavil and such defects will not be able to grasp it even. To them it is the soverign secret. This science is a sealed book to them.As water cleanse the body, 'Brahma jnana' cleanses the 'Jivatman' of his fallen state and reinstates him in Brahmanhood. The knower of Brahman becomes the Brahman. Brahma-vidya is therefore the supreme purifier.Regarding the manifestation of man,the eternal avatar says "prakritim svam avastabhya visrjami"(I activate my own prakriti and send forth the beings who under the control of Prakriti are helpless}.The animating of Prakriti takes place on a miniature scale at all levels of our existence.

Waking up in the morning all beings writhe, wriggle, and twist their limbs in order to animate them. We animate the field by ploughing it. The beast is animated with a whip. In all these acts spirit is infused into matter. At the beginning of kalpa, prakriti comes from the unmanifest to the manifest state being animated by the Purusha. Beings then helplessly and spontaneously came into existence even as we helplessly wake up from sleep.That is the helplessness of the beings. Instead, when He Himself takes the human form, He says in {chapt.4 verse 6)"prakritim svam adhisthaya sambhavami"(I subjugate My own Prakriti and come into being}.These two words 'avastabhya' and 'adhisthaya' make all the difference between man,the eternal avatar. Whereas the eternal avatar operates on its own free will while man is helplessly entangled in the nature of his manifestations. The personalised Consciousness in him allows itself to be dominated by nature. On

the other hand the avatar takes possession of the nature and exerts a divine domination over it.It is the common belief that we are subjected to the theory of Karma but the same does not apply to the avatar. The bad work done by bad people and the good work done by the good people are both causes for an avatar. The Lord takes a human form for the karma done by others. So in effect the poorna avatar took the form to relieve the mankind much of its karmic effects though the same do not affect the avatar. So incarnation of the Divine has to be a dual phenomenon, exhibiting both divine and human nature. It manifests with all apparent outward limitations, using the human form as a vehicle to carry out divine works. But it also serves one of the objectives of the ncarnation,that is to show man how with all his limitations he can ascend to Divinity.An avatar appears to be a rare phenomenon,an extra ordinary manifestation. Hence it is not surprising that

the human race places such a manifestation in a separate category and adores the same. So no wonder such an avatar ,all feel to be nearer to the heart than the formless God,whom the people are told to worship. So no wonder Sri Krishna captivates the minds of the people not only by His acts and Teachings and even with Form which is always imbibed in the heart of the devotee and worshipped,loved and praised and He too reciprocates the same with His benign Grace and Mercy. In fact He enjoys His creations with all defects and guide them in the right path so that they may after experience to merge in Him. For that He shows so many leelas in His own way which are beyond explanation and guide the ardent devotees to come out of the Maya and try to get themeselves enjoy in perfect Bliss state by getting them to merge in Him though the same may take time but He sees that they never falls if they hv chosen to Know Him depending on the dedication,love,sincerity of the

Bhakthas.For that He has His own plans and it is difficult to unfathom the leelas of the Divine with the limited knowledge of mankind.Hare Krishna,agraman.

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The topic of the avathara has been dicussed threadbare already but what agraman has written is relevant with apt quotations and the subject has been dealt with profundity.GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 wrote: Undoubtedly we are accepting that Sri Krishna is a poorna avatar to redeem the mankind. The process or dynamics of the manifestation of the avatar is such a fascinating phenomenon and there can't be two opinions. The Divine taking a human birth and residing among people as one of them is a supreme secret

of the special manifestation of the Consciousness. While talking to Arjuna about His own manifested state ,Lord Krishna ,describes it as rajavidya rajaguhyam {Chap.9 verse 2} meaning it is a royal science and royal secret..The public road is called raja-patha.The yoga common to all religions is called raja-yoga.Similarly Brahma-jnana which is the birth right of all is called raja-vidya.All are entitled to it and they are wending their way to it knowingly or unknowingly.If so, can all get at Brahma-jnana as unfailingly as all are able to procure food for the body? No,the impure in heart cannot hv access to it. The purity of the mind is the criterion for it. They alone shall inherit this Divine Treasure who are perfectly pure at heart. But those who hv not yet refined the mind,those that are given to cavil and such defects will not be able to grasp it even. To them it is the soverign secret. This science is a sealed book to them.As water

cleanse the body, 'Brahma jnana' cleanses the 'Jivatman' of his fallen state and reinstates him in Brahmanhood. The knower of Brahman becomes the Brahman. Brahma-vidya is therefore the supreme purifier.Regarding the manifestation of man,the eternal avatar says "prakritim svam avastabhya visrjami"(I activate my own prakriti and send forth the beings who under the control of Prakriti are helpless}.The animating of Prakriti takes place on a miniature scale at all levels of our existence. Waking up in the morning all beings writhe, wriggle, and twist their limbs in order to animate them. We animate the field by ploughing it. The beast is animated with a whip. In all these acts spirit is infused into matter. At the beginning of kalpa, prakriti comes from the unmanifest to the manifest state being animated by the Purusha. Beings then helplessly and spontaneously came into existence even as we helplessly wake up from sleep.That is the helplessness

of the beings. Instead, when He Himself takes the human form, He says in {chapt.4 verse 6)"prakritim svam adhisthaya sambhavami"(I subjugate My own Prakriti and come into being}.These two words 'avastabhya' and 'adhisthaya' make all the difference between man,the eternal avatar. Whereas the eternal avatar operates on its own free will while man is helplessly entangled in the nature of his manifestations. The personalised Consciousness in him allows itself to be dominated by nature. On the other hand the avatar takes possession of the nature and exerts a divine domination over it.It is the common belief that we are subjected to the theory of Karma but the same does not apply to the avatar. The bad work done by bad people and the good work done by the good people are both causes for an avatar. The Lord takes a human form for the karma done by others. So in effect the poorna avatar took the form to relieve the mankind much of its karmic effects

though the same do not affect the avatar. So incarnation of the Divine has to be a dual phenomenon, exhibiting both divine and human nature. It manifests with all apparent outward limitations, using the human form as a vehicle to carry out divine works. But it also serves one of the objectives of the ncarnation,that is to show man how with all his limitations he can ascend to Divinity.An avatar appears to be a rare phenomenon,an extra ordinary manifestation. Hence it is not surprising that the human race places such a manifestation in a separate category and adores the same. So no wonder such an avatar ,all feel to be nearer to the heart than the formless God,whom the people are told to worship. So no wonder Sri Krishna captivates the minds of the people not only by His acts and Teachings and even with Form which is always imbibed in the heart of the devotee and worshipped,loved and praised and He too reciprocates the same with His benign Grace and Mercy.

In fact He enjoys His creations with all defects and guide them in the right path so that they may after experience to merge in Him. For that He shows so many leelas in His own way which are beyond explanation and guide the ardent devotees to come out of the Maya and try to get themeselves enjoy in perfect Bliss state by getting them to merge in Him though the same may take time but He sees that they never falls if they hv chosen to Know Him depending on the dedication,love,sincerity of the Bhakthas.For that He has His own plans and it is difficult to unfathom the leelas of the Divine with the limited knowledge of mankind.Hare Krishna,agraman. May god bless you, Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.

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I think we can safely let the topic on avathars rest in peace. It has already been discuused threadbare.Sunil please pay attention to this saroja RamanujamKrishna Dasa <krishnadasa77 wrote: Few cents from my side based on Krishna's statement in Bhagavad-Gita where Krishna says (BG 10:25): ************ avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam param bhavam ajananto mama bhuta-mahesvaram SYNONYMS avajananti--deride; mam--Me; mudhah--foolish men; manusim--in human form; tanum--body; asritam--assuming; param--transcendental; bhavam--nature; ajanantah--not knowing; mama--Mine; bhuta--everything that be; maha-isvaram--the supreme proprietor. TRANSLATION Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be. *************** Also Krishna says (BG 18:54) that after a person is in the state of full self realisation (Brahma Bhuta), s/he starts engaging

in Krishna's Supreme (Param) devotional service (Mad Bhakti) as: *********** brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate param SYNONYMS brahma-bhutah--being one with the Absolute; prasanna-atma--fully joyful; na--never; socati--laments; na--never; kanksati--desires; samah--equally disposed; sarvesu--all; bhutesu--living entities; mat-bhaktim--My devotional service; labhate--gains; param--transcendental. TRANSLATION One who is thus transcendentally

situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. He never laments nor desires to have anything; he is equally disposed to every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me. ************* Shree Krishna Sharanam Mama! ~Krishnadasa. GANAPATHY RAMAN <agraman62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Undoubtedly we are accepting that Sri Krishna is a poorna avatar to redeem the mankind. The process or dynamics of the manifestation of the avatar is such a fascinating phenomenon and there can't be two opinions. The Divine taking a human birth and residing among people as one of them is a supreme secret of the special manifestation of the Consciousness. While talking to Arjuna about His own manifested state ,Lord

Krishna ,describes it as rajavidya rajaguhyam {Chap.9 verse 2} meaning it is a royal science and royal secret..The public road is called raja-patha.The yoga common to all religions is called raja-yoga.Similarly Brahma-jnana which is the birth right of all is called raja-vidya.All are entitled to it and they are wending their way to it knowingly or unknowingly.If so, can all get at Brahma-jnana as unfailingly as all are able to procure food for the body? No,the impure in heart cannot hv access to it. The purity of the mind is the criterion for it. They alone shall inherit this Divine Treasure who are perfectly pure at heart. But those who hv not yet refined the mind,those that are given to cavil and such defects will not be able to grasp it even. To them it is the soverign secret. This science is a sealed book to them.As water cleanse the body, 'Brahma jnana' cleanses the 'Jivatman' of his fallen state and reinstates him in Brahmanhood. The knower of

Brahman becomes the Brahman. Brahma-vidya is therefore the supreme purifier.Regarding the manifestation of man,the eternal avatar says "prakritim svam avastabhya visrjami"(I activate my own prakriti and send forth the beings who under the control of Prakriti are helpless}.The animating of Prakriti takes place on a miniature scale at all levels of our existence. Waking up in the morning all beings writhe, wriggle, and twist their limbs in order to animate them. We animate the field by ploughing it. The beast is animated with a whip. In all these acts spirit is infused into matter. At the beginning of kalpa, prakriti comes from the unmanifest to the manifest state being animated by the Purusha. Beings then helplessly and spontaneously came into existence even as we helplessly wake up from sleep.That is the helplessness of the beings. Instead, when He Himself takes the human form, He says in {chapt.4 verse 6)"prakritim svam

adhisthaya sambhavami"(I subjugate My own Prakriti and come into being}.These two words 'avastabhya' and 'adhisthaya' make all the difference between man,the eternal avatar. Whereas the eternal avatar operates on its own free will while man is helplessly entangled in the nature of his manifestations. The personalised Consciousness in him allows itself to be dominated by nature. On the other hand the avatar takes possession of the nature and exerts a divine domination over it.It is the common belief that we are subjected to the theory of Karma but the same does not apply to the avatar. The bad work done by bad people and the good work done by the good people are both causes for an avatar. The Lord takes a human form for the karma done by others. So in effect the poorna avatar took the form to relieve the mankind much of its karmic effects though the same do not affect the avatar. So incarnation of the Divine has to be a dual phenomenon,

exhibiting both divine and human nature. It manifests with all apparent outward limitations, using the human form as a vehicle to carry out divine works. But it also serves one of the objectives of the ncarnation,that is to show man how with all his limitations he can ascend to Divinity.An avatar appears to be a rare phenomenon,an extra ordinary manifestation. Hence it is not surprising that the human race places such a manifestation in a separate category and adores the same. So no wonder such an avatar ,all feel to be nearer to the heart than the formless God,whom the people are told to worship. So no wonder Sri Krishna captivates the minds of the people not only by His acts and Teachings and even with Form which is always imbibed in the heart of the devotee and worshipped,loved and praised and He too reciprocates the same with His benign Grace and Mercy. In fact He enjoys His creations with all defects and guide them in the right path so that they may

after experience to merge in Him. For that He shows so many leelas in His own way which are beyond explanation and guide the ardent devotees to come out of the Maya and try to get themeselves enjoy in perfect Bliss state by getting them to merge in Him though the same may take time but He sees that they never falls if they hv chosen to Know Him depending on the dedication,love,sincerity of the Bhakthas.For that He has His own plans and it is difficult to unfathom the leelas of the Divine with the limited knowledge of mankind.Hare Krishna,agraman. Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates. May god bless you, Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.

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